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slicefox
09-17-2009, 10:24 PM
Strong at 1 slam but turn out to be a 1 slam wonder? Really strong kid coming up, promising game with multi-slam potential but end up getting beat by the other players in the coming slams?

Could DelPotro be like Djokovic? I hope not, I like this guy I hope he can win on all surfaces but I just have a feeling it could happen...

what do u think?

ChuDat
09-17-2009, 10:29 PM
I believe he could win at 3/4 slams, the 1 being Wimbledon. He certainly has the tools to win more slams.

Eviscerator
09-17-2009, 10:30 PM
Wow, don't you think it is a little early in his career to predict that ND will be a one slam wonder :confused:

msc886
09-17-2009, 10:37 PM
Its a bit too early to call Novak out. He's had a slump but he's still playing quite good. I think he'll have a shot for another.
As for JMDP. Sure I think he has another shot if he keeps this up.

wyutani
09-17-2009, 10:39 PM
djokovic is doing too much fooling around.

grafselesfan
09-17-2009, 10:59 PM
It is too early to call Djokovic a one slam wonder. I am a bit dissapointed in him as a fan but he has still done pretty well overall. He continues to win or make finals of Masters, continued to have alot of strong showing in slams, has continued to post wins over Federer and Nadal sometimes. This year was more a dissapointment in the slams with the U.S Open really being his only good showing. Still he is up there in the rankings. I would agree he doesnt seem like the favorite or second favorite to win any slam at this very moment but it isnt like he is that far off, that can change if he just gets a bit more confidence going.

martinrousev
09-17-2009, 11:58 PM
What do you mean by 'Another Djokovic'? Novak is still very young and has the time and the game to repeat his grand slam success.

ASL
09-18-2009, 12:00 AM
Why another Djokovic? Djokovic is an excellent player when he's on fire and i see him winning another slam in the near future.

flying24
09-18-2009, 12:06 AM
Why another Djokovic? Djokovic is an excellent player when he's on fire and i see him winning another slam in the near future.

That is doubtful. Federer, Del Potro, Murray, maybe even Roddick all seem stronger than him on hard courts at the moment. Forget about grass. Then on clay you have Nadal who some think will return to unbeatable form (time will tell of course), Del Potro now also, and Federer of course.

ASL
09-18-2009, 12:08 AM
That is doubtful. Federer, Del Potro, Murray, maybe even Roddick all seem stronger than him on hard courts at the moment. Forget about grass. Then on clay you have Nadal who some think will return to unbeatable form (time will tell of course), Del Potro now also, and Federer of course.

You never know what could happen, he could all of a sudden play lights out tennis at the AO and shock us all. We saw signs of this against Nadal in Cincy. Although i don't have him as favorite for that tournament.

flying24
09-18-2009, 12:15 AM
You never know what could happen, he could all of a sudden play lights out tennis at the AO and shock us all. We saw signs of this against Nadal in Cincy. Although i don't have him as favorite for that tournament.

True. I just think it would be hard for him to post 2 or 3 big wins in a row to win a slam now. Not impossible, but very difficult for him, especialy as his confidence doesnt seem to be there when he meets quality opponents. The most worrisome thing about him is that he isnt improving for awhile now. He is still a quality player and mantaining his level for the most part but others his age or a bit younger like Murray and Del Potro are improving quickly right now while he has not for a good year and a half now.

His performance vs Nadal in Cincy was impressive but keep in mind Nadal on his present form and condition is nowhere near Federer, Murray, Del Potro, or Djokovic on fast hard court, which is his worst surface (other than indoor surface) even at his best.

ASL
09-18-2009, 12:23 AM
True. I just think it would be hard for him to post 2 or 3 big wins in a row to win a slam now. Not impossible, but very difficult for him, especialy as his confidence doesnt seem to be there when he meets quality opponents. The most worrisome thing about him is that he isnt improving for awhile now. He is still a quality player and mantaining his level for the most part but others his age or a bit younger like Murray and Del Potro are improving quickly right now while he has not for a good year and a half now.

His performance vs Nadal in Cincy was impressive but keep in mind Nadal on his present form and condition is nowhere near Federer, Murray, Del Potro, or Djokovic on fast hard court, which is his worst surface (other than indoor surface) even at his best.

If he has a good run during this final quarterof the season, then it will ease his mind a bit for the next. If he simply flattens out that forehand of his it really make a whole difference when it comes to his results. However, when he does flatten it out he makes quite a few UE's which just makes him revert back to the loopy topspin shots. Against Nadal he realised very well that he doesn't enjoy balls coming at him with such velocity. So it was really a game plan which worked out perfectly. Now he simply has to continue doing this rather than playing far behind the baseline.

flying24
09-18-2009, 12:39 AM
If he has a good run during this final quarterof the season, then it will ease his mind a bit for the next. If he simply flattens out that forehand of his it really make a whole difference when it comes to his results. However, when he does flatten it out he makes quite a few UE's which just makes him revert back to the loopy topspin shots. Against Nadal he realised very well that he doesn't enjoy balls coming at him with such velocity. So it was really a game plan which worked out perfectly. Now he simply has to continue doing this rather than playing far behind the baseline.

I agree the game plan he had vs Nadal is the game plan he needs to employ vs all these other top guns I mentioned as well to be successful.

ASL
09-18-2009, 12:41 AM
I agree the game plan he had vs Nadal is the game plan he needs to employ vs all these other top guns I mentioned as well to be successful.

Even Federer doesn't handle flat shots as well as many people perceived before the USO final. ;)

batz
09-18-2009, 12:45 AM
I think it's way too soon to be writing Novak off. JMDP will win multiple slams IMO but I also think Novak will.

Wasn't Novak a few months younger than Juan Martin when he won his 1st slam?

RFLEGEND
09-18-2009, 12:55 AM
no way at least del potro has a career

big bang
09-18-2009, 01:03 AM
I am pretty sure he will win more slams, he is only 20!!!

Sentinel
09-18-2009, 01:11 AM
I sure hope Delpo doesn't go the Joker way ( I am one of the few fans of Joker here, but consistency wise and perhaps mentally, he sucks.).

Hope to see him consistently in the slam semis/finals, hope to see him in top three, hope to see him winning a few (but not too many while Roger's around ;-) )

Go Delpo !!!

lambielspins
09-18-2009, 01:11 AM
Wrong thread.

zagor
09-18-2009, 01:59 AM
Djokovic turned out to be one slam wonder?!? The guy's 22 not 32,what a joke.

lambielspins
09-18-2009, 02:17 AM
Djokovic turned out to be one slam wonder?!? The guy's 22 not 32,what a joke.

That doesnt mean he is definitely going to win another slam. Chang won his only slam at 17. Courier won his last slam at 22. Hewitt won his last slam at 21 (barring a touched by an angel miracle). Roddick probably won his only slam at 20. Moya won his only slam at 21 (barring an even bigger touched by an angel miracle than Hewitt). Ferrero probably won his only slam at 23. Safin was 1 point from winning his only slam at 20.

I would say Djokovic is likelier to win another slam at some point in his career than Roddick, Ferrero, Hewitt, or Moya, but he is far from certain to do so. Personally I dont think he will ever go into a slam as the favorite again (if he ever really did) and last year was the closest he will ever get to being #1 or #2 in the World. Another slam or even two might come at some point but it wont be easy and also might not ever come.

ceberus
09-18-2009, 02:22 AM
Lol Djoker is one slam wonder while he's 22? Murray is also 22, and has no slams, and people have him winning all slam virtually. WTH? Delpo will win multiple slams, and hopefully on all surfaces. Djokovic will end up with a few slams himself, just wait and watch.

federerfanatic
09-18-2009, 02:30 AM
I think it is very possible Djokovic has already won his final slam too. Murray is insanely overrated but still has a much better shot of winning future slams than Djokovic does.

ceberus
09-18-2009, 02:33 AM
I think it is very possible Djokovic has already won his final slam too. Murray is insanely overrated but still has a much better shot of winning future slams than Djokovic does.What makes you say that?:???:

5th Element
09-18-2009, 02:34 AM
New member here - hi all - and first reply to a thread.

I've been following Del Potro's progress closely over the last couple of years. With that forehand he is capable of taking the game to a new level. I'm predicting 5+ majors and he's a lock for the number one spot over the next 6-8 years.

federerfanatic
09-18-2009, 02:39 AM
What makes you say that?:???:

1. Murray as overrated as he is, is a better player than Djokovic right now and has been ever since say August of last year.

2. Murray is capable of beating anyone on hard courts. Djokovic only seems capable of beating Nadal on hard courts of the other top players at the moment.

3. Murray is still improving, Djokovic seems to have stopped improving for awhile now.

4. Djokovic hasnt had a big win in a grand slam since the 2008 Australian Open. Even massive slam underperformer Murray has a more recent big slam win (Nadal at last years U.S Open). In addition to not having a single big win he has also suffered 3 what I would consider extremely bad upsets in the last 6 slams- Safin at last years Wimbledon, Kohlschreiber at this years French, Haas at this years Wimbledon.

FlamEnemY
09-18-2009, 04:17 AM
1. Murray as overrated as he is, is a better player than Djokovic right now and has been ever since say August of last year.

2. Murray is capable of beating anyone on hard courts. Djokovic only seems capable of beating Nadal on hard courts of the other top players at the moment.

3. Murray is still improving, Djokovic seems to have stopped improving for awhile now.

4. Djokovic hasnt had a big win in a grand slam since the 2008 Australian Open. Even massive slam underperformer Murray has a more recent big slam win (Nadal at last years U.S Open). In addition to not having a single big win he has also suffered 3 what I would consider extremely bad upsets in the last 6 slams- Safin at last years Wimbledon, Kohlschreiber at this years French, Haas at this years Wimbledon.


1. Right now. On grass and HC. Djokovic is miles ahead of Murray on clay.

2. Again, on hardcourts. And as has been proven, anyone in the top 30 can beat Murray on HC.

3. I agree. But his gameplan needs some tweaking, see 2.

4. So winning AO last year is worse than losing USO in the final? And might I say, Djokovic was far more competitive than Murray, at least Federer didn't give him a beatdown in their match.

There's no evidence whatsoever that Murray has a better shot.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
09-18-2009, 04:49 AM
Strong at 1 slam but turn out to be a 1 slam wonder? Really strong kid coming up, promising game with multi-slam potential but end up getting beat by the other players in the coming slams?

Could DelPotro be like Djokovic? I hope not, I like this guy I hope he can win on all surfaces but I just have a feeling it could happen...

what do u think?

My answer: Nooooo...hooo...ooo!!! Del Potro is 10 times the more talented player than Djokovic, his mindgame is a lot better than Djokovics, Djokovics won a really weak slam (Mono Roger in SF and headcase Tsonga in final) and that will be his only GS. DelPo will end up with 5-10 GS imo. Dont even compare DelPo to Djokovic /Fed-fan

NamRanger
09-18-2009, 05:45 AM
You never know what could happen, he could all of a sudden play lights out tennis at the AO and shock us all. We saw signs of this against Nadal in Cincy. Although i don't have him as favorite for that tournament.



"Lights out". That's pretty funny, considering his competition during his AO run consisted of new comer Jo Tsonga (who had chances to beat him anyways), a sick Federer, overachiever David Ferrer, and what, not even a top 30 Sam Querrey?




Some stiff competition there!

OJ ROD
09-18-2009, 05:47 AM
Del Potro seems more serious about his tennis than Djokovic.

Motherwasp
09-18-2009, 05:51 AM
I think all this Djokovic hating is complete BS. He is still number 4 in the world, still making it to a lot of semi's and finals and people are talking as if his career is over. Lest we forget he won the master's cup at the end of last year and was one of the few players who pushed Nadal close on clay this year. Wait until he wins another tournament and we will be inundated with "Djokovic appreciation thread" and "what string is Novak using thread"

OJ ROD
09-18-2009, 06:15 AM
I think all this Djokovic hating is complete BS. He is still number 4 in the world, still making it to a lot of semi's and finals and people are talking as if his career is over. Lest we forget he won the master's cup at the end of last year and was one of the few players who pushed Nadal close on clay this year. Wait until he wins another tournament and we will be inundated with "Djokovic appreciation thread" and "what string is Novak using thread"

By those who the winds carry.

pmerk34
09-18-2009, 06:17 AM
Strong at 1 slam but turn out to be a 1 slam wonder? Really strong kid coming up, promising game with multi-slam potential but end up getting beat by the other players in the coming slams?

Could DelPotro be like Djokovic? I hope not, I like this guy I hope he can win on all surfaces but I just have a feeling it could happen...

what do u think?

So Djokovic is one slam wonder? Is he retired? After he won the AO did he drop to 150 in the world never to be heard from again?

pmerk34
09-18-2009, 06:18 AM
"Lights out". That's pretty funny, considering his competition during his AO run consisted of new comer Jo Tsonga (who had chances to beat him anyways), a sick Federer, overachiever David Ferrer, and what, not even a top 30 Sam Querrey?



Some stiff competition there!

Excuses. And Tsonga destroyed and embarrassed the great Nadal that year.

Sentinel
09-18-2009, 06:27 AM
Del Potro seems more serious about his tennis than Djokovic.
I too think Đoković is not serious enough. Might add "streaky".
i hope the second coach (Todd Martin was it?) helps him.

Potro lets his racket do the talking and i hope it remains that way at least till he wins a few more slams.

jwbarrientos
09-18-2009, 07:17 AM
Delpo could win AO, USO, even RG but don't he having success in London, grass isn't for him.

Cyan
09-18-2009, 07:21 AM
I think it is very possible Djokovic has already won his final slam too.

Disagree..........

David L
09-18-2009, 07:33 AM
I agree the game plan he had vs Nadal is the game plan he needs to employ vs all these other top guns I mentioned as well to be successful.
Djokovic can't employ the same game plan against others that he does against Nadal, because Nadal is a completely different player. Not only does Nadal not hit with as much pace as players like Federer and Del Potro, he also take the ball significantly later then these players, so Djokovic has all the time in the world to prepare and attack the ball. That's what their matches mainly consist of; Djokovic attacking and Nadal retrieving 10 feet behind the baseline. Federer, especially, does not give Djokovic the luxury of time like this. He hits the ball harder and takes it earlier, which ends up putting Djokovic on the back foot. Nadal is a more comfortable match-up for Djokovic.

On top of this, the other top players have serves Djokovic has much more difficulty handling.

drwood
09-18-2009, 07:56 AM
My answer: Nooooo...hooo...ooo!!! Del Potro is 10 times the more talented player than Djokovic, his mindgame is a lot better than Djokovics, Djokovics won a really weak slam (Mono Roger in SF and headcase Tsonga in final) and that will be his only GS. DelPo will end up with 5-10 GS imo. Dont even compare DelPo to Djokovic /Fed-fan

Welcome back, Magician!

oy vey
09-18-2009, 10:20 AM
Will DelPotro be another Djokovic?
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If delpo can manage to get 5 MS titles and a YEC then yes, he will be another Djokovic.

federerfanatic
09-18-2009, 10:42 AM
1. Right now. On grass and HC. Djokovic is miles ahead of Murray on clay.

2. Again, on hardcourts. And as has been proven, anyone in the top 30 can beat Murray on HC.

3. I agree. But his gameplan needs some tweaking, see 2.

4. So winning AO last year is worse than losing USO in the final? And might I say, Djokovic was far more competitive than Murray, at least Federer didn't give him a beatdown in their match.

There's no evidence whatsoever that Murray has a better shot.

You are basically conceding Murray is better on hard courts so that already means he has a better shot. Hard courts is the best surface of both and where their most likely slams will come. Yeah Djokovic is better on clay but neither is going to win the French with Nadal there, and even if Nadal goes out there is Federer and Del Potro to deal with both who would both beat Djokovic in good form right now.

Your statement of anyone in the top 30 being able to beat Murray on hard courts is really blind hating. The lowest ranked player to beat him on hard courts in a long time is Cilic, and Cilic is a fast rising up and comer who will be top 10 very soon.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
09-18-2009, 10:44 AM
Welcome back, Magician!
Thanx drwood!

FlamEnemY
09-18-2009, 11:37 AM
1.You are basically conceding Murray is better on hard courts so that already means he has a better shot. Hard courts is the best surface of both and where their most likely slams will come.
2.Yeah Djokovic is better on clay but neither is going to win the French with Nadal there, and even if Nadal goes out there is Federer and Del Potro to deal with both who would both beat Djokovic in good form right now.

3.Your statement of anyone in the top 30 being able to beat Murray on hard courts is really blind hating. The lowest ranked player to beat him on hard courts in a long time is Cilic, and Cilic is a fast rising up and comer who will be top 10 very soon.

1.Yep, I am. But I assumed you are talking about any slam, not only HC slams. That leads me to
2. You say there are players better than Djokovic on clay, that's true. But what about Murray on HC? This argument goes both ways, Murray also isn't a given for a HC title. The HC competition is tough, really tough. There are more HC 'specialists' than CC or grass specialists, which leads me to
3. They are able, meaning they can beat him. Not necessary would, as it is clear that Murray can be beaten by a 'hot' player who doesn't give away points. Any top player can have this kind of day, you can't deny this.

SerbWhoLovesDelPo
09-18-2009, 12:49 PM
You are basically conceding Murray is better on hard courts so that already means he has a better shot. Hard courts is the best surface of both and where their most likely slams will come. Yeah Djokovic is better on clay but neither is going to win the French with Nadal there, and even if Nadal goes out there is Federer and Del Potro to deal with both who would both beat Djokovic in good form right now.

Your statement of anyone in the top 30 being able to beat Murray on hard courts is really blind hating. The lowest ranked player to beat him on hard courts in a long time is Cilic, and Cilic is a fast rising up and comer who will be top 10 very soon.

Comparing Djokovic and Murray on HC slams

1. In AO and US from 08 to 09, Djokovic only lost to Federer and Roddick (and this was partially because of the heat), and in his matches with Federer, he gave a fairly good fight

2. In those same tournaments (AO08-USO09), Murray lost to Tsonga , Verdasco, and Cilic, and his match with Fed in US 08 was a complete demolition

The only HC slam in which Murray did better than Djokovic was USO 08, and in that tournament, both Djokovic and Murray lost to Federer, except Djokovic pushed Fed to 4 sets while Murray was anihilated in straights

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On topic, Del Potro will definitely have more slams than Djokovic. His talent is probably better, his fitness is no worse than DJokovic based on what I've seen this year, and he is more concentrated on his tennis than DJokovic. Djokovic may well end up with only 1 slam sadly.

Tony48
09-18-2009, 10:21 PM
Why another Djokovic? Djokovic is an excellent player when he's on fire and i see him winning another slam in the near future.

Novak should have at the very LEAST made another Slam final by now.

orangeblood
09-18-2009, 10:26 PM
Del Potro doesn't have the kind of PR/image issues and overbearing parents that Djokovic has had to deal with (of course, Djokovic brought that on himself). The fact that DP has always remained a low key kind of guy, I think he'll be fine.

BorisBeckerFan
09-18-2009, 10:37 PM
Strong at 1 slam but turn out to be a 1 slam wonder? Really strong kid coming up, promising game with multi-slam potential but end up getting beat by the other players in the coming slams?

Could DelPotro be like Djokovic? I hope not, I like this guy I hope he can win on all surfaces but I just have a feeling it could happen...

what do u think?

Are you trying to bash Juan, Novak or both?

abmk
09-18-2009, 11:06 PM
Firstly >> I wonder how some people make out Djokovic as a one-slam wonder at this stage of his career.

Secondly >> I think both have the capability to win multiple slams

Teamtomo
09-18-2009, 11:13 PM
Firstly >> I wonder how some people make out Djokovic as a one-slam wonder at this stage of his career.

Secondly >> I think both have the capability to win multiple slams

I totally agree

Djumex
09-19-2009, 05:50 AM
IMO both Delpo and Novak will win more slams in the future.
Calling Novak a one-slam wonder is just pure hate! So I won't get into that.
Both of them have ways to go......to mature.....to get better and then capitalise on that.
It's a very tough era of tennis....there is no telling now who will win the next slam or masters.
Power and aggression is the game now.....delpo and djokovic are leading in this department. When on there is no countering it....Roger felt it in the finals!

Augustus
09-19-2009, 06:45 AM
Djokovic and Del Potro are both very talented power baseliners and should win some Slams in the future. Djoko just seems to be mentally unstable at the moment, whereas DP showed he is no mental midget. IMO Djoko will get out of his 'slump' next year (he already played a little better at the USO) and be a force at hardcourt and clay next year. But at the moment, DP is more of a threat at the majors right now...

Telepatic
09-19-2009, 06:57 AM
They both had and will have more chances for greater success in their career.
They are young too..

Shaolin
09-19-2009, 07:29 AM
Wow, don't you think it is a little early in his career to predict that ND will be a one slam wonder :confused:



Not at TTW, where you can be buried for dead with one loss and/or elevated to GOAT status with one win.

matchmaker
09-19-2009, 08:18 AM
I don't think he will be a Djokovic. I actually still see a margin of improvement in him.

Djokovic is a great player but I have the impression he has a physical condition he will probably only reveal when his carreer is over. I feel in many matches he loses because he cannot handle the pace physically.

If Djokovic did what Agassi did in the latter part of his carreer I think he might still pick a couple of slams.

r2473
09-19-2009, 08:30 AM
djokovic is doing too much fooling around.

Is this related to the Kournikova is pregnant rumor?

anointedone
09-19-2009, 11:09 AM
IMO both Delpo and Novak will win more slams in the future.
Calling Novak a one-slam wonder is just pure hate! So I won't get into that.
Both of them have ways to go......to mature.....to get better and then capitalise on that.
It's a very tough era of tennis....there is no telling now who will win the next slam or masters.
Power and aggression is the game now.....delpo and djokovic are leading in this department. When on there is no countering it....Roger felt it in the finals!

Say Djumex how did your prediction of Djokovic beating Federer in straight sets at the U.S Open work out? :oops:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=9441

It is funny how you try to use Del Potro's narrow victory over Federer in the U.S Open as some sort of extension to Djokovic when Djokovic was beaten in straight sets in the semis and has lost 5 sets in a row to Federer this summer.

Elegant_Roger
09-19-2009, 11:15 AM
Djokovic and Del Potro are both very talented power baseliners and should win some Slams in the future. Djoko just seems to be mentally unstable at the moment, whereas DP showed he is no mental midget. IMO Djoko will get out of his 'slump' next year (he already played a little better at the USO) and be a force at hardcourt and clay next year. But at the moment, DP is more of a threat at the majors right now...

Not to mention their personalities are completely different. Nole needs drama and is a very emotional player. He has been in a slump because he has taken his losses to much too heart. He constantly defeats himself with his mind.

Delpo seems to have the ability to live in the present and not let the mental game destroy him. He is smooth and cool and is capable of coming back in a match after making blunders. He doesn't let his emotions get too much in the way of his game. And he can recover very quickly from bad fortune. In short, Delpo strikes me as is a positive thinker whreas Nole lets negative emotions get the better of him.

pmerk34
09-19-2009, 11:44 AM
Not to mention their personalities are completely different. Nole needs drama and is a very emotional player. He has been in a slump because he has taken his losses to much too heart. He constantly defeats himself with his mind.

Delpo seems to have the ability to live in the present and not let the mental game destroy him. He is smooth and cool and is capable of coming back in a match after making blunders. He doesn't let his emotions get too much in the way of his game. And he can recover very quickly from bad fortune. In short, Delpo strikes me as is a positive thinker whreas Nole lets negative emotions get the better of him.

How is Novak in a slump? Doesn't he have the most wins on tour?

grafselesfan
09-19-2009, 11:52 AM
How is Novak in a slump? Doesn't he have the most wins on tour?

Well some might consider him in a mini slump perhaps since:

1. He hasnt won a Masters title this year (granted neither has Del Potro thus far).

2. His slam results this year are 1 semi, 2 quarters, 1 round of 16. Good but not great, and inferior to his 2007 and 2008 slam results.

3. He has dropped to #4 behind Murray and Del Potro is now closing in on him too.

zagor
09-19-2009, 11:54 AM
Firstly >> I wonder how some people make out Djokovic as a one-slam wonder at this stage of his career.

Secondly >> I think both have the capability to win multiple slams

Agree.Calling a player one slam wonder at the age of 22 is ridiculous.He might turn out to be a one slam wonder but attaching that label to him at this age already is simply wrong IMO.

Elegant_Roger
09-19-2009, 12:39 PM
How is Novak in a slump? Doesn't he have the most wins on tour?

Yea, he also played 8 more matches than the next player on tour, Andy Murray, but only has 2 more wins. In terms of winning percentages for the year:

1. Roger Federer 53-8 .869
2. Rafael Nadal 52-8 .867
3. Andy Murray 56-9 .862
4. Juan Del Pony 45-11 .804
5. Nole Djokovic 58-15 .795
6. Andy Roddick 46-13 .780

He has only won the Serbian Open (ATP 250) and Dubai (ATP 500)
GS AO -QFs; French Open 1/16; Wimbledon QFs; U.S. Open SFs

Compare that to 2008 where he won the Tennis Masters Cup (Masters Championship), Rome Masters, Indian Wells (Masters) and Australian Open (Grand Slam)
-GS AO - Winner; French Open -SFs; Wimbledon - 1/32; U.S. Open - SFs

++Or 2007 where he won Austria Tennis Open, Rogers Cup (Masters), Estoril Open, Miami Masters (Masters), Adelaide International
-GS AO - QFs; French Open SFs; Wimbledon - SFs; U.S. Open - Finals

In the WTA, Wozniaki has the most wins (62), but has played 8 more matches as well and is 5th in winning percentage too.

Djumex
09-20-2009, 06:46 AM
Say Djumex how did your prediction of Djokovic beating Federer in straight sets at the U.S Open work out? :oops:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=9441

It is funny how you try to use Del Potro's narrow victory over Federer in the U.S Open as some sort of extension to Djokovic when Djokovic was beaten in straight sets in the semis and has lost 5 sets in a row to Federer this summer.

Relax man....I wasn't trying to do anything really. I was just saying that delpo's and novak's style of play is very similar and comparable.
It works fine and it's very difficult to counter it when they menage to get those fast and powerfull balls in...that is all. For that matter tsonga and monfils are also difficult to beat when their shots are accurate. But that is also a down side of "power tennis" ....a lot can go wrong if that sluging of the ball goes erratic and streaky......this is were maturity and experience must come into equation. Plan must be adjusted sometimes. That is hard to do also....player must first accept that plan no1 isn't working(something that Djokovic has most problems with)...then decide how should he change his approach to counter his opponent better....this is even harder.......even for the best player in the world. ;)
For examlpe...Roger fail to implement a different plan when things started to go aginst him...It was obvious that match was slipping out of his control, but he stuck with his 1st plan and eventualy lost the match.
Anyways.....Delpo...Djokovic...Tsonga...Monfils... .all very talented and similar in their approach to the game....IMO this is the way tennis will evolve in the future.....Power and Aggression....Use the power wisely but be aggressive all the time!
You can quote me on this one :D


PS Pushers must die! ;)

jjermann
09-20-2009, 07:30 AM
Yea, he also played 8 more matches than the next player on tour, Andy Murray, but only has 2 more wins. In terms of winning percentages for the year:

1. Roger Federer 53-8 .869
2. Rafael Nadal 52-8 .867
3. Andy Murray 56-9 .862
4. Juan Del Pony 45-11 .804
5. Nole Djokovic 58-15 .795
6. Andy Roddick 46-13 .780

He has only won the Serbian Open (ATP 250) and Dubai (ATP 500)
GS AO -QFs; French Open 1/16; Wimbledon QFs; U.S. Open SFs

Compare that to 2008 where he won the Tennis Masters Cup (Masters Championship), Rome Masters, Indian Wells (Masters) and Australian Open (Grand Slam)
-GS AO - Winner; French Open -SFs; Wimbledon - 1/32; U.S. Open - SFs

++Or 2007 where he won Austria Tennis Open, Rogers Cup (Masters), Estoril Open, Miami Masters (Masters), Adelaide International
-GS AO - QFs; French Open SFs; Wimbledon - SFs; U.S. Open - Finals

In the WTA, Wozniaki has the most wins (62), but has played 8 more matches as well and is 5th in winning percentage too.

Del Potro is 49-11 this year

Elegant_Roger
09-20-2009, 08:31 AM
Del Potro is 49-11 this year

I think I got my stats from a site that hadn't updated the last few matches of the U.S. Open. 49-11 is even better, and actually accenctuates the point I was making (Djokovic is no longer even playing like the 4th best player). Thanks for the correction!

ER

President
09-20-2009, 08:52 AM
I don't get what you mean by "another Djokovic". The guy is only 22, he can surely win more slams. Saying Djokovic is out of the running for slams based on his current bad form (still got the semifinals of US Open) is like saying Federer should have retired earlier in the year based on a few bad results.

OddJack
09-20-2009, 10:09 AM
No, he wont be another Djoker, and here is why:

Then:
Nadal:was still uprising, he would have the next year (2008 ) as his best. He was to improve his game outside clay and start winning grass and hard courts.

Federer at 26: Was still strong in 2007, was going to win two of the remaining slams and losing only to Nadal in the finals.

Now:

Nadal: is a wreck. The only place he has no injuries in is his ears, since there is no muscle or bones there.

Federer: Is in the last stage of his career. At 28 he may still have some slams in him here and there but no in streaks. The dad will get tired sooner and less motivated.

Conclusion: The two guys who won most of the majors are now passed their primes. Players like Del Potro have opportunites Djoker never had.

maddogz32
09-20-2009, 06:17 PM
thats what im thinkin

slicefox
09-20-2009, 09:52 PM
hmm u bring good point, no more dominators in the men's tour.

unless grigor dimitrov comes in like a new Fed to sort things out, chumps could take slams....

tacou
09-20-2009, 10:02 PM
if this year has been Novak's slump, then the rest of his career will be pretty stellar. of course, he might just disappear, but I doubt it.

as for Delp--I really don't like the guy, he's too lifeless and his game is ugly to me, but he's way too good to be a one slam wonder. obviously I can't predict his future, no matter how big his game is already, but he certainly will be at least a top 10 fixture for the next 5 years or so

flying24
09-20-2009, 10:05 PM
if this year has been Novak's slump, then the rest of his career will be pretty stellar. of course, he might just disappear, but I doubt it.

as for Delp--I really don't like the guy, he's too lifeless and his game is ugly to me, but he's way too good to be a one slam wonder. obviously I can't predict his future, no matter how big his game is already, but he certainly will be at least a top 10 fixture for the next 5 years or so

Novak is not in a slump. That perceived notion by some is based on the inflated expectations some have of him (though they are now dieing off). He is finding his level which is up there but a bit off from the very top. The #4-#7 range is more likely where he is going to be than the top 3. He could win another slam but it wont be easy, and it probably wont be anytime that soon.