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OddJack
10-10-2009, 07:38 AM
For the first time last USO I was actually watching WTA matches. I throughly enjoyed watching Clijsters beat Serena. But what if she was facing a man instead of a Sheman? What ranking could she beat? I say it would be somewhere around 500.

helloworld
10-10-2009, 07:41 AM
For the first time last USO I was actually watching WTA matches. I throughly enjoyed watching Clijsters beat Serena. But what if she was facing a man instead of a Sheman? What ranking could she beat? I say it would be somewhere around 500.

A player ranked 500 in the ATP will slaughter any WTA player. I'd say #1 WTA Safina will have a 'chance' against someone ranked outside the top 1000.

grafselesfan
10-10-2009, 07:44 AM
A player ranked 500 in the ATP will slaughter any WTA player. I'd say #1 WTA Safina will have a 'chance' against someone ranked outside the top 1000.

Forget rankings, Safina is clearly not the best women player in the World. It wouldnt make much difference probably but you might as well use Serena in this case.

jamesblakefan#1
10-10-2009, 07:53 AM
Well, let's see...

World #621, Dusan Vemic, recently beat Gasquet in Qualies in New Haven, and is a top 70 player in doubles, so that takes anything above 600 out of play...

World #708, Bohdan Ulihrach, was as high as #22 in his playing days, and beat Sampras twice, including once on HC. So that puts the 700s in tough range.

World #922 Ross Hutchins recently played in DC for GBR (albeit not well - but probably better than any WTA player would have done)

World #989 Nenad Zimonjic is a top doubles player, so obviously he has skills...

It depends on matchup, of course, but it's hard for me to see any WTA player beating a man in the top 1000, unless the guy has a really bad day serving and off the ground.

Serendipitous
10-10-2009, 07:57 AM
grafselesfan+CescFabregas+ksbh+Serendipitous = The jamesblakefan#1 fan club! :D



It depends if we're talking about a best of 3 set match or best of 5.


Stamina-wise, the WTA player may eventually get really tired. :cry:

federer envies me
10-10-2009, 07:58 AM
Any highly ranked high school player or above can beat a top ranked women. When the women were in cincinnati Safina hit with my coach and he beat her easily in straights. Another kid at my club, a decently ranked sophomore in high school, lost to Wozniacki 3 and 3

jamesblakefan#1
10-10-2009, 07:59 AM
grafselesfan+CescFabregas+ksbh+Serendipitous = The jamesblakefan#1 fan club! :D

I changed it! :lol:

Serendipitous
10-10-2009, 08:02 AM
Oh, that's funny. :D

JeMar
10-10-2009, 08:21 AM
Over 9000.



Sorry.

DarthFed
10-10-2009, 09:11 AM
Over 9000.



Sorry.

How did that meme even find it's way here lmao.

Ledigs
10-10-2009, 10:14 AM
Don't know this is even a thread. Physically there are many thousands of men who are stronger than the strongest woman. Strength alone will help beat a woman.

This is why wta and ATP are separate.

To be top woman in the world is to beat every ( or almost every) woman which is incredible.

Facing a mans serve ( and height and muscle gives men a huge advantage) doesn't really say much about tennis talent. Also height makes it harder to hit flat and hard and still be consistent over the net.

Why are Venus and serena at top at older age (it's muscle and height)

Jason Vorhees
10-10-2009, 10:33 AM
It's Over 9000!!!:)


WHAT!!!!! 9000, that's impossible.

Jason Vorhees
10-10-2009, 10:34 AM
Serena williams beat roddick 6-4 6-1

jamesblakefan#1
10-10-2009, 10:36 AM
Serena williams beat roddick 6-4 6-1

Yeah, Roddick was 11 at the time. :-?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article5566800.ece

Jason Vorhees
10-10-2009, 10:38 AM
Yeah, Roddick was 11 at the time. :-?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article5566800.ece

Serena williams didn't really care about the age (she said somewhere that she would probably beat him sometimes nowadays).

jamesblakefan#1
10-10-2009, 10:43 AM
Nine-times tennis grand slam winner Serena Williams is still proud of defeating Andy Roddick in a one-set practice match when she was 11.

"My greatest match ... was when I was younger and I beat Andy Roddick. He'll hate me for saying that," Williams joked after beating Gisela Dulko 6-3 7-5 in the second round of the Australian Open.

The 27-year-old Williams said the age difference, she is 11 months older than the men's seventh seed, was not a factor in her victory and the score was still in dispute.

"It doesn't matter. Age doesn't matter," she said smiling.

"There's an argument about the score. I think I beat him like 6-1. He says it was 6-4.

"He always says he's ready for a rematch but there's no need for a rematch."

Roddick, when questioned about the loss after his straight sets win over Tommy Robredo yesterday, saw the humour of the comments.

"She forgets to mention that it was 1993 ... we were 10, and I had to literally run around in the shower to get wet,'' Roddick told the press conference.

"I was [as skinny as a finger] and she was bench pressing dump trucks already at that time. I told her that yesterday, and she got a good laugh."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/809675

ubermeyer
10-10-2009, 10:45 AM
There should be an option for: "None." I do not believe in a serious match that the best ever WTA player in her prime could ever beat the lowest ranked person on the circuit. Obviously, if the pro plays a young junior who goes on to become ranked in the ATP but isn't currently ranked, or a former pro who is no longer ranked, then it would probably be different

Jason Vorhees
10-10-2009, 10:47 AM
There should be an option for: "None." I do not believe in a serious match that the best ever WTA player in her prime could ever beat the lowest ranked person on the circuit. Obviously, if the pro plays a young junior who goes on to become ranked in the ATP but isn't currently ranked, or a former pro who is no longer ranked, then it would probably be different

If you are right, then there is no getting away from the fact that womens tennis is at an all-time low. Thankfully, mens tennis is still going strong.

Nalbandian great
10-11-2009, 09:33 AM
Serena can kill any men linesman

Claudius
10-11-2009, 09:43 AM
Quite simply...no one.

Jason Vorhees
10-11-2009, 10:39 AM
I would beat Serena.

mzzmuaa
10-11-2009, 10:44 AM
Well, what are the problems?
Tactically, I'd say the top women can compete with the rank 100+ men. That's a bit sexist though, because tactics are heavily dependent on intelligence and emotional control.
If we base everything on muscular strength, which plays a huge role in spin, pace and running speed, then the women will need half-men anomalies like Serena to compete with the most poorly ranked men.
So if we can find someone who has the same explosive muscle fibers, which generate pace, spin and running speed, in the women's draw and put her against a potentially weaker ATP pro, then I'd conclude that women are lacking in the mental department as well.
Not sure what my point is, but I'll post anyways

Jason Vorhees
10-11-2009, 10:46 AM
But muscle means nothing. Gulbis,blake, roddick (younger days) hit very hard but aren't as muscly as the likes of andreev or nadal.

Women just aren't as good as men at the moment. PERIOD

kOaMaster
10-11-2009, 11:21 AM
in a sport that's so heavily concentrated on power, most women just have no chance vs men.

I'm not sure though whether players like hingis, henin would get bagelled vs someone ~500 in the atp.
I was watching a couple of hopman cup-games through all the years and sometimes it was not clearly the women that has been targeted.

some players can manage the power shots of serena/venus nowadays, why shouldn't they be able to do so vs a mediocre atp player? the gap between 1 and 1000 is HUGE (and 1000 is still good, but you do not often see that except live on lower tournaments).

I would NOT choose serena or any hard hitter in the field to compete vs any men.

jserve
10-11-2009, 12:13 PM
Well at this point in the poll I have come to the conclusion that 65% of TT members are sane.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-11-2009, 12:37 PM
For the first time last USO I was actually watching WTA matches. I throughly enjoyed watching Clijsters beat Serena. But what if she was facing a man instead of a Sheman? What ranking could she beat? I say it would be somewhere around 500.


I will tell you this, a guy in his 20`s ranked 1500 in the world would E A S I L Y beat Serena! I would bet my car on it!!
I am unranked since 2004 and i would really fancy my chanses vs Serena on my favourite-surface

skyzoo
10-11-2009, 12:58 PM
I will tell you this, a guy in his 20`s ranked 1500 in the world would E A S I L Y beat Serena! I would bet my car on it!!
I am unranked since 2004 and i would really fancy my chanses vs Serena on my favourite-surface
I'd enjoy seeing this match, your chances would be pretty good. When and where can I set this match-up ?

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-11-2009, 01:02 PM
I'd enjoy seeing this match, your chances would be pretty good. When and where can I set this match-up ?
Well youd have too ask Serena about that! Im ready:twisted:

Claudius
10-11-2009, 01:34 PM
Well, what are the problems?
Tactically, I'd say the top women can compete with the rank 100+ men. That's a bit sexist though, because tactics are heavily dependent on intelligence and emotional control.
If we base everything on muscular strength, which plays a huge role in spin, pace and running speed, then the women will need half-men anomalies like Serena to compete with the most poorly ranked men.
So if we can find someone who has the same explosive muscle fibers, which generate pace, spin and running speed, in the women's draw and put her against a potentially weaker ATP pro, then I'd conclude that women are lacking in the mental department as well.
Not sure what my point is, but I'll post anyways

Serena Williams will either get bageled or breadsticked by ATP pros ranked in the 1000s.

SerbWhoLovesDelPo
10-11-2009, 01:41 PM
She can probably lose to ATP players ranked below 1000.

AJK1
10-11-2009, 09:09 PM
There's probably a million players in the world who can beat the top WTA.

grafselesfan
10-11-2009, 09:13 PM
There should be an option for: "None." I do not believe in a serious match that the best ever WTA player in her prime could ever beat the lowest ranked person on the circuit.

It would be interesting to see Steffi Graf in her prime go up against the lowest ranked man on the circuit.

nfor304
10-11-2009, 09:30 PM
Maybe Serena could beat a journeyman doubles player who is unranked in singles... or a 17 year old player who has a single ATP point and spends most of their time trying to qualify. But I doubt she would beat any full time pro, including futures players ranked around 1000.

jserve
10-11-2009, 10:41 PM
Well I'm losing more faith in TT members. Last time I checked 65% of TT members have a clue. Now its down to 58%.

sureshs
10-12-2009, 06:49 AM
There was a video of a D1 male college player being thoroughly manhandled by Jelena Jankovic.

I would say a top WTA player would beat any ATP player beyond the top 30. I would not be surprised if they even beat Federer once in a while because their backhands are much more consistent than his.

NamRanger
10-12-2009, 08:30 AM
There was a video of a D1 male college player being thoroughly manhandled by Jelena Jankovic.

I would say a top WTA player would beat any ATP player beyond the top 30. I would not be surprised if they even beat Federer once in a while because their backhands are much more consistent than his.




LOL "thoroughly manhandled". I seriously hope you don't rely on evidence that was obviously biasedly spun.

Ledigs
10-12-2009, 08:42 AM
It's not about men being "better". It's just about physical ability and women cannot help that they are not as physically strong as men. Saying WTA women aren't "good" when they are better than all of the other women in the entire world is pretty stupid.

OliverSimon
10-12-2009, 10:25 AM
Serena can kill any men linesman

Serena can kill anyone

Claudius
10-12-2009, 10:32 AM
There was a video of a D1 male college player being thoroughly manhandled by Jelena Jankovic.

I would say a top WTA player would beat any ATP player beyond the top 30. I would not be surprised if they even beat Federer once in a while because their backhands are much more consistent than his.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

jserve
10-12-2009, 10:33 AM
There was a video of a D1 male college player being thoroughly manhandled by Jelena Jankovic.

I would say a top WTA player would beat any ATP player beyond the top 30. I would not be surprised if they even beat Federer once in a while because their backhands are much more consistent than his.

I sincerely hope your not serious. First off the video is a hitting session where the D1 player was asked to help Jankovic. If he played all out and hit huge lefty serves that were unreturnable it wouldn't have been an effective practice so he held back.

Federer losing to a WTA player? Nope. Not gonna happen. Not ever.

statto
10-12-2009, 10:40 AM
Has Federer ever beaten someone 6-0 6-0 6-0 in a tournament? That's who the top women should be looking for, because no-one who can take even a few games off Fed is going to be troubled by anyone on the WTA.

I'm not sure what rank we're talking but it's well in excess of 1000.

Stefan83
10-12-2009, 10:58 AM
In 1998 at the Australian Open, Serena and Venus said that they could beat any male ranked around 200, so Karsten Braasch (No. 203) took the challenge and he easily beat Serena 6-1 and then Venus 6-2 and he was only half trying.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html

Joe Pike
10-12-2009, 11:09 AM
For the first time last USO I was actually watching WTA matches. I throughly enjoyed watching Clijsters beat Serena. But what if she was facing a man instead of a Sheman? What ranking could she beat? I say it would be somewhere around 500.


No way.
I remember Graf saying 10 or 15 years ago that she might have a chance against the # 3000 ATP player.

maddogz32
10-12-2009, 11:54 AM
i was thinking somewhere around the three hundreds

IvanAndreevich
10-12-2009, 12:42 PM
Such an original topic. I love it!

What's next - Federer vs Nadal?
Who is GOAT?

kafelnikov
10-12-2009, 12:58 PM
World #708, Bohdan Ulihrach, was as high as #22 in his playing days, and beat Sampras twice, including once on HC. So that puts the 700s in tough range.


Is Ulihrach still playing?!

jamesblakefan#1
10-12-2009, 01:04 PM
Is Ulihrach still playing?!

Says he played a Challenger in Slovakia in September.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Ul/B/Bohdan-Ulihrach.aspx?t=pa

kOaMaster
10-12-2009, 01:05 PM
In 1998 at the Australian Open, Serena and Venus said that they could beat any male ranked around 200, so Karsten Braasch (No. 203) took the challenge and he easily beat Serena 6-1 and then Venus 6-2 and he was only half trying.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html

thank you. and this is why I would not choose either of the sisters.

aviramdj
10-12-2009, 01:41 PM
you guys are living in a dream world .
take the top kid in ETA age 14 or in ITF age 14 .
and he will beat klijsters ez .
anyone that thinks any woman even serena at her best can beat any player that has atp rank even like the last position doesnt understand tennis or didnt see the level played at todays mans tennis even at low levels .

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-12-2009, 01:43 PM
you guys are living in a dream world .
take the top kid in ETA age 14 or in ITF age 14 .
and he will beat klijsters ez .
anyone that thinks any woman even serena at her best can beat any player that has atp rank even like the last position doesnt understand tennis or didnt see the level played at todays mans tennis even at low levels .
Thats what ive been trying too say for 3 days now.

sureshs
10-12-2009, 01:52 PM
I sincerely hope your not serious. First off the video is a hitting session where the D1 player was asked to help Jankovic. If he played all out and hit huge lefty serves that were unreturnable it wouldn't have been an effective practice so he held back.


That is all speculation. Video tells what really happened.

A fearless Serena with her awesome 2-handed backhand would overpower a defensive player like Federer. Not all the time, but quite often. In addition, Federer would feel so much mental pressure to win that he will collapse. We have seen how Nadal got into his head and bageled him in the French Open last year. Federer's small-head frame is also no match for Serena's oversized powerful frame and will cause a lot of shanking.

Chadwixx
10-12-2009, 02:15 PM
A fearless Serena with her awesome 2-handed backhand would overpower a defensive player like Federer.

Ya fed wouldnt be able to handle 75mph waist level, light balls :)

sureshs
10-12-2009, 02:22 PM
Ya fed wouldnt be able to handle 75mph waist level, light balls :)

You are right. He hasn't had much practice :-)

Chadwixx
10-12-2009, 02:25 PM
I think a ball machine would be a nice equivilant :)

mzzmuaa
10-12-2009, 03:33 PM
But muscle means nothing. Gulbis,blake, roddick (younger days) hit very hard but aren't as muscly as the likes of andreev or nadal.

Women just aren't as good as men at the moment. PERIOD

muscles in their torsos and hips are responsible for a lot of their swing speed
so muscles definitely matter

r2473
10-12-2009, 05:08 PM
Serena doesn't lose to anyone. She beats herself.

IvanAndreevich
10-12-2009, 05:17 PM
Ya fed wouldnt be able to handle 75mph waist level, light balls :)

He could beat Serena if he wasn't allowed to hit his forehand deeper than the service box and only second serves, while starting every game at 0-30.

wyutani
10-12-2009, 05:18 PM
i still thik fed would destroy serena.

OddJack
10-12-2009, 06:11 PM
Such an original topic. I love it!

What's next - Federer vs Nadal?
Who is GOAT?

Yeah...but there was no poll like this...over 1000 61%, that's new

NickC
10-12-2009, 06:11 PM
Has Federer ever beaten someone 6-0 6-0 6-0 in a tournament? That's who the top women should be looking for, because no-one who can take even a few games off Fed is going to be troubled by anyone on the WTA.

I'm not sure what rank we're talking but it's well in excess of 1000.

He's beaten DelPo 3, 0, and 0 at a major (09 AUS), and a few years ago won 2, 2 and 0 against Bjorkman at Wimby.

Ano
10-12-2009, 09:14 PM
He's beaten DelPo 3, 0, and 0 at a major (09 AUS), and a few years ago won 2, 2 and 0 against Bjorkman at Wimby.

He's beaten Gaston Gaudio 6-0, 6-0 at TMC 2005.

Joe Pike
10-12-2009, 10:37 PM
you guys are living in a dream world .
take the top kid in ETA age 14 or in ITF age 14 .
and he will beat klijsters ez .
anyone that thinks any woman even serena at her best can beat any player that has atp rank even like the last position doesnt understand tennis or didnt see the level played at todays mans tennis even at low levels .


A 14-year-old boy???????
:rolleyes:

aviramdj
10-12-2009, 10:57 PM
A 14-year-old boy???????
:rolleyes:

the top ranked 14 year old's in ETA and ITF will beat the womans world no' 1.
even emberace them .
they are much quicker and even stronger then any female player .
Its not even cause of the level of tennis its just because there is a big difference in phisycal terms.
male body is stronger and faster and no matter what a woman rank is in wta a 14 year old boy is faster then her .
(that is if he trains in tennis regularly)
I have no idea how people can even think of a woman player facing someone like federer . its rediculas .
would you put the top female boxer in the world against mike tyson ?

onehandbh
10-12-2009, 11:01 PM
male body is stronger and faster and no matter what a woman rank is in wta a 14 year old boy is faster then her .
(that is if he trains in tennis regularly)

Do you think a 14 year old male is stronger than Serena Williams?

aviramdj
10-13-2009, 03:26 AM
Do you think a 14 year old male is stronger than Serena Williams?

a pro 14 year old that trains in tennis regularly is stronger then serena in tennis, not in muscles .
the top ranked 14 year old's in itf for example play much faster and stronger tennis then any woman on tour .

but as we are only speculating then we just have to agree that either im right or wrong on the 14 year old issue....
a 16 year old would surely then beat any wta player .
and any atp ranked player would crush serena and she wouldnt make more then 2 games if she is lucky .

nfor304
10-13-2009, 03:44 AM
a pro 14 year old that trains in tennis regularly is stronger then serena in tennis, not in muscles .
the top ranked 14 year old's in itf for example play much faster and stronger tennis then any woman on tour .

but as we are only speculating then we just have to agree that either im right or wrong on the 14 year old issue....
a 16 year old would surely then beat any wta player .
and any atp ranked player would crush serena and she wouldnt make more then 2 games if she is lucky .

I agree that you are either right or wrong.

ubermeyer
10-13-2009, 04:45 PM
Well I'm losing more faith in TT members. Last time I checked 65% of TT members have a clue. Now its down to 58%.

back to 62.26%

But muscle means nothing. Gulbis,blake, roddick (younger days) hit very hard but aren't as muscly as the likes of andreev or nadal.

and FEDERER ... he really doesn't look that strong at all

mzzmuaa
10-13-2009, 05:17 PM
back to 62.26%



and FEDERER ... he really doesn't look that strong at all

upper arms aren't everything
federer's right forearm is a club

zspyderman
12-19-2009, 11:08 AM
upper arms aren't everything
federer's right forearm is a club
None of the WTA players could beat anyone ranked on ATP. I don't think they could beat any Div. I player. I bet they could not win two rounds in Kalamzoo in the 16 & Under Boys...

iamke55
12-19-2009, 11:16 AM
He's beaten Gaston Gaudio 6-0, 6-0 at TMC 2005.

Let's see a woman win the men's French Open :)

Andy G
12-19-2009, 04:59 PM
Any highly ranked high school player or above can beat a top ranked women. When the women were in cincinnati Safina hit with my coach and he beat her easily in straights. Another kid at my club, a decently ranked sophomore in high school, lost to Wozniacki 3 and 3


You can not be serious when you say that a high school kid can beat a the best women's player in the world. You're talking high school and world ranked professionals who spend their lives training. If you want to make an argument fine, but the exaggerations are ridiculous.

jefferson
12-19-2009, 05:21 PM
I think that we are not giving the ladies enough credit. Teenage boys taking out the BEST in the WORLD? I guess I would like to watch it.

And as for the DI, There are some low level DI teams out there...

reesespiecestennis
12-19-2009, 05:31 PM
Seriously you people are crazy. Serena could easily hang with if not beat any Division 1 college player. She might also be able to beat anyone below the top 300 because she is more consistent and talented.

NLBwell
12-20-2009, 08:38 PM
None.
Probably equivalent to a 6.0 male player - Top level college player. This is the type of player they hire as hitting partners (or low 6.5's) who they choose because they are better than the women players - therefore, better practice. There may be a few guys hanging around with one ATP point or something who aren't true 6.5's they might beat.

Knightmace
12-20-2009, 08:55 PM
If Tony Lars was playing in the WTA then he could be good enough for GS

equinox
12-20-2009, 09:02 PM
ITF 1500 vs junior.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG358n3vkjY

Both these players would smash sharapova in her prime.

Love Game
12-20-2009, 09:21 PM
What ATP Rank can the number 1 WTA Beat?

just curious what ranks billie jean king and bobby riggs were when she beat him?

DNShade
12-20-2009, 09:56 PM
just curious what ranks billie jean king and bobby riggs were when she beat him?

Well Bobby Riggs was 55 at the time of the Battle of the Sexes and long retired and out of shape - Billie Jean King was 26 years younger. Earlier in the year he had beat Margaret Court 6-2 6-1 - and she was the number 1 player in the world at the time.

nfor304
12-20-2009, 10:12 PM
In a recent post about Jankovic at Tennis.com Bodo writes that he was watching Jankovic play some college kid and said that there is no doubt wta players can hang with college players....

Only if serving and returning is taken out of the equation.

nfor304
12-20-2009, 10:16 PM
ITF 1500 vs junior.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG358n3vkjY

Both these players would smash sharapova in her prime.

I doubt the little guy in that video would beat her. The taller older guy is destroying his serve and pushing him all over the place during the points

equinox
12-20-2009, 11:30 PM
probably 5 years age gap. I'd expect poric to clean up. especially considering the kid has both knees straped...

nfor304
12-21-2009, 12:03 AM
Yeah he would since he's a futures player against a junior. The 15 year old might be able to match Sharapova returning and serving, but i think Sharapova would have the edge in power from the baseline.

A player like Poric would beat her routinely though I would say

JackRussel
12-21-2009, 02:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mXXOMVkT78&feature=related

Bammer-Muster:shock:

djokovicgonzalez2010
12-21-2009, 02:36 AM
Serena could use intimidation at 8/10 of the top 10 (Sorry, Soderling and del Potro may be tougher)

skyzoo
12-21-2009, 11:08 AM
None of the WTA players could beat anyone ranked on ATP. I don't think they could beat any Div. I player. I bet they could not win two rounds in Kalamzoo in the 16 & Under Boys...
no. any div. I player is a stretch

gunnd5000
12-21-2009, 01:03 PM
lol at poll results that is fantastic i voted 100s but are we talking currently or generally

skyzoo
12-21-2009, 06:23 PM
Any strong, base-line oriented 6 year old male could ruin sharapova, no questions asked.

Claudius
12-21-2009, 06:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mXXOMVkT78&feature=related

Bammer-Muster:shock:

Very interesting...I wonder how Serena would do against Muster.

Mick
12-21-2009, 07:14 PM
i would like to see a serena williams vs john mcenroe match.
imagine the drama. the line people would fear both of them :)

RafaBrain
12-21-2009, 07:30 PM
ask Jimmy conners to play williams.

equinox
12-22-2009, 04:59 AM
He'd easily outhit serena but doesn't jimmy have a bad hip?
He's not going to last very long in a set.