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8pNADAL
10-16-2009, 10:41 PM
http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/15/shawn-johnson-warner-business-sports-nadal.html

Rafael Nadal

Tennis
Percent Like: 68%

People see him as: Exciting, handsome, emotional

The 23-year-old Spaniard, who's already got six Grand Slam titles and an Olympic gold medal under his belt, has recently vaulted into the limelight on the back of a growing rivalry with Roger Federer.

RCizzle65
10-16-2009, 10:46 PM
TBH, I don't even see how he made it, Tennis isn't exactly big around here anymore, which is sad.

OHBH
10-16-2009, 10:51 PM
That list is ridiculous. How could a rodeo rider have enough exposure to be on America's radar, and who the heck is Robin Roberts. Hint: the poll asked a mere 1100 people not enough of a vote to count for anything. Clearly just made up stuff.

OHBH
10-16-2009, 10:52 PM
TBH, I don't even see how he made it, Tennis isn't exactly big around here anymore, which is sad.

This is also true. More Am,ericans know about Agassi more than any other tennis player I would guess.

paulorenzo
10-16-2009, 10:55 PM
This is also true. More Am,ericans know about Agassi more than any other tennis player I would guess.

agassi mcenroe roddick and sampras. thats about it for the general populous.

boredone3456
10-16-2009, 11:00 PM
That list is ridiculous. How could a rodeo rider have enough exposure to be on America's radar, and who the heck is Robin Roberts. Hint: the poll asked a mere 1100 people not enough of a vote to count for anything. Clearly just made up stuff.

Ty Murray was on Dancing with the Stars...a show which is a juggernaut in America...its really not that surprising to me that he would make the list considering I believe he lasted quite a while on the show.

IvanAndreevich
10-16-2009, 11:21 PM
I guess Americans think Fed's American.

Baikalic
10-16-2009, 11:29 PM
That list is ridiculous. How could a rodeo rider have enough exposure to be on America's radar, and who the heck is Robin Roberts. Hint: the poll asked a mere 1100 people not enough of a vote to count for anything. Clearly just made up stuff.

It's the manner of that the polling was conducted that matters. If the procedure was a la Gallup poll with 1000 randomly selected, then it is a reasonable representative sample. If it was an online poll then :) haha

QFA: E-Poll scientifically surveyed a representative sample of 1,100 people age 13 and over. Candidates were limited to active athletes, coaches or commentators with a minimum 10% awareness rating.

egn
10-16-2009, 11:55 PM
its on Forbes..case end and point.

Agassifan
10-17-2009, 12:24 AM
I am 100% sure that 68% of americans have never heard of Rafa Nadal. Although Nadal won a few fans by staying cool when the idiot ran on to the court.

8pNADAL
10-17-2009, 12:29 AM
^nadal does get the biggest crowds in the us open

mandy01
10-17-2009, 12:35 AM
^nadal does get the biggest crowds in the us open
No.It was everywhere last year that Federer was drawing the biggest crowds at the USO and was getting maximum crowd-support.Not sure about this year though because the crowds there usually support the underdog.

8pNADAL
10-17-2009, 12:37 AM
No.It was everywhere last year that Federer was drawing the biggest crowds at the USO.Not sure about this year though.

youll have to produce the stats to prove that, because i know for a fact nadal sessions had far greater attendance during the 08 us open (by a margin of thousands, despite playing one less match), it was mentioned during coverage that year

crawl4
10-17-2009, 12:40 AM
youll have to produce the stats to prove that, because i know for a fact nadal sessions had far greater attendance during the 08 us open (by a margin of thousands, despite playing one less match), it was mentioned during coverage that year

could i see your stats? :razz:

8pNADAL
10-17-2009, 12:41 AM
could i see your stats? :razz:

youd have to have watched the tennis that year, i didnt take a photo of the tv

mandy01
10-17-2009, 12:43 AM
youll have to produce the stats to prove that, because i know for a fact nadal sessions had far greater attendance during the 08 us open (by a margin of thousands, despite playing one less match), it was mentioned during coverage that year Why dont you produce some statistics first kid?
And I dont give a ***** about your coverage nonsense because last year everytime I heard they were saying how great a support Roger was receiving in New York..
On the opening day,when all Champions are invited,Roger inspite of being non-American was the only man to receive a standing ovation while he was being introduced.
Dont believe me?Go read his interviews even the press was asking him about the ridiculous amount of support he received inspite of being a non-American.

Go see the video of the opening night on youtube.
edit-I saw quite a few empty seats for Nadal's matches if thats what you're going to use as a statistic :lol:

8pNADAL
10-17-2009, 12:46 AM
Why dont you produce some statistics first kid?
And I dont give a ***** about your coverage nonsense because last year everytime I heard they were saying how great a support Roger was receiving in New York..
On the opening day,when all Champions are invited,Roger inspite of being non-American was the only man to receive a standing ovation while he was being introduced.
Dont believe me?Go read his interviews even the press was asking him about the ridiculous amount of support he received inspite of being a non-American.

Go see the video of the opening night on youtube.


i dont need to produce stats i already saw them, plus nadal wasnt in the champions day

mandy01
10-17-2009, 12:51 AM
i dont need to produce stats i already saw them, plus nadal wasnt in the champions day Where did you see them o' enchanted soul? :lol:

8pNADAL
10-17-2009, 12:53 AM
my television screen inside the box

Cesc Fabregas
10-17-2009, 12:54 AM
I think the general public see Nadal as a really down to earth guy, lets not forget he still lives in the same place that he was brought up in.

mandy01
10-17-2009, 12:57 AM
my television screen inside the boxwow great stats....:shock:
Unfortunately though I saw quite a few empty seats at Nadal's matches :oops: :twisted:
I mean if thats what your stats are :lol:

8pNADAL
10-17-2009, 12:59 AM
wow great stats....:shock:
Unfortunately though I saw quite a few empty seats at Nadal's matches :oops: :twisted:
I mean if thats what your stats are :lol:

nah i mean 'numbers'

Adi-das
10-17-2009, 01:00 AM
Don't know which match Mandy01 saw, cos the stadium was almost full when Nadal played Ljubicic.

mandy01
10-17-2009, 01:02 AM
nah i mean 'numbers'Which numbers O'Enchanted soul?

8pNADAL
10-17-2009, 01:03 AM
Which numbers O'Enchanted soul?

total sessions attendance numbers for each player

mandy01
10-17-2009, 01:04 AM
total sessions attendance numbers for each player
funny...so produce them.You can lie out of your teeth for all I'd believe.

8pNADAL
10-17-2009, 01:05 AM
funny...so produce them.You can lie out of your teeth for all I'd believe.

this isnt about convincing you, just stating a fact

mandy01
10-17-2009, 01:07 AM
this isnt about convincing you, just stating a fact
There is no fact dude..its just you lying out of your teeth :lol:

P_Agony
10-17-2009, 01:12 AM
^nadal does get the biggest crowds in the us open

So much false in one sentence.

slice bh compliment
10-17-2009, 01:14 AM
I see it at clubs, parks and in general. Nadal might be non-American, but he's being adopted pretty quickly over here.

You know how gay folks co-opt, and even 'out' certain celebrities? Well the Chicanos, Latinos and the Native Americans love Rafa over here....maybe they identify with him. I've noticed Asians and Indian kids love him too. So do middle aged white dudes who normally like Roddick types. High Q rating....ethnic crossover Benetton look with a hardworking, humble persona.

What's not to like? He's a nice kid, he's quick, strong, agile....he's pretty down to earth/almost blue collar...he'd win an All-Madden award if he were playing football.

A nice change from the skinny, lilywhite clubby tennis player stereotype of yesteryear.

P_Agony
10-17-2009, 01:19 AM
this isnt about convincing you, just stating a fact

You are a clown. If you're going to state facts, you have to produce evidence to support those facts, otherwise it's just an opinion. Looking at your screen does not produce real stats.

And I agree with Mandy, I've seen many empty seats in Nadal's matches, where Roger's matches have a lot less. And giving USO 08 as an example is bad, because Roger was getting the biggest support in this tourney, some would argue even more than the americans. It was clear the tennis fans wanted him to win the last slam of the year after losing the last one in a very tight contest. Plus, if I recall correctly I think the crowd was acutally against Nadal in the semi against Murray.

Cesc Fabregas
10-17-2009, 01:21 AM
You are a clown. If you're going to state facts, you have to produce evidence to support those facts, otherwise it's just an opinion. Looking at your screen does not produce real stats.

And I agree with Mandy, I've seen many empty seats in Nadal's matches, where Roger's matches have a lot less. And giving USO 08 as an example is bad, because Roger was getting the biggest support in this tourney, some would argue even more than the americans. It was clear the tennis fans wanted him to win the last slam of the year after losing the last one in a very tight contest. Plus, if I recall correctly I think the crowd was acutally against Nadal in the semi against Murray.

Its pretty sad that you look for empty seats in Nadal's matchs to give you self satifaction that Federer is more popular. :oops:

8pNADAL
10-17-2009, 01:22 AM
these people are obsessed beyond stalker level

Agassifan
10-17-2009, 01:37 AM
LOL. If you ever say Nadal (or any other random bloke) draws a bigger crowd than federer, you're either lying or don't know jack.

mandy01
10-17-2009, 01:44 AM
Its pretty sad that you look for empty seats in Nadal's matchs to give you self satifaction that Federer is more popular. :oops:
er......no :lol:

Baikalic
10-17-2009, 02:59 AM
I see it at clubs, parks and in general. Nadal might be non-American, but he's being adopted pretty quickly over here.

You know how gay folks co-opt, and even 'out' certain celebrities? Well the Chicanos, Latinos and the Native Americans love Rafa over here....maybe they identify with him. I've noticed Asians and Indian kids love him too. So do middle aged white dudes who normally like Roddick types. High Q rating....ethnic crossover Benetton look with a hardworking, humble persona.

What's not to like? He's a nice kid, he's quick, strong, agile....he's pretty down to earth/almost blue collar...he'd win an All-Madden award if he were playing football.

A nice change from the skinny, lilywhite clubby tennis player stereotype of yesteryear.

This is a good, and hey, he didn't say anything about Federer or Nadal drawing the bigger crowd! I don't get what 8pNadal is trying to start here. :-|

I wouldn't say he's blue collar though, his family was quite well off; perhaps it's his attitude and workman style of play that contributes to this idea of being not of the "elite."

I think Fed probably has the bigger crowd at the US Open because of his long history of success there, but I don't think relative fan numbers matter as much as the fact that American fans really want a Nadal-Fed final like the other grand slams have had the fortunate of entertaining, and they'll cheer both of them on to get there.

Rataplan
10-17-2009, 03:37 AM
wow great stats....:shock:
Says the person who urged others to check out youtube for prove that Fed attracts bigger crowds. You can't produce decent stats either so why go on about it?
quote: "Go see the video of the opening night on youtube."

I think it's safe to assume that both attract a good crowd. The rest of his discussion is yet another episode in the ongoing *******s vs *******s p*ss**g contest.

mandy01
10-17-2009, 04:15 AM
Says the person who urged others to check out youtube for prove that Fed attracts bigger crowds. You can't produce decent stats either so why go on about it?
quote: "Go see the video of the opening night on youtube."

I think it's safe to assume that both attract a good crowd. The rest of his discussion is yet another episode in the ongoing *******s vs *******s p*ss**g contest.
Why should you bother responding then? :lol: It was never meant to be a serious discussion in the first place :lol:
btw-Didnt I say go check out Roger's interviews also? The journos brought it up time and again and there was a video on it on youtube.Thats all I said :lol:
I didnt make any statement for the number of seats Roger was selling :lol:

JennyS
10-17-2009, 04:25 AM
I guess Americans think Fed's American.

My mom thought he was:D

P_Agony
10-17-2009, 05:12 AM
Its pretty sad that you look for empty seats in Nadal's matchs to give you self satifaction that Federer is more popular. :oops:

Hardly. I don't give a crap about who's more popular. I just know Federer is.

Rataplan
10-17-2009, 06:53 AM
Why should you bother responding then? :lol:
Because I love reading your nonsense replies to nonsense comments. You're quite the competitor in p*ss*ng contests. Doesn't have to make sense, as long as you keep replying to defend your sweet Rogie, right?

It was never meant to be a serious discussion in the first place :lol:
btw-Didnt I say go check out Roger's interviews also? The journos brought it up time and again and there was a video on it on youtube.Thats all I said :lol:
I didnt make any statement for the number of seats Roger was selling :lol:
I read an interview with a US Open official saying that Rafa draws the biggest crowds on and off court. Keeping in mind that they're both popular with the crowds, it just depends where you look for info to manipulate the discussion your way if you care enough to do so.
However, I think it's safe to assume that they both attract big numbers.

Ledigs
10-17-2009, 06:59 AM
wow great stats....:shock:
Unfortunately though I saw quite a few empty seats at Nadal's matches :oops: :twisted:
I mean if thats what your stats are :lol:

I was at us open and the stadium for fed and nadal was pretty much the same

8pNADAL
10-17-2009, 07:00 AM
i know the facts, i saw the numbers on the screen, whereas federer fans just know what they want to be true

mandy01
10-17-2009, 07:04 AM
Because I love reading your nonsense replies to nonsense comments. You're quite the competitor in p*ss*ng contests. Doesn't have to make sense, as long as you keep replying to defend your sweet Rogie, right?


I read an interview with a US Open official saying that Rafa draws the biggest crowds on and off court. Keeping in mind that they're both popular with the crowds, it just depends where you look for info to manipulate the discussion your way if you care enough to do so.
However, I think it's safe to assume that they both attract big numbers.
For the first part-Ahh..thanks man...I'm glad you like them. :D

btw-Who was that US Open official?

mandy01
10-17-2009, 07:06 AM
I was at us open and the stadium for fed and nadal was pretty much the same
I know..I'm only playing along :lol:
I do think the crowds really got behind Roger last year..probably because he was the underdog in many ways.I do however think they're both pretty popular in NY .

Adi-das
10-17-2009, 07:13 AM
Someone here's on shandy, and it might be Mandy.

feetofclay
10-17-2009, 08:02 AM
I guess Americans think Fed's American.

I don't know about that, but they did think Federer is staid.

TheTruth
10-17-2009, 08:27 AM
youll have to produce the stats to prove that, because i know for a fact nadal sessions had far greater attendance during the 08 us open (by a margin of thousands, despite playing one less match), it was mentioned during coverage that year

I remember that, plus all you had to do was look in the stands.

TheTruth
10-17-2009, 08:33 AM
Because I love reading your nonsense replies to nonsense comments. You're quite the competitor in p*ss*ng contests. Doesn't have to make sense, as long as you keep replying to defend your sweet Rogie, right?


I read an interview with a US Open official saying that Rafa draws the biggest crowds on and off court. Keeping in mind that they're both popular with the crowds, it just depends where you look for info to manipulate the discussion your way if you care enough to do so.
However, I think it's safe to assume that they both attract big numbers.

Great post and so true. It's not a slight against Federer. They do both draw big crowds, but it's hard to believe some of these posters haven't heard them constantly referring to Rafa's rock star appeal. There's no argument here, folks. He made the list. Deal with it! Good gugamooga!

slice bh compliment
10-17-2009, 08:39 AM
This is a good, ....

I wouldn't say he's blue collar though, his family was quite well off; perhaps it's his attitude and workman style of play that contributes to this idea of being not of the "elite." ....

Yeah, that's really what I meant. His game is very workmanlike. He walks like a blue collar guy. He sweats like a blue collar guy. The Pat Rafter fan in me likes Rafa, even though I prefer an attacking player with a one-handed backhand.

Well, here's to Rafa making a comeback. This has been a tough five months.

norbac
10-17-2009, 10:50 AM
Kinda surprised Tommy Robredo didn't make the list...

UsualSuspect
10-17-2009, 10:52 AM
Kinda surprised Tommy Robredo didn't make the list...
Indeed. Same goes for Davydenko.

tangerine
10-17-2009, 11:41 AM
This is sure to **** off the insecure Federer fans. :lol:

jamesblakefan#1
10-17-2009, 11:46 AM
Surprised to see a tennis star in there for America....good to see though. Nadal appeals more to the American style - he seems more down to earth than Federer, and his intensity and excitement out on court really brings in the fans. Nadal is good for the sport, I don't see how anyone can see this as a bad thing, other than the most intense *******s.

drakulie
10-17-2009, 11:48 AM
america loves the underdog.

BallzofSkill
10-17-2009, 11:51 AM
i know the facts, i saw the numbers on the screen, whereas federer fans just know what they want to be true

funny how you're the only one who's seen these 'numbers'.

drakulie
10-17-2009, 11:55 AM
funny how you're the only one who's seen these 'numbers'.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_aaFzpwmHqbE/SA4q4-RRe6I/AAAAAAAACV4/s4aNfs58JY0/s400/Movie_i_see_dead_people.jpg

UsualSuspect
10-17-2009, 11:55 AM
I am happy that there is atleast one tennis star in america's most liked sports figures. Nadal is an amazing tennis player and deserves the recognition .However, I am bit suprised that Federer didnt make the list. According to most stats, Federer is by far the most popular tennis player in the world. I guess the U.S. is different story.

SerbWhoLovesDelPo
10-17-2009, 12:02 PM
How easily people get upset around here. Not even funny.

I dont pay too much attention to the crowds, but it seems to me that US crowds (and most others) either cheer the underdog or an American. Neither Rafa not Fed are crowd favorites.

bolo
10-17-2009, 12:04 PM
I agree with usualsuspect this probably just means nadal is more liked in the U.S. But it would be nice to see a survey like this for other parts of the world as well. Could be some surprises there too.

feetofclay
10-17-2009, 12:10 PM
The commentators for the Shanghai Masters, here on UK television are constantly referring to the popularity of Nadal. They think he must be the most loved player throughout the world. During the Nadal Blake match they said that both Blake and Nadal were exciting and charismatic, whilst Federer was pretty neutral.

jackson vile
10-17-2009, 01:08 PM
Nadal is exremely popular and becoming more so by the day. He is drawing a lot of new fans to our sport. I talk to people at school that have no idea how tennis is played, however they know who Nadal is.

Oh no here comes the haters again LOL

GasquetGOAT
10-17-2009, 01:10 PM
Federer is exremely popular and becoming more so by the day. He is drawing a lot of new fans to our sport. I talk to people at school that have no idea how tennis is played, however they know who Federer is.


The commentators for the Cinninatti Masters, here on UK television were constantly referring to the popularity of Federer. They think he must be the most loved player throughout the world. During the Federer Djokovic match they said that both Djokovic and Federer were exciting and charismatic, whilst Nadal is full of excuses.

jackson vile
10-17-2009, 01:11 PM
You are a clown. If you're going to state facts, you have to produce evidence to support those facts, otherwise it's just an opinion. Looking at your screen does not produce real stats.

And I agree with Mandy, I've seen many empty seats in Nadal's matches, where Roger's matches have a lot less. And giving USO 08 as an example is bad, because Roger was getting the biggest support in this tourney, some would argue even more than the americans. It was clear the tennis fans wanted him to win the last slam of the year after losing the last one in a very tight contest. Plus, if I recall correctly I think the crowd was acutally against Nadal in the semi against Murray.


Strange that you did not make the same request and comment from Mandy, especially when Mandy is the one the spoke first.

With that said, you guys are in a lame argument that neither is going to win, enjoy.

P_Agony
10-17-2009, 01:14 PM
Surprised to see a tennis star in there for America....good to see though. Nadal appeals more to the American style - he seems more down to earth than Federer, and his intensity and excitement out on court really brings in the fans. Nadal is good for the sport, I don't see how anyone can see this as a bad thing, other than the most intense *******s.

Nadal is great for the sport, but I seriously doubt he's more popular in America than Federer. But oh well...

P_Agony
10-17-2009, 01:16 PM
Strange that you did not make the same request and comment from Mandy, especially when Mandy is the one the spoke first.

With that said, you guys are in a lame argument that neither is going to win, enjoy.

Mandy doesn't claim any facts, and neither am I. It's impossible to do that, and that is why the whole argument is silly. Mandy's claims were based on what she saw, and as far as I remember she didn't refer to them as facts, unlike 8pNADAL, who clearly said he was stating a fact.

For the record, I think both Fed and Nadal are ultra popular, and I also think it's natural that the #1 player in the world is the most popular player.

aphex
10-17-2009, 01:17 PM
youll have to produce the stats to prove that, because i know for a fact nadal sessions had far greater attendance during the 08 us open (by a margin of thousands, despite playing one less match), it was mentioned during coverage that year

could i see your stats? :razz:

youd have to have watched the tennis that year, i didnt take a photo of the tv

i dont need to produce stats i already saw them, plus nadal wasnt in the champions day

http://www.iuniverse.com/CoverImages/161071/SKU-000127822_XL.gif

statto
10-17-2009, 01:17 PM
In the UK both Federer and Nadal draw big crowds and I'd say they are pretty even in the popularity stakes though Nadal maybe just edges it.

To most people in the UK tennis only exists for two weeks of the year, and for that reason Federer should be way more popular than Nadal, but there was a similar situation between Sampras and Agassi. Sampras was way more successful at Wimbledon than Agassi, but Agassi was more loved.

I'm sure Pete would have been willing to play the exhibition match with the roof, but they asked Agassi to (though his missus might have had something to do with it :)).

GasquetGOAT
10-17-2009, 01:21 PM
I see it at clubs, parks and in general. Nadal might be non-American, but he's being adopted pretty quickly over here.

You know how gay folks co-opt, and even 'out' certain celebrities? Well the Chicanos, Latinos and the Native Americans love Rafa over here....maybe they identify with him. I've noticed Asians and Indian kids love him too. So do middle aged white dudes who normally like Roddick types. High Q rating....ethnic crossover Benetton look with a hardworking, humble persona.

What's not to like? He's a nice kid, he's quick, strong, agile....he's pretty down to earth/almost blue collar...he'd win an All-Madden award if he were playing football.

A nice change from the skinny, lilywhite clubby tennis player stereotype of yesteryear.

Not sure about Indian kids but my Asian friends tell me Federer is way more popular than Nadal in Taiwan, South Korea and China.

EtePras
10-17-2009, 01:28 PM
Looks like Americans are just as racist as ever. Until the top 10 has the same racial distribution as the actual world population, I conclude Americans are bigots who judge people by the color of their skin. Not a shock by any means to see such a group of people picking Nadal over the infinitely better Federer.

UsualSuspect
10-17-2009, 01:35 PM
Nadal is exremely popular and becoming more so by the day. He is drawing a lot of new fans to our sport. I talk to people at school that have no idea how tennis is played, however they know who Nadal is.

Oh no here comes the haters again LOL
I agree. After Wimbledon 2008, lots of people know who Nadal is. You can see a bunch of noobs on court with Nadal gear and APDC's who cant even hit a ball over the net.

statto
10-17-2009, 01:39 PM
Looks like Americans are just as racist as ever. Until the top 10 has the same racial distribution as the actual world population, I conclude Americans are bigots who judge people by the color of their skin. Not a shock by any means to see such a group of people picking Nadal over the infinitely better Federer.

Are you being sarcastic? America is a nation, not a racial group. There are several black people in the list, and Nadal is Hispanic whereas Federer is Caucasian, so if anything they show their lack of racial bias by picking Nadal.

UsualSuspect
10-17-2009, 01:43 PM
Are you being sarcastic? America is a nation, not a racial group. There are several black people in the list, and Nadal is Hispanic whereas Federer is Caucasian, so if anything they show their lack of racial bias by picking Nadal.
You are newer than me here so I just want you to know that EtePras posts nothing by nonsense. He himself isnt serious.:)

OHBH
10-17-2009, 01:57 PM
How come every thread becomes Nadal vs Federer? Does anybody read the topic of threads any more.

feetofclay
10-17-2009, 03:35 PM
A Nadal is Hispanic whereas Federer is Caucasian, so if anything they show their lack of racial bias by picking Nadal.

Nadal is Spanish. He comes from Spain which is in Europe.

Definition of Caucasian:- A person belonging to that one of the main ethnological divisions of mankind which is native to Europe, North Africa and western and central Asia. (Chambers Concise 20th. Century Dictionary)

Ledigs
10-17-2009, 03:58 PM
Surprised to see a tennis star in there for America....good to see though. Nadal appeals more to the American style - he seems more down to earth than Federer, and his intensity and excitement out on court really brings in the fans. Nadal is good for the sport, I don't see how anyone can see this as a bad thing, other than the most intense *******s.

plus he doesn't wear fruity outfits and he keeps his girlfriends hidden, which makes the girl-fan base happy. and he's a lot better looking than fed which americans also appreciate.

i think in NY and especially at the US Open, fans were cheering for the underdog (Del Potro, Djokovic etc.) because Federer just wins over and over and he's not even American. People are bored by that. Last year's match against Murray was the most boring US Open final of all time. Nadal challenging Fed gets NY excited. Almost every newspaper article I read about Nadal in NY was positive, and Fed was neutral or like, let's have someone else finally!

NYTimes and New York Magazine absolutely adore Nadal. For some reason the press loves him.

Feņa14
10-17-2009, 04:24 PM
Interesting list, Tiger Woods is the only other one i've heard of!

jackson vile
10-17-2009, 04:27 PM
Mandy doesn't claim any facts, and neither am I. It's impossible to do that, and that is why the whole argument is silly. Mandy's claims were based on what she saw, and as far as I remember she didn't refer to them as facts, unlike 8pNADAL, who clearly said he was stating a fact.

For the record, I think both Fed and Nadal are ultra popular, and I also think it's natural that the #1 player in the world is the most popular player.

No.It was everywhere last year that Federer was drawing the biggest crowds at the USO and was getting maximum crowd-support.

That is a statement if I ever read one LOL

statto
10-17-2009, 04:27 PM
Nadal is Spanish. He comes from Spain which is in Europe.

Definition of Caucasian:- A person belonging to that one of the main ethnological divisions of mankind which is native to Europe, North Africa and western and central Asia. (Chambers Concise 20th. Century Dictionary)

I stand corrected. Should have been low-brow and said white. :)

jackson vile
10-17-2009, 04:30 PM
I agree. After Wimbledon 2008, lots of people know who Nadal is. You can see a bunch of noobs on court with Nadal gear and APDC's who cant even hit a ball over the net.

Not even that, I mean just everyday common people. I think everyone forgets what a big year 2008 was for Nadal.

The ****s are in deniel LOL and want to cover up 2008.

Then came 2009 to top it off, a lot of people were very upset with the way Roger acted at the AO and saw Nadal as a hero.

I am not talking tennis fans, just every day people.

vive le beau jeu !
10-17-2009, 04:34 PM
Interesting list, Tiger Woods is the only other one i've heard of!
same here...

i'm starting to wonder if the 1100 people sampled for this 'scientifically' :rolleyes: surveyed poll even knew all those guys !
E-Poll scientifically surveyed a representative sample of 1,100 people age 13 and over. Candidates were limited to active athletes, coaches or commentators with a minimum 10% awareness rating.

P_Agony
10-17-2009, 04:49 PM
That is a statement if I ever read one LOL

Well like I said, until there's written proof we can't really know who draws more crowd and who's more popular. I can only assume that the player who's ranked #1 is naturally the more popular, but that's hardly a fact like some claim.

MsDeb
10-17-2009, 05:11 PM
are they kidding listing Robin Roberts? she's a freaking host for Good Morning America. Sure, she used to be a basketball player back in the day, but come on. ugh.

pound cat
10-17-2009, 05:19 PM
Anyone who wonders about polls/stats. here's one ot beat all. In the UK they did poll where people ocult could vote for the best celebrity MOM. And guess who won?

Britney Spears!!!!

I don't know whether to cry or to laugh over that one.


Given the right questions Davydenko could be statistically skewed to be the most charismatic player on the ATP, and Safin the most boring.

TheMusicLover
10-17-2009, 05:33 PM
One thing is beyond doubt, both the writers of that article, the ones that constructed that survey, and, most of all, the voters, have *no clue whatsoever* about tennis.

But I guess that doesn't at all matter.

Yep, Britney Spears is the best singer out there, and McDonalds the best food you can get... ;)

pound cat
10-17-2009, 05:36 PM
One thing is beyond doubt, both the writers of that article, the ones that constructed that survey, and, most of all, the voters, have *no clue whatsoever* about tennis.

But I guess that doesn't at all matter.

Yep, Britney Spears is the best singer out there, and McDonalds the best food you can get... ;)


Britney is the best MOM out there, NOT singer. See how polls results get screwed up. That's a classic example.

TheMusicLover
10-17-2009, 05:42 PM
Britney is the best MOM out there, NOT singer. See how polls results get screwed up. That's a classic example.

:-P Well I think we're hinting at the same line of thinking anyways. :)

I always have a beef with this kind of polls - and whenever it concerns a US one, the results usually make me sigh with disbelief and wondering whether they are indeed that superficial/stupid/whatsoever or that they just asked the wrong part of the crowd. I sure hope it's the latter. ;)

BTW, no insult or whatsoever meant towards US folks. After all, Eurosport has Simon Reed. :-P

pound cat
10-17-2009, 06:02 PM
:-P Well I think we're hinting at the same line of thinking anyways. :)

I always have a beef with this kind of polls - and whenever it concerns a US one, the results usually make me sigh with disbelief and wondering whether they are indeed that superficial/stupid/whatsoever or that they just asked the wrong part of the crowd. I sure hope it's the latter. ;)

BTW, no insult or whatsoever meant towards US folks. After all, Eurosport has Simon Reed. :-P

I think it has something to do with the way polls are taken. It seems that most polls are taken oever the phone. Most people would hang up or say no thanks when a poll taker announces his/her self , whereas those who love talking to anyone on the phone would be willing to answer anyone's questons and would respond to names they have heard of.

Hence Spears/best MOM


At thiis point I don't even know what this has to do with Nadal /Americans/polls.


And the bottom line is.....never believe anything you see or hear on the media or anywhere else.

8pNADAL
10-17-2009, 08:30 PM
federer after del potro beat him at the us open:

"Sure I can do that too, I'm pretty relaxed....but no i'd like to congratulate Juan Martin on a brilliant tournament....I had a great one myself but he was the best."

"And I mean of course I'd have loved to win but I've had an unbelievable run here.....I would have never have thought 5 to 6 years ago I was gonna win 40 matches in a row here so its been an amazing run for me."

federer was heavily praised for this on-court interview, it was his shining moment of sportsmanship according to all articles written about the final, its funny though how it still sounds inept and somewhat pompous that he would mention his 40 matches in a row thing :-? when you compare that to nadals style of answering questions it isnt surprising that nadal has become more respected

lawrence
10-17-2009, 09:46 PM
federer after del potro beat him at the us open:



federer was heavily praised for this on-court interview, it was his shining moment of sportsmanship according to all articles written about the final, its funny though how it still sounds inept and somewhat pompous that he would mention his 40 matches in a row thing :-? when you compare that to nadals style of answering questions it isnt surprising that nadal has become more respected

doesnt it just give delpo more credit, for ending such an amazing streak

sh@de
10-17-2009, 09:56 PM
federer after del potro beat him at the us open:



federer was heavily praised for this on-court interview, it was his shining moment of sportsmanship according to all articles written about the final, its funny though how it still sounds inept and somewhat pompous that he would mention his 40 matches in a row thing :-? when you compare that to nadals style of answering questions it isnt surprising that nadal has become more respected

How's that pompous or inappropriate in any way? Seriously, you should stop looking at the world through tinted glasses...

jamesblakefan#1
10-17-2009, 09:56 PM
Interesting list, Tiger Woods is the only other one i've heard of!

You need to read up on the NBA then. :lol: jkjk guess basketball internationally is as big as tennis is here.

Feņa14
10-17-2009, 10:21 PM
You need to read up on the NBA then. :lol: jkjk guess basketball internationally is as big as tennis is here.

Yeah tennis isn't that big here either, it's more popular than basketball though! ;)

feetofclay
10-18-2009, 01:22 AM
I stand corrected. Should have been low-brow and said white. :)

Then stand corrected again. European Spanish people are also classed as white.

Gorecki
10-18-2009, 01:52 AM
youll have to produce the stats to prove that, because i know for a fact nadal sessions had far greater attendance during the 08 us open (by a margin of thousands, despite playing one less match), it was mentioned during coverage that year

youll have to produce the stats to prove that, because i know for a fact Schuetler sessions had far greater attendance during the 08 us open (by a margin of quarks, despite playing one less quantum leap), it was mentioned during coverage that year... :rolleyes:

Gorecki
10-18-2009, 01:57 AM
Are you being sarcastic? America is a nation, not a racial group. There are several black people in the list, and Nadal is Hispanic whereas Federer is Caucasian, so if anything they show their lack of racial bias by picking Nadal.

that is effin mighty stupid... so you think the spanish are a diferent race than any average joe beached white sandal user from essex of coventry...

GasquetGOAT
10-18-2009, 06:46 AM
What do you mean " Nadal is Hispanic whereas Federer is Caucasian"?? Nadal and Federer are both Caucasian. Spanish people are Caucasian as well. Although Nadal Freak once believed (may still do) Nadal is a mix of Indian/Mongolian and Negro Hispanian.

vive le beau jeu !
10-18-2009, 07:26 AM
What do you mean " Nadal is Hispanic whereas Federer is Caucasian"?? Nadal and Federer are both Caucasian. Spanish people are Caucasian as well. Although Nadal Freak once believed (may still do) Nadal is a mix of Indian/Mongolian and Negro Hispanian.
i think some anthropologists recently published an article debating the accuracy of Dr. Nadal_Freak Jr.'s ethnologic theories...

Carsomyr
10-18-2009, 10:52 AM
Since we're busting out convincing empirical evidence such as "I saw stuff on TV", Federer has around 3,100,000 fans on Facebook, whereas Nadal has only 2,000,000.

TheTruth
10-18-2009, 06:39 PM
Since we're busting out convincing empirical evidence such as "I saw stuff on TV", Federer has around 3,100,000 fans on Facebook, whereas Nadal has only 2,000,000.

:confused::confused::confused:

Many fans don't do Facebook, MySpace, tennis website online polls, because they aren't scientific, matter of fact no contest is, there's always a problem with sampling.

TheTruth
10-18-2009, 06:44 PM
Well like I said, until there's written proof we can't really know who draws more crowd and who's more popular. I can only assume that the player who's ranked #1 is naturally the more popular, but that's hardly a fact like some claim.

Hey P_Agony!

Too much evidence says #1 is not the measure of popularity, and then, how would you measure popularity anyway? The USA? The rest of the world? Online polls? Q-ratings? Messageboards?

Disputes:

Sampras=Agassi
Safina=Serena
Jankovic=Sharapova
Ivanovic=Venus

Nah, it would be extremely difficult to measure, imo.

Carsomyr
10-18-2009, 06:53 PM
:confused::confused::confused:

Many fans don't do Facebook, MySpace, tennis website online polls, because they aren't scientific, matter of fact no contest is, there's always a problem with sampling.

http://xspblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bfo-rlmente.jpg

DRII
10-18-2009, 07:23 PM
agassi mcenroe roddick and sampras. thats about it for the general populous.

Uhm..
don't forget the Williams Sisters.

DRII
10-18-2009, 07:36 PM
Then stand corrected again. European Spanish people are also classed as white.

Classed as white...

that makes no sense, what does 'classed' as white mean?

I've had discussions like this before on this message board regarding Nadal and how he is treated differently and is it because of race.

First off there is no doubt that theres definitely a phenotype difference between the Spanish and most other Europeans.

There are many Europeans who do not consider the Spanish to be 'white'. Get some drunk and they will readily admit it.

Race is complicated and really is just a social construct based on physical differences. There is only one 'race' and that is the human race. However, the Spanish certainly have different physical characteristics from other Europeans.

Baikalic
10-18-2009, 07:48 PM
Classed as white...

that makes no sense, what does 'classed' as white mean?

I've had discussions like this before on this message board regarding Nadal and how he is treated differently and is it because of race.

First off there is no doubt that theres definitely a phenotype difference between the Spanish and most other Europeans.

There are many Europeans who do not consider the Spanish to be 'white'. Get some drunk and they will readily admit it.

Race is complicated and really is just a social construct based on physical differences. There is only one 'race' and that is the human race. However, the Spanish certainly have different physical characteristics from other Europeans.

probably means "classified" as white. and yeah the spanish have not been historically considered white but I don't know about nowadays.

paulorenzo
10-18-2009, 10:32 PM
Uhm..
don't forget the Williams Sisters.

i actually rather would.
how chauvinistic of me for only listing players from the atp.
but how could anyone forget about the williams sisters, indeed.