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Hrandyrko
10-13-2009, 05:00 PM
Here's my backhand. People seem to be throwing up their backhand lately. I'll add to the list. These are warm up intensity backhands I was hitting with a friend. He was wearing jeans and he saw I had an extra racket and asked to hit a few. I'll get some full blown backhands up here in no time.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kKfgZBnwS4

ronalditop
10-13-2009, 05:06 PM
It looks a little too wristy. Try keeping your wrist firmer on impact and you will gain more control.

Hrandyrko
10-13-2009, 05:08 PM
It looks a little too wristy. Try keeping your wrist firmer on impact and you will gain more control.

Thanks Ronald. I've had some of the adults who I play with at the public court tell me that too. One of em even even told me to do my backhand in slow motion. As I approached the end of the backhand and he saw my wrist flick, he said, "Oh hell no. That's not tennis. That's ballet. Hit the ball the way it was meant to be hit and stop posing."

OUCH!

USERNAME
10-13-2009, 05:19 PM
Get more shoulder rotation and yeah cut out the big wrist snap. Also shift ur weight to ur front foot when making contact.

Hrandyrko
10-13-2009, 05:21 PM
Okay, thanks for the constructive criticism, USERNAME! I never thought weight transfer was one of my main problems, but I will work on it. I also didn't know I had such a great wrist snap until seeing myself on camera.

Mick
10-13-2009, 05:22 PM
hey if you can beat other people with shots that look like ballet, why change it ? ballet is something beautiful :)

USERNAME
10-13-2009, 05:28 PM
Okay, thanks for the constructive criticism, USERNAME! I never thought weight transfer was one of my main problems, but I will work on it. I also didn't know I had such a great wrist snap until seeing myself on camera.

Yeah I personally hated seeing myself on cam for the 1st time, really seems to highlight mistakes. Doesnt help to have a coach saying "I TOLD U" at the same time lol! My 1hbh had the same type of snap u have, my coach cut that out real quick tho. He said that the snap is ok in small doses and when ur trying for a shot that needs spin, but using it all the time can lead to injuries and inconsistancy against bigger hitters.

Hrandyrko
10-13-2009, 05:30 PM
Yeah I personally hated seeing myself on cam for the 1st time, really seems to highlight mistakes. Doesnt help to have a coach saying "I TOLD U" at the same time lol! My 1hbh had the same type of snap u have, my coach cut that out real quick tho. He said that the snap is ok in small doses and when ur trying for a shot that needs spin, but using it all the time can lead to injuries and inconsistancy against bigger hitters.

You're so right, there are some big hitters around here too. My forehand holds ground well against them. But when it comes to the backhand, it gets ugly early. Next time I am outside, I will work on keeping a firm wrist.

USERNAME
10-13-2009, 05:33 PM
You're so right, there are some big hitters around here too. My forehand holds ground well against them. But when it comes to the backhand, it gets ugly early. Next time I am outside, I will work on keeping a firm wrist.

HOLD ON!! U dont wanna do that either lol! Keep the wrist loose, it looks like ur forcing the snap in ur vids (u might b trying or it may b natural.)

Hrandyrko
10-13-2009, 05:35 PM
HOLD ON!! U dont wanna do that either lol! Keep the wrist loose, it looks like ur forcing the snap in ur vids (u might b trying or it may b natural.)

Oh no. It happens naturally =] Instead of saying "firm wrist" I probably should have said "firmer wrist". My mistake.

USERNAME
10-13-2009, 05:38 PM
Oh no. It happens naturally =]

Yeah thats what I thought, its a habit that needs to b broken. Hopefully for u it will b easier then for me. For me it took a solid week of my coach constantly getting on my case about it :)

The_Steak
10-13-2009, 06:38 PM
da fu?

OP you fraudin'? You said you were 14 and had a 2 hander. OP played us all. Ryan, you are tricky.

xFullCourtTenniSx
10-13-2009, 08:02 PM
Thanks Ronald. I've had some of the adults who I play with at the public court tell me that too. One of em even even told me to do my backhand in slow motion. As I approached the end of the backhand and he saw my wrist flick, he said, "Oh hell no. That's not tennis. That's ballet. Hit the ball the way it was meant to be hit and stop posing."

OUCH!

He's right. Stop trying to pose as Federer. :?

You lack a firm wrist. No matter what, you cannot hit a big one handed backhand if your wrist is weak and whippy.

Also, your stroke is rather small.

Power does not come from shoulder rotation into the shot. Turning your shoulders away from the net will add power to your shot and put your shoulder in the right position to hit the shot. The power comes from your rotator cuff (or whatever muscle is on the backside of the shoulder joint). Your shoulders should not open up through the stroke. If you do, the shot won't be as consistent because you lose the ability to hit through the ball properly and add sidespin instead of topspin.

Your footwork needs work. Ask your coach about that cause there's a LOT of stuff about footwork.

There is no wrist snap into any one handed backhand. There is forearm supination, but that's it. Even then, that's not something that should be taught or advocated. If it comes naturally, then fine. The follow through should be higher over the head.

And overall, your grip seems to be weak. And I think you're using a continental grip too...

MasturB
10-13-2009, 08:32 PM
I only wrist snap on low balls, or if I'm trying to put some extra heat on it my wrist naturally snaps.

GuyClinch
10-13-2009, 08:53 PM
That's a 3.0 backhand, IMHO. Were you the guy that said you wanted to go pro? You don't seem to be forcefully swinging through the ball - like your kinda lazily continuing your swing once you hit it..

Your footwork needs to be more aggressive where you really STEP with that front foot - transfer your weight and accelerate through the ball. You also need a more aggressive shoulder turn.

Carlito
10-13-2009, 09:56 PM
Im not sure because the camera isn't close enough, but I think the issue that is causing the "wristyness" everyone is talking about is your grip. It looks like like a continental grip and not a true backhand grip. My backhand didn't really imporve untill my coach showed me the right grip. Also the footwork isn't that bad except you don't have enough knee bend. Really plant down on the front foot and drive your weight forward.

Hrandyrko
10-14-2009, 03:34 AM
da fu?

OP you fraudin'? You said you were 14 and had a 2 hander. OP played us all. Ryan, you are tricky.

Lol, I used a two handed when I first began playing tennis.
He's right. Stop trying to pose as Federer. :?

You lack a firm wrist. No matter what, you cannot hit a big one handed backhand if your wrist is weak and whippy.

Also, your stroke is rather small.

Power does not come from shoulder rotation into the shot. Turning your shoulders away from the net will add power to your shot and put your shoulder in the right position to hit the shot. The power comes from your rotator cuff (or whatever muscle is on the backside of the shoulder joint). Your shoulders should not open up through the stroke. If you do, the shot won't be as consistent because you lose the ability to hit through the ball properly and add sidespin instead of topspin.

Your footwork needs work. Ask your coach about that cause there's a LOT of stuff about footwork.

There is no wrist snap into any one handed backhand. There is forearm supination, but that's it. Even then, that's not something that should be taught or advocated. If it comes naturally, then fine. The follow through should be higher over the head.

And overall, your grip seems to be weak. And I think you're using a continental grip too...

Thanks again, FullCourtTennis


That's a 3.0 backhand, IMHO. Were you the guy that said you wanted to go pro? You don't seem to be forcefully swinging through the ball - like your kinda lazily continuing your swing once you hit it..

Your footwork needs to be more aggressive where you really STEP with that front foot - transfer your weight and accelerate through the ball. You also need a more aggressive shoulder turn.

I was not forcefully swinging at any of the balls but the first one.

Im not sure because the camera isn't close enough, but I think the issue that is causing the "wristyness" everyone is talking about is your grip. It looks like like a continental grip and not a true backhand grip. My backhand didn't really imporve untill my coach showed me the right grip. Also the footwork isn't that bad except you don't have enough knee bend. Really plant down on the front foot and drive your weight forward.

I am certain that I am using a correct continental grip.

Ken Honecker
10-14-2009, 04:42 AM
I am certain that I am using a correct continental grip.

The thing is as far as I can tell few if any use the continental grip for groundstrokes. It is recommended for serves and volleys but then everyone switches to something else for the rest of their game. Personally I use Eastern forehand and backhand which seems to do everything I'm trying to get done but others like something different. Continental is sort of a wishy washy grip.

Hrandyrko
10-14-2009, 05:11 AM
I'm at school at the moment. I'll take a picture of the grip I am using and post it up here. I am 99.9% sure that I am using an eastern backhand grip.

35ft6
10-14-2009, 01:36 PM
I would switch to an eastern or extreme eastern backhand grip, try to drive through it more. Looks like you're hitting with a continental grip.

Hrandyrko
10-14-2009, 02:24 PM
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/5809/dsc01618.jpg

There's my grip. The eastern backhand grip.

xFullCourtTenniSx
10-14-2009, 03:00 PM
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/5809/dsc01618.jpg

There's my grip. The eastern backhand grip.

Seems like a pretty weak eastern backhand grip... But if you firm up your wrist I guess you can manage.

There are like hundreds of variations on the same grip. Most variations work fine.

Also, if you really wanted to go pro, you should've stuck with the two hander. You would've been far more likely to make it with a two hander as opposed to that one hander. The one hander takes far more time to fully develop. Though I'm not saying a two hander would've gave you a decent chance to go pro, just saying that with the time frame you had it would've increased your chances by at least 50% of what you were already at. (So the end result still would've been 0.0010 ---> 0.0015)

Hrandyrko
10-14-2009, 03:21 PM
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1310/dsc01621g.jpg

Is this better?

xFullCourtTenniSx
10-14-2009, 03:25 PM
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1310/dsc01621g.jpg

Is this better?

MUCH BETTER! I LOVE IT! :)

Hrandyrko
10-14-2009, 03:39 PM
MUCH BETTER! I LOVE IT! :)

Lol, thanks =p

The_Steak
10-14-2009, 04:03 PM
Why did you switch to a one hander? Just because Roger Federer uses a one hander doesn't mean you should. You shoulda stuck with the 2 hander. Now you have absolutely no chance to go pro.

Hrandyrko
10-14-2009, 04:24 PM
Why did you switch to a one hander? Just because Roger Federer uses a one hander doesn't mean you should. You shoulda stuck with the 2 hander. Now you have absolutely no chance to go pro.

Okay, thank you.

The_Steak
10-14-2009, 04:47 PM
Okay, thank you.

Why don't you just answer the question?

Hrandyrko
10-14-2009, 04:59 PM
Why don't you just answer the question?

You apparently already had your mind made up as to why I switched to the one hander.

Anyway, the one handed backhand looks a lot sweeter. The way I describe the two hander is "mechanical".

When I first got together with my coach, he saw me using the one handed backhand. Since I was a beginner, he insisted I use a two hander. Later in time, when we began doing private lessons together, I told him that I would no longer like to use the two hander and he completely respected my decision. And that was it.

PureDrive4life
10-14-2009, 05:04 PM
well guthixboy, i think its pretty good. but your better at runescape lolz

Hrandyrko
10-14-2009, 05:14 PM
well guthixboy, i think its pretty good. but your better at runescape lolz

Hahahahaha! I was waiting for someone to comment on that! Do you play?

tricky
10-14-2009, 05:32 PM
Hmm, is that picture of the grip you? Because I think the skin color is different than the 1H BH video clip???

Anyhoo . . . you're kinda breaking the one cardinal rule of the 1H BH. It's not like a FH where you swing laterally. It's an old-fashioned down-to-up motion, and the key thing is to swing through the ball without excessively opening up the torso.

Initially work on finishing with the racquet above your head, on your hitting side.

Your takeback is very short. Honestly, I don't think that's such a bad idea because it forces people to use their feet to generate power rather than arm the shot. But eventually, you want to execute a full takeback, which means your front shoulder will go under your chin.

Hrandyrko
10-14-2009, 05:41 PM
Hmm, is that picture of the grip you? Because I think the skin color is different than the 1H BH video clip???

Anyhoo . . . you're kinda breaking the one cardinal rule of the 1H BH. It's not like a FH where you swing laterally. It's an old-fashioned down-to-up motion, and the key thing is to swing through the ball without excessively opening up the torso.

Initially work on finishing with the racquet above your head, on your hitting side.

Your takeback is very short. Honestly, I don't think that's such a bad idea because it forces people to use their feet to generate power rather than arm the shot. But eventually, you want to execute a full takeback, which means your front shoulder will go under your chin.

Lol yes; the grip picture is me. Thanks so much for your very detailed post!

Bagumbawalla
10-14-2009, 08:48 PM
Your backhand seems to be mostly arm (and wrist) motion. You need to begin the motion with the legs, hips, back and shoulders which, in turn drives the motion of the arm.

In a couple of the shots, maybe, you almost, sort-of have the motions, but not quite. In many, however, you just kind of stand there and swat through the ball with a realitively weak arm motion. Not horrible, but not as good as you could or should be.

If your forehand is better than the backhand, then you might try this. Go to a wall. Find a distance from the wall that allows the ball to bounce into your comfort zone and then keep the ball going and alternate hitting forehands and backhands. Strive for the same solid feeling and shifting of weight off the backhand as you get from the forehand.

Concentrate on getting the feel of really driving your weight and energy THROUGH the ball.

heretoserve
10-14-2009, 09:19 PM
Great! But remember your two most efficient sources of power are the fall of the racquet and the legs lifting/uncoiling(but not opening). Take your racquet back higher(and quicker) with the body. Then let them fall in sync and lift in sync.

wyutani
10-14-2009, 09:38 PM
yes i agree.

moroni
10-14-2009, 10:12 PM
i hate two handed backhands ..... that being said i love it that you switched 2hbh should be cancled JK

GuyClinch
10-14-2009, 10:19 PM
Anyhoo . . . you're kinda breaking the one cardinal rule of the 1H BH. It's not like a FH where you swing laterally. It's an old-fashioned down-to-up motion, and the key thing is to swing through the ball without excessively opening up the torso.

Good call, IMHO. You got a knack for this kinda thing tricky. There was something really awkward about his shot but I think you pegged it.

Hrandyrko
10-15-2009, 03:28 AM
Thanks to all who gave me useful advice. Let me sum it all up right here =]

I need to create a bigger backswing.

There should be little to no wrist action in the one handed backhand. The only thing that should really occur is forearm supination.

I must concentrate on making a more deliberate down to up motion on the one handed backhand.

It is vital to the success of my one handed backhand that I use weight transfer from my back leg to front leg to drive through the shot.

luthertn
10-15-2009, 06:13 PM
In your vids ...your not really low to the ground with a bent knee .. thats gona help you keep it better ...so far I seen you are lifting yourself off the ground not stepping into it ....What you can do to get a better stroke, get a basket of balls and do drop balls and try to get topspin on your 1hbh....I had the same problem as you did when i switch from 2hand to 1hand but some of my friend in college told to drop balls and slow down your process . I hope it helps

Gugafan
10-15-2009, 06:24 PM
Not a pretty backhand at all. No shoulder turn and no weight transfer. Your getting very little racket head speed through the shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIJcdMC16rk

Look at the knee bend, and the shoulder rotation of this pro. You can see, he almost has his chin tucked under his shoulder prior to contact. Also notice how he makes contact well out infront. It is very difficult to hit a one-handed backhand once the ball gets behind you.

moroni
10-15-2009, 11:58 PM
many people said that samprass's bk was too wristy ..actually it is easier ti hit wristy on low balls i am a bit wristy on low balls .. not on high ones though do not cancel the wrist snap fully just get rid of it on high balls