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Telepatic
10-15-2009, 06:54 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091015/ap_on_sp_te_ne/ten_agassi_federer_and_nadal


I'm not really sure about Murray but I think hes a bit overhyped but will remain in top5 for some time.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-15-2009, 06:56 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091015/ap_on_sp_te_ne/ten_agassi_federer_and_nadal


I'm not really sure about Murray but I think hes a bit overhyped but will remain in top5 for some time.
I dont think so, the era might end in 2011 though due to Fed getting old and Nadal being injured all the time.

dropshot winner
10-15-2009, 06:56 AM
He made some good points, and I agree 100% about Murray's potential, most people are selling the scott way short these days.

endbegin
10-15-2009, 06:58 AM
If anyone has lost any ground, it is Djokovic. Nadal has lost some ground too, but that has been because of injuries. I am pretty sure he will be back in full flow next year.

The jury is still out on Murray ... most refreshing change at the top is DelPo. It remains to be seen if he can keep up this level, or will drop a little like Djokovic did after this Aus Open win.

statto
10-15-2009, 07:09 AM
Maybe he's right in terms of *domination* but I still think they will carve up the majority of the major titles for a few years to come.

French Open: Nadal is always going to be favourite for this, and if he goes out then Federer is favourite. The players Agassi mentions can't touch either of them on clay.

Wimbledon: Federer and Nadal will be the two favourites for this for the next few years. One of the players Agassi mentions (probably Murray) may take one of the next four Wimbledons. Federer and Nadal will take the other four.

Australian Open: The hard courts there are slow enough for Nadal to be a big threat, and fast enough for Federer to be a big threat. Djokovic and Murray may pick up one apiece in the next four years.

US Open: This presents the best chances for the chasing pack, but I still think Federer has one more US Open title in him.

Masters Shields: Rafa will consistently be the most successful Masters player each year due to his domination of the clay court season.

My predictions for slams in the next four years:

AO: 2 Nadal, 1 Djokovic, 1 Murray
FO: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
W: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
USO: 1 Federer, 1 DelPo, 1 Murray, 1 Djokovic

RF/RN: 11, The Rest: 5

The biggest threat to this IMO is someone completely new bursting onto the scene, possibly a clay court specialist who can take down Rafa at Roland Garros.

zagor
10-15-2009, 07:17 AM
Agassi's such a troll,saying Fed and Nadal are finished :).

Maybe he's right,we'll see.I hope Novak wins another slam soon,Delpo made a great breakthrough as well.Murray's game while he's talented IMO isn't that suited for winning slams.

aphex
10-15-2009, 07:59 AM
Maybe he's right in terms of *domination* but I still think they will carve up the majority of the major titles for a few years to come.

French Open: Nadal is always going to be favourite for this, and if he goes out then Federer is favourite. The players Agassi mentions can't touch either of them on clay.

Wimbledon: Federer and Nadal will be the two favourites for this for the next few years. One of the players Agassi mentions (probably Murray) may take one of the next four Wimbledons. Federer and Nadal will take the other four.

Australian Open: The hard courts there are slow enough for Nadal to be a big threat, and fast enough for Federer to be a big threat. Djokovic and Murray may pick up one apiece in the next four years.

US Open: This presents the best chances for the chasing pack, but I still think Federer has one more US Open title in him.

Masters Shields: Rafa will consistently be the most successful Masters player each year due to his domination of the clay court season.

My predictions for slams in the next four years:

AO: 2 Nadal, 1 Djokovic, 1 Murray
FO: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
W: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
USO: 1 Federer, 1 DelPo, 1 Murray, 1 Djokovic

RF/RN: 11, The Rest: 5

The biggest threat to this IMO is someone completely new bursting onto the scene, possibly a clay court specialist who can take down Rafa at Roland Garros.


tell me when you wake up

srinrajesh
10-15-2009, 08:05 AM
He's probably talking about their dominating the GS together .. They still won 3-3 and others 2 in 2008-09.
He's right that the era is coming to an end from the duo point of view. Its difficult to see federer winning more grand slams post 2010 when he will be 29 and few months.

Even though Murray is still the best bet, it is hard to see him being the dominant factor on any surface like Agassi is mentioning. I think its a pressure factor at work as he was expected to win at AO, USO and big home fav at Wimby as well. Once he wins one, i would expect him to win at least 1 a year for the next 3-4 years.
It could be spread more evenly after 2010 perhaps if Nadal doesnt return fully fit in 2010.
Remember it wasnt long ago we were debating if he could win all 4 GS this year after his great start to 2009...Things change very quickly

VGP
10-15-2009, 08:18 AM
When things dry up, they can dry up fast.

If someone said that after the end of '84 that McEnroe would never win another slam, that statement would have been met with disbelief.

Also after Safin won the AO of '05 and we were told that he wouldn't win another tournament - of any kind - that would be hard to swallow as well.......

statto
10-15-2009, 08:22 AM
tell me when you wake up

Roger will not be winning slams at 31/32 years of age, hence the reason I give him less slams. Maybe I should have made it 2:2 at Wimbledon and 4:0 at the French. Either way, my point is that I think they will win more slams than the rest of the field combined over the next four years.

Kostas
10-15-2009, 08:41 AM
Maybe he's right in terms of *domination* but I still think they will carve up the majority of the major titles for a few years to come.

French Open: Nadal is always going to be favourite for this, and if he goes out then Federer is favourite. The players Agassi mentions can't touch either of them on clay.

Wimbledon: Federer and Nadal will be the two favourites for this for the next few years. One of the players Agassi mentions (probably Murray) may take one of the next four Wimbledons. Federer and Nadal will take the other four.

Australian Open: The hard courts there are slow enough for Nadal to be a big threat, and fast enough for Federer to be a big threat. Djokovic and Murray may pick up one apiece in the next four years.

US Open: This presents the best chances for the chasing pack, but I still think Federer has one more US Open title in him.

Masters Shields: Rafa will consistently be the most successful Masters player each year due to his domination of the clay court season.

My predictions for slams in the next four years:

AO: 2 Nadal, 1 Djokovic, 1 Murray
FO: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
W: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
USO: 1 Federer, 1 DelPo, 1 Murray, 1 Djokovic

RF/RN: 11, The Rest: 5

The biggest threat to this IMO is someone completely new bursting onto the scene, possibly a clay court specialist who can take down Rafa at Roland Garros.


So you think that the next 16 slams will be won by 5 players? Two years ago you never heard of DelPo...I would bet that of the next 16 slams...less than 10 will be won by these 5.

I'm a huge Roger fan also.

TMF
10-15-2009, 08:45 AM
My predictions for slams in the next four years:

AO: 2 Nadal, 1 Djokovic, 1 Murray
FO: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
W: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
USO: 1 Federer, 1 DelPo, 1 Murray, 1 Djokovic


Nadal winning 3 SW19?
The USO is the toughest slam for him to win, but I think winning 1 USO is more plausible than winning 3 SW19.

TMF
10-15-2009, 08:50 AM
When things dry up, they can dry up fast.

If someone said that after the end of '84 that McEnroe would never win another slam, that statement would have been met with disbelief.

Also after Safin won the AO of '05 and we were told that he wouldn't win another tournament - of any kind - that would be hard to swallow as well.......

The same disbelief for Wilander after 1988 and Hewitt after 2002. Suprisingly, they never won another slam.

stormholloway
10-15-2009, 08:51 AM
AO: 2 Nadal, 1 Djokovic, 1 Murray
FO: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
W: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
USO: 1 Federer, 1 DelPo, 1 Murray, 1 Djokovic

Are you joking?

Blinkism
10-15-2009, 08:52 AM
Are you joking?

I know!

Murray winning a slam?

Ridiculous

icedevil0289
10-15-2009, 08:53 AM
I know!

Murray winning a slam?

Ridiculous

:lol:

10 char

geese_com
10-15-2009, 09:09 AM
Agassi had some good points. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

valiant
10-15-2009, 09:18 AM
I know!

Murray winning a slam?

Ridiculous

You just hate him dont you.:twisted:

Ledigs
10-15-2009, 09:41 AM
I'm not going to make predictions about GS's in 2010 in this thread, but I don't agree with Agassi. In any case, this isn't a huge prediction because Federer is 28 and obviously not going to dominate, but that doesn't mean the next few years won't be major in terms of their rivalry. Especially at French Open and Wimbledon.

If Del Potro falls off and Djokovic doesn't get it back, a new person will have to come in and start to take over, and I don't see that being Murray. I think he's a headcase.

Del Potro has a good shot though. Very strong player

P_Agony
10-15-2009, 09:48 AM
Some people really underrate Andy Murray. The guy can beat anyone, he proved that multiple times. He is also a multiple MS winner. Yes, his slams performences this year have not been great (for a top 3 standard), but I bet he wins a slam in 2010, maybe even the AO, maybe Wimbledon. He just has a bit more growing up to do and he's up there. I also see Djokovic finally gaining his confidence back and return being a threat at the slams, possibly making another final, but I don't see him winning any in 2010. I see Nadal winning the French, and Federer winning another one, perhaps Wimbly or US Open.

Last but not least, I don't see DP winning the AO. I already predicted I don't see him winning 2 in a row at this point of his career. We are already seeing the signs of this with his recent losses.

statto
10-15-2009, 09:56 AM
Nadal winning 3 SW19?
The USO is the toughest slam for him to win, but I think winning 1 USO is more plausible than winning 3 SW19.

With the slower grass (and with Roger looking more vulnerable on that surface) I's say Nadal goes into future Wimbledon's at least 50/50 with Roger, whose prime years are behind him.

After the French, Wimbledon will probably be the easiest slam for Rafa to won.

statto
10-15-2009, 10:01 AM
So you think that the next 16 slams will be won by 5 players? Two years ago you never heard of DelPo...I would bet that of the next 16 slams...less than 10 will be won by these 5.

I'm a huge Roger fan also.

That's why I said the biggest threat is someone new on the scene. Soderling/Monfils/Tsonga/Simon/Roddick et al. None of these are going to take slams. It will either be the five mentioned or someone new entirely, but Agassi can't be talking about someone new when he's on about the era of Rafa/Roger coming to an end.

Regardless, I'd almost guarantee that Roger and Rafa win more slams in the next four years than DelPo, Novak and Andy.

snark
10-15-2009, 10:05 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091015/ap_on_sp_te_ne/ten_agassi_federer_and_nadal


"Now we have possibly the changing of the guard. You have those top two who are now losing ground to the likes of (Novak) Djokovic and Murray and (Juan Martin) del Potro," Agassi told reporters in Hong Kong by phone from Las Vegas.



Yeah, sure. Those guys combined won 1/4 GS with the other three going to Fed/Nadal.

Agassi is getting a bit ahead of himself.

BigServer1
10-15-2009, 10:09 AM
Man...Andy Murray gets soooooooo much praise from people, some of it deserved, some of it undeserved.

I can't see Murray ever dominating the game. I think he's a slam winner, but I don't see him ever having a year like Fed had in 04, 06 or 07 or like Nadal's 2008. He's too susceptible to big offensive players and doesn't play well enough yet on clay to be a favorite there either.

I just don't get this. Maybe when he wins a slam we can talk about his world domination...Until then, how about letting his tennis do the talking.

JankovicFan
10-15-2009, 10:39 AM
Before any era is declared "ending", heralding Andy Murray, Andy should be winning a share of the slams. One would be nice for starters. Del Potro and Djokovic have credentials worth mentioning too. In any case, I think Djokovic is the man and is about to prove it.

Cyan
10-15-2009, 10:50 AM
Agassi is afraid that Rafa and Fed will break his masters series record of 17 :oops:

Bertie B
10-15-2009, 11:24 AM
Huge Agassi fan here, but Murray game isn't built for dominating. At best he'll be lucky to follow in Hewitt's footsteps.

I expect to see Djokovic come back into form. I also expect to see Nadal regain form in 2010, but he must retool his game.

TMF
10-15-2009, 11:26 AM
Agassi is afraid that Rafa and Fed will break his masters series record of 17 :oops:

Roger/Nadal will inevitably break Andre’s record. I think that’s the only record that Agassi held besides being the only player to win 4 AO.

Adi-das
10-15-2009, 11:32 AM
Many seem to underestimate Murray big time. He has the best backhand in the current game. He is alongside Nadal as the best returner on tour. His first serve has improved alot and is now a key weapon in winning cheap points. When he plays offensively his forehand hardly ever breaks down. Agassi is correct, Murray is for sure a multiple slam winnner.

Cyan
10-15-2009, 11:34 AM
Agassi is correct, Murray is for sure a multiple slam winnner.

Yeah if winning 2 slams in your career is considered multiple slam winner. :rolleyes:

Blinkism
10-15-2009, 11:35 AM
Yeah if winning 2 slams in your career is considered multiple slam winner. :rolleyes:

If he even wins 1 at all.

NamRanger
10-15-2009, 11:36 AM
Some people really underrate Andy Murray. The guy can beat anyone, he proved that multiple times. He is also a multiple MS winner. Yes, his slams performences this year have not been great (for a top 3 standard), but I bet he wins a slam in 2010, maybe even the AO, maybe Wimbledon. He just has a bit more growing up to do and he's up there. I also see Djokovic finally gaining his confidence back and return being a threat at the slams, possibly making another final, but I don't see him winning any in 2010. I see Nadal winning the French, and Federer winning another one, perhaps Wimbly or US Open.

Last but not least, I don't see DP winning the AO. I already predicted I don't see him winning 2 in a row at this point of his career. We are already seeing the signs of this with his recent losses.




Andy Murray is probably the most overrated player on this forum next to Marcelos Rios. Hell, Kafelnikov managed to win 2 slams (against solid players too; it's not like they were complete pushovers) despite his limited tools. People talk like Andy Murray is on the same level of talent as Federer and Nadal; that's simply not true.



Andy Murray so far this year has lost to :


1. Fernando Verdasco, a fragile headcase. Verdasco in fact did everything in his power to lose that particular match, and still managed to win because of Murray's passive play.

2. Andy Roddick, who although is good, by no means is an immovable object that Andy Murray can't get past (if he is as good as he is hyped up to be).

3. Fernando Gonzalez on clay; that's excusable, although Andy Murray still went in as a favorite in this match too based on previous results.

4. Marian Cilic, where Murray went into full pusher mode and proceeded to get the living snot beat out of him.





Who the hell tries the indoor season but indoor specialists? You think Andy Roddick wouldn't do well on indoor HCs with his serve and his type of game? Yet he has consistently done poorly on every indoor HC tournament he's ever played. Why? Because these events are all at the end of the season. To make the conclusion that Del Potro's recent losses during a portion of the season where nearly every top player goes into full tank mode / not care mode means anything, is really ignorant and dumb.

Cyan
10-15-2009, 11:37 AM
If he even wins 1 at all.

He should feel lucky if he has a career like Hewitt...

Adi-das
10-15-2009, 11:40 AM
Yeah if winning 2 slams in your career is considered multiple slam winner. :rolleyes:

I see Murray winnning around 4 slams actually. He is capable of great things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOB6MJvjH9U

Adi-das
10-15-2009, 11:46 AM
Andy Murray so far this year has lost to :


1. Fernando Verdasco, a fragile headcase. Verdasco in fact did everything in his power to lose that particular match, and still managed to win because of Murray's passive play.

2. Andy Roddick, who although is good, by no means is an immovable object that Andy Murray can't get past (if he is as good as he is hyped up to be).

3. Fernando Gonzalez on clay; that's excusable, although Andy Murray still went in as a favorite in this match too based on previous results.

4. Marian Cilic, where Murray went into full pusher mode and proceeded to get the living snot beat out of him.



.

Your assessment of those matches makes me chuckle. Verdasco was on fire and nothing Murray could of done. Roddick was also serving unsually well and Murray couldn't handle that. Murray going in as favorite against Gonzo is just a joke. Don't know where you pulled that out of. And lastly, Cilic was playing the best tennis of his life while Murray was playing with a wrist injury.

federerfanatic
10-15-2009, 11:58 AM
******** article. If anything the Murray hype machine is close to ending for good when people clue in that the guy isnt slam material.

federerfanatic
10-15-2009, 11:59 AM
Maybe he's right in terms of *domination* but I still think they will carve up the majority of the major titles for a few years to come.

French Open: Nadal is always going to be favourite for this, and if he goes out then Federer is favourite. The players Agassi mentions can't touch either of them on clay.

Wimbledon: Federer and Nadal will be the two favourites for this for the next few years. One of the players Agassi mentions (probably Murray) may take one of the next four Wimbledons. Federer and Nadal will take the other four.

Australian Open: The hard courts there are slow enough for Nadal to be a big threat, and fast enough for Federer to be a big threat. Djokovic and Murray may pick up one apiece in the next four years.

US Open: This presents the best chances for the chasing pack, but I still think Federer has one more US Open title in him.

Masters Shields: Rafa will consistently be the most successful Masters player each year due to his domination of the clay court season.

My predictions for slams in the next four years:

AO: 2 Nadal, 1 Djokovic, 1 Murray
FO: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
W: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
USO: 1 Federer, 1 DelPo, 1 Murray, 1 Djokovic

RF/RN: 11, The Rest: 5

The biggest threat to this IMO is someone completely new bursting onto the scene, possibly a clay court specialist who can take down Rafa at Roland Garros.

Picking Nadal to win 3 more Wimbledons and 8 more total slams is simply ridiculous.

THUNDERVOLLEY
10-15-2009, 12:01 PM
If the fate of the men's game is left to Murray, Djokovic and associated players....get ready for a major slump.

flying24
10-15-2009, 12:03 PM
Maybe he's right in terms of *domination* but I still think they will carve up the majority of the major titles for a few years to come.

French Open: Nadal is always going to be favourite for this, and if he goes out then Federer is favourite. The players Agassi mentions can't touch either of them on clay.

Wimbledon: Federer and Nadal will be the two favourites for this for the next few years. One of the players Agassi mentions (probably Murray) may take one of the next four Wimbledons. Federer and Nadal will take the other four.

Australian Open: The hard courts there are slow enough for Nadal to be a big threat, and fast enough for Federer to be a big threat. Djokovic and Murray may pick up one apiece in the next four years.

US Open: This presents the best chances for the chasing pack, but I still think Federer has one more US Open title in him.

Masters Shields: Rafa will consistently be the most successful Masters player each year due to his domination of the clay court season.

My predictions for slams in the next four years:

AO: 2 Nadal, 1 Djokovic, 1 Murray
FO: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
W: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
USO: 1 Federer, 1 DelPo, 1 Murray, 1 Djokovic

RF/RN: 11, The Rest: 5

The biggest threat to this IMO is someone completely new bursting onto the scene, possibly a clay court specialist who can take down Rafa at Roland Garros.

Nadal could already be past his prime with all his injury problems and his physical game style taking a toll and you are predicting him to win 8 more slams including 2 more hard court slams and 3 more Wimbledons!! Get off the crackpipe please.

Adi-das
10-15-2009, 12:05 PM
Nadal could already be past his prime.

Lets not be silly.

flying24
10-15-2009, 12:08 PM
Lets not be silly.

ROTFL what is silly about that. Do you really think he is ever going to be better or even as good as he was in 2008-early 2009? That is far more silly than anything at this point. Predicting Nadal to win 8 more slams makes about as much sense as predicting Safina to win 6 slams.

Adi-das
10-15-2009, 12:09 PM
ROTFL what is silly about that. Do you really think he is ever going to be better or even as good as he was in 2008-early 2009? That is far more silly than anything at this point. Predicting Nadal to win 8 more slams makes about as much sense as predicting Safina to win 6 slams.

ROTFL!!!!

This suits your post.

navratilovafan
10-15-2009, 12:10 PM
My predictions for slams in the next four years:

AO: 2 Nadal, 1 Djokovic, 1 Murray
FO: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
W: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
USO: 1 Federer, 1 DelPo, 1 Murray, 1 Djokovic


You fail miserably. Your Nadal predictions makes me laugh harder than I have in a long time.

navratilovafan
10-15-2009, 12:11 PM
ROTFL!!!!

This suits your post.

Actually what he said made sense. Alot more sense than anything the poster he was quoting did.

kOaMaster
10-15-2009, 12:12 PM
I can see agassis point it think it already happened when murray ws nr2 for some weeks.

the "dominance" of those two players who had spot 1 & 2 for I don't know, 5 years, is ending. hell that is SO long. no duo ever dominated the sport like they did. out of the last 24 GS they won together 20 of them. crazy if you think about it.
they'll still be favorites in the GS, they will each win more tournaments (I would not bet money on whichone to be the more succesfull one), but the consistency isn't/won't be the same.

TheTruth
10-15-2009, 01:09 PM
It's possible, anything is, but the successor? That's going out on a limb for real.

Baikalic
10-15-2009, 01:16 PM
It's possible, anything is, but the successor? That's going out on a limb for real.

More likely there will be a transition period without a clear successor. Inevitably though, there will be one.

Agassi is free to talk about how he feels about the current game and where it's headed. I don't know if I agree with him, mostly because I think too much is uncertain to predict more than a year in advance. It's always fun to speculate, isn't it?

statto
10-15-2009, 01:28 PM
Picking Nadal to win 3 more Wimbledons and 8 more total slams is simply ridiculous.

Nadal could already be past his prime with all his injury problems and his physical game style taking a toll and you are predicting him to win 8 more slams including 2 more hard court slams and 3 more Wimbledons!! Get off the crackpipe please.

You fail miserably. Your Nadal predictions makes me laugh harder than I have in a long time.

It's easy to laugh now, but you have the luxury of knowing this thread will sink without a trace way before any of this can materialise. Unless Nadal's career finishes in the next three or four years he's likely to pick up another three or four French Open's at least.

I'm sure people would have scoffed at predictions that Fed would win 11 slams in four years after his first Wimbledon. Nadal has won 6 slams in five years, and he still has the traditional prime period to go through. If anything, three more slams for Fed is the more unlikely prospect. The guy is 28 already.

rocket
10-15-2009, 01:38 PM
they'll still be favorites in the GS, they will each win more tournaments (I would not bet money on whichone to be the more succesfull one), but the consistency isn't/won't be the same.

The "consistency" is yet to be found in those hungry young wolves, who snatched a slam here & there but failed to keep the momentum going.

Let's not forget that Fed already won 2 slams this year. Of course, pll are so used to see him win all the time that they announced "end of an era" when he lost the USO final.

Nadal won the AO & was the hot favorite for the FO & Wimby, until injuries forced him out.

That leaves little room for the rest.

Dream_On
10-15-2009, 01:39 PM
Nadal and federer might not win a grand slam ever again.

Just saying

rocket
10-15-2009, 01:45 PM
Nadal has won 6 slams in five years, and he still has the traditional prime period to go through. If anything, three more slams for Fed is the more unlikely prospect. The guy is 28 already.

Yes, 28 & he played in all 4 slam finals this year, winning 2 of them. Has anyone else done that, at 28, in the open era?

I can see Fed going strong until he reaches 31. I don't see Nadal win anymore slams past his 28th birthday.

rocket
10-15-2009, 01:46 PM
Nadal and federer might not win a grand slam ever again.

Just saying

Dream_On

;)

World Beater
10-15-2009, 02:25 PM
It's easy to laugh now, but you have the luxury of knowing this thread will sink without a trace way before any of this can materialise. Unless Nadal's career finishes in the next three or four years he's likely to pick up another three or four French Open's at least.

I'm sure people would have scoffed at predictions that Fed would win 11 slams in four years after his first Wimbledon. Nadal has won 6 slams in five years, and he still has the traditional prime period to go through. If anything, three more slams for Fed is the more unlikely prospect. The guy is 28 already.

i dont know. nothing is traditional about nadal's career period.

I think what matters more than age is MILES. Nadal confessed in an interview that even though he is young by absolute means - agewise. He has had a very successful long career. He turned pro quite early and has body for sure has taken a toll.

Nadal also was a prodigy in tennis and history tells us that prodigies either plateau or burn-out. Nadal could of course be the exception, but that is your call to make.

Cesc Fabregas
10-15-2009, 02:29 PM
Agassi has a man-crush on Murray, I think Murray could win a couple of slam but don't think he'll ever dominate.

statto
10-15-2009, 02:33 PM
I can see Fed going strong until he reaches 31. I don't see Nadal win anymore slams past his 28th birthday.

I'd tend to agree, but I think Fed will have a hard time winning more than one slam a year now. I also agree that Nadal is unlikely to win slams past 28, but that still gives him 4-5 years, and if we take the French as a virtual given most seasons then he only needs to pick up the odd additional slam to end up around Sampras figures for slams.

babbette
10-15-2009, 02:40 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091015/ap_on_sp_te_ne/ten_agassi_federer_and_nadal


I'm not really sure about Murray but I think hes a bit overhyped but will remain in top5 for some time.

Nadal answers.

Translated from google.

Nadal answers to Agassi: "Only I am 23 years old" ·
Recalls that he already said time ago that the tennis was not only question of
Federer and he

Spanish Rafael Nadal answered to the American one Andre Agassi, that had indicated that Federer-Nadal was it was approaching its end, spoke of the future of other players, as the British one Andy Murray, and notified that he alone is 23 years old.

"He can be, there are many competitive players right now and we carry already many years up there and when the youths leave seems that they are going to burst this, but I am 23 years old, it do not we forget", said Nadal. "The reality is that provided that leaves somewhat new, the good thing seems but then the things go stabilizing and when at the beginning you leave without pressure, all see it looking. Then it changes and the rout also affects them", Spanish said.

"Always I said that there was more than Federer and I, although we have played many important parties. But the tennis will be pretty in the next years, because youths are arriving that play very well. We will see what happens", observed Nadal.

TheTruth
10-15-2009, 02:40 PM
More likely there will be a transition period without a clear successor. Inevitably though, there will be one.

Agassi is free to talk about how he feels about the current game and where it's headed. I don't know if I agree with him, mostly because I think too much is uncertain to predict more than a year in advance. It's always fun to speculate, isn't it?

Agree wholeheartedly with your post, especially the first line. Also agree with your logic about predicting things years in advance.

Speculating is fine. It's just that many former pros put out so many contradictory statements it makes me wonder why they keep talking at all.

NamRanger
10-15-2009, 02:42 PM
Agree wholeheartedly with your post, especially the first line. Also agree with your logic about predicting things years in advance.

Speculating is fine. It's just that many former pros put out so many contradictory statements it makes me wonder why they keep talking at all.



What else would they do?

TheTruth
10-15-2009, 02:46 PM
What else would they do?

To each his own, but if I kept being wishy-washy in my replies, which will and can be scrutinized forever, I'd be a little more responsible in what I said. But, that's just me.

Cyan
10-15-2009, 02:49 PM
Nadal answers.

Translated from google.

I think it is better for Nadal to appear as the underdog now. After he won the AO, Agassi was saying how he thought Nadal could achieve the Grand Slam this year and that kind of pressure doesn't work well for Nadal's psyche at all... :shock:

http://www.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idUSTRE54F1WC20090516


Agassi is a lousy prophet...

NamRanger
10-15-2009, 02:49 PM
To each his own, but if I kept being wishy-washy in my replies, which will and can be scrutinized forever, I'd be a little more responsible in what I said. But, that's just me.



Since when were former professional tennis players responsible though? I mean, Borg almost sold his Wimbledon trophy, Becker and his problems, etc.


:shock:

Azzurri
10-15-2009, 03:14 PM
Not sure about Nadal, but Fed's reign is over. LOL...ha ha, sorry Fed fans, ITS OVER!

JeMar
10-15-2009, 03:29 PM
Not sure about Nadal, but Fed's reign is over. LOL...ha ha, sorry Fed fans, ITS OVER!

And how does that make you feel?

NamRanger
10-15-2009, 03:33 PM
And how does that make you feel?


It makes me feel good if it's true, because then Roddick might sneak a slam out if he stopped trying to do his best impression of Andy Murray.

boojay
10-15-2009, 03:51 PM
Agree with the assessment that Nadal's career's pretty much over, but Fed almost looks like he's just getting started.

flying24
10-15-2009, 04:08 PM
It's easy to laugh now, but you have the luxury of knowing this thread will sink without a trace way before any of this can materialise. Unless Nadal's career finishes in the next three or four years he's likely to pick up another three or four French Open's at least.

Whatever. If that is what you really think I will happily bookmark this thread and bring it up several years down the year since I can 150% gaurantee your crazy over the top predictions for an already burning out/ailing Nadal will prove to be an epic fail. I gaurantee you Nadal wont win more than 10 slams (if that) which is still a great career if he reaches that.

I'm sure people would have scoffed at predictions that Fed would win 11 slams in four years after his first Wimbledon. Nadal has won 6 slams in five years, and he still has the traditional prime period to go through.

That is where you fail completely. You fail to realize Nadal peaked much sooner and earlier than what constitutes a "traditional prime period" and he is not going to go through his prime at the traditional prime period. Most of his prime has already happened most likely.

Azzurri
10-15-2009, 05:07 PM
And how does that make you feel?

what do you care?

David L
10-15-2009, 05:24 PM
Not sure about Nadal, but Fed's reign is over. LOL...ha ha, sorry Fed fans, ITS OVER!
Which would explain why Federer is ranked No.1.

Conquistador
10-15-2009, 05:31 PM
Federer is still better than everyone else. Federer is the one man who can weather the storm of aging. Thats because of his extreme talent. We've never seen a player like Roger with this kind of talent in tennis history. Federer is the man that is able to overcome the obstacles of getting older because he is adept and prone to injuries unlike others. Federer moves soo gracefully, so rhythmic, soo fluid. Federer is still heads and heels among everyone else in this game. This is a player who went 55-8 this year and people are still criticizing him. Hes that good.

Agassifan
10-15-2009, 05:32 PM
My predictions for slams in the next four years:

AO: 2 Nadal, 1 Djokovic, 1 Murray
FO: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
W: 3 Nadal, 1 Federer
USO: 1 Federer, 1 DelPo, 1 Murray, 1 Djokovic

RF/RN: 11, The Rest: 5


You must surely be Yoking. I think Nadal has a maximum of 6 slams left in him. Definitely not 3 Wimbledons.

Agassifan
10-15-2009, 07:59 PM
Agassi is afraid that Rafa and Fed will break his masters series record of 17 :oops:

Nobody outside of TT cares about masters series. Please

grafselesfan
10-15-2009, 08:35 PM
Nobody outside of TT cares about masters series. Please

I would have to disagree here. Slams are more important than Masters series or for women Tier 1s and Tier 2s but these kind of tournaments are still evaluated when determining a players whole career and its quality, particular if they are closely matched especialy in things like slam wins, time at #1, and dominance. As an Agassi fan you are the last one I would expect to say Masters events mean nothing too.

mikethehamster
10-15-2009, 10:26 PM
Next 4 years:
US = 1 Federer, 1 Del Potro, 1 Djokovic, and 1 Donald Young.

Baikalic
10-15-2009, 10:28 PM
Nobody outside of TT cares about masters series. Please

What Cyan is saying is that perhaps they're not important to casual fans, but maybe Andre Agassi would. I think it was a joke though anyway.

Baikalic
10-15-2009, 10:38 PM
Agree wholeheartedly with your post, especially the first line. Also agree with your logic about predicting things years in advance.

Speculating is fine. It's just that many former pros put out so many contradictory statements it makes me wonder why they keep talking at all.

thanks!

what I'm thinking is that these former pros are probably prompted and nudged in a certain direction by interviewers and so produce a statement they would not have otherwise made on their own.

What we have here is a story without the full transcript of the interview; a writer wants to make a definitive point based on the material he has, so then he/she writes:

"Andre Agassi says Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal's domination of the men's game is coming to an end"

when in fact what Agassi actually said was:

"Now we have possibly the changing of the guard."

which is a much less definitive statement. I think Agassi is intelligent and polite enough not to make a declaration that Rafa and Fed are simply done.

egn
10-15-2009, 11:26 PM
Not sure about Nadal, but Fed's reign is over. LOL...ha ha, sorry Fed fans, ITS OVER!

It's ironic that your sig says does anyone have a clue? When this statement makes no sense because last I checked Fed was no.1 and battling 5 sets in the US Open final and not losings 6-2, 6-2, 6-2 and suffering from constant injuries..Fed's reign may be very well over but at the moment it looks like he stands a better chance than Nadal unless Nadal figures out his injury issues.

grafselesfan
10-15-2009, 11:31 PM
As much as I dislike Federer I expect he will win atleast 1 slam next year, and more than 1 is possible (though I hope he doesnt win more than 1).

I also expect Nadal to win atleast 1 slam next year, and hopefully more than 1.

They may not be as dominant but they are still the 2 best. Murray has not proven himself in the slams, he probably will at some point but he certainly isnt close to the best until he does. I think Djokovic has the talent and game to be #1, if he can get tougher mentally and refind the confidence it could happen especialy if Federer and Nadal are more vurnerable now. Del Potro isnt #1 material yet, a threat to win slams but not yet a #1 contender.

wyutani
10-16-2009, 12:05 AM
why murray? he havent won a grand slam yet. probably wont. like henman.

TheTruth
10-16-2009, 01:39 AM
Since when were former professional tennis players responsible though? I mean, Borg almost sold his Wimbledon trophy, Becker and his problems, etc.


:shock:

True. It's just funny how people take what they say to heart without looking at the context in which they said it, or the underlying motive.



This is true in life too.

TheTruth
10-16-2009, 01:43 AM
thanks!

what I'm thinking is that these former pros are probably prompted and nudged in a certain direction by interviewers and so produce a statement they would not have otherwise made on their own.

What we have here is a story without the full transcript of the interview; a writer wants to make a definitive point based on the material he has, so then he/she writes:

"Andre Agassi says Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal's domination of the men's game is coming to an end"

when in fact what Agassi actually said was:

"Now we have possibly the changing of the guard."

which is a much less definitive statement. I think Agassi is intelligent and polite enough not to make a declaration that Rafa and Fed are simply done.

Agree, again.

TBS
10-16-2009, 01:46 AM
Trying to predict the future of a great player is tremendously difficult. Someone here already mentioned the case of John McEnroe not winning a major after 1984. Nobody saw that coming in January of 1985.

Here's an even better one: imagine for a moment that you (the 2009 you) have magically been transported back to the summer of 1980. It is early August. Bjorn Borg has just won Wimbledon a few weeks ago for the fifth straight time, beating McEnroe in an epic five-set match. This is the tenth major of his career (five French Opens, five Wimbledons). He is 24 years old, and playing the greatest tennis of his life, seeming to get better with each passing year since his career took off in 1974. If he wins the upcoming US Open, as seems likely, he will take the unusual (for him) step of going down to Australia in December to try to complete the Grand Slam.

He is being called by some the man who will go down in tennis history as the greatest player of all time, no questions asked. You offer knowledgeable tennis people (writers, commentators, other top players) a choice of two propositions:

1) Bjorn Borg will win ten more majors in his career.

2) Bjorn Borg will win one more major in his career.

I think the majority of those knowledgeable people, the OVERWHELMING majority, dare I say, would pick number one. The idea at that point the Borg would win only one more major would have probably seemed slightly ludicrous. Yet we here all know the real history.

Predicting the future is hard.

TheTruth
10-16-2009, 01:47 AM
As much as I dislike Federer I expect he will win atleast 1 slam next year, and more than 1 is possible (though I hope he doesnt win more than 1).

I also expect Nadal to win atleast 1 slam next year, and hopefully more than 1.

They may not be as dominant but they are still the 2 best. Murray has not proven himself in the slams, he probably will at some point but he certainly isnt close to the best until he does. I think Djokovic has the talent and game to be #1, if he can get tougher mentally and refind the confidence it could happen especialy if Federer and Nadal are more vurnerable now. Del Potro isnt #1 material yet, a threat to win slams but not yet a #1 contender.

Good post!

Azzurri
10-17-2009, 05:46 PM
It's ironic that your sig says does anyone have a clue? When this statement makes no sense because last I checked Fed was no.1 and battling 5 sets in the US Open final and not losings 6-2, 6-2, 6-2 and suffering from constant injuries..Fed's reign may be very well over but at the moment it looks like he stands a better chance than Nadal unless Nadal figures out his injury issues.

Fed is not the best player, nadal is. Only reason why Fed is #1 is because nadal was injured. nadal owns Fed, simple as that.

Baikalic
10-17-2009, 07:03 PM
Fed is not the best player, nadal is. Only reason why Fed is #1 is because nadal was injured. nadal owns Fed, simple as that.

nice to see you delivering on annoyance:)!

jamesblakefan#1
10-17-2009, 10:03 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091015/ap_on_sp_te_ne/ten_agassi_federer_and_nadal


I'm not really sure about Murray but I think hes a bit overhyped but will remain in top5 for some time.

I believe Murray will win a slam next year. The fact that JMDP won one before him will light a fire under him and motivate him to finally break through mentally and physically to put it all together to win a slam. Also pressure will be off of him a bit next year, as JMDP will take his spot as preemptive favorite in most events. Even now I barely see people mention him, and the Murray hate has died down substatially.

All the people who call Murray an overrated pusher will be proven wrong WHEN he wins a slam next year and shuts everyone up. If I had to put money on it, I'd say Wimbledon. Fed has to lose his reign eventually, and Roddick really had to play one of the best matches of his career to even beat Murray in 4 close sets. Murray will win a slam next year, bank on it.

There is a reason why people like Agassi have belief in him, I believe in him as well, and am putting my reputation on the line with this bold prediction; quote me if you want - Murray will win a slam next year.

Adi-das
10-17-2009, 10:17 PM
I believe Murray will win a slam next year. The fact that JMDP won one before him will light a fire under him and motivate him to finally break through mentally and physically to put it all together to win a slam. Also pressure will be off of him a bit next year, as JMDP will take his spot as preemptive favorite in most events. Even now I barely see people mention him, and the Murray hate has died down substatially.

All the people who call Murray an overrated pusher will be proven wrong WHEN he wins a slam next year and shuts everyone up. If I had to put money on it, I'd say Wimbledon. Fed has to lose his reign eventually, and Roddick really had to play one of the best matches of his career to even beat Murray in 4 close sets. Murray will win a slam next year, bank on it.

There is a reason why people like Agassi have belief in him, I believe in him as well, and am putting my reputation on the line with this bold prediction; quote me if you want - Murray will win a slam next year.

Excellent post. Agree with everything said.

jamesblakefan#1
10-17-2009, 10:22 PM
Excellent post. Agree with everything said.

When you hear a person like Andre Agassi say something like this:

"From a talent standpoint, Murray is a person who should win multiple Slams," Agassi said.

"When I look at his game compared to the other players, he has what it takes to win and to win against anybody on any surface."

It's hard not to buy into Murray. All of the people who call him a talentless overrated pusher will finally have to eat their crow next year. I am not saying he will go to #1, or be the next guy to dominate the game. But if you ask me yes or no, will Murray win a slam, I have to say yes. If he's healthy, he's still one of the best 4 players in the world.

And finally, JMDP winning one will be the inspiration, the fire Murray needed to show him that it is indeed possible to go through Fed and Nadal and win a slam. Murray far outperformed JMDP in his career prior to the slam...now Murray will know that his time is now, and step up and take a slam next year.

8pNADAL
10-17-2009, 10:32 PM
that would be so funny if murray doesnt win a slam next year, because at the start/end of every year we here about how murray is about to breakthrough in the next 12 months etc., and everyone is so certain that it will happen yet it never does he rarely gets into semis even

Adi-das
10-17-2009, 10:38 PM
that would be so funny if murray doesnt win a slam next year, because at the start/end of every year we here about how murray is about to breakthrough in the next 12 months etc., and everyone is so certain that it will happen yet it never does he rarely gets into semis even

Every year? Murray was only tipped to win a slam this year. "Every year" is quite misleading.

8pNADAL
10-17-2009, 10:47 PM
2008, 2009 and now 2010 murray was expected to breakthrough, i guess its because hes being held to the standard of nadal, but most players dont win slams till mid20s

Adi-das
10-17-2009, 10:52 PM
2008, 2009 and now 2010 murray was expected to breakthrough, i guess its because hes being held to the standard of nadal, but most players dont win slams till mid20s

Murray was never expected to win the USO in 2008. Don't know where you heard that from. And again, Murray IS being tipped to win a slam in 2010. The new season hasn't started, and therefore you cannot say "Murray WAS expected to breakthrough in 2010" since it hasn't even started. Murray was only tipped to win a slam in 2009, that's it.

jamesblakefan#1
10-17-2009, 10:53 PM
2008, 2009 and now 2010 murray was expected to breakthrough, i guess its because hes being held to the standard of nadal, but most players dont win slams till mid20s

2008 Murray was not really on that level. He was more in that Gasquet class of guys who have potential, but still need that big win/title to take it to the next level. 08 he really did that with his comeback win at Wimbledon vs Gasquet, then winning a MS title in Cincy, making USO final, and performing well during indoors season. This is when the Murray hype really started. When you think back, not that many really batted an eye when he lost early in Australia and French in 08, so to say Murray GS hype has been going on since 2008 is wrong.

8pNADAL
10-17-2009, 10:56 PM
it still would be funny if murray doesnt win a slam in 2010, people seem so sure he will, yet i dont see how anyone could be that sure when federer and nadal have won every slam on tour since djokovic 2008 aust open until del potro 09 us open which only creates another obstacle for murray

Baikalic
10-17-2009, 11:15 PM
I believe Murray will win a slam next year. The fact that JMDP won one before him will light a fire under him and motivate him to finally break through mentally and physically to put it all together to win a slam. Also pressure will be off of him a bit next year, as JMDP will take his spot as preemptive favorite in most events. Even now I barely see people mention him, and the Murray hate has died down substatially.

All the people who call Murray an overrated pusher will be proven wrong WHEN he wins a slam next year and shuts everyone up. If I had to put money on it, I'd say Wimbledon. Fed has to lose his reign eventually, and Roddick really had to play one of the best matches of his career to even beat Murray in 4 close sets. Murray will win a slam next year, bank on it.

There is a reason why people like Agassi have belief in him, I believe in him as well, and am putting my reputation on the line with this bold prediction; quote me if you want - Murray will win a slam next year.

Good luck to ya- I am a little bit less optimistic but we shall see! I hope that Murray retools his strategy to focus on aggression in this off season.

batz
10-18-2009, 02:03 AM
JBF - you've always been pretty near the top of my 'good guy' list, but this Murray fanboyism really must stop ;)

You make some excellent points - I hope you are correct in your prediction.

SerbWhoLovesDelPo
10-18-2009, 02:06 AM
Murray era is beginning, he says.

Is that the era where nobody wins any slams?

Adi-das
10-18-2009, 02:39 AM
JBF - you've always been pretty near the top of my 'good guy' list, but this Murray fanboyism really must stop ;)

You make some excellent points - I hope you are correct in your prediction.

I agree, JBF's a great poster.

batz
10-18-2009, 03:15 AM
I agree, JBF's a great poster.

Yep.

In tribute, I'm quoting him in my very first signature.

statto
10-18-2009, 03:26 AM
I believe Murray will win a slam next year. The fact that JMDP won one before him will light a fire under him and motivate him to finally break through mentally and physically to put it all together to win a slam. Also pressure will be off of him a bit next year, as JMDP will take his spot as preemptive favorite in most events. Even now I barely see people mention him, and the Murray hate has died down substatially.

All the people who call Murray an overrated pusher will be proven wrong WHEN he wins a slam next year and shuts everyone up. If I had to put money on it, I'd say Wimbledon. Fed has to lose his reign eventually, and Roddick really had to play one of the best matches of his career to even beat Murray in 4 close sets. Murray will win a slam next year, bank on it.

There is a reason why people like Agassi have belief in him, I believe in him as well, and am putting my reputation on the line with this bold prediction; quote me if you want - Murray will win a slam next year.

I agree with pretty much all of this, but I think it will be either the AO or USO that he wins. I'm expecting another Nadal/Federer Wimbledon final next year.

Spider
10-18-2009, 03:46 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091015/ap_on_sp_te_ne/ten_agassi_federer_and_nadal


I'm not really sure about Murray but I think hes a bit overhyped but will remain in top5 for some time.

Agassi is spot on about Murray!

He will take the mantle of being the most dominant player from Federer starting next year, and I look forward to it. :)

jamesblakefan#1
10-18-2009, 04:17 AM
Yep.

In tribute, I'm quoting him in my very first signature.

Wow I'm kinda honored. :lol:

I really do think he can win one though, if he refocuses, plays aggressive more often, and serves more effectively, he can definitely win one and I believe will win one.

batz
10-18-2009, 06:00 AM
Wow I'm kinda honored. :lol:

I really do think he can win one though, if he refocuses, plays aggressive more often, and serves more effectively, he can definitely win one and I believe will win one.



I hope you're right buddy.

I also wish I shared your seemingly absolute faith. Mine has taken a bit of dent this year if I'm honest.

Still firmly on the bandwagon though!:)

Telepatic
10-18-2009, 06:27 AM
Assuming Agassi is right I'll bring out my opinions about potential successors:

I think Murray can win GS only on HC and thats probably fast HC>>USO.
But as someone said, currently, his game is not really suitable for winning grand slams, needs to be more aggressive and there could be some mental blocks from winning GS (like Safina has)..It would also be good for his personal image to change some of his bad behavior (of course I'm speaking about disgusting yelling on opponents UE-s).

As for Del Potro, guy is great but it looks like he depends alot on his physical strength (obviously according to his powerhouse groundstrokes..) but beside that he got great mental predispositions and potential clutch serving to save him thanks to his height, he's also behaving great on court and off court.If he doesn't become too injury prone like Nadal he surely got bright future ahead.

As Novak fan, I believe hes either gonna step it up big time playing good old super aggressive tennis again (late 2007-early 2008 ) or hes gonna become a half pusher with occasional winners produced by some aggressive strokes and thus fall down the rankings and become decent consistent top 10 player (top5 at best assuming new guys who appear on tour in future aren't that great competition), which would be a shame for his potential in my opinion.
As others probably noticed, he also depends too much on confidence which could effect his career by a large margin if he fails to deliver on tour for a while.

Azzurri
10-18-2009, 10:49 AM
nice to see you delivering on annoyance:)!

Nadal is a BEAST!!!! He owns Fed like no one else. Fed can't handle all that wacky spin nadal produces. Nadal makes Federer cry.

mandy01
10-18-2009, 11:11 AM
Nadal is a BEAST!!!! He owns Fed like no one else. Fed can't handle all that wacky spin nadal produces. Nadal makes Federer cry.
:cry::cry::cry::cry:

tangerine
10-18-2009, 12:16 PM
Andre Agassi: Federer-Nadal era is ending
I sure hope so, then the glorious Roddick era (Aug 2003–Jan 2004) can return. http://i40.tinypic.com/1fz5ht.jpg

Azzurri
10-18-2009, 12:46 PM
oh Mandy.:( I thought you knew me better. :)

UsualSuspect
10-18-2009, 01:13 PM
Nadal is a BEAST!!!! He owns Fed like no one else. Fed can't handle all that wacky spin nadal produces. Nadal makes Federer cry.
This is clear bait. Angry posters will see that comment and have a field day. :)

Azzurri
10-18-2009, 01:46 PM
This is clear bait. Angry posters will see that comment and have a field day. :)

but its true..what is the arguement?

jamesblakefan#1
10-18-2009, 02:43 PM
but its true..what is the arguement?

And you say you're a Fed fan? Please. You're a Fed fan just like I'm a Djokovic fan. :lol:

With fans like you, who needs enemies.

World Beater
10-18-2009, 04:20 PM
but its true..what is the arguement?

federer is owned by nadal. no question about it. yes federer is a mug agreed.

the same krajicek that used to get owned by mental head case goran and slammed by loud mouth rusedski could play his regular game and still take petey to school on grass and on most surfaces. straight sets demolition. petey was krajicek's prison bia#ch even at wimbledon.

santoro sliced up petey on clay. delgado, schaller. lmao. pre-pubescent federer took down sampras in 5 sets when petey was serving 69%. his best weapon firing. LOL.

pete losing to feeble yzaga. that is like federer losing to rochus. haha. what a power player this petey is!!!!!!

petey losing to corretja twice - indoors and on grass after having chances to win both matches. i thought pete was the most mentally tough GOAT ever. thank goodness USA had roddick - he saved our *** in that tie!!!

I love petey...its true, but where is the argument?

SerbWhoLovesDelPo
10-18-2009, 04:34 PM
Assuming Agassi is right I'll bring out my opinions about potential successors:

I think Murray can win GS only on HC and thats probably fast HC>>USO.
But as someone said, currently, his game is not really suitable for winning grand slams, needs to be more aggressive and there could be some mental blocks from winning GS (like Safina has)..It would also be good for his personal image to change some of his bad behavior (of course I'm speaking about disgusting yelling on opponents UE-s).

Mostly correct. But remember he had some bad luck in AO and USO this year (sick in AO and some wrist problems at USO), which are the 2 slams where he has the best chance.


As for Del Potro, guy is great but it looks like he depends alot on his physical strength (obviously according to his powerhouse groundstrokes..) but beside that he got great mental predispositions and potential clutch serving to save him thanks to his height, he's also behaving great on court and off court.If he doesn't become too injury prone like Nadal he surely got bright future ahead.

I am a little worried seeing the last 2 matches Delpo played. It is true that he was injured and a little burnt out after USO victory, but both Roger-Vasselin and Melzer somehow managed to expose his limited game. He seemed like a very one-dimensional player in those 2 matches. We'll see how it goes for him in Basel, Paris and London.


As Novak fan, I believe hes either gonna step it up big time playing good old super aggressive tennis again (late 2007-early 2008 ) or hes gonna become a half pusher with occasional winners produced by some aggressive strokes and thus fall down the rankings and become decent consistent top 10 player.


He is really turning into a pusher. He plays more and more like Rafa and Murray, which is very bad because he will never be able to make sick passing shots like Murray or retrieve impossible balls like Nadal.
It seems like he adjusted his game to beat Rafa on clay, which may backfire big time in the future.
And most players become less aggressive as they age, so I'm not sure if Novak will ever return to his old game.

TheTruth
10-18-2009, 05:25 PM
Trying to predict the future of a great player is tremendously difficult. Someone here already mentioned the case of John McEnroe not winning a major after 1984. Nobody saw that coming in January of 1985.

Here's an even better one: imagine for a moment that you (the 2009 you) have magically been transported back to the summer of 1980. It is early August. Bjorn Borg has just won Wimbledon a few weeks ago for the fifth straight time, beating McEnroe in an epic five-set match. This is the tenth major of his career (five French Opens, five Wimbledons). He is 24 years old, and playing the greatest tennis of his life, seeming to get better with each passing year since his career took off in 1974. If he wins the upcoming US Open, as seems likely, he will take the unusual (for him) step of going down to Australia in December to try to complete the Grand Slam.

He is being called by some the man who will go down in tennis history as the greatest player of all time, no questions asked. You offer knowledgeable tennis people (writers, commentators, other top players) a choice of two propositions:

1) Bjorn Borg will win ten more majors in his career.

2) Bjorn Borg will win one more major in his career.

I think the majority of those knowledgeable people, the OVERWHELMING majority, dare I say, would pick number one. The idea at that point the Borg would win only one more major would have probably seemed slightly ludicrous. Yet we here all know the real history.

Predicting the future is hard.

Absolutely agree. Because a pro/pundit gives an opinion doesn't make it any more knowledgeable than the educated tennis fan.

Marius_Hancu
10-19-2009, 03:17 AM
Murray is going to win some GSs, but won't dominate as much or for as long as Fed or even Nadal. Nor will Del Potro, for that matter. There will be a hiatus at the top in terms of longstanding domination.

henryshli
10-19-2009, 04:02 AM
I agree Federer and Nadal's dominance is coming to an end - probably in the next couple of years or so. It has to end at some point but I thought Nadal would last a bit longer.

i just hope that the next best thing in tennis isn't Murray. That wouyld be bad for the game both on and off the court. He doesn't have the personality or carisma to promote the game of the on court flair that would wow the spectators.

Azzurri
10-19-2009, 05:23 AM
federer is owned by nadal. no question about it. yes federer is a mug agreed.

the same krajicek that used to get owned by mental head case goran and slammed by loud mouth rusedski could play his regular game and still take petey to school on grass and on most surfaces. straight sets demolition. petey was krajicek's prison bia#ch even at wimbledon.

santoro sliced up petey on clay. delgado, schaller. lmao. pre-pubescent federer took down sampras in 5 sets when petey was serving 69%. his best weapon firing. LOL.

pete losing to feeble yzaga. that is like federer losing to rochus. haha. what a power player this petey is!!!!!!

petey losing to corretja twice - indoors and on grass after having chances to win both matches. i thought pete was the most mentally tough GOAT ever. thank goodness USA had roddick - he saved our *** in that tie!!!

I love petey...its true, but where is the argument?

i agree 100% with this post.

Telepatic
10-19-2009, 10:30 AM
Mostly correct. But remember he had some bad luck in AO and USO this year (sick in AO and some wrist problems at USO), which are the 2 slams where he has the best chance.

I think he was just fine at AO this year, its just Verdasco was really hot in that period and he's aggressive player>>Murray lose.As for USO, I'm not sure of any injury but its possible.


I am a little worried seeing the last 2 matches Delpo played. It is true that he was injured and a little burnt out after USO victory, but both Roger-Vasselin and Melzer somehow managed to expose his limited game. He seemed like a very one-dimensional player in those 2 matches. We'll see how it goes for him in Basel, Paris and London.

He obviously needs to prevent falling down mentally after huge win at USO (of course, I'm talking about taking things easily and some other stuff..), as I said, he got all predispositions so hopefully he'll recover from current injury.


He is really turning into a pusher. He plays more and more like Rafa and Murray, which is very bad because he will never be able to make sick passing shots like Murray or retrieve impossible balls like Nadal.
It seems like he adjusted his game to beat Rafa on clay, which may backfire big time in the future.
And most players become less aggressive as they age, so I'm not sure if Novak will ever return to his old game.

Yes, I'm afraid hes going more and more to pusher mode, hopefully, he'll realize on time that it ain't gonna work, I'm starting to see more and more Nadalish passing shots from him and less BH DTL-s and thunder forehands..Its working, he's still worlds top player but it sucks because hes using more potential with aggressive style of play..

World Beater
10-19-2009, 02:23 PM
i agree 100% with this post.

good.

sampras and federer are both mugs.

either that or they are both goats.

haha.

Azzurri
10-19-2009, 03:12 PM
good.

sampras and federer are both mugs.

either that or they are both goats.

haha.

correct, you got it..