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SerbWhoLovesDelPo
10-18-2009, 07:26 PM
Who else is an all-courter among today's players?

I just put the numbers 2-11 from ATP website in the poll.

(btw Davydenko moved to No.6)

lambielspins
10-18-2009, 07:33 PM
Of those you listed only Tsonga could be considered an all courter. Federer is more of one than everyone on your list other than maybe Tsonga. Murray volleys wonderfully but never comes to net so it is moot.

IvanAndreevich
10-18-2009, 07:34 PM
I voted Djokovic and Tsonga.

Who could be: Murray and Del Potro. Both guys know their way around the net well, but don't use it.

lambielspins
10-18-2009, 07:35 PM
Djokovic an all courter? That is a mystery to me.

flyinghippos101
10-18-2009, 07:38 PM
I voted Djokovic and Tsonga.

Who could be: Murray and Del Potro. Both guys know their way around the net well, but don't use it.

Murray? Whoaaaa...no way man.

boredone3456
10-18-2009, 07:42 PM
Tsonga....Murray and Djokovic could at some point develop into all court players...Roddick on this poll??? Why...all one has to do is watch him at the French to realize that he doesn't belong there.

Edit: I somehow missed Nadals name completely on the list...Fail on my part.

JeMar
10-18-2009, 07:43 PM
Haas, Tsonga, Gasquet, Stepanek, Lopez (although his ground game is pretty weak), Santoro, Fish.

That makes pretty much everyone in the top 100.

I guess I kinda ignored the poll, but eh.

Carsomyr
10-18-2009, 07:44 PM
Tsonga is probably the most "cookie-cut" definition of an all-courter, as he S&V's more than a fair amount, and can definitely hold his own on the baseline. After him I'd say Djokovic, who's got pretty good hands and reflexes, but still seems a bit tentative coming forward and has a drop shot that needs some serious work or to be locked away forever in a vault.

BreakPoint
10-18-2009, 07:47 PM
Tsonga, Gasquet, Stepanek, Lopez (although his ground game is pretty weak), Santoro, Fish.

That makes pretty much everyone in the top 100.

I guess I kinda ignored the poll, but eh.
How about Haas?

JeMar
10-18-2009, 07:48 PM
How about Haas?

Sorry, I must have missed him when I went down the ATP rankings. I added him to my list.

kimbahpnam
10-18-2009, 07:50 PM
according to virtua tennis 3: haas

Agassifan
10-18-2009, 07:55 PM
Murray.......

ChuDat
10-18-2009, 07:56 PM
wheres nalbandian?

Feņa14
10-18-2009, 07:57 PM
I'd say Tsonga out of the ones on the list, Murray has the great hands and touch but as it's been mentioned, he doesn't really use them enough to be classed as an all-courter.

IvanAndreevich
10-18-2009, 07:59 PM
Murray? Whoaaaa...no way man.

1) The guy is clever.
2) He has a good slice.
3) He has good volleys. Have you seen him play doubles?

It's a pity he spends 90% of his on-court time as a pusher 3 meters behind the baseline.

abmk
10-18-2009, 08:02 PM
Haas, Tsonga, Gasquet, Stepanek, Lopez (although his ground game is pretty weak), Santoro, Fish.

That makes pretty much everyone in the top 100.

I guess I kinda ignored the poll, but eh.

good list. Only, I'd add nalbandian to this

abmk
10-18-2009, 08:04 PM
djokovic an all-courter ???? no

murray has great hands, but he seems very reluctant to come to the net , so he doesn't qualify

World Beater
10-18-2009, 08:08 PM
murray is an all court pusher...yes i agree.

SerbWhoLovesDelPo
10-18-2009, 08:26 PM
Is Tsonga gonna get at least 20 votes?

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-18-2009, 08:40 PM
You might think I am an idiot for saying this. But last year when Nadal had his run and won everything. He amazed me at just how well he could play from all parts of the court. In saying that, he is a grinder that prefer's to sit back and dictate play, but when needed, the kid can volley. And volley well..

I am by means a Nadal fan, but I give a guy credit when it is due...

FedSampras1
10-18-2009, 08:44 PM
wow Tsonga is leading by far this poll :shock:

IvanAndreevich
10-18-2009, 08:49 PM
wow Tsonga is leading by far this poll :shock:

Uh.. do you find that surprising?

lawrence
10-18-2009, 08:50 PM
I feel sorry for Roddick, if he wasn't traumatized by Federer at all those Wimbledon matches, he would have turned into a decent all courter.
If you watch his older video's he came in a lot after serve, but he just kept getting passed.

mandy01
10-18-2009, 09:20 PM
wanted to vote for Tsonga..voted Novak by mistake..
Yeah but Tsonga,Haas and Murray ( when he dosent play passive tennis which is rare these days :sad:)

Tempest344
10-18-2009, 10:03 PM
Tommy Haas

Murray could if he wanted
same with Safin

SerbWhoLovesDelPo
10-18-2009, 10:11 PM
wanted to vote for Tsonga..voted Novak by mistake..
Yeah but Tsonga,Haas and Murray ( when he dosent play passive tennis which is rare these days :sad:)

The poll asks:

Who else is an all-courter? (you can make multiple selections)

dropshot winner
10-18-2009, 10:15 PM
Probably Tsonga, but some might call his game "ballbashing with net approaches once in a while".

Murray had the game to play great all-court tennis, but for some reason he decides not to do it.

SerbWhoLovesDelPo
10-18-2009, 10:23 PM
Probably Tsonga, but some might call his game "ballbashing with net approaches once in a while".

Murray had the game to play great all-court tennis, but for some reason he decides not to do it.

Tsonga comes to the net more than anyone else in the Top 10.

Ripster
10-18-2009, 10:27 PM
Out of those guys? Tsonga would be the only one. Murray and Djokovic at times look like all-courters but usually just play the baseline.

dropshot winner
10-18-2009, 10:30 PM
Tsonga comes to the net more than anyone else in the Top 10.
Not in every match, I've seen him stuck at the baseline for whole sets.

SerbWhoLovesDelPo
10-18-2009, 10:33 PM
Here are the net approaches stats for Roddick at Wimby 09:

F vs Federer - 42/69 = 61% (Fed was 38/59=64%)
SF vs Murray - 48/75=64% (Murray 15/20=75%)
QF vs Hewitt - 28/42=67% (Hewitt 29/47=62%)
4R vs Berdych - 22/27=81% (Berdych 23/33=70%)

SerbWhoLovesDelPo
10-18-2009, 10:34 PM
Not in every match, I've seen him stuck at the baseline for whole sets.

You can say that about anyone. Lopez was stuck on the baseline against Nadal at Shanghai.

Cesc Fabregas
10-18-2009, 10:36 PM
Why is nobody mentioning Roddick? He is certainly more all-court than Murray or Djokovic.

dropshot winner
10-18-2009, 10:39 PM
You can say that about anyone. Lopez was stuck on the baseline against Nadal at Shanghai.
True, but I think Tsonga's netgame is a bit overrated since he dismantled Nadal at the 2008 AO.

He's big strengths are still serve and forehand, those win him 90% of the points.

SerbWhoLovesDelPo
10-18-2009, 10:43 PM
True, but I think Tsonga's netgame is a bit overrated since he dismantled Nadal at the 2008 AO.

He's big strengths are still serve and forehand, those win him 90% of the points.

Bolded part is true for most players in Top 10 (Fed, Djoko, Gonzo, Verdasco, DelPo, Roddick).

dropshot winner
10-18-2009, 10:57 PM
Bolded part is true for most players in Top 10 (Fed, Djoko, Gonzo, Verdasco, DelPo, Roddick).
That's what makes it difficult to name an all-courter.

Even Tsonga is not winning a lot of points with his netgame, but he's one of the few that even attempt it and are capable of doing it consistently.

boredone3456
10-18-2009, 11:00 PM
How does Roddick have more votes than Nadal at this point? Nadal is, at least in my opinion...way more of an all courter than Andy is.

SerbWhoLovesDelPo
10-18-2009, 11:14 PM
That's what makes it difficult to name an all-courter.

Even Tsonga is not winning a lot of points with his netgame, but he's one of the few that even attempt it and are capable of doing it consistently.

Yeah, hardly anyone makes a living on the net these days. Certainly not a good living.

On one hand, Tsonga comes to the net more often than others (and not just to put the ball away after he won the baseline rally), and is reasonably successful with it.

On the other hand, if he were really an all-court player, you would expect him to be good on all surfaces (or at least, to be better on grass), which he is not. So, it's tough to say.

IvanAndreevich
10-18-2009, 11:29 PM
How does Roddick have more votes than Nadal at this point? Nadal is, at least in my opinion...way more of an all courter than Andy is.

Roddick comes in a LOT more than Nadal does, that's why. As far as skills at net are concerned, Nadal is probably better.

Polvorin
10-19-2009, 02:09 AM
Murray has great hands, touch, volleys, etc. I'd give him the nod.

crawl4
10-19-2009, 02:18 AM
Tsonga no doubt..you should also add Haas to that

P_Agony
10-19-2009, 02:19 AM
Tsonga, although I can see Murray and Delpo getting there.

BreakPoint
10-19-2009, 02:51 AM
True, but I think Tsonga's netgame is a bit overrated since he dismantled Nadal at the 2008 AO.

He's big strengths are still serve and forehand, those win him 90% of the points.
Yeah, but Tsonga has great touch at the net and can hit some sublime volleys. :)

BreakPoint
10-19-2009, 02:53 AM
How does Roddick have more votes than Nadal at this point? Nadal is, at least in my opinion...way more of an all courter than Andy is.
Um...no. Roddick looks for opportunities to attack the net. Whereas, Nadal only comes in when he's forced to. And Roddick comes into the net WAY more often than Nadal does.

Andres
10-19-2009, 04:24 AM
In my opinion, the "truest" all court player on tour is Ivan Ljubicic

Edit: Or was. I don't know. You know what I mean :)

Gaudio2004
10-19-2009, 04:33 AM
Pure all courter? No one, only Federer. Maybe Ferrero, Haas and Hewitt.

Modern day all courter? Djokovic, Murray, Gasquet, Verdasco, Gonzalez

zagor
10-19-2009, 05:02 AM
Tsonga and Roddick.

Magix
10-19-2009, 05:07 AM
Tsonga and Roddick.
Exactly who I voted for as well.

sdont
10-19-2009, 05:39 AM
On the other hand, if he were really an all-court player, you would expect him to be good on all surfaces (or at least, to be better on grass), which he is not. So, it's tough to say.

The grass season is so short and Tsonga was so prone to injuries that he hasn't yet have many occasions to put some good results on grass. Note that he has played Wimbledon only twice: he reached the 4th round in 2007 on his first ever Wimbledon (that was the first time I ever heard of him btw) while he wasn't even in the top 100.

OTOH, I would say grass is not his best surface because his return basically sucks, so he can be abused by great servers on this surface (as proved by his defeat to Karlovic at W this year).

SerbWhoLovesDelPo
10-19-2009, 01:32 PM
nah, forget about it.

anointedone
10-19-2009, 01:35 PM
It's funny how Federer got over 130 votes on the other thread, while Tsonga can't even make it to 50.

Federer is the most all court player in the top 10 today, and Tsonga is next. So that makes sense. It is funny since neither of those are even true all court. It just isnt the way of the times in the game today.

SerbWhoLovesDelPo
10-19-2009, 01:38 PM
Federer is the most all court player in the top 10 today, and Tsonga is next. So that makes sense. It is funny since neither of those are even true all court. It just isnt the way of the times in the game today.

By today's standards. How many of today's players would be considered all-courters in previous decades?

anointedone
10-19-2009, 01:40 PM
By today's standards. How many of today's players would be considered all-courters in previous decades?

Almost none. As funny as it may sound Stepanek might be the closest of anyone I can play of. He seems to play almost an equal amount at both the net and the baseline though not that great at either.

OJ ROD
10-19-2009, 01:48 PM
good list. Only, I'd add nalbandian to this

I agree. He can play at net. It's just that, like federer, his ground game is so good, he doesn't really have the need to come to net that often. Though I think Federer is better equipped to come to net seeing as he as the better and bigger serve, better slice, and picks up the ball earlier.

Nalbandian is better of the ground, I think.(Sorry had to put that in.)

OJ ROD
10-19-2009, 01:50 PM
wanted to vote for Tsonga..voted Novak by mistake..
Yeah but Tsonga,Haas and Murray ( when he dosent play passive tennis which is rare these days :sad:)

How'ed you pull that off?:neutral:

edmondsm
10-19-2009, 01:51 PM
wheres nalbandian?

I know, he kind of embodies what I figured an all-courter was.

VAMOS NALBANDIAN!!!

All-rounder
10-19-2009, 01:52 PM
Haas, tsonga, davydenko and nalbandian

OJ ROD
10-19-2009, 01:57 PM
Yeah, hardly anyone makes a living on the net these days. Certainly not a good living.

On one hand, Tsonga comes to the net more often than others (and not just to put the ball away after he won the baseline rally), and is reasonably successful with it.

On the other hand, if he were really an all-court player, you would expect him to be good on all surfaces (or at least, to be better on grass), which he is not. So, it's tough to say.

Yeah, but that is also having an understanding of how to play on the surface, and the practice and desire to do it. Not to say that he lacks either, cus I don't know.
Some people may think that because the ball bounce is higher now that playing on grass is just like hard court or something but grass is still grass. Slicker I mean, mostly.

OJ ROD
10-19-2009, 02:01 PM
Pure all courter? No one, only Federer. Maybe Ferrero, Haas and Hewitt.

Modern day all courter? Djokovic, Murray, Gasquet, Verdasco, Gonzalez

Ferrero,...Really?:confused:

I mean,...dont get me wrong, I like him, one of my favorite players, but...
really?:neutral:

Can you show me tube?

Mr.Brightside
10-19-2009, 02:11 PM
Haas, tsonga, davydenko and nalbandian

davydenko has terrible volleys.

he only willingly comes to net after he's basically won the point to put away the volley.

All-rounder
10-19-2009, 02:17 PM
davydenko has terrible volleys.

he only willingly comes to net after he's basically won the point to put away the volley.
So how do you define all courter?

ahile02
10-19-2009, 04:44 PM
Djokovic is for sure an all-courter

OJ ROD
11-06-2009, 01:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KciTzXTlm_A&feature=related
at 3:21.

I know it's just one point but, it makes a strong case for nalbandian being an all-courter. I think his serve is underrated.