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valiantgame2009
10-14-2009, 05:40 AM
It first happened in the US Open 2009. Rafael Nadal got beat pretty bad by Juan Martin Del Potro who later went on to clinch the Us Open title. Even though Rafa was injured in that match there was something I just could not get out of my head, Nadals gameplan. What was his gameplan? To feed Del Potro with short topspins to allow him to come in and attack with his huge forehand? I would like to think that Rafa is a smart player, I mean it has to take some of it to become a No. 1 ranked player in the ATP Worldtour, but he didn't do anything to take Del Potro out of his comfort zone.

But hey, he was injured right? Don't give the man too much of a hard time when he could not play at his best.

What about the Beijing 2009 Semifinals against Marin Cilic then? I saw that match and I was completely shocked by how Rafa got dominated for two straight sets and at the same time very impressed by Marins game and how well it has developed. The only thing that really halted him was the mental aspect of his game.

Marin Cilic seems to have a hard time finnishing the matches, especially when serving for match. Cilic dominated Rafa with power, with deep groundstrokes and seemed to have an answer for everything Rafa had to offer both of his forehand and backhand side.

So What is Rafa going to do in order to be able to win against these tall, strong players who often have huge serves aswell? I think that he has to get them out of their own comfortzones and mix up his game a little more. I did not see him hit one single drop during the whole match, sure that is not Rafas game but he has to try new things in order to keep up with these guys. How about hitting an approach shot and comming to the net?
Even if you don't succeed, you are letting your opponent know that you are for real and that you are going to do anything to beat him, that gets into their head and hopefully gives you a mental edge, at the same time it forces them to hit passing shots, it forces them out of their comfortzone and perhaps makes the opponent go for too much. It seems that Rafas usually, pressuring heavily topspinned forehands are the perfect shots to go after for these tall players, they are completely feeding off it.


What do you guys think Rafa is doing wrong? And what do you think about Marin Cilic? Is he a future Top5 player?

sureshs
10-14-2009, 05:44 AM
Same as what Federer was doing wrong when he lost to Del Potro. A new breed of players has arrived. Fed and Nadal are old news and their tennis will be considered "slow motion tennis" like we think of the black-and-white tennis clips of the past.

valiantgame2009
10-14-2009, 05:46 AM
Same as what Federer was doing wrong when he lost to Del Potro. A new breed of players has arrived. Fed and Nadal are old news and their tennis will be considered "slow motion tennis" like we think of the black-and-white tennis clips of the past.

Haha, I think that is a little is a little exaggarated, sure these new guys hit hard and with lots of pace but You can't possible say that Federer is hitting slow-motion shots, or that nadal is moving slowly? Come on..

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-14-2009, 05:46 AM
The recepie for beating Nadal is having a huge 2handed-backhand from shoulder-height just like Del Potro in Miami, Soderling in Paris, Del Potro in USO and Cilic in Beijing, Nadals extreme forehand-cross spin is a treat for these guys, im even sure they love too hit it that way!
I dont see Nadal beating Del Po ever again besides maybe on clay. Sure he can beat Soderling and Cilic but it will be a lot tougher these days. Imo Soderling sent a big message to the World in Paris-"This is how it should be done"!!

Cilic, i see a great Future for him on fast surfaces, not on clay. He definetely got game, and a very competent coach who knows what its all about (Bob Brett)

BajeDuane
10-14-2009, 05:54 AM
I think that the thing with Nadal vs Tall Players is that his extreme topspin that would normally bounce around shoulder height or higher on a player of average height would be right in the strike zone of the players around 6'6", that is provided that tall player has good footwork as Del Potro does.

Blinkism
10-14-2009, 05:59 AM
Cilic, i see a great Future for him on fast surfaces, not on clay. He definetely got game, and a very competent coach who knows what its all about (Bob Brett)

He's not so bad on clay, either, IMO.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-14-2009, 06:01 AM
He's not so bad on clay, either, IMO.
Absolutely not, but imo he has a much bigger chance of achieving great things on fast surfaces.

aphex
10-14-2009, 06:03 AM
Same as what Federer was doing wrong when he lost to Del Potro. A new breed of players has arrived. Fed and Nadal are old news and their tennis will be considered "slow motion tennis" like we think of the black-and-white tennis clips of the past.

comparing a 5-setter with the brutal beatdown delpo put on nadal...:oops:

8pNADAL
10-14-2009, 06:11 AM
won't matter, nadal has skipped wimbledon yet is still just 2 tournament victories away from finishing 2009 ranked number one (shanghai and london will do it), and then next year he gains massive points by success at roland garros and maximum points at wimbledon, no tall player will outdo nadal anytime soon

aphex
10-14-2009, 06:18 AM
won't matter, nadal has skipped wimbledon yet is still just 2 tournament victories away from finishing 2009 ranked number one (shanghai and london will do it), and then next year he gains massive points by success at roland garros and maximum points at wimbledon, no tall player will outdo nadal anytime soon

those are in the bag i tell ya!

lmao

8pNADAL
10-14-2009, 06:21 AM
those are in the bag i tell ya!

lmao

cilic and del potro are gone, no more threats at shanghai, and then at london no cilic and a tired del potro, again no major threats, not saying its a definite, but it would be no surprise for nadal to win these events

aphex
10-14-2009, 06:24 AM
cilic and del potro are gone, no more threats at shanghai, and then at london no cilic and a tired del potro, again no major threats, not saying its a definite, but it would be no surprise for nadal to win these events

u heard of this guy federer?

i expect soderling to show no mercy in shanghai-prepare for another brutal beatdown

Cesc Fabregas
10-14-2009, 06:25 AM
u heard of this guy federer?

i expect soderling to show no mercy in shanghai-prepare for another brutal beatdown

That clown Soderling wont even get passed Tsonga.

8pNADAL
10-14-2009, 06:26 AM
u heard of this guy federer?

i expect soderling to show no mercy in shanghai-prepare for another brutal beatdown

both those guys hang their hat on beating nadal during his most tendinitised moments, they don't look so good against him normally though, they aren't threats according to the head-to-heads

drakulie
10-14-2009, 06:27 AM
Even though Rafa was injured in that match

what was his injury?

What do you guys think Rafa is doing wrong?


Playing on the ATP. He should join the WTA.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-14-2009, 06:30 AM
That clown Soderling wont even get passed Tsonga.
You really shouldnt call Soderling a clown, he has been one of the hottest guys on tour since May, a clown doesnt beat Nadal, Davydenko and Gonzalez consecutively on his worst surface !

JennyS
10-14-2009, 06:32 AM
Check out Nadal's losses for 2009...

1. Gael Monfils: 6'4'', 2 handed backhand
2. Andy Murray: 6'3'', 2hbh
3. Juan Martin Del Potro: 6'6'', 2hbh
4. Roger Federer: 6'1'': 1hbh
5. Robin Soderling: 6'4'': 2hbh
6. Juan Martin Del Potro: 6'6'', 2hbh
7. Novak Djokovic: 6'2'': 2hbh
8. Juan Martin Del Potro: 6'6'', 2hbh
9. Marin Cilic: 6'6'', 2hbh

aphex
10-14-2009, 06:39 AM
both those guys hang their hat on beating nadal during his most tendinitised moments, they don't look so good against him normally though, they aren't threats according to the head-to-heads

you know these tournaments are not clay, right?:oops::oops:

a little refresher about what happens in fast HCs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR7do5BFgzA

go learn something

Cyan
10-14-2009, 06:58 AM
won't matter, nadal has skipped wimbledon yet is still just 2 tournament victories away from finishing 2009 ranked number one (shanghai and london will do it), and then next year he gains massive points by success at roland garros and maximum points at wimbledon, no tall player will outdo nadal anytime soon

I think Rafa will only win RG in 2010. Fed will only win Wimbledon in 2010. The players like Nole, Del Po, Murray will be the winners of the HC slams in 2010. Remember Fed saying "Thank God the HC season is over" earlier this year? Fed won't win anymore HC slams and he knows it!

TMF
10-14-2009, 07:57 AM
I think Rafa will only win RG in 2010. Fed will only win Wimbledon in 2010. The players like Nole, Del Po, Murray will be the winners of the HC slams in 2010. Remember Fed saying "Thank God the HC season is over" earlier this year? Fed won't win anymore HC slams and he knows it!

But if we keep hearing about injury, tendinitis or not 100% by the time RG is around, forget it, he's not going to win RG.

8pNADAL
10-14-2009, 08:43 AM
wimbledon is really all that matters, nadal can win that for a long long time

Azzurri
10-14-2009, 09:42 AM
It first happened in the US Open 2009. Rafael Nadal got beat pretty bad by Juan Martin Del Potro who later went on to clinch the Us Open title. Even though Rafa was injured in that match there was something I just could not get out of my head, Nadals gameplan. What was his gameplan? To feed Del Potro with short topspins to allow him to come in and attack with his huge forehand? I would like to think that Rafa is a smart player, I mean it has to take some of it to become a No. 1 ranked player in the ATP Worldtour, but he didn't do anything to take Del Potro out of his comfort zone.

But hey, he was injured right? Don't give the man too much of a hard time when he could not play at his best.

What about the Beijing 2009 Semifinals against Marin Cilic then? I saw that match and I was completely shocked by how Rafa got dominated for two straight sets and at the same time very impressed by Marins game and how well it has developed. The only thing that really halted him was the mental aspect of his game.

Marin Cilic seems to have a hard time finnishing the matches, especially when serving for match. Cilic dominated Rafa with power, with deep groundstrokes and seemed to have an answer for everything Rafa had to offer both of his forehand and backhand side.

So What is Rafa going to do in order to be able to win against these tall, strong players who often have huge serves aswell? I think that he has to get them out of their own comfortzones and mix up his game a little more. I did not see him hit one single drop during the whole match, sure that is not Rafas game but he has to try new things in order to keep up with these guys. How about hitting an approach shot and comming to the net?
Even if you don't succeed, you are letting your opponent know that you are for real and that you are going to do anything to beat him, that gets into their head and hopefully gives you a mental edge, at the same time it forces them to hit passing shots, it forces them out of their comfortzone and perhaps makes the opponent go for too much. It seems that Rafas usually, pressuring heavily topspinned forehands are the perfect shots to go after for these tall players, they are completely feeding off it.


What do you guys think Rafa is doing wrong? And what do you think about Marin Cilic? Is he a future Top5 player?

LOL...plagiarize much?

http://www.tennisweek.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=6641166

Azzurri
10-14-2009, 10:23 AM
wimbledon is really all that matters, nadal can win that for a long long time

did he win in 2009?

wangs78
10-14-2009, 10:43 AM
Check out Nadal's losses for 2009...

1. Gael Monfils: 6'4'', 2 handed backhand
2. Andy Murray: 6'3'', 2hbh
3. Juan Martin Del Potro: 6'6'', 2hbh
4. Roger Federer: 6'1'': 1hbh
5. Robin Soderling: 6'4'': 2hbh
6. Juan Martin Del Potro: 6'6'', 2hbh
7. Novak Djokovic: 6'2'': 2hbh
8. Juan Martin Del Potro: 6'6'', 2hbh
9. Marin Cilic: 6'6'', 2hbh

I really hope that some more players of the 5'10" to 6'1" size get and stay persistently in the top 10. Nothing against tall guys but the current trend basically makes it such that your genetic makeup (height trait) will be what separates the best from the rest.

valiantgame2009
10-14-2009, 03:14 PM
LOL...plagiarize much?

http://www.tennisweek.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=6641166

What the F*CK are you talking about? That is truly offensive, anything that I write, I write from my own opinions, I havent even seen that link or ever visited tennisweek.com, so please leave this thread if you dont have anything constructive to say.

8pNADAL
10-14-2009, 06:14 PM
did he win in 2009?

nah he didnt play it, that works out well for 2010 when he can get maximum ranking points for winning

edmondsm
10-14-2009, 06:20 PM
wimbledon is really all that matters, nadal can win that for a long long time

He barely won it once. What makes you think he can win it "for a long time".

Agassifan
10-14-2009, 06:29 PM
Nadal might win Shanghai.. the courts look just about right for him. Not saying he will, but he could.

8pNADAL
10-14-2009, 06:56 PM
He barely won it once. What makes you think he can win it "for a long time".

yeah but look how close he was to winning it in straight sets, that is a preview of things to come, plus he played at a higher level than federer in 2007 wimbledon just lost physical health in the 5th, nadal would be the favorite in a wimbledon final no doubt

8pNADAL
10-14-2009, 06:58 PM
Nadal might win Shanghai.. the courts look just about right for him. Not saying he will, but he could.

he won the olympics when the courts in beij were a copycat of the us open, in fact many say they were a lot faster than us

longnt80
10-14-2009, 07:03 PM
I really hope that some more players of the 5'10" to 6'1" size get and stay persistently in the top 10. Nothing against tall guys but the current trend basically makes it such that your genetic makeup (height trait) will be what separates the best from the rest.

Tall players only have advantage over Nadal right now. We cannot be sure about the ability to dominate the tour by tall players. Until now, most dominant players are around Federer's height.

valiantgame2009
10-15-2009, 12:05 AM
Until now, most dominant players are around Federer's height.

Yeah that is true, I think all three Nadal Federer and Sampras were 185 cm tall.
But I think that tall players are allowed to dominate because they have become better movers and because of the fact that everybody is playing from the baseline. Would Del Potro stand a chance against a prime Sampras @ a US Open final?

Baikalic
10-15-2009, 12:10 AM
I really hope that some more players of the 5'10" to 6'1" size get and stay persistently in the top 10. Nothing against tall guys but the current trend basically makes it such that your genetic makeup (height trait) will be what separates the best from the rest.

I have doubts that they will dominate the tour but I am not a fan of big man tennis either.

aphex
10-15-2009, 02:01 AM
That clown Soderling wont even get passed Tsonga.

clueless as usual

6/3, 6/3
:oops::oops::oops:

featherlight
10-15-2009, 04:33 AM
nadal does not play well with flat hitters

Azzurri
10-15-2009, 06:59 AM
What the F*CK are you talking about? That is truly offensive, anything that I write, I write from my own opinions, I havent even seen that link or ever visited tennisweek.com, so please leave this thread if you dont have anything constructive to say.

you read this article and you acted as if you came up with the idea of Nadal losing to tall players. It was obvious you stole the idea...great job.:rolleyes:

Azzurri
10-15-2009, 07:01 AM
nah he didnt play it, that works out well for 2010 when he can get maximum ranking points for winning

correct, he was injured. I don't see how he can continue this pace when his body seems to be breaking down the past few years.

Azzurri
10-15-2009, 07:03 AM
yeah but look how close he was to winning it in straight sets, that is a preview of things to come, plus he played at a higher level than federer in 2007 wimbledon just lost physical health in the 5th, nadal would be the favorite in a wimbledon final no doubt

Nadal_Freak?? Dude, he won one. he has injury issues. its not as if he was dominant like he is on clay. you are acting just like Nadal-Freak...so I guess you are probably him. that means you will be banned, again.