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dozu
09-15-2009, 09:32 AM
the stupidity of the mass fans.

If you follow sports for just a few years, you notice a phenomena.

Fans always over-react to the win/loss results. During the American football season, if the team wins 20-19 on Sunday, the whole week will hear fans pounding their chest and counting the teams playoff/super bowl scenarios... but if the team loses 19-20, the tones, you can imagine, are completely opposite. topics will include coaches/players inability to execute, free agent possibilities, quarter back contraversies and so on.

While in reality, there are lots of randomness in sports. Take football for example, a fumbled ball bounces randomly on the ground and call fall into anybody's laps. The field goal kick may just catch a gust and miss the upright by an inch.

Now look at this board - we have the same phenomena going on here. Player wins, all is dandy, GOAT talks, future number 1's, winning the next calendar slams, winning 10 more slams by the end of career and so on. Player loses, all is gloomy, retirement talks, loss excuses, question on motivations, technical/ tactical issues, talks of switching to 2hbh.

while in reality, a pass shot (including that one yesterday) could have caught a gust and just made or miss the sideline by 0.1mm, in the modern game when players are going for the lines so much, there are numerous occassions that a match can swing either way.

A lot of the results we see are indeed due to the butterfly effects and randomness in sports is commonplace. So stop being one of the lemmings, one of the mass, one of the sheeple.... Use thy brain, observe, and strive for sound conclusions.... it will do your mind good.

Franz
09-15-2009, 09:39 AM
ok .

Kostas
09-15-2009, 09:46 AM
First of all...anyone who watches football knows the score is never 20-19...c'mon...

Also if there's no point in discussion sports (tennis specifically) wtf are you doing here?

David L
09-15-2009, 09:50 AM
the stupidity of the mass fans.

If you follow sports for just a few years, you notice a phenomena.

Fans always over-react to the win/loss results. During the American football season, if the team wins 20-19 on Sunday, the whole week will hear fans pounding their chest and counting the teams playoff/super bowl scenarios... but if the team loses 19-20, the tones, you can imagine, are completely opposite. topics will include coaches/players inability to execute, free agent possibilities, quarter back contraversies and so on.

While in reality, there are lots of randomness in sports. Take football for example, a fumbled ball bounces randomly on the ground and call fall into anybody's laps. The field goal kick may just catch a gust and miss the upright by an inch.

Now look at this board - we have the same phenomena going on here. Player wins, all is dandy, GOAT talks, future number 1's, winning the next calendar slams, winning 10 more slams by the end of career and so on. Player loses, all is gloomy, retirement talks, loss excuses, question on motivations, technical/ tactical issues, talks of switching to 2hbh.

while in reality, a pass shot (including that one yesterday) could have caught a gust and just made or miss the sideline by 0.1mm, in the modern game when players are going for the lines so much, there are numerous occassions that a match can swing either way.

A lot of the results we see are indeed due to the butterfly effects and randomness in sports is commonplace. So stop being one of the lemmings, one of the mass, one of the sheeple.... Use thy brain, observe, and strive for sound conclusions.... it will do your mind good.
Good post, but some people are just plain dumb or not very discerning.

dozu
09-15-2009, 10:07 AM
Good post, but some people are just plain dumb or not very discerning.

yup - some too dumb to think a 20-19 football score is possible.

ScovilleJenkins
09-15-2009, 10:13 AM
yup - some too dumb to think a 20-19 football score is possible.

really not that bizarre. towards the end of the Pats- Bills game last night the bills were up 24-19...if they only get a field goal on a drive instead of a touchdown then its 20-19

ezdude1970
09-15-2009, 10:14 AM
yup - some too dumb to think a 20-19 football score is possible.

DUDE you are silly with your convictions, why do you think it is impossible?

http://www.htrnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=U0&Date=20090828&Category=MAN0205&ArtNo=908280828&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=19

ArrowSmith
09-15-2009, 10:16 AM
SB XXV Giants def Bills 20-19

dozu
09-15-2009, 10:17 AM
DUDE you are silly with your convictions, why do you think it is impossible?

http://www.htrnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=U0&Date=20090828&Category=MAN0205&ArtNo=908280828&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=19

dude I am not the one thinking it's impossible - I was referring to the genius of post #3.

Wuornos
09-16-2009, 11:21 AM
the stupidity of the mass fans.

If you follow sports for just a few years, you notice a phenomena.

Fans always over-react to the win/loss results. During the American football season, if the team wins 20-19 on Sunday, the whole week will hear fans pounding their chest and counting the teams playoff/super bowl scenarios... but if the team loses 19-20, the tones, you can imagine, are completely opposite. topics will include coaches/players inability to execute, free agent possibilities, quarter back contraversies and so on.

While in reality, there are lots of randomness in sports. Take football for example, a fumbled ball bounces randomly on the ground and call fall into anybody's laps. The field goal kick may just catch a gust and miss the upright by an inch.

Now look at this board - we have the same phenomena going on here. Player wins, all is dandy, GOAT talks, future number 1's, winning the next calendar slams, winning 10 more slams by the end of career and so on. Player loses, all is gloomy, retirement talks, loss excuses, question on motivations, technical/ tactical issues, talks of switching to 2hbh.

while in reality, a pass shot (including that one yesterday) could have caught a gust and just made or miss the sideline by 0.1mm, in the modern game when players are going for the lines so much, there are numerous occassions that a match can swing either way.

A lot of the results we see are indeed due to the butterfly effects and randomness in sports is commonplace. So stop being one of the lemmings, one of the mass, one of the sheeple.... Use thy brain, observe, and strive for sound conclusions.... it will do your mind good.


Absolutely. I think many people don't know their sporting history and therefore cannot put things into perspective regarding whether similar events have occured previously and what precendent this set for the player or team involved.

For someone with my statistical bent I also feel the same in that people over react. If someonew wins a couple of masters events or a major there are some people who start talking about GOAT immediately. They seem to have no concept of the random aspects within sport and believe the best player always wins every match.

I would stop short of calling them stupid though and perhaps just say they have difficulties getting things into perspective.

Tim