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Boing-Flip
10-14-2009, 12:14 PM
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga?

Nikolay Davydenko?

Fernando Verdasco?

Gilles Simon?

Robin Soderling?

Fernando Gonzalez?

Serendipitous
10-14-2009, 12:19 PM
Marat Safin :cry:

mtr1
10-14-2009, 12:21 PM
Roddick, Tsonga, Daveydenko.

Blinkism
10-14-2009, 12:21 PM
^^ that's right, Roddick didn't qualify, yet - he should, though

Verdasco, Soderling, and Gonzalez all went deep into slams this year so they should get it - on a grand slam basis.

Boing-Flip
10-14-2009, 12:32 PM
yh i agree.
i didnt put roddick in cos he basically qualified
:):):):)

statto
10-14-2009, 12:48 PM
If we assume Roddick qualifies, then I'd like to see the last two places go to Gonzalez and Soderling based on their slam performances. Next most deserving is Verdasco, then Tsonga.

I'd rather see Monfils make it than any of the others in the OPs list.

statto
10-14-2009, 12:50 PM
If we assume Roddick qualifies, then I'd like to see the last two places go to Gonzalez and Soderling based on their slam performances. Next most deserving is Verdasco, then Tsonga.

I'd rather see Monfils make it than any of the others in the OPs list.

Forgot to say - I have a vested interest in this because I'm going for the afternoon and evening sessions on one of the round-robin days. :)

flyinghippos101
10-14-2009, 12:50 PM
Soderling and Gonzalez for sure, toss up between Tsonga and Verdasco.

A 100% hells no to Davydenko and Simon though, considering they did jack **** this year.

stapler
10-14-2009, 01:02 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing any combo of Roddick, Tsonga, Gonzo, Solderling, or Soderling, maybe Verdasco, and definitely against Simon.

tennismsands
10-14-2009, 01:04 PM
roddick, soderling, simon

vkartikv
10-14-2009, 01:10 PM
We are not worthy of deciding who deserves to be in but I'd say Tsonga and Verdasco for marked improvement from last year and relative consistency.

aphex
10-14-2009, 01:13 PM
tsonga, soderling

Boing-Flip
10-14-2009, 01:21 PM
Forgot to say - I have a vested interest in this because I'm going for the afternoon and evening sessions on one of the round-robin days. :)

IM GOIN TO FINAL :)
its omgzz

egn
10-14-2009, 01:24 PM
Roddick. Verdasco. Then either Davy or Tsonga.

Davy did ******** this year? lmao.

Davy was out for the early part of the season and probably still did more than guys like Tsonga. Davy actually has the best year record out of all them 44-13 (77.1%) and second most wins behind Tsonga who is 48-16 (77.5%). He has just as many titles as Tsonga. Sorry Gonzo and Soderling did nice in slams but outside of that all year it was mediocore. It's for the top 8 players of the year not the top 8 in slams.

Boing-Flip
10-14-2009, 01:26 PM
yh very true
they have to perform all around, not just in slams
which they do, im not dissing any one :)

MethodTennis
10-14-2009, 01:31 PM
yh very true
they have to perform all around, not just in slams
which they do, im not dissing any one :)

or if you win a slam you get in in place of world no 8 so you could be 70th in the world loss in 1st 2nd rounds of all other toruns but win FO and make the cut for the tourn

egn
10-14-2009, 01:40 PM
or if you win a slam you get in in place of world no 8 so you could be 70th in the world loss in 1st 2nd rounds of all other toruns but win FO and make the cut for the tourn

I don't like that rule. Worst rule ever.

T1000
10-14-2009, 02:28 PM
Tsonga and Soderling

vive le beau jeu !
10-14-2009, 02:30 PM
or if you win a slam you get in in place of world no 8 so you could be 70th in the world loss in 1st 2nd rounds of all other toruns but win FO and make the cut for the tourn
unless they changed the rule recently, a slam winner still had to be in the top20 for making it to the masters cup.
(it was like that since 2000)

P_Agony
10-14-2009, 02:33 PM
To be fair, Soderling deserves it most.

jimbo333
10-14-2009, 06:27 PM
Soderling and Gonzalez for sure, toss up between Tsonga and Verdasco.

A 100% hells no to Davydenko and Simon though, considering they did jack **** this year.

I'd like to see Gonzalez there as he seems to do better in the big tournaments this year:)

Davydenko is the opposite. Probably better winning record than the others, but rubbish in Grand Slam tournaments for some reason!

IvanAndreevich
10-14-2009, 06:32 PM
Soderling or Tsonga for sure.

kishnabe
10-14-2009, 07:31 PM
Tsonga and Verdasco for good tennis. Roddick is essentially accepted

JeMar
10-14-2009, 07:32 PM
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga?

Nikolay Davydenko?

Fernando Verdasco?

Gilles Simon?

Robin Soderling?

Fernando Gonzalez?

Just in terms of accomplishing the most this year, I'd say Soderling, Gonzalez, and Verdasco.

seffina
10-14-2009, 07:35 PM
I want Cilic to get it, but not going to happen.

Both Simon and Tsonga have a lot of points to defend, don't they between the two masters series? I've not really looked at any of the numbers.

hlkimfung
10-14-2009, 07:42 PM
unless they changed the rule recently, a slam winner still had to be in the top20 for making it to the masters cup.
(it was like that since 2000)

one on spot, no gurantee

if slam winner that year are ranked 8,9,10,11 going into TMC, only no. 8 was in, no, 9 and 10 to be alternate, no 11 don't need to go

Thomas Johansson ranked around 15 going into the TMC 2002.

Costa was ranked 8, so he was in. Next up is Sampras.

Pete need to be an alternative, so he didn't go

TJ then show up as an alternate, Agassi pull out, and he play one match

Frankauc
10-14-2009, 07:44 PM
its soderling and tsonga but i would like simon to make it

vive le beau jeu !
10-15-2009, 01:22 AM
one on spot, no gurantee

if slam winner that year are ranked 8,9,10,11 going into TMC, only no. 8 was in, no, 9 and 10 to be alternate, no 11 don't need to go

Thomas Johansson ranked around 15 going into the TMC 2002.

Costa was ranked 8, so he was in. Next up is Sampras.

Pete need to be an alternative, so he didn't go

TJ then show up as an alternate, Agassi pull out, and he play one match
absolutely right ! :)
the 2002 case was very unlikely... but it happened, and very soon after they created this rule !

but something sounds a bit surprising to me in the rules:
The selection list for the event shall be:

a) The top seven (7) players in the South African Airways ATP Rankings as of the Monday after the last ATP World Tour tournament of the calendar year; followed by
b) Up to two (2) Grand Slam winners of that year, in order of their positions, positioned between eight (8 ) and twenty (20) in the South African Airways ATP Rankings as of that Monday; followed by
c) Players positioned eight (8 ) and below in the South African Airways ATP Rankings as of that Monday.

(from the 2009 ATP rulebook)

so for instance, if the slam winners are ranked #3, #9, #14, #15 this year...
the selection list is:

#1
#2
#3
#4
#5
#6
#7
#9
#14
#8
#10
#11
#12
#13
#15

so even if 6 of the 14 first players on the selection list withdraw... the #15-ranked slam winner won't even play, whereas the #14-ranked slam winner only needs one withdrawal !


and while we are talking about the masters cup rules, i'm still not sure about what happens if one of the players qualified for the SF withdraws after the RR stage... i didn't find this in the rules ! ;)
(i know i know... each year, it's the same question... but i still don't have the answer !)

DreamKiller
10-15-2009, 01:58 AM
I want to see Roddick,Gonzalez and Soderling.

BreakPoint
10-15-2009, 02:00 AM
I'd say Soderling for making the finals of a Grand Slam this year.

wyutani
10-15-2009, 02:01 AM
richard gasquet, soderling.

DreamKiller
10-15-2009, 02:06 AM
I'd say Soderling for making the finals of a Grand Slam this year.

wow 25,000 posts................................

slice bh compliment
10-15-2009, 02:30 AM
Soderling for his effort in the early summer, but Tsonga 'cause he's the best. It'll be interesting...the indoor season leading up to London. It's a weird time of year. The end, the injuries, the push to get in. Probably not always the best tennis, but I always tune in.

Allez Jo!

crawl4
10-15-2009, 02:49 AM
I think it would be good if Soderling and perhaps Verdasco were there

Tongueincheek
10-15-2009, 02:53 AM
The Sod..:) the fearless flat hitter .. love it.

Bloodshed
10-15-2009, 04:19 PM
Not sure why some people say Roddick in this thread since it's almost guaranteed that he will be in :???:

Now as far as last place is concerned, Soderling should definately be there. He's been one of the most consistent player on all surfaces this year.

I'd say Tsonga should be there as well considering he has now a win vs all Top 4 Players (I don't think he ever met Del Potro though) so when he brings his very best, he's a fun player to watch.

I would like Verdasco to be there but if the guy consists of choking vs Top 4 Players, I'd rather him not to be around.

Davydenko despite being injured, doesn't deserve it. No way in hell Simon should be there and Gonzo is just a very erratic player that barely scares anyone with his play (unless he's into Gonzo mode)

IvanAndreevich
10-15-2009, 07:26 PM
Soderling just beat Tsonga convincingly. Case for Soderling to be there :)

stapler
10-15-2009, 07:32 PM
Not sure why some people say Roddick in this thread since it's almost guaranteed that he will be in :???:

Now as far as last place is concerned, Soderling should definately be there. He's been one of the most consistent player on all surfaces this year.

I'd say Tsonga should be there as well considering he has now a win vs all Top 4 Players (I don't think he ever met Del Potro though) so when he brings his very best, he's a fun player to watch.

I would like Verdasco to be there but if the guy consists of choking vs Top 4 Players, I'd rather him not to be around.

Davydenko despite being injured, doesn't deserve it. No way in hell Simon should be there and Gonzo is just a very erratic player that barely scares anyone with his play (unless he's into Gonzo mode)

I'll have to look into it more, but I believe Tsonga played (and lost to) Delpo at the FO.

cesarmo03
10-15-2009, 08:04 PM
Gonzalez and Verdasco. Great results on slams and also great results on tournaments.