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Nadalfan89
09-19-2009, 12:10 PM
We all know that Murray is the most hyped player on tour. He didn't even make a GS final this year despite the hype though. What do you think his results will be this year?

I personally don't think he'll make a semi-final all year. He might pick up a couple three set tournements but that's it.

federerfanatic
09-19-2009, 12:11 PM
Australian Open- semis
French Open- round of 16
Wimbledon- round of 16
U.S Open- quarters

Breaker
09-19-2009, 12:14 PM
Aussie Open quarterfinal
RG R16
US Open semi.

Wimbledon CHAMPION

Start the presses.

Nadalfan89
09-19-2009, 12:16 PM
Aussie Open quarterfinal
RG R16
US Open semi.

Wimbledon CHAMPION

Start the presses.

Would you be willing to put money on that?

I didn't think so.

Telepatic
09-19-2009, 12:17 PM
I think he can only win a GS on a HC.

tudwell
09-19-2009, 12:17 PM
Australian Open - Win
French Open - Win
Wimbledon - Win
U.S. Open - Win

フェデラー
09-19-2009, 12:20 PM
^^ You sir are an idiot.

All-rounder
09-19-2009, 12:21 PM
Aussie Open quarterfinal
RG R16
US Open semi.

Wimbledon CHAMPION

Start the presses.

With Nadal and Federer you can forget it

Breaker
09-19-2009, 12:21 PM
Would you be willing to put money on that?

I didn't think so.

I will be putting money on it.

I'll certainly be more confident with that than putting money on him not making a slam semi :oops:

federerfanatic
09-19-2009, 12:21 PM
With Nadal and Federer you can forget it

Dont forget Roddick who beat Murray at Wimbledon this year.

フェデラー
09-19-2009, 12:25 PM
plus there are all of those funny grass specialists like Haas, Kohl, Murray lucked out this year.

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 12:34 PM
Its funny, when a mans down how people can't help but kick him, but once he starts winning Masters Series again; people will begin to talk up the hype.

Murray can still out play anyone on a hardcourt when on song baring perhaps Federer. He went in against Cilic with the wrong tactics, everyone knows he can play offensive when he wants, i don't think he'll make the same mistake in future. The coaches will sort it.

My predictions....

Australian Open - Winner
French Open - Quarter Finalist
Wimbledon - Semi Finalist
US Open - Finalist

Augustus
09-19-2009, 12:39 PM
Murray will win at least two more Masters titles, probably all on hardcourt, and some other three set tournaments like Doha and Queens. He has no chance at the French, too much pressure at Wimbledon, so IF he wins a Slam it will be at the Australian Open (I think Federer will get the USO back).
I don't really like Murray, but he has a legit shot at the AO if he plays a little bit more agressive...

Feņa14
09-19-2009, 12:45 PM
Most hyped player on tour, says who?

Elegant_Roger
09-19-2009, 12:47 PM
Best of 3 set Masters:

Rogers Cup - Winner
Miami - Winner

Grand Slams
AO - 1/16
French Open - 1/32 (walkover over Donald Young in 1rst round)
Wimbledon - QFs
U.S. Open - QFs

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 12:50 PM
Most hyped player on tour, says who?

Nadal fans are outraged @ how legendary pro's such as Agassi, Mcenroe and co are continuously tipping Murray for grandslams over their beloved one. So, therefore, in their World he is over hyped.

He's won 2 Masters Series Events, 1 ATP 250 Event, reached the Quaters of the French, Semi's of Wimbledon and the round of 16 of each of his so called more suited grandslam events and hes had a bad year apparently.

usmeagle91
09-19-2009, 12:54 PM
:):)Maybe with less hype he'll do better?

Of course, I'm drunk as hell so maybe not

jonnythan
09-19-2009, 12:54 PM
Nadal fans are outraged @ how legendary pro's such as Agassi, Mcenroe and co are continuously tipping Murray for grandslams over their beloved one. So, therefore, in their World he is over hyped.

Well, Nadal has six titles and Murray has zero...

jamesblakefan#1
09-19-2009, 12:58 PM
Murray will win Wimbledon.

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 01:00 PM
Well, Nadal has six titles and Murray has zero...

Try and note all the grandslams Murray's has been tipped for have been slams other than the French Open. So it'd be fair to say Nadal has 2 titles when drawing upon the "whos favourite" comparisions.

Given Nadal is a clay court specialist (brilliant on other surfaces as well i know) its not hard to imagine highly knowledgeable pro's would foresee Murray as a greater challenger to Rafa on hardcourt surface slams, given his track record.

Its also not Murray's fault he keeps being tipped for stardom, all he's doing is going about his own business winning Masters Series.

jonnythan
09-19-2009, 01:02 PM
Try and note all the grandslams Murray's has been tipped for have been slams other than the French Open. So it'd be fair to say Nadal has 2 titles when drawing upon the "whos favourite" comparisions.

Given Nadal is a clay court specialist (brilliant on other surfaces as well i know) its not hard to imagine highly knowledgeable pro's would foresee Murray as a greater challenger to Rafa on hardcourt surface slams, given his track record.

Its also not Murray's fault he keeps being tipped for stardom, all he's doing is going about his own business winning Masters Series.

2 is still more than 0 ;)

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 01:05 PM
2 is still more than 0 ;)

I'm not here to sit with you and have school playground banter over whos the bestest of the best because they bested @ more of the bestest grandslam events.

I'm simply trying to make you all see that it wasn't in actual fact... hype .... as a lot of dim people on this board like to call it. Commentators were witnessing Murray's potential and couldn't see anything stopping him on his all favourite hardcourt surface.

sdont
09-19-2009, 01:29 PM
I'm not here to sit with you and have school playground banter over whos the bestest of the best because they bested @ more of the bestest grandslam events.

I'm simply trying to make you all see that it wasn't in actual fact... hype .... as a lot of dim people on this board like to call it. Commentators were witnessing Murray's potential and couldn't see anything stopping him on his all favourite hardcourt surface.

How do you define hype?

You have to realize that Murray has been considered as possibly the best HC player for quite some time but in the end, Nadal has been the most successful player on this surface this year until now, with Fed a close second, and Del Potro just took the third place with his USO win. Murray is still ahead of Djokovic though, but considering his latest results I think Djoko is finally getting out of his slump and could catch up with Murray before the end of the year.

Btw, how do you analyze the fact that Murray's worst runs at slams this year happened on HC?

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 01:42 PM
You have to realize that Murray has been considered as possibly the best HC player for quite some time but in the end, Nadal has been the most successful player on this surface this year until now, with Fed a close second, and Del Potro just took the third place with his USO win. Murray is still ahead of Djokovic though, but considering his latest results I think Djoko is finally getting out of his slump and could catch up with Murray before the end of the year.

Btw, how do you analyze the fact that Murray's worst runs at slams this year happened on HC?

I have to disagree.

Lets say Grandslam hardcourt wins are valued @ 5 points and Masters series shields are valued @ 4... with 500's @ 3 ... 250 @ 1

Murray's Hardcourt record in 2009

ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada (Outdoor/Hard) - 4 points
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Miami (Outdoor/Hard) - 4 points
Rotterdam (Indoor/Hard) - 1 point
Doha (Outdoor/Hard) - 1 point

Total 10 points

Nadal Hardcourt record in 2009

With this a final @ the 2009 (1) ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells (Outdoor/Hard)

^Where he lost to Nadal due to extremely windy conditions. (But never mind that anyway)

Australian Open (Outdoor/Hard) - 5 points
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells (Outdoor/Hard) - 4 points

Total 9 points

Reached the Rotterdam final (Indoor/Hard) - Where he lost to Murray in 3 sets

HEAD TO HEAD ON HARDCOURT THIS YEARS 1-1

Del Potro's Hardcourt record in 2009

US Open (Outdoor/Hard) - 5 points
Washington (Outdoor/Hard) - 3 points
Auckland (Outdoor/Hard) - 2 points

Total 10 points

Also reached the final of the 2009 (1) ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada (Outdoor/Hard)

federerfanatic
09-19-2009, 01:45 PM
I honestly think it is too early to tell who was the best hard court player of the year. It is too close between all of Federer, Del Potro, Nadal, even Murray (though hard to give it to Murray with round of 16 losses in both slams). The end of the year will tell who that is.

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 01:50 PM
Federer's Hardcourt record in 2009

ATP World Tour Masters 1000 - 5 points

But he reached 2 of the hardcourt grandslam finals losing 2 very closely fought 5 set thrillers. That in itself deserves atleast several points.

IvanAndreevich
09-19-2009, 01:51 PM
I have to disagree.

Lets say Grandslam hardcourt wins are valued @ 5 points and Masters series shields are valued @ 4... with 500's @ 3 ... 250 @ 1

Murray's Hardcourt record in 2009

ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada (Outdoor/Hard) - 4 points
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Miami (Outdoor/Hard) - 4 points
Rotterdam (Indoor/Hard) - 1 point
Doha (Outdoor/Hard) - 1 point

Total 10 points

Nadal Hardcourt record in 2009

With this a final @ the 2009 (1) ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells (Outdoor/Hard)

^Where he lost to Nadal due to extremely windy conditions. (But never mind that anyway)

Australian Open (Outdoor/Hard) - 5 points
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells (Outdoor/Hard) - 4 points

Total 9 points

Reached the Rotterdam final (Indoor/Hard) - Where he lost to Murray in 3 sets

HEAD TO HEAD ON HARDCOURT THIS YEARS 1-1

Del Potro's Hardcourt record in 2009

US Open (Outdoor/Hard) - 5 points
Washington (Outdoor/Hard) - 3 points
Auckland (Outdoor/Hard) - 2 points

Total 10 points

Also reached the final of the 2009 (1) ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada (Outdoor/Hard)

How about GS's are 2000 points, so that's double MS's and not 1/4 more? Your value system is completely pulled out of the ***.

sdont
09-19-2009, 01:54 PM
I have to disagree.

Lets say Grandslam hardcourt wins are valued @ 5 points and Masters series shields are valued @ 4... with 500's @ 3 ... 250 @ 1

Murray's Hardcourt record in 2009

ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada (Outdoor/Hard) - 4 points
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Miami (Outdoor/Hard) - 4 points
Rotterdam (Indoor/Hard) - 1 point
Doha (Outdoor/Hard) - 1 point

Total 10 points

Nadal Hardcourt record in 2009

With this a final @ the 2009 (1) ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells (Outdoor/Hard)

^Where he lost to Nadal due to extremely windy conditions. (But never mind that anyway)

Australian Open (Outdoor/Hard) - 5 points
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells (Outdoor/Hard) - 4 points

Total 9 points

Reached the Rotterdam final (Indoor/Hard) - Where he lost to Murray in 3 sets

HEAD TO HEAD ON HARDCOURT THIS YEARS 1-1

Del Potro's Hardcourt record in 2009

US Open (Outdoor/Hard) - 5 points
Washington (Outdoor/Hard) - 3 points
Auckland (Outdoor/Hard) - 2 points

Total 10 points

Also reached the final of the 2009 (1) ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada (Outdoor/Hard)

Why draw arbitrary points out of your hat when the ATP provides the ranking points?

I mean, come on, basically with your system, Federer was a nobody on HC this year...

Btw, there's something wrong with your points. Del Potro earns 2 for Auckland? What kind of tournament is it in your system? Neither 250 nor 500...

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 01:57 PM
How about GS's are 2000 points, so that's double MS's and not 1/4 more? Your value system is completely pulled out of the ***.

What would seem fair in your view then?

2000 - 20 points
1000 - 10 points
500 - 5 points
250 - 2.5 points

Murray = 2 masters series and 2 250 events = 25 points
Nadal = 1 slam and 1 masters series = 30 points
Del Potro = 1 slam, 1 500 event and 1 250 event = 27.5
Federer = 1 masters event and 2 grandslam finals losing in 5 sets @ each = 27.5 points?

Nadal - 30
Federer - 27.5
Del Potro - 27.5
Murray - 25

So Nadal comes out on top going with your system. Debateable, huh?

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 01:58 PM
Why draw arbitrary points out of your hat when the ATP provides the ranking points?

I mean, come on, basically with your system, Federer was a nobody on HC this year...

I didn't know the ATP provide a ranking points system soley devoted to hardcourt events... news to me?

sdont
09-19-2009, 02:02 PM
Federer's Hardcourt record in 2009

ATP World Tour Masters 1000 - 5 points

But he reached 2 of the hardcourt grandslam finals losing 2 very closely fought 5 set thrillers. That in itself deserves atleast several points.

Hey, seems even yourself is realizing the failure in your system!

sdont
09-19-2009, 02:03 PM
I didn't know the ATP provide a ranking points system soley devoted to hardcourt events... news to me?

Well it's available only to those who can make additions on their own. ;)

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 02:12 PM
Hey, seems even yourself is realizing the failure in your system!

I could quite easily spend more time on it and give points for runner up places.

Hey, i might just do that

Runner ups

2000 - 10 points
1000 - 5 points
500 - 2.5 points
250 - 1.75

Federer - Runner up in 2 slams = 20 points
Murray - Runner up in a masters series = 5 points
Del Potro - Runner up in a masters series = 5 points
Nadal - Runner up in a 250 event = 1.75 points

Adding that to......

Nadal - 30
Del Potro - 27.5
Murray - 25
Federer - 10

GRAND TOTAL!
Del Potro = 32.5
Nadal = 31.75
Federer = 30
Murray = 30

Hardly anything between them all.

sdont
09-19-2009, 02:24 PM
I could quite easily spend more time on it and give points for runner up places.

Hey, i might just do that

Runner ups

2000 - 10 points
1000 - 5 points
500 - 2.5 points
250 - 1.75

Federer - Runner up in 2 slams = 20 points
Murray - Runner up in a masters series = 5 points
Del Potro - Runner up in a masters series = 5 points
Nadal - Runner up in a 250 event = 1.75 points

Adding that to......

Nadal - 30
Del Potro - 27.5
Murray - 25
Federer - 10

GRAND TOTAL!
Del Potro = 32.5
Nadal = 31.75
Federer = 30
Murray = 30

Hardly anything between them all.

Let's agree to disagree then, but please stop messing with maths. I mean, since when 1.75 is the half of 2.5? :shock:

If you want to know, I've based my own HC rankings by adding the ATP points of each player for the mandatory HC tournaments of 2009 (that is HC slams and Masters 1000). And I got:

1. Nadal 4400pts
2. Federer 4300pts
3. Del Potro 3600pts
4. Murray 3320pts
5. Djoko 2640pts

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 02:28 PM
Let's agree to disagree then, but please stop messing with maths. I mean, since when 1.75 is the half of 2.5? :shock:

If you want to know, I've based my own HC rankings by adding the ATP points of each player for the mandatory HC tournaments of 2009 (that is HC slams and Masters 1000). And I got:

1. Nadal 4400pts
2. Federer 4300pts
3. Del Potro 3600pts
4. Murray 3320pts
5. Djoko 2640pts

1.25

Thats embarrassing :D Its been a tiresome day.

My system was fairly reflectant of your atp points generator.

Tennis_Maestro
09-19-2009, 02:32 PM
Btw, why aern't we counting the 500 and 250 events here?

flyinghippos101
09-19-2009, 02:37 PM
Honest prediction

AO: WIN
French: R16
Wimbledon: QF
US OPEN: SF

Murray is too good a player to NOT win a grand slam anytime soon

sdont
09-19-2009, 02:50 PM
Btw, why aern't we counting the 500 and 250 events here?

Mostly out of laziness, because I don't remember for all of those events if they were played on HC or not. But also because since they are not mandatory, the top players do not enter each and every one of them, thus it's very rare to have the full field of top players in one of them.

Dutch-Guy
09-20-2009, 12:19 AM
AO-semis
RG: 1/4
Wimby:semis
USO:finalist

Spider
09-20-2009, 02:45 AM
AO: Winner
RG: Semi Finalist
Wimbledon: Winner / Runner up
US open: Winner

Murray will have a lot better year than Nadal, that's for sure.

GoDawgs2011
09-20-2009, 08:09 AM
Nadal fans are outraged @ how legendary pro's such as Agassi, Mcenroe and co are continuously tipping Murray for grandslams over their beloved one. So, therefore, in their World he is over hyped.

He's won 2 Masters Series Events, 1 ATP 250 Event, reached the Quaters of the French, Semi's of Wimbledon and the round of 16 of each of his so called more suited grandslam events and hes had a bad year apparently.

Imagine how Federer feels when he makes it to the finals of every GS (2 sets away from a Calendar slam) and yet people start asking if he'll ever win another major again...

maddogz32
09-20-2009, 06:19 PM
not even a final in 2010

rafa all the way