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edmondsm
10-15-2009, 06:24 PM
January

Off-season. Absolutely no ATP tour events.

Febuary

Indoor tournaments for the first couple weeks:


Memphis
San Jose
Stockholm
Etc.


South American claycourts at the same time:


Vina del Mar
Costa de Suipe
Buenas Aires
Etc.


3rd week of February-Indian Wells immediately followed by Miami.

(the weather is pretty nice in both places this time of year, temperature in the 60's)

March

Aussie warm-ups the first two weeks, followed immediately by the Aussie Open


April and May

Clay court season begins as usual ending with the French Open


For me this makes a lot more sense then having the Aussie in January followed by a mix of American hard courts and South American clay courts before going to Europe. Get all those little tournaments done early, have IW and Miami, go do the Australia thing for a month, and then go to Europe. The entire month of January being blank will no doubt lead to some tournaments being dropped, but the players seem to want an off-season. It's gotta go somewhere.

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-15-2009, 07:05 PM
Good luck moving the Aussie...

Its in the Summer school holidays in Australia, and I can't see them moving it..

I say lose either Miami or Indian Wells, as well as either one or two tourney's like Montreal or Cincy, and a few clay court events, and then you have a decent sized season. I cant understand why we have two hard courts seasons, when we just finish with the Australian in January.

I say award a grass court masters to the calander and make the grass court season a little longer to help the players, and have an Australian Masters event. Thats why I say ditch either Miami or IW..

They should hold the Year end masters in October after the US, and then give them November and December off....

obsessedtennisfandisorder
10-15-2009, 08:12 PM
Good luck moving the Aussie...

Its in the Summer school holidays in Australia, and I can't see them moving it..

I say lose either Miami or Indian Wells, as well as either one or two tourney's like Montreal or Cincy, and a few clay court events, and then you have a decent sized season. I cant understand why we have two hard courts seasons, when we just finish with the Australian in January.

I say award a grass court masters to the calander and make the grass court season a little longer to help the players, and have an Australian Masters event. Thats why I say ditch either Miami or IW..

They should hold the Year end masters in October after the US, and then give them November and December off....

agree 100%...but good luck with that on these boards as there are a lot
of americans on here and they flame me sometimes, which you would expect.

I'm impressed the TWers embrace players from other countries and support them like their own...but when it comes to rejigging the calender?

I suggested last year swapping dates between IW/Miami and shanghai/paris
every alternate year and that did not go down well here either.
I also suggested scraping cinncy aswell as others in europe to reduce to just 5 ms tounrys.

Some made very valid points and maybe another approach is best.

I've said it before and I will say it again:

The top players should simply boycott masters series until the ranking system
is changed, but that won't happen because business wise...they can't see the forest for the trees.
Instead all we get is *****fests (like now) which help no-one.

As for the aussie open..it is a huge success largely because of where it is in the calender. ...I've made points before about that..and the hypocrisy
in wanting the tournanment moved later. I'm happy
to listen about moving the aussie when the US open is moved 2 weeks forward :)

AndrewD
10-15-2009, 08:13 PM
March

Aussie warm-ups the first two weeks, followed immediately by the Aussie Open

......For me this makes a lot more sense then having the Aussie in January followed by a mix of American hard courts and South American clay courts before going to Europe.


I'm sure you've brought this up a number of times now and each time it's been clearly and politely explained that the Australian Open CANNOT be played outside of the Dec-Jan-Feb timeslot.

Are you just looking to provoke another argument or do you need to have the explanation simplified even further (I don't think that's possible) ?

edmondsm
10-15-2009, 08:24 PM
I'm sure you've brought this up a number of times now and each time it's been clearly and politely explained that the Australian Open CANNOT be played outside of the Dec-Jan-Feb timeslot.

Are you just looking to provoke another argument or do you need to have the explanation simplified even further (I don't think that's possible) ?

Do a search, jackass, and see if I ever brought this up before. Why don't you school me in the reasons for not moving the Australian Open, since you obviously think yourself such the scholar that your first instinct is to condescend to the OP rather then enter into a civilized discussion.

Is the only reason for not moving the Aussie honestly have to do with the school days in Australia? That seems ridiculous.

jamesblakefan#1
10-15-2009, 08:30 PM
I actually posted this as my 2nd thread ever on TTW. :shock:

OK, we all know the season is too long. Here are some of my proposals to shorten things up. Or clear things up a bit.
1. Have the AO start in Feb.
2. Add an extra week or two between the French & Wimby
-This could maybe make room for...
3. Add a grass court MS title
-this way grass won't be seen as such a red-headed stepchild, save Wimbledon.
4. Shorten the US HC season
5. Have the last 2 Masters series events & the MC start early Oct.
-Less indoor warm-up events

Season over by the start of November.

As for the Davis Cup, maybe this isn't the right thread for that discussion, but what the heck. Davis Cup should be once ever 2 years, at different spots around the world, one week best of three (2 singles, one double rubber per tie) And to lessen the strain, make matches best of 3 sets.

Just a thought balloon, feel free to comment.

edmondsm
10-15-2009, 08:32 PM
They should hold the Year end masters in October after the US, and then give them November and December off....

They'd have to cram in the indoor masters right after the USO. They might end up getting even worse participation then they do now. Might be possible if they bag one of the indoor masters, which they should. I like the idea of getting rid of Cincy too. The US already has two masters events.

edmondsm
10-15-2009, 08:38 PM
As for the Davis Cup, maybe this isn't the right thread for that discussion, but what the heck. Davis Cup should be once ever 2 years, at different spots around the world, one week best of three (2 singles, one double rubber per tie) And to lessen the strain, make matches best of 3 sets.

Just a thought balloon, feel free to comment.

Maybe you could have a smaller qualifying Davis Cup every odd year with say, the semifinalists from the previous DC automatically qualifying.

I still say though that it would be awesome if the DC was every 4 years (2 years removed from the Olympics) and they took a month out of the schedule to play it, like the World Cup. This of course is an impossibility.

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-15-2009, 09:51 PM
They'd have to cram in the indoor masters right after the USO. They might end up getting even worse participation then they do now. Might be possible if they bag one of the indoor masters, which they should. I like the idea of getting rid of Cincy too. The US already has two masters events.

The fact is, if they are going to have any masters events, then they should be played evenly on all surfaces, and evenly across the globe. If you want to have Masters events in the US then play them before the US Open and get rid of IW and Miami, and make them 500 or 250 events.

You cant move the Australian Open, because yes, it is holiday time, and not only kids are off, but parents too. It will never be moved from January. So I say Australia should have a masters series on plexipave in Australia, or Asia to take over from IW and Miami, and have one in Brisbane, and the other in Asia alternating.

tikkimonkey
10-15-2009, 09:52 PM
Yay, SAP open.

jman
10-15-2009, 10:14 PM
March

Aussie warm-ups the first two weeks, followed immediately by the Aussie Open





Slotting the Aussie Open in March, is when Autumn season starts. Believe me, down there in Melbourne it starts to get really cold around that time of the year. I don't think the fans would be happy with that. Aussie Open is usually associated with Board shorts and beer, also girls in their bikini tops :P

I say scrap everything or don't make them mandatory after the U.S Open and play the ATP Tour Finals last week of October and DC stays as is. Also make either Halle or Queens a Grass Masters Event.

Baikalic
10-15-2009, 10:26 PM
Slotting the Aussie Open in March, is when Autumn season starts. Believe me, down there in Melbourne it starts to get really cold around that time of the year. I don't think the fans would be happy with that. Aussie Open is usually associated with Board shorts and beer, also girls in their bikini tops :P

I say scrap everything or don't make them mandatory after the U.S Open and play the ATP Tour Finals last week of October and DC stays as is. Also make either Halle or Queens a Grass Masters Event.

just how cold does Melbourne get?
just wondering.

IvanAndreevich
10-15-2009, 10:40 PM
No.

10 char

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-15-2009, 10:50 PM
just how cold does Melbourne get?
just wondering.

Lets just say they get snow from time to time..

jman
10-16-2009, 02:39 AM
just how cold does Melbourne get?
just wondering.

It varies, but around autumn and winter in can get well below 10C, I think that's about 50F.

8pNADAL
10-16-2009, 03:09 AM
australian open organisers dont care about tennis, they've been asked to change the date and refused, should move it to asia or something, maybe an INDOOR CARPET SLAM

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-16-2009, 04:11 AM
australian open organisers dont care about tennis, they've been asked to change the date and refused, should move it to asia or something, maybe an INDOOR CARPET SLAM

If you were old enough to even know. Then you would know that the Australian Open has already moved. It moved from Dec to Jan in the 80's.

Go read a history book and find out why Australia not only deserves, but has its own Grand Slam.. I am sick of young kids coming on the boards with stupid suggestions when they simply have no idea or clue about the history of the game..

Its idiots like you that will destroy this sport with ideas of chasing the money in markets like Asia simply because you might make a quick buck..

The Australian has already opened itself for growth by including Asia in its marketing, and calling itself the Grand Slam of Australia and Asia.

You would never see the US Open calling itself the grand Slam of the America's. Or Wimbledon and French becoming the Grand Slams of Europe and the middle east would you?

What more do people want? Australia to change its weather pattern to suite the northern hemisphere? Lets try moving our summer from Dec Jan to April or June, just so you trolls can get what you want?

Move the effing US Open, Wimbledon and the French if you want to move something.....

8pNADAL
10-16-2009, 04:13 AM
how is it relevant that australia already moved their slam? its still not a good date, hardly any preparation before it and a huge gap until the french open; maybe it can change its name to the australiasian open and have a different country from that area of the world host it each year

ace0001a
10-16-2009, 05:34 AM
If you were old enough to even know. Then you would know that the Australian Open has already moved. It moved from Dec to Jan in the 80's.

Go read a history book and find out why Australia not only deserves, but has its own Grand Slam.. I am sick of young kids coming on the boards with stupid suggestions when they simply have no idea or clue about the history of the game..

Its idiots like you that will destroy this sport with ideas of chasing the money in markets like Asia simply because you might make a quick buck..

The Australian has already opened itself for growth by including Asia in its marketing, and calling itself the Grand Slam of Australia and Asia.

You would never see the US Open calling itself the grand Slam of the America's. Or Wimbledon and French becoming the Grand Slams of Europe and the middle east would you?

What more do people want? Australia to change its weather pattern to suite the northern hemisphere? Lets try moving our summer from Dec Jan to April or June, just so you trolls can get what you want?

Move the effing US Open, Wimbledon and the French if you want to move something.....

Relax mate, a forum should be more tolerant and more constructive. It almost sounds like you've got a chip on your should when it comes to northern and southern hemisphere affairs. I've been a fan and player of the game for over 20 years and I do recall even hearing commentators like Fred Stolle and Cliff Drysdale saying they thought the Aussie Open should be moved. Reversed seasons aside, I always thought it was strange to have a Grandslam so early in the year. The US Open seems to fair well at the end of summer, so I can't see why it wouldn't work for the Aussie Open...so having it in late late January or even early to mid February would make more sense to me.

Found this article from earlier this year:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/australianopen/4276919/Andy-Murray-backs-calls-for-Australian-Open-to-be-moved-back.html

sureshs
10-16-2009, 06:23 AM
[QUOTE=Darth_Timmaayyy!!;4031068]The Australian has already opened itself for growth by including Asia in its marketing, and calling itself the Grand Slam of Australia and Asia.
QUOTE]

It is actually called the Grand Slam of the Asia-Pacific. Initially, they would not hand out wildcards to anyone from Asia. Then as the Asian economies picked up and Australia found that it had to depend on them or perish, they became broad-minded by necessity.

Australia is not the coveted place for cricket that it once was. In fact, Australian cricketers are fighting to get into teams outside their country, where they can make the big bucks. I don't see why it should continue to be one for tennis if the center of gravity of tennis and the economy shifts elsewhere. The Olympics and soccer World Cups rotate between different cities of the world. Why should tennis Slams always be in the same places?

8pNADAL
10-16-2009, 06:46 AM
i like the australian open, but i don't like some of the decisions they've made, including the surface change

bluetrain4
10-16-2009, 07:17 AM
I haven't read all the replies, so excuse me if this has already been said.

It makes perfect sense (on paper) to have Indian Wells and Miami as warm-up tournaments to an Australian Open played starting mid or late March. The weather in Melbourne would probably be generally better at that time as well.

But, the AO is a summer showcase event. Part of the success is that it occurs during the Australian summer. I think it would be very difficult to convince organizers to change that.

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-16-2009, 02:31 PM
I haven't read all the replies, so excuse me if this has already been said.

It makes perfect sense (on paper) to have Indian Wells and Miami as warm-up tournaments to an Australian Open played starting mid or late March. The weather in Melbourne would probably be generally better at that time as well.

But, the AO is a summer showcase event. Part of the success is that it occurs during the Australian summer. I think it would be very difficult to convince organizers to change that.

It seems like you guys have your priorities all mixed up.. The Australian Open is a Grand Slam. So why are you all so keen on having IW or Miami in the mix at all? Why should a Grand Slam tournament be moved simply so you can have IW and Miami on the schedule? A lead up to the Australian it would not be, as it is in a different time zone, different surface, and different weather? March in Melbourne as stated before can get cold. So that's why it cant be moved. Melbourne is known for its unusual weather. And it might even snow for all we know. Or rain out. Its just the way the place is..

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-16-2009, 02:46 PM
[QUOTE=Darth_Timmaayyy!!;4031068]The Australian has already opened itself for growth by including Asia in its marketing, and calling itself the Grand Slam of Australia and Asia.
QUOTE]

It is actually called the Grand Slam of the Asia-Pacific. Initially, they would not hand out wildcards to anyone from Asia. Then as the Asian economies picked up and Australia found that it had to depend on them or perish, they became broad-minded by necessity.

Australia is not the coveted place for cricket that it once was. In fact, Australian cricketers are fighting to get into teams outside their country, where they can make the big bucks. I don't see why it should continue to be one for tennis if the center of gravity of tennis and the economy shifts elsewhere. The Olympics and soccer World Cups rotate between different cities of the world. Why should tennis Slams always be in the same places?

Wow suresh. You really don't know what you are talking about? It has never been stated that the Australian Open has ever been in any doubt financially.. In fact, it is the Australian Open that keeps upping the prize money each year, and is always well supported. I doubt they have ever been in any trouble of losing the event (that has always been TT troll rumor-mongering and nothing more. I love where you get your info ;) ).

In fact the whole Asia thing is to gain even more support in the region, and bring the tournament to more people in the same time zone. The Australian Open Organizers and Tennis Australia didn't "need" to do this. But did. A smart move in my opinion in order to generate more revenue. They also help tennis in the region, and even bring in lucky kids from all over the region to participate as ball kids and experience the big show first hand.. Don't see anyone else doing that?

As for your other comments. Australia just won the Champions Trophy. And the so called players that cant get a game in Australia are all retired players that have been invited to India to play and earn big bucks playing in their domestic comp.. Hardly players that are still eligible for national selection considering they actually retired from International cricket.

As for the world cup and the Olympics.. They are completely different animals all together, and have a completely different History than tennis.. I guess you would like the start of the Olympics flame to begin in Los Angeles instead of Olympia in Greece also. Just because you feel that it should be rotated?

If you were to ask the players if they should move "any" of the grand slams, I am sure you would be met with a resounding NO. Particularly if you ask the ones like Federer who embellish the history of the game, and the players that represented it it before him.. You would get a big "no"...

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-16-2009, 02:53 PM
how is it relevant that australia already moved their slam? its still not a good date, hardly any preparation before it and a huge gap until the french open; maybe it can change its name to the australiasian open and have a different country from that area of the world host it each year

Its only not a good date for you. For the country of Australia, it is perfect because it is in our summer holiday season. People go to the tournament, and or watch it live on Television while having b-b-q's and parties..

If any tournament should be moved, it should be the US Open from September to August. That way you are also in your summer, and the year can come to a close sooner by playing the indoor tournaments in September October.

nfor304
10-16-2009, 06:48 PM
It is actually called the Grand Slam of the Asia-Pacific. Initially, they would not hand out wildcards to anyone from Asia. Then as the Asian economies picked up and Australia found that it had to depend on them or perish, they became broad-minded by necessity.

Australia is not the coveted place for cricket that it once was. In fact, Australian cricketers are fighting to get into teams outside their country, where they can make the big bucks. I don't see why it should continue to be one for tennis if the center of gravity of tennis and the economy shifts elsewhere. The Olympics and soccer World Cups rotate between different cities of the world. Why should tennis Slams always be in the same places?

The same thing could very easily be said about the state of tennis in the USA and the number of tournaments they have there. Why should the USA keep the USopen since their market has been shrinking at a far greater rate than either the european or asia-pacific markets? Of course I dont want that to happen but I hope you see my point of how silly yours statement is in regards to the Aus Open.

Should we move Wimbledon to Serbia or Belgium because the UK sucks at tennis and those countries see tennis growing rapidly in popularity?

What a disaster that would be for the popularity of the game.
Instead of tuning in to see Wimbledon every June fans all over the world turn on the TV and see Federer battling Nadal in some stadium in Belgrade.

There are 4 out of 9 masters series events in North America, compared to 0 in Australia and the UK, and 1 in France (also 1 in Monaco).

A huge positive change, imo, would be to push the Aus Open back to begin in mid Feb while it is still summer, rather than March which can be a fairly wet month in Melbourne, and have 1 of the Masters events, either Indian Wells or Miami, played in Asia or Australia (sydney or Adeleide) in the lead up to the event.

Have the French start a couple of weeks earlier, Wimbledon start at the same date but have a Masters event played on grass before hand, Push the USopen forward a couple of weeks and shorten the indoor season.

nfor304
10-16-2009, 06:53 PM
how is it relevant that australia already moved their slam? its still not a good date, hardly any preparation before it and a huge gap until the french open; maybe it can change its name to the australiasian open and have a different country from that area of the world host it each year

It's not a good date for you.
Luckily for everyone else the whole world doesn't revolve around you.

Tennis is not an American game. The season is not, and should not, be about what is best for American fans.

Maybe the USopen should be the American Open and have a different country in North or South America host it every year.

:confused:

srinrajesh
10-17-2009, 10:41 AM
Reduce the no. of Masters to 8 from 9. Move two masters out of US- one to Aus. and One dropped off altogether.
Sttart AO in Feb after playing one masters (climate would be less hotter as well)
Play the davis cup 1st R and QTF in the same week at common venue.
Make Queens club the grass masters and increase gap between FO and Wimby to 4 weeks. Move the USO one week earlier so that the indoor season starts end of september and the YEC ends by october end.

The davis cup final ends by november first week and the new season would start Mid January giving all players minimum of 2 months rest. Here's the summary

Jan Warm ups start Mid Jan 1 MS Hard
Feb AO
March Davis Cup 1st rd and QTF 1 MS Hard
April 1 MS Clay
May 1 MS Clay FO
June 1MS
July Wimby (Min 3-4 weeks gap after FO)
July
Aug 1 MS and USO
Sep Davis cup SF
Oct 2 MS YEC
Nov 1st week Davis cup final

SuperDuy
10-17-2009, 10:44 AM
Don't lose Montreal/Toronto, thats our only ATP tour event in Canada!

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-17-2009, 03:45 PM
Don't lose Montreal/Toronto, thats our only ATP tour event in Canada!

I don't mind Montreal/Toronto because at least it rotates in order for more people to enjoy it.. But 4 out of 9 Masters in the North America is over kill....

I say, get rid of IW and Miami, and rotate them with Cincy...

As for the AO, it simply cant and shouldn't be moved because of the holiday season. I actually don't mind the break between the AO and FO.. A lot of tennis is played between then.

Keep the dates as is, with Brisbane being a Masters event (the players all seem happy to arrive early for that anyway by the names already booked), and the Hopman Cup and Kooyong (men & women) event as warm ups. As well as Auckland and Hobart for the girls.

My Masters events would be:

1)Brisbane/Sydney: Plexipave

GS: Australian Open: Plexipave

2)Rome: Clay

3)Madrid: Clay

GS: French Open: Clay

Monte-Carlo (Optional)

4)Queens/Halle: Grass

GS: Wimbeldon: Grass

5)Montreal/Toronto: HC

6)Cinsinnati/ Indian Wells/ Miami: HC

GS: US Open: HC

7)Shanghai/ Tokyo/: Indoor

8 )Paris: Indoor

ATP Final: Rotating between Continents.

bjk
10-17-2009, 06:51 PM
Why not make Jan/Feb the Asia tour - have Japan start off the year, then AO, then the China leg in February, with China Open and Shanghai. That way there wouldn't have to be an Asia tour after USO.

Then after USO would be the Europe indoor season, and you could shave a month off the season, which would end by Halloween.

bjk
10-17-2009, 06:53 PM
It makes no sense to devote the equivalent of a month of the tennis season to Australia, with all the warm-up tournaments and then the AO. Split some of those weeks with Japan, like I suggested. Japan is a huge market, much bigger than Australia.

CatLasagna
10-17-2009, 07:01 PM
"Why should tennis Slams always be in the same places?"

Would you like to move Wimbledon somewhere else?
How about Roland Garros?
Maybe shift the US Open across to the West?
The Australian open can go to China ..... that'll work out well....

Slams need to stay where they are because thats what they are for. Having a definite location for a given surface. If Asia establishes itself as a power in tennis and even more so in the economy in the coming years, then perhaps they could push the case for a 5th Grand Slam.

Just dont see the Australian Open moving ever, such a bad idea.

bjk
10-17-2009, 07:08 PM
You probably can't start with Japan because it's an indoors event. Ok so have an Asian indoor series after the AO. Maybe have Japan right after AO then the China leg.

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-17-2009, 11:14 PM
It makes no sense to devote the equivalent of a month of the tennis season to Australia, with all the warm-up tournaments and then the AO. Split some of those weeks with Japan, like I suggested. Japan is a huge market, much bigger than Australia.

We already have a month devoted to tennis, so I don't understand this point? You simply have to have the month devoted purely so the players can adjust to the climate and time zone. Kinda like why do we need to have a month long US Open series before the USO? Same reason.

Its just a shame that too much time is wasted at IW and Miami, and a few of the clay tournaments, when the grass season gets no love at all.. That's why I believe there should be more of a grass season and a little less of the clay and US HC. You would see better tennis, and prolong players careers.

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-17-2009, 11:15 PM
You probably can't start with Japan because it's an indoors event. Ok so have an Asian indoor series after the AO. Maybe have Japan right after AO then the China leg.

Japan is an out door event with a retractable roof... But in saying that, it can be used for an indoor tournament if needed...

bjk
10-18-2009, 04:25 AM
THere are 180 million people in Japan, the world's second largest economy. There are 21 million people in Australia. Devoting 1/10 of the tennis season to Australia is like devoting a month of tennis to Canada. It makes no sense.

Crispix
10-18-2009, 04:59 AM
THere are 180 million people in Japan, the world's second largest economy. There are 21 million people in Australia. Devoting 1/10 of the tennis season to Australia is like devoting a month of tennis to Canada. It makes no sense.

Japanese people aren't really into tennis that much, when compared to Australia, I mean compare the great tennis players from Australia to the ones from Japan (Which isn't much i add...).

NamRanger
10-18-2009, 07:07 AM
I don't mind Montreal/Toronto because at least it rotates in order for more people to enjoy it.. But 4 out of 9 Masters in the North America is over kill....

I say, get rid of IW and Miami, and rotate them with Cincy...

As for the AO, it simply cant and shouldn't be moved because of the holiday season. I actually don't mind the break between the AO and FO.. A lot of tennis is played between then.

Keep the dates as is, with Brisbane being a Masters event (the players all seem happy to arrive early for that anyway by the names already booked), and the Hopman Cup and Kooyong (men & women) event as warm ups. As well as Auckland and Hobart for the girls.

My Masters events would be:

1)Brisbane/Sydney: Plexipave

GS: Australian Open: Plexipave

2)Rome: Clay

3)Madrid: Clay

GS: French Open: Clay

Monte-Carlo (Optional)

4)Queens/Halle: Grass

GS: Wimbeldon: Grass

5)Montreal/Toronto: HC

6)Cinsinnati/ Indian Wells/ Miami: HC

GS: US Open: HC

7)Shanghai/ Tokyo/: Indoor

8 )Paris: Indoor

ATP Final: Rotating between Continents.




It's not overkill as that's the way it's been for a very long time. Cincinnati, Montreal, Miami, and Indian Wells are probably the 4 biggest events. Miami and Indian Wells easily are the top 2 attended masters, and Cincinnati and Montreal consistently pull big crowds every year.



They are not going to move them. Trust me.

Lotto
10-18-2009, 11:03 AM
The Clay-court season-Wimbledon needs restructuring, thats what needs to be changed big time!! If someone does really well and wins the RG-Wimbledon double they will struggle fitness wise towards the latter end with tiredness, ala Rafa and even Roger is more tired this season...arguably the twins but the double took a monumental effort.

statto
10-18-2009, 11:47 AM
I like Darth Timmaayyy's schedule a lot. One thing is for sure - you shouldn't prioritise masters events over slams. I'd tweak one or two things though:

January
MS#1: Indian Wells/Miami
MS#2: Shanghai/Tokyo/Wellington
February
GS#1: Australian Open
March
MS#3: Monte Carlo
MS#4: Rome/Madrid
April
GS#2: Roland Garros
May
MS#5: Queens/Halle
June
GS#3: Wimbledon
July
MS#6: Canada
MS#7: Cincinnati
August
GS#4: US Open
September
MS#8: Paris/Hamburg
ATP Finals: Various
October-December
Off

In the months with two masters titles players would have the option of only playing one. Under this schedule they could play them all and still only have to play two weeks per month.

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-18-2009, 01:50 PM
THere are 180 million people in Japan, the world's second largest economy. There are 21 million people in Australia. Devoting 1/10 of the tennis season to Australia is like devoting a month of tennis to Canada. It makes no sense.

I laugh every time you post. Because you never get your information right..

Japan only has 120 million people. not 180. Secondly, tennis isn't even available on free to air television in Japan, and what ever you can find of it, its always a month late anyway on replay. Lastly. Did you see the crowds at the last two events in Tokyo recently. The place wasn't even half full for the finals, and barely quarter full for the round matches.

Australia on the other hand sells out everything.. Been to an Australian Open recently? That place is always humming in January, and now with the new tournament in Brisbane starting last at the beginning of this yea at the new center. Well try moving around there. Also, Australia is lucky that we have a broadcaster like Channel seven, that dedicates its summer to tennis coverage.. I mean all day every day. Can you say that about tv coverage in the US? espn, cbs anyone??

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-18-2009, 01:51 PM
Lmao to all you who are saying to take away Indian wells. I got 2 words to you all. FU.. YOU

i love t3nn1s..

What a cute name. Did you think that one up yourself?

lol

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-19-2009, 02:44 AM
I like Darth Timmaayyy's schedule a lot. One thing is for sure - you shouldn't prioritise masters events over slams. I'd tweak one or two things though:

January

MS#1: Brisbane Plexipave
GS#1: Australian Open Plexipave

February

Optional Masters event in Asia: Singapore/ Malaysia/ Thailand Plexipave

March

MS#2: Rome (Italian Open) Clay

Optional Masters event: Monte Carlo Clay

April

MS#3: Madrid (Spanish Open) Clay
GS#2: Roland Garros Clay

May

MS#4: Queens/Halle Grass

June

GS#3: Wimbledon Grass

July

MS#5: Motreal/Toronto Canadian Open HC
MS#6: Cincinnati/ IW/ Miami HC

August

GS#4: US Open HC

September

MS#7: Shanghai/ Tokyo Indoor
MS#8: Paris/Hamburg Indoor

October

ATP Finals: Rotating Continents and surfaces.

October 16th -December 31st
Off


I changed it a little for you.. Becaue of the weather still being cold in the northern hemisphere in February, I thought that the season does have room for 10 Master events. But feel that two of those events should be optional. Meaning that they dont have to play if they don't want. However, if IW and Miami want to keep their tournament, then they should only be 250 or 500 point events, and not masters. I did the same with Monte Carlo, as with France having a Grand Slam at Roland Garros, and an indoor MS event in Paris. Then I think that another tournament in that area is not necessary.

I also believe that the year end Masters should Rotate continents and be played on different surfaces that the hosts wish to use. Indoor or out door..