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SoCal10s
09-17-2009, 12:17 AM
Paes was to pair up with another doubles specialist, Mahesh Bhupathi, in the Davis Cup.. does anyone know why these two doubles specialist cannot get along as before? what's the real dirt here?

Nuke
09-17-2009, 05:46 AM
From Wikipedia:

From the pinnacle of 1999 to the depths of 2006, the relationship between two top Indian players, Leander Paes and Mahesh Bhupathi has fluctuated, turning from great to bad to worse. The two forged a formidable partnership in the late 90s and steeply climbed the ladder of the doubles rankings. . . . From such a high, the relationship between the pair gradually deteriorated and reached a point of no communication. The exact cause or causes for the rift has never been known so far though various factors like ego clashes, each player garnering more attention than the other have been rumoured over the years. Just after winning the 2006 Asian games, both of the players announced that they would never play again together.

nfor304
09-17-2009, 06:00 AM
One of the reasons is apparently Paes feels he could have been a better singles player and blames his commitment to Bhupathi and their doubles for him not getting as far in singles as he would have liked.

He feels Bhupathi held him back.

Sentinel
09-17-2009, 06:11 AM
^^ If so, since he is now only playing doubles, why keep up such a grudge.

My guess is just ego clashes. Recently, during the Davis cup (last year) when the team complained abt having him as captain, some complaints were that he was autocratic.

They are roughly the same age, i guess Paes wants to boss over Bhupathi, and Bhupathi wont take it.

nfor304
09-17-2009, 06:22 AM
"In the interview to a website, Paes is alleged to have said: “Mahesh is a lot junior to me and he was never a good singles player. During my junior Wimbledon years, he used to travel with me and I took care of him. When I used to go inside the Wimbledon stadium, Mahesh didn’t have a pass, so I used to get in and throw the pass across the fence so that he could get entry. I used to give him my food coupons and also made him stay with me.

“When I was at the top of my singles career, I actually sacrificed my rankings to play Satellite and Future tournaments with him (Bhupathi) so that he could be at par with me which would help us get entry into ATP tournaments. Even though everyone advised me not to pick up a rookie player like Mahesh, my instincts told me to take him along.

“Now, when I look back, I regret the fact that I sacrificed my singles career for him. I had won the Pilot Pen International tournament beating the top players of the world, incl- uding Pete Sampras and reached a world ranking of 73 in 1998,” added Paes."

Sentinel
09-17-2009, 07:24 AM
^^ interesting. but still doesn't say what happened to cause the rift.

Rhinosaur
09-17-2009, 08:26 AM
“Now, when I look back, I regret the fact that I sacrificed my singles career for him. I had won the Pilot Pen International tournament beating the top players of the world, incl- uding Pete Sampras and reached a world ranking of 73 in 1998,” added Paes."

I respect him as a doubles player, but this really sounds like a cop-out. If you don't have a good singles career, you have only yourself to blame.

tennisdad65
09-17-2009, 08:32 AM
I have heard from a couple of my indian friends here that Paes has a huge ego and is not easy to get along with. But that wimby story about throwing the pass over the gate for bhupathi is pretty nice :).

tennisdad65
09-17-2009, 08:33 AM
I respect him as a doubles player, but this really sounds like a cop-out. If you don't have a good singles career, you have only yourself to blame.

I agree. His ground strokes were very inconsistant to make a dent in singles. And his serve was not big enough to dominate at the net.

Wondertoy
09-17-2009, 09:07 AM
Didn't he win the USO juniors?

SoCal10s
09-17-2009, 12:15 PM
I have heard from a couple of my indian friends here that Paes has a huge ego and is not easy to get along with. But that wimby story about throwing the pass over the gate for bhupathi is pretty nice :).

yes that's what I hear too .. they say that Paes is from a rich Indian family and Bhupathi was just a lower economic family and he was looked down upon by Paes and others, and the that kind of thing still exist..

Kostas
09-17-2009, 02:04 PM
I bet it was a woman...

dirtballer
09-17-2009, 02:54 PM
The article I read about the origins of the feud indicated that it was over a woman. Years ago Paes and Bhupatti were at a club and they both had eyes on a Bollywood actress. They both asked her to dance and the argument escalated into a full scale fist fight. If I can find the link, I'll post it.

dirtballer
09-17-2009, 03:20 PM
I found the link:

http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2006/05/10/revealed-why-leander-paes-bhupathi-split/

REVEALED: How the Paes-Bhupathi split began
By churumuri
SUNAAD RAGHURAM writes: I have a tennis player-friend, a former office-bearer of one of the oldest and most reputed tennis clubs in Mysore, who was/is close to some of India's star tennis players.

Over a beer or two last evening, he told me of an incident that happened in Madras in 2001.

My friend was a shocked eyewitness to one of the most bizarre and completely nerve-wracking incidents in the life of undoubtedly two of the greatest tennis stars in the history of Indian tennis, Leander Paes and Mahesh Bhupathi.

An incident that unfortunately redefined not only the two players' close bond of friendship but also the very face and future of Indian tennis on the international circuit, especially in doubles play.

The Gold Flake Open was on in Chennai and the players were housed at the Taj. One evening at the hotel bar, the two players were having a good time. A few friends too, like my friend from Mysore, were part of the scene which was so full of warmth and good cheer until the dancing began.

One of the star duo wanted to dance with a particular Bollywood damsel, whose name did not begin with L or N, for whom he had more than a glad eye.

And so too did the other star. And herein hangs a tale.

Of envy, desire, ego, pelf and human frailty.

The two, clouded in the spirits of the evening began to tug at the damsel’s hand wanting her to dance with them. Both seemed quite unrelenting in their quest to ‘bag’ the lady.

And then all hell broke loose, my friend told me.

The two got physical, mercifully not with the young lady but with themselves. Tugging at each other’s shirts, punching each other in the face, pushing, shoving and screaming obscenities at each other, they made a ghastly spectacle.

And worse, the fight went on and on and the two ended up in the small passage between the rows of rooms on the fourth floor. The maniacal thudding of their bodies against the wall was a sickly reminder of how hollow, absurd and weak in the mind even the most celebrated of sporting icons can be.

By the time the pent up fury had been discharged, what was left was literally a pile of tattered clothes and of course, reputations.

The next day, at 3.30 pm, was slotted their doubles encounter. The two did get on to the court together. And quite tragically, lost the match. And along with that match perhaps, a huge slice of the magic they so routinely conjured up on the tennis courts across the world.

RCizzle65
09-17-2009, 04:37 PM
It's a shame they started to hate each other over some girl....

Sentinel
09-18-2009, 12:57 AM
yes that's what I hear too .. they say that Paes is from a rich Indian family and Bhupathi was just a lower economic family and he was looked down upon by Paes and others, and the that kind of thing still exist..
Yes that kind of thing exists very much. Most sportsmen in India are from poorer families, as one can get employed in the sports quota of large companies and the public sector. Rich kids drop sports after school, or in rare cases college.

However, with the money in tennis and perhaps thanks to Sania and Paes/Bhupathi, richer kids are getting into tennis. There is a mix of rich and poor kids on court and I have heard negative/snide remarks about this from the well-off types.

Tennis_Monk
09-18-2009, 02:52 AM
Does Sania Mirza have any role in this rift at all. Is she the one they are trying to score.?

Sentinel
09-18-2009, 07:15 AM
No no.... Both them dudes are married. Sania appeared later and partners Bhu and is now engaged.

Paes is married to the ex-wife of an indian film star (Rhea Pillai) if i have my facts correct.

Yep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhea_Pillai

Rhea Pillai is an Indian model.
Pillai was married to Sanjay Dutt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay_Dutt), a prominent Indian actor[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhea_Pillai#cite_note-tensed-0). They are now divorced. Rhea is now married to Indian tennis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis) player Leander Paes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leander_Paes); they have one daughter, Aiyana.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhea_Pillai#cite_note-tensed-0)

Sentinel
09-20-2009, 09:11 PM
India enters World Group after 11 years, with Somdev beating Rick De Voest in a 5 setter (after being 0-2 down).

SDD is quite a hero here, saw a lot of him on a news channel this morning.

ubermeyer
09-20-2009, 09:40 PM
"In the interview to a website, Paes is alleged to have said: “Mahesh is a lot junior to me and he was never a good singles player. During my junior Wimbledon years, he used to travel with me and I took care of him. When I used to go inside the Wimbledon stadium, Mahesh didn’t have a pass, so I used to get in and throw the pass across the fence so that he could get entry. I used to give him my food coupons and also made him stay with me.

“When I was at the top of my singles career, I actually sacrificed my rankings to play Satellite and Future tournaments with him (Bhupathi) so that he could be at par with me which would help us get entry into ATP tournaments. Even though everyone advised me not to pick up a rookie player like Mahesh, my instincts told me to take him along.

“Now, when I look back, I regret the fact that I sacrificed my singles career for him. I had won the Pilot Pen International tournament beating the top players of the world, incl- uding Pete Sampras and reached a world ranking of 73 in 1998,” added Paes."

sucks for Paes if this is true that he really sacrificed his singles for Bhupathi, but it was a nice thing to do and he should not say this after the fact...

SoCal10s
09-21-2009, 12:25 AM
sucks for Paes if this is true that he really sacrificed his singles for Bhupathi, but it was a nice thing to do and he should not say this after the fact...

have you seen his game? do you think he would have made top singles player with that mid section he carries around... he not even fit for singles play...

Sentinel
09-21-2009, 01:35 AM
Bhupathi sustained a groin injury too.

Good news, both Paes and Bhupathi have qualified for London (doubles). The other 2 qualifying teams are Bryan bros and Nestor/Zimonic.

downthewall
09-21-2009, 08:27 PM
Based on Paes's style of tennis, i doubt he would be a treat to anyone in singles. Look at his serve. 100mph max ... sometimes in the 80 range. His groundstrokes are a bit oldschool but volleys are great. In my opinion, he made the right decision by sticking with doubles. And thats prob the real reason why he is a doubles player instead of singles.

tennisdad65
09-21-2009, 08:32 PM
have you seen his game? do you think he would have made top singles player with that mid section he carries around... he not even fit for singles play...

Paes is 36 now, and far from his best shape. When he was in his early 20s he was one of the fittest, fastest players around. His reflexes/hands at the net were mac/edberg like. His serve and ground strokes consistency were not even top 500, and that's what held him back in singles.

chico9166
09-22-2009, 03:46 AM
Paes is 36 now, and far from his best shape. When he was in his early 20s he was one of the fittest, fastest players around. His reflexes/hands at the net were mac/edberg like. His serve and ground strokes consistency were not even top 500, and that's what held him back in singles.

All very true. I actually worked out with Leander when he was 18 or so, as his coach at the time was a friend of mine. His athleticism was really incredible. Don't know if I've ever been on the court with anyone better, in this regard.
I would bet that he was about a 4.5 sprinter, with jaw dropping agility, and possesed a verticle jump that was off the charts. As mentioned above, his volleys were of the highest order, and so he was almost impossible to pass.

But, as you mentioned, his serve was really, really weak, for the world class level, and his groundstrokes, were very old school. He chipped most of his backhands, and even his forehand, was well below today's standard. Can't see how these two shots, could hold up well at that level. He definately made the right decision to concentrate on doubles.


My guess is, his comments were just a result of his distaste for Mahesh, instead of a sincere belief that he could play singles at that level. The two really can't stand each other.