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iriraz
09-19-2009, 09:47 AM
In the Davis cup doubles match between GB-Poland Murray raised his hand before the polish player was due to serve for the match because as he said the polish player was comitting a footfault.How can a player stop play because he thinks his opponent does commit a footfault.The replay showed clearly Murray was completely wrong.What a joke.It would have been a clear ace instead they replayed the point and GB won it

NolemurraY
09-19-2009, 09:52 AM
In the Davis cup doubles match between GB-Poland Murray raised his hand before the polish player was due to serve for the match because as he said the polish player was comitting a footfault.How can a player stop play because he thinks his opponent does commit a footfault.The replay showed clearly Murray was completely wrong.What a joke.It would have been a clear ace instead they replayed the point and GB won it

I think your the joke. The replay showed Murray was right :oops:, however i still agree that he shudnt of done it.

Lionheart392
09-19-2009, 09:52 AM
I saw it. The Polish team should've been awarded the point, Murray had no right interfering with the play like that. Stupid wanker.

iriraz
09-19-2009, 09:57 AM
Poland won in the end doubles.Close to another relegation for Britain.Second one in a row.

Sentinel
09-19-2009, 10:25 AM
In the Davis cup doubles match between GB-Poland Murray raised his hand before the polish player was due to serve for the match because as he said the polish player was comitting a footfault.How can a player stop play because he thinks his opponent does commit a footfault.The replay showed clearly Murray was completely wrong.What a joke.It would have been a clear ace instead they replayed the point and GB won it
How would it have been a clear ace if the server had not started serving ???

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 10:28 AM
Admittedly Murray was wrong to point it during a game as it isn't his job, but it had been regular occurance and the GB team had made the umpire aware previously.

Never the less, this is just yet another chance to take a knock @ Murray the most loved to hate tennis players in the history of the game.

iriraz
09-19-2009, 10:30 AM
How would it have been a clear ace if the server had not started serving ???

Oops.Wanted to say that the polish player alread got his serve in but at that moment Murray raised his hand.To be honest i never saw a player stopping the play saying it was a footfault on his opponent.
The way things look for Britain atm it`s Evans or Fleming for the 5th live rubber.

Cesc Fabregas
09-19-2009, 10:32 AM
The guy Murray was playing with, Hutchins, is a complete clown.

Gugafan
09-19-2009, 10:33 AM
There is no point even watching GB play Davis Cup. Simply no depth to compete with the better nations.

Cesc Fabregas
09-19-2009, 10:34 AM
There is no point even watching GB play Davis Cup. Simply no depth to compete with the better nations.

Agreed. Guys like Evans and Hutchins are a waste of space.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
09-19-2009, 10:39 AM
Why cant Andy play with Jamie? Am I missing something??

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 10:40 AM
Why cant Andy play with Jamie? Am I missing something??

Yes, your missing a lot infact, Jamie has been pretty much out of sorts for the past year. His doubles ranking has plummited and he hasn't faired well recently for the GB doubles team.

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 10:40 AM
Hutchins positioning whilst returning serve each time were appalling and his reading of where the serves were going (down the T, out wide or @ the body) weren't all too clever either.

A part of me thinks he was too much in awe of Murray and sort of expected Murray to provide the inspiration, whilst he stayed in his comfort bread and butter zone of serving big and putting away a few elementary volley’s.

Cesc Fabregas
09-19-2009, 10:43 AM
Hutchins positioning whilst returning serve each time were appalling and his reading of where the serves were going (down the T, out wide or @ the body) weren't all too clever either.

A part of me thinks he was too much in awe of Murray and sort of expected Murray to provide the inspiration, whilst he stayed in his comfort bread and butter zone of serving big and putting away a few elementary volley’s.

Hutchins is a joke, a complete waste of space. John Lloyd should have given me the call, lol. I would have done a better job.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
09-19-2009, 10:43 AM
Yes, your missing a lot infact, Jamie has been pretty much out of sorts for the past year. His doubles ranking has plummited and he hasn't faired well recently for the GB doubles team.
Ok ok easy man...im not a huge fan of British tennis anyway, just wondered.

Gugafan
09-19-2009, 10:46 AM
Agreed. Guys like Evans and Hutchins are a waste of space.

LOL Dan evans..Britans next big hope after Murray. The guy cant even hit a topspin backhand, slices everying.

I saw him in solihull town centre in Bham, a few weeks back. Apparently he was going to get lashed after an early exit at Washington. He's work ethic is definitely questionable.

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 10:47 AM
Hutchins is a joke, a complete waste of space. John Lloyd should have given me the call, lol. I would have done a better job.

No joke.

I'm a 5.1 and i have better groundstrokes.

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 10:47 AM
Ok ok easy man...im not a huge fan of British tennis anyway, just wondered.

Don't be so defensive. I was simply filling you in.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
09-19-2009, 10:48 AM
Seriously, wouldnt Tim Henman have done a better job? Id imagine the British crowd would have loved that? How come the tie is in Liverpool of all places??:shock: Spreading the tennis outside of London?

TheMagicianOfPrecision
09-19-2009, 10:49 AM
Don't be so defensive. I was simply filling you in.
Im sure u were, thats fine.

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 10:53 AM
Seriously, wouldnt Tim Henman have done a better job? Id imagine the British crowd would have loved that? How come the tie is in Liverpool of all places??:shock: Spreading the tennis outside of London?

The LTA want to encourage / inspire kids all over the country to become involved in the game. Not just the capital where all the money is.

CocaCola
09-19-2009, 10:59 AM
Classles idiot!

jamesblakefan#1
09-19-2009, 11:04 AM
Seriously, wouldnt Tim Henman have done a better job? Id imagine the British crowd would have loved that? How come the tie is in Liverpool of all places??:shock: Spreading the tennis outside of London?

Seriously though, Henman's probably still the 2nd best British tennis player. After him the corpse of Fred Perry is the British #3.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
09-19-2009, 11:18 AM
After him the corpse of Fred Perry is the British #3.
:):):twisted:)

ubermeyer
09-19-2009, 11:43 AM
No joke.

I'm a 5.1 and i have better groundstrokes.

That's complete BS.

Lionheart392
09-19-2009, 11:43 AM
Seriously though, Henman's probably still the 2nd best British tennis player. After him the corpse of Fred Perry is the British #3.

As a British person I just have to say that this statement is COMPLETELY TRUE.

jaggy
09-19-2009, 01:01 PM
Shouldnt this have a spoiler alert, Im sure many would be watching tapes of this later? vbg

jamesblakefan#1
09-19-2009, 01:07 PM
Shouldnt this have a spoiler alert, Im sure many would be watching tapes of this later? vbg

You really think that many people care a/b a Britain/Poland DC regulation doubles tie? I'm against spoilers as much as the next guy, but this is no big deal.

mozzer
09-19-2009, 01:07 PM
You gotta admit though, it was one helluva foot fault, half his foot was on the other side!

NamRanger
09-19-2009, 01:10 PM
Henman and Rusedski should play DC. They are the best players after Murray.

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 01:40 PM
That's complete BS.

Rating systems work differently in England... and perhaps i was exagerating slightly, but i wouldn't class his groundies any much special than the 2.1s - 4.1's i've played.

Trust me, with height, a big serve and a decent volley together with the right tactical nouse you can go far in doubles.

TennisandMusic
09-19-2009, 01:54 PM
Admittedly Murray was wrong to point it during a game as it isn't his job, but it had been regular occurance and the GB team had made the umpire aware previously.

Never the less, this is just yet another chance to take a knock @ Murray the most loved to hate tennis players in the history of the game.

Dude, what? How old are you and how long have you been watching tennis? Tennis did not start in 2000...

Heck I don't think Murray is even the worst of this decade, nevermind the entire history of the game. Come on now...

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 01:55 PM
Dude, what? How old are you and how long have you been watching tennis? Tennis did not start in 2000...

Heck I don't think Murray is even the worst of this decade, nevermind the entire history of the game. Come on now...

Okay, let me rephrase that, the most loved to hate player in the history of TTW, with Hewitt being his closest challenger.

Cesc Fabregas
09-19-2009, 04:27 PM
Henman and Rusedski should play DC. They are the best players after Murray.

This is probably true. Dan Evans, Hutchins, Bogdanovic etc are all clowns. Complete wastes of space, I mean club players have better ground games than these jokers.

ubermeyer
09-19-2009, 04:34 PM
HEY. Not all Brits are like Andy Murray. I am nothing like him, and I have nice teeth. I brush thoroughly twice a day and floss once a day :)

haha you just proved his point. you brush twice a day??? I brush 4x a day: before and after breakfast, after school, and after dinner. I floss once a day after dinner. In fact, my dentist recommends brushing 5x a day... I'm american

ubermeyer
09-19-2009, 04:36 PM
Complete wastes of space, I mean club players have better ground games than these jokers.

this is also complete rubbish. let's see these club players even reach pre-qualifying at any of the Slams. heck, let's see them get a world ranking first.

Lionheart392
09-19-2009, 04:37 PM
haha you just proved his point. you brush twice a day??? I brush 4x a day: before and after breakfast, after school, and after dinner. I floss once a day after dinner. In fact, my dentist recommends brushing 5x a day... I'm american

I don't think anyone realistically should be expected to brush 5 times a day :shock:
In any case, mine look fine and my dentist said they're in great condition and my breath is fine. Twice a day is fine :)

tudwell
09-19-2009, 04:41 PM
I brush once a day and I've never had a cavity.

Lionheart392
09-19-2009, 04:44 PM
I brush once a day and I've never had a cavity.

I hope you at least have a large glass of water when you wake up to get rid of the dreaded 'morning breath' :)

ubermeyer
09-19-2009, 04:46 PM
I brush once a day and I've never had a cavity.

ONCE??? i'm sorry but that is just gross... i don't know how you keep those cavities off. maybe twice you MIGHT get by... but I don't think it's possible to brush only once a day and not get cavities, unless you are under 10 years old or not a human... you might be able to get by till you're 20 even, but then those cavities are gonna start coming

フェデラー
09-19-2009, 04:55 PM
i brush once a day and havent had a cavity my entire life. my dentist is baffled by how great my teeth are.

Gugafan
09-19-2009, 05:45 PM
This is probably true. Dan Evans, Hutchins, Bogdanovic etc are all clowns. Complete wastes of space, I mean club players have better ground games than these jokers.

Too right. Considering these players have some of the best LTA coaches around them they have not amounted to much. I bet some promising club player, if given the same facilities and luxury to play everyday would develop better groundstrokes than Evans, Bogdanovic etc.



this is also complete rubbish. let's see these club players even reach pre-qualifying at any of the Slams. heck, let's see them get a world ranking first.

Not everyone has the funding to try and grind it out on the tour. Most of the guys mentioned are probably from affluent backgrounds.

ONCE??? i'm sorry but that is just gross... i don't know how you keep those cavities off. maybe twice you MIGHT get by... but I don't think it's possible to brush only once a day and not get cavities, unless you are under 10 years old or not a human... you might be able to get by till you're 20 even, but then those cavities are gonna start coming

It's about the quality of brushing not necessarily the quantity. Infact overzelous brushing itself, can cause cavities.

nfor304
09-19-2009, 06:25 PM
ONCE??? i'm sorry but that is just gross... i don't know how you keep those cavities off. maybe twice you MIGHT get by... but I don't think it's possible to brush only once a day and not get cavities, unless you are under 10 years old or not a human... you might be able to get by till you're 20 even, but then those cavities are gonna start coming

The quality of your diet also greatly affects the condition of your teeth

BreakPoint
09-19-2009, 07:14 PM
Seriously though, Henman's probably still the 2nd best British tennis player. After him the corpse of Fred Perry is the British #3.
How about Greg Rusedski? :)

ClubHoUno
09-19-2009, 07:58 PM
The guy Murray was playing with, Hutchins, is a complete clown.

Then there are two of them, because Murray is the biggest clown ever in tennis history :oops:

trix123
09-19-2009, 08:14 PM
Poland should have kept the point

120mphBodyServe
09-19-2009, 08:46 PM
I brush my teeth every 2nd day and I still have all of my teeth.
It depends on how much junk you eat....

Oh and Murray isn't as classless as some of the players in the past.
He probably felt justified in calling out what might've been a clear foot fault, even from the other side of the court.

Lifted
09-19-2009, 09:58 PM
haha you just proved his point. you brush twice a day??? I brush 4x a day: before and after breakfast, after school, and after dinner. I floss once a day after dinner. In fact, my dentist recommends brushing 5x a day... I'm american

I brush my teeth twice a day (sometimes thrice) and my teeth are fine...I'm American...what's your point?

I don't think anyone realistically should be expected to brush 5 times a day :shock:
In any case, mine look fine and my dentist said they're in great condition and my breath is fine. Twice a day is fine :)

Twice is awesome! :)

Baikalic
09-20-2009, 12:49 AM
It's about the quality of brushing not necessarily the quantity. Infact overzelous brushing itself, can cause cavities.

I think this is true, I read in a biology textbook that there are also "beneficial bacteria" in the mouth, so overbrushing makes you more susceptible to infection unless you keep overbrushing.

Dutch-Guy
09-20-2009, 01:36 AM
Murray shouldn't have interfered with the play.

batz
09-20-2009, 02:34 AM
Murray shouldn't have interfered with the play.

Nope, he should just have ignored the fat that the guy's back foot was about 6inches over the centre line despite repeated requests to the umpire to sort it out. Spookily enough the Polish guy's ace rate went down after he had to serve from a legal position.

British tennis is an embrrassment. Cesc is right - they should draw straws between him, TM and myself to see who should be British number 2 in DC matches.

Hutchins was bloody awful too.

Evans will get podgered in the second rubber today.

Cesc Fabregas
09-20-2009, 03:13 AM
Nope, he should just have ignored the fat that the guy's back foot was about 6inches over the centre line despite repeated requests to the umpire to sort it out. Spookily enough the Polish guy's ace rate went down after he had to serve from a legal position.

British tennis is an embrrassment. Cesc is right - they should draw straws between him, TM and myself to see who should be British number 2 in DC matches.

Hutchins was bloody awful too.

Evans will get podgered in the second rubber today.

Evans was crapping himself yestarday, urging Murray and Hutchins to win because if they lost, its all down to him and we all know he'll lose.

batz
09-20-2009, 03:15 AM
Evans was crapping himself yestarday, urging Murray and Hutchins to win because if they lost, its all down to him and we all know he'll lose.

Sad but true mate, sad but true.

Not a bad couple of games for the Gooners there Cesc - done well to come back from the dissys in Manchester.

Ad****or - what a bawbag!

EDIT LOL you can't write Eebhey not even in a guy's name :)

Cesc Fabregas
09-20-2009, 03:16 AM
If Murray had a half decent doubles partner yestarday, GB would have won and would have the tie but Hutchins is a joke. 36 year old Henman should play instead of him

batz
09-20-2009, 03:19 AM
If Murray had a half decent doubles partner yestarday, GB would have won and would have the tie but Hutchins is a joke. 36 year old Henman should play instead of him

Rusedski asked to come out of retirement to play in the dubs for this tie - no kidding! Flossie knocked him back - I think Murray might well have knocked it back and Lloyd went with that.

Cesc Fabregas
09-20-2009, 03:19 AM
Sad but true mate, sad but true.

Not a bad couple of games for the Gooners there Cesc - done well to come back from the dissys in Manchester.

Ad****or - what a bawbag!

EDIT LOL you can't write Eebhey not even in a guy's name :)

Yeah thanks mate. Ad****or is a complete wanker. He did more running in his goal celebration than he did for us for the whole of last season.

Xenakis
09-20-2009, 04:02 AM
LOL Dan evans..Britans next big hope after Murray. The guy cant even hit a topspin backhand, slices everying.

I saw him in solihull town centre in Bham, a few weeks back. Apparently he was going to get lashed after an early exit at Washington. He's work ethic is definitely questionable.

(ahem, cough) Solihull is not in Birmingham.

Cesc Fabregas
09-20-2009, 09:55 AM
Dan Evans lost, no surprise there. He's a complete CLOWN.

Feña14
09-20-2009, 11:54 AM
Dan Evans lost, no surprise there. He's a complete CLOWN.

I hear we are now so low in the standings we are in the same group as the Vatican City! We'll probably lose to the Pope, a Cardinal and a couple of tourists :|

Nadalfan89
09-20-2009, 12:02 PM
Why are British people so terrible at tennis? You would think it would be something they excel in...

aphex
09-20-2009, 12:20 PM
Why are British people so terrible at tennis? You would think it would be something they excel in...

not as bad as greece:oops::oops:

highest ranked greek player is like 400

settolove
09-20-2009, 12:48 PM
Why are British people so terrible at tennis? You would think it would be something they excel in...

Because out of a population of 60million and rising, there are about 35,000 people who play tennis on a regular basis. This is much smaller than the millions who play football, rugby and cricket each weekend. Tennis is a minority sport, hence you don't find a lot of people who excel at it. There are probably a great many people that would excel at tennis if they were given the opportunity but Tennis also is not taught in schools on anywhere near the same level of the other major sports. So we don't find these talents. Or if there are any talents the lta system completely destroys them.

sureshs
09-20-2009, 12:59 PM
ONCE??? i'm sorry but that is just gross... i don't know how you keep those cavities off. maybe twice you MIGHT get by... but I don't think it's possible to brush only once a day and not get cavities, unless you are under 10 years old or not a human... you might be able to get by till you're 20 even, but then those cavities are gonna start coming

For a long time, I only brushed once a day and never got cavities. Nowadays I brush twice a day and have my teeth cleaned once a year. I also use mouthwash after the second brushing. Once a week I use an electric toothbrush.

Feña14
09-20-2009, 01:07 PM
Why are British people so terrible at tennis? You would think it would be something they excel in...

People here play football, it's a religion. When you see matches like Man Utd v Man City and Chelsea v Tottenham today, people have no need to look towards tennis. The only time people here play is when Wimbledon is here and the football season is over.

The ones who don't get football all love cricket or rugby. I'm a big tennis fan myself but it's behind football and cricket for me.

grafselesfan
09-20-2009, 01:10 PM
Tim Henman should come out of retirement just for Davis Cup every year. At any age he is better than the clowns the team assembles around Murray. I dont even like Murray and I feel sorry for him around now.

Cesc Fabregas
09-20-2009, 01:14 PM
Tim Henman should come out of retirement just for Davis Cup every year. At any age he is better than the clowns the team assembles around Murray. I dont even like Murray and I feel sorry for him around now.

I totally agree. Evans, Hutchins, Bogdanovic, Goodall etc are complete jokes, they are a waste of space. I wouldn't blame Andy Murray if he quit DC, because it is a complete waste of time. Evans' performace today was a complete disgrace, he got hammered by some Polish guy, who is a clown aswell.

grafselesfan
09-20-2009, 01:17 PM
I totally agree. Evans, Hutchins, Bogdanovic, Goodall etc are complete jokes, they are a waste of space. I wouldn't blame Andy Murray if he quit DC, because it is a complete waste of time. Evans' performace today was a complete disgrace, he got hammered by some Polish guy, who is a clown aswell.

Good gawd I just hear those names and I cringe. I cant imagine any of them are regulars on the ATP tour (meaning playing more main draws than satelites and qualifiers). I remember several years ago watching Federer play some other guy I had never heard of in a tie vs Britian and nearly winning in a triple bagel. Did this Evans guy even look like he was giving a real effort in losing to his fellow unknown.

It is hilarious Roger thinks he has it so tough with Wawrinka (a very solid and capable player) and Almagro (a very good doubles player).

Cesc Fabregas
09-20-2009, 01:23 PM
Good gawd I just hear those names and I cringe. I cant imagine any of them are regulars on the ATP tour (meaning playing more main draws than satelites and qualifiers). I remember several years ago watching Federer play some other guy I had never heard of in a tie vs Britian and nearly winning in a triple bagel. Did this Evans guy even look like he was giving a real effort in losing to his fellow unknown.

It is hilarious Roger thinks he has it so tough with Wawrinka (a very solid and capable player) and Almagro (a very good doubles player).

Exactly! And take into account guys like Becker and Borg won DC single handedly, *******s always pull out the excuse about Federer's davis cup team sucking, if Roger is as good as they say he should be able to.

grafselesfan
09-20-2009, 01:26 PM
Exactly! And take into account guys like Becker and Borg won DC single handedly, *******s always pull out the excuse about Federer's davis cup team sucking, if Roger is as good as they say he should be able to.

I dont think Federer fails when he does play very often in Davis Cup though. He did in 2003 when he blew a big lead to his pigeon Hewitt in the semis, and Australia went on to win the Cup but that is pretty much all I can think of. He simply doesnt even try most times. He usually skips the main group bracket matches and only shows up to save them in the relegation ties to keep them in the main group. It is really a waste. Wawrinka is good enough to give them a chance with Federer but unlike Federer he isnt going to be able to ever do it on his own, but if you added Federer now they could be a big contender. His attitude of continuing to bail on them sucks and there is no excuse for it.

aphex
09-20-2009, 01:34 PM
Exactly! And take into account guys like Becker and Borg won DC single handedly, *******s always pull out the excuse about Federer's davis cup team sucking, if Roger is as good as they say he should be able to.

you are the definition of a troll.

iriraz
09-20-2009, 01:37 PM
At the moment it makes no sense really for Murray to join the team in group 2 playing in Algeria,Egypt,Montenegro or who knows where.
Also i think in group 2 they have to play more then once a year to have a shot in coming back to group 1.
At least in that zone the british guys should be able to gather a couple of wins here and there against similar low ranked opponents.Without Murray in the team they could make a few experiments.In the end how worse can it go?

Cesc Fabregas
09-20-2009, 01:40 PM
you are the definition of a troll.

No that would be you.

bigserver
09-20-2009, 01:43 PM
the younger guys need a chance to gain some experience and play at their own level. maybe once they have done this they will be able to compete in the higher groups. it comes down to experience and match practice which our guys are lacking.

iriraz
09-20-2009, 01:44 PM
I dont think Federer fails when he does play very often in Davis Cup though. He did in 2003 when he blew a big lead to his pigeon Hewitt in the semis, and Australia went on to win the Cup but that is pretty much all I can think of. He simply doesnt even try most times. He usually skips the main group bracket matches and only shows up to save them in the relegation ties to keep them in the main group. It is really a waste. Wawrinka is good enough to give them a chance with Federer but unlike Federer he isnt going to be able to ever do it on his own, but if you added Federer now they could be a big contender. His attitude of continuing to bail on them sucks and there is no excuse for it.

Federer`s last loss in Davis Cup came against Hewitt but to be honest the Swiss wouldn`t have won the tie anyways.Doubtfully that Kratochvil would have beaten Philippoussis then.
Also it`s unlikely to see Federer play a complete Davis Cup season.The way Davis Cup is scheduled he has to play before the masters series events,after wimbledon,after us open and after masters cup.Not a lot of rest for someone who gets deep in those tourneys.
Also u have to take in account that he probably has to go from one continent to another in a week like this time.It worked against Italy but imagine if they draw Argentina or Chile to play away.It would be a struggle

aphex
09-20-2009, 01:50 PM
No that would be you.

oh, you win.

muppet.

jamesblakefan#1
09-20-2009, 05:12 PM
Exactly! And take into account guys like Becker and Borg won DC single handedly, *******s always pull out the excuse about Federer's davis cup team sucking, if Roger is as good as they say he should be able to.

Federer's Davis Cup record has been nothing short of great. It's a TEAM competition, which means you can't fault Federer for his teammates' shortcomings. Wawrinka only recently put his act together to even be a top 20 player, prior to last year he wasn't even a top 30 guy IIRC. And even now he's still inconsistent, losing to 45 year old Lapentti (slight exaggeration) in USO 1st round. So don't make Stan out to be some giant killer who Fed could carry to a DC title.

BreakPoint
09-20-2009, 06:22 PM
It is hilarious Roger thinks he has it so tough with Wawrinka (a very solid and capable player) and Almagro (a very good doubles player).
You mean Allegro.

Almagro is a clay court specialist from Spain. :)

NamRanger
09-20-2009, 07:07 PM
ONCE??? i'm sorry but that is just gross... i don't know how you keep those cavities off. maybe twice you MIGHT get by... but I don't think it's possible to brush only once a day and not get cavities, unless you are under 10 years old or not a human... you might be able to get by till you're 20 even, but then those cavities are gonna start coming



It depends. Some people have great oral genetics. Some people innately have stronger teeth than others.

darthpwner
09-20-2009, 07:12 PM
Well Murray has pretty bad eyesight. When Brad Gilbert coached him, Brad said Andy needed glasses because his % of correct Hawkeye challenges was 25%.