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egn
10-22-2009, 06:29 AM
So in reality how do most of you feel Nadal performs at the French Open next year? Is he going to go back to dominating it? Wondering what is the overall consensus. This if of course assuming he is healthy and so is everyone else.

dropshot winner
10-22-2009, 06:36 AM
I think he'll lose to JMDP in a 5-setter, probably before the final.

I have a feeling that Djokovic will win RG 2010 by beating Nadal-slayer Del Potro.

aphex
10-22-2009, 06:36 AM
i'd say he's the favourite-but not overwhelming favourite like 2009

aphex
10-22-2009, 06:39 AM
guess i was wrong---he is actually the overwhelming favourite--
these are the current odds


Rafael Nadal 1.50
Juan Martin del Potro 5.00
Roger Federer 5.00
Novak Djokovic 10.00
Andy Murray 15.00
Fernando Verdasco 26.00
Robin Soderling 34.00
Nikolay Davydenko 34.00
Gael Monfils 51.00
David Nalbandian 67.00
Fernando Gonzalez 67.00
David Ferrer 67.00
Marin Cilic 81.00
Jeremy Chardy 81.00
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 101.00
Richard Gasquet 101.00
Juan Carlos Ferrero 101.00
Stanislas Wawrinka 101.00
Gilles Simon 126.00
Andy Roddick 151.00
Tommy Robredo 151.00
Lleyton Hewitt 201.00
Tommy Haas 201.00
Ivo Karlovic 201.00
Tomas Berdych 201.00
Ernest Gulbis 2

drakulie
10-22-2009, 06:40 AM
whether he is healthy or not has no bearing, since he is always injured anyway.

That said, I don't see him winning it if he doesn't make drastic cuts to his schedule.

P_Agony
10-22-2009, 06:47 AM
I think he'll win, but not in the same dominating fashion like in 2008. He'll lose sets this time around.

dropshot winner
10-22-2009, 07:12 AM
guess i was wrong---he is actually the overwhelming favourite--
these are the current odds


Rafael Nadal 1.50
Juan Martin del Potro 5.00
Roger Federer 5.00
Novak Djokovic 10.00
Andy Murray 15.00
Fernando Verdasco 26.00
Robin Soderling 34.00
Nikolay Davydenko 34.00
Gael Monfils 51.00
David Nalbandian 67.00
Fernando Gonzalez 67.00
David Ferrer 67.00
Marin Cilic 81.00
Jeremy Chardy 81.00
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 101.00
Richard Gasquet 101.00
Juan Carlos Ferrero 101.00
Stanislas Wawrinka 101.00
Gilles Simon 126.00
Andy Roddick 151.00
Tommy Robredo 151.00
Lleyton Hewitt 201.00
Tommy Haas 201.00
Ivo Karlovic 201.00
Tomas Berdych 201.00
Ernest Gulbis 2
I think you forgot to add 3 to 10 zeros for his odds.

OddJack
10-22-2009, 07:26 AM
I say 2010 is the last year Nadal wins the RG.

Cyan
10-22-2009, 08:23 AM
He will win it again.

8pNADAL
10-22-2009, 08:36 AM
he will win it into his 30s

Cup8489
10-22-2009, 08:44 AM
guess i was wrong---he is actually the overwhelming favourite--
these are the current odds


Rafael Nadal 1.50
Juan Martin del Potro 5.00
Roger Federer 5.00
Novak Djokovic 10.00
Andy Murray 15.00
Fernando Verdasco 26.00
Robin Soderling 34.00
Nikolay Davydenko 34.00
Gael Monfils 51.00
David Nalbandian 67.00
Fernando Gonzalez 67.00
David Ferrer 67.00
Marin Cilic 81.00
Jeremy Chardy 81.00
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 101.00
Richard Gasquet 101.00
Juan Carlos Ferrero 101.00
Stanislas Wawrinka 101.00
Gilles Simon 126.00
Andy Roddick 151.00
Tommy Robredo 151.00
Lleyton Hewitt 201.00
Tommy Haas 201.00
Ivo Karlovic 201.00
Tomas Berdych 201.00
Ernest Gulbis 2

i hate bookies..soderling is said to have less chance than both murray and djokovic. i could see why for djokovic, but come on, murray has a better chance than he does? did they NOT watch this year's tournament? murray lost to gonzo in 4 sets in the quarters, and Soderling BEAT Nadal in 4 in the fourth round!

i really don't see nadal winning this year. i expect him to go out to a big hitter in the quarters, possibly Cilic, Del Potro, or maybe soderling again. They've figured him out on the surface now.

of course, if he manages to change his game plan against these guys enough that he starts beating them again, my opinions may change. but right now, his vulnerability on all surfaces to these guys is a glaring one.

Cyan
10-22-2009, 08:48 AM
he will win it into his 30s

You seriously need to stop pretending to be a Nadal fan. You are rafawontheuso2009 and therafa and you are a ******* trolling. Nothing more :rolleyes: :evil:

Cyan
10-22-2009, 08:50 AM
i hate bookies..soderling is said to have less chance than both murray and djokovic. i could see why for djokovic, but come on, murray has a better chance than he does? did they NOT watch this year's tournament? murray lost to gonzo in 4 sets in the quarters, and Soderling BEAT Nadal in 4 in the fourth round!

i really don't see nadal winning this year. i expect him to go out to a big hitter in the quarters, possibly Cilic, Del Potro, or maybe soderling again. They've figured him out on the surface now.

of course, if he manages to change his game plan against these guys enough that he starts beating them again, my opinions may change. but right now, his vulnerability on all surfaces to these guys is a glaring one.

LOL. Keep dreaming. Rafa was injured. How come Soderling didn't beat Rafa at Rome this yr? :rolleyes:

mandy01
10-22-2009, 08:53 AM
whether he is healthy or not has no bearing, since he is always injured anyway.

That said, I don't see him winning it if he doesn't make drastic cuts to his schedule.

To the bolded part-Precisely.

The thing with Nadal so far is that there is always a part of the season during which he kind of struggles.This year the patch came early with Nadal performing well above his usual standards in the first part of the season.
That said he would still be the best bet to win the French Open,thats for sure.

drakulie
10-22-2009, 08:55 AM
Rafa was injured.


seriously, you don't need to keep repeating this,,,,,,By now, everyone knows nadal has been injured since before he was re-incarnated, and suffering from knee injuries obtained in World War 1.

Mick
10-22-2009, 08:58 AM
i hope the final will be federer-nadal again, i don't care who wins :)

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-22-2009, 09:03 AM
I honestly dont think he will win it in 2010, neither will Federer,he might aswell go out early in 2010, i mean job is done,case closed! :) Lots of players have showed lately that they can beat him (not on clay but anyway) so i think they will bring that knowledge into the claycourt-game aswell, i definetely see someone pulling a "Soderling" against Nadal, playing out of their own league, transing as we say in Sweden. I think Soderling did the rest of the ATP-guys a huge favour. And i think guys like Del Potro and Cilic have raised their games even more comes the FO.

The_Question
10-22-2009, 09:05 AM
He will win it again.

he will win it into his 30s

It's funny, 2 posts in a row from 2 different Nadal fans, haha!!

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-22-2009, 09:09 AM
he will win it into his 30s
Ih thats your honest opinion you know a lot less about tennis than i thought you did. A hint...bad knees, injuries, 3-4 hours/match on court, FO=toughest/most physical GS to win...u see?

Cup8489
10-22-2009, 09:14 AM
LOL. Keep dreaming. Rafa was injured. How come Soderling didn't beat Rafa at Rome this yr? :rolleyes:

maybe because he would rather beat him at the French open in a best of 5 set match, where it really counts? seriously, that's a pathetic argument. was nadal injured as well when he lost 2,2, and 2 to del potro? was he injured when he lost to Cilic in Beijing? how about when he lost to Davydenko in Shanghai? was he "injured" those times as well?

you tell me to keep dreaming, yet it seems you're the one living in a fantasy world.

Arailic
10-22-2009, 09:16 AM
Nadal is the King of Clay, but I have the feeling his clay domination came to an end. Soldering defeated him in 2009, and any of the big hitters will defeat him in 2010. I love Nadal's passion for the sport, but he is only human. He is not a machine and let's not forget how much the French actually hate him........... I forsee him going after USO and Wimby in 2010.

Cyan
10-22-2009, 09:16 AM
He was injured since Miami and the knees just kept getting worse and worse and by Madrid the knees were too damaged. Simple as that. The only ones living in fantasy world are the *******s.

drakulie
10-22-2009, 09:22 AM
He was injured since Miami and the knees just kept getting worse and worse and by Madrid the knees were too damaged. Simple as that. The only ones living in fantasy world are the *******s.


Correction, he has been injured since World War I during his first life. In this war, he suffered a bullet wound to one knee, and scrapnel to another. He died a hero years later, but due to his injuies, never able to fulfill his life dream of one day playing professional. He was re-incaranted, and now those old war-wounds are re-surfacing.

matchmaker
10-22-2009, 09:45 AM
If Nadal is healthy no one will stop him at RG.

mandy01
10-22-2009, 09:46 AM
Correction, he has been injured since World War I during his first life. In this war, he suffered a bullet wound to one knee, and scrapnel to another. He died a hero years later, but due to his injuies, never able to fulfill his life dream of one day playing professional. He was re-incaranted, and now those old war-wounds are re-surfacing.
:lol::lol::lol:
Using the ******* logic,Roger had mono everytime he lost to Nadal last year :mrgreen:

drakulie
10-22-2009, 09:51 AM
:lol::lol::lol:
Using the ******* logic,Roger had mono everytime he lost to Nadal last year :mrgreen:


Federer is the guy who shot Nadal in the knees during the first World War. During that war, he became ill, and had to have his tonsils removed. Now that he has been reincarnated, the mono is surfacing.

_maxi
10-22-2009, 09:53 AM
I think he is the candidate to win it.

sureshs
10-22-2009, 09:54 AM
Has Federer got momo again because there are rumors he will skip the rest of the season.

Cesc Fabregas
10-22-2009, 09:55 AM
Has Federer got momo again because there are rumors he will skip the rest of the season.

He's avoiding Nadal, he doesn't want the h2h to become even worst.

rommil
10-22-2009, 09:57 AM
Nadal vows to win RG next year if the French crowd promises to be "nice" to him.

coloskier
10-22-2009, 10:29 AM
He's got as good a chance as any of the top 5 to win it. BUT, he better pray he doesn't run into one of the big boys before the final (JMDP, Soderling, etc) Even on clay, those guys are not a good match up for him. It all comes down to the draw.

jazzyfunkybluesy
10-22-2009, 10:35 AM
He will win it until his eighties.

Agassifan
10-22-2009, 10:42 AM
i'd say he's the favourite-but not overwhelming favourite like 2009

agreed.......................

pete92
10-22-2009, 11:02 AM
rafa only loses when he is injured, no?

TMF
10-22-2009, 11:26 AM
Rafa was suffering from the Soderling symptom. And he’s still in the process of recovering.

statto
10-22-2009, 11:48 AM
He is possibly the best clay court player ever (one or two other candidates spring to mind), so to be so simplistic as to say he will go out to "a big hitter" seems short-sighted at best.

He has to have a very bad day at the office to lose at Roland Garros. I don't think it will happen two years running.

kishnabe
10-22-2009, 12:26 PM
Rafael nadal will reach the final but I would want him to lose yhe final to either Novak, Federer, andy french player or Soderling who makes it there.

Rafael Nadal will lose the french open for a while but come back to winning it. Borg won french twice then lost to Andriano Pannata twice in the french after that. And after that he won 4 french opens. So maybe soderling will beat nadal again and claim his only grand slam. Then nadal begins to dominata again.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-22-2009, 12:30 PM
, so to be so simplistic as to say he will go out to "a big hitter" seems short-sighted at best.

He has to have a very bad day at the office to lose at Roland Garros. I don't think it will happen two years running.
So...what is Robin Soderling?
It happened this year, and it will definetely happen again.

statto
10-22-2009, 01:01 PM
So...what is Robin Soderling?
It happened this year, and it will definetely happen again.

He had a very bad day at the office. There will always be the was he/wasn't he injured debate on here, but there is no question that he played poorly in that match.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-22-2009, 01:03 PM
He had a very bad day at the office. There will always be the was he/wasn't he injured debate on here, but there is no question that he played poorly in that match.
I somewhat agree, but he will continue to have just that, he is a human being, not a machine.
But its hard to play good when you are being pushed around from side to side with no mercy for 4 hours! There wasnt much he could do in all fairness.

JoelDali
10-22-2009, 01:08 PM
Nadal will never win another GS.

Nadal is a good guy nonetheless. But the Eye of the Tiger is gone.

http://www.geocities.com/outlawvern/parishilton.jpg

JoshDragon
10-22-2009, 01:11 PM
He had a very bad day at the office. There will always be the was he/wasn't he injured debate on here, but there is no question that he played poorly in that match.

Soderling played a tremendous match when he beat Nadal at the French, he was also fortunate that the clay was faster this year than in other years, and that Nadal's forehands were dropping short.

JoshDragon
10-22-2009, 01:12 PM
Nadal will never win another GS.

Nadal is a good guy nonetheless. But the Eye of the Tiger is gone.

http://www.geocities.com/outlawvern/parishilton.jpg

Lol. I'm going to bring up this post again next year when he wins RG.:P

TheTruth
10-22-2009, 01:29 PM
^^^

Wonder what'll happen if Fed loses the USO again next year. Wonder how some people will react then.

JoelDali
10-22-2009, 01:33 PM
Fed is excused from future GS losses.

His legacy is immortal and blessed by the Gods.

Rafa was just some guy that won a few big clay tournaments. Hes not GOATable.

I just don't think he will win any more GS.

Hes a good kid nonetheless and I had a ball watching him practice at USO09. Hes an amazing athlete.

http://www.trophyfishingguide.com/resources/_wsb_330x331_Trolling+Picture.jpg

JoshDragon
10-22-2009, 01:47 PM
Fed is excused from future GS losses.

His legacy is immortal and blessed by the Gods.

Rafa was just some guy that won a few big clay tournaments. Hes not GOATable.

I just don't think he will win any more GS.

Hes a good kid nonetheless and I had a ball watching him practice at USO09. Hes an amazing athlete.

http://www.trophyfishingguide.com/resources/_wsb_330x331_Trolling+Picture.jpg

Just like Borg was just some guy who won a few grass and clay tournaments, nothing huge.

JoshDragon
10-22-2009, 01:52 PM
^^^

Wonder what'll happen if Fed loses the USO again next year. Wonder how some people will react then.

Hey man, haven't seen you in a while.:grin: Nice avatar.

JoelDali
10-22-2009, 01:53 PM
Nadal is no Borg. Sorry. No comaprison there chief.

:)

JoshDragon
10-22-2009, 01:57 PM
Nadal is no Borg. Sorry. No comaprison there chief.

:)

Yeah, Nadal really is better, at least he's won a major on every different surface.:twisted:;)

lambielspins
10-22-2009, 02:35 PM
He wont dominate it. He might win it again but Federer, Djokovic, and Del Potro are all very capable of winning next years French too. You will not see anything close to 2008 again. Next year will be a barnburner.

jackson vile
10-22-2009, 02:58 PM
We will see the beast yet once again, easy victories for Nadal!

Talker
10-22-2009, 03:20 PM
It's going to be a great year.

When was the last time someone won a GS without going thru Fed?

Right now Potro seems to have the best chance of beating Nadal at the FO, Nole might have something to say about it though.

I just can't discount Nadal though, he went something like 8 months without showing much form at the end of 2007. His form now has no influence on his RG performance I hope.

TheTruth
10-22-2009, 03:29 PM
Hey man, haven't seen you in a while.:grin: Nice avatar.

Thanks, I love it.

:::The Truth is a woman:):::

TMF
10-22-2009, 03:39 PM
It also depends on the draw. If rafa gets Del Potro and his nemesis Soderling in his half of the draw, then it will be tough for him to reach the final. The French crowd are not goting to root for him, and Toni just made it worse after verbally attacking the fans by calling them “stupid”. I don’t know if the clay will be fast or slow, if it’s the same, Nadal is at the disadvantage against the big hitters. Players aren’t fear of him anymore after sensing his vulnerability, they know what it takes to beat him. So many variables come into play.

The players that can knock Nadal out next year would be:

-Federer
-Soderling
-Nole
-Del Potro

Bud
10-22-2009, 03:43 PM
So in reality how do most of you feel Nadal performs at the French Open next year? Is he going to go back to dominating it? Wondering what is the overall consensus. This if of course assuming he is healthy and so is everyone else.

It depends on whether he gets his head back into the game or not. If he continues playing without passion or a game plan, I see him going out early in many tournaments in 2010.

Agassifan
10-22-2009, 03:55 PM
1. Fed is excused from future GS losses.

2. His legacy is immortal

3. Rafa was just some guy that won a few big clay tournaments.

4. Hes not GOATable.

5. I just don't think he will win any more GS.


Vehemently Agreed on points 1 & 2
Agreed on point 4.
Epic fail on points 3 and 5. You're as bad as the *******s.

JoshDragon
10-22-2009, 04:45 PM
Thanks, I love it.

:::The Truth is a woman:):::

My bad.:):D

BorisBeckerFan
10-22-2009, 04:51 PM
Maybe I'm living in the past but this is how I see it.

AO - Neck and Neck Between Fed and Rafa.
RG - Nadal Clear Favorite.
W - Neck and Neck Between Fed and Rafa.
US - Fed Clear Favorite.

Let's see what happens.

JoshDragon
10-22-2009, 04:55 PM
Maybe I'm living in the past but this is how I see it.

AO - Neck and Neck Between Fed and Rafa.
RG - Nadal Clear Favorite.
W - Neck and Neck Between Fed and Rafa.
US - Fed Clear Favorite.

Let's see what happens.

I agree, that's how I see it as well. Although Del Potro may be more of a favorite at the US Open than Roger next year.

flyinghippos101
10-22-2009, 04:56 PM
I predict Nadal either regaining his title, or losing in the finals. Federer is still a contender sure, but his French Open was won unconvincingly (his small blip against Haas definately called in question his quality of tennis he had during the French) But I see Roger going far, most likely atleast another semi.

JoelDali
10-23-2009, 06:51 AM
Vehemently Agreed on points 1 & 2
Agreed on point 4.
Epic fail on points 3 and 5. You're as bad as the *******s.

3 was a blatant troll, my apologies. Rafa's accomplishments at the FO was a great feat.

5 is my opinion and it makes sense to me.

I don't see Rafa winnning another GS ever.

If Roger wins AO, I see a possible CYGS.

I think this is Roger's biggest goal - the calendar year grand slam.

He really wants this deep down I think. What a way to go out if he does.

8pNADAL
10-23-2009, 09:37 AM
3 was a blatant troll, my apologies. Rafa's accomplishments at the FO was a great feat.

5 is my opinion and it makes sense to me.

I don't see Rafa winnning another GS this year or next year.

If Roger wins AO, I see a possible CYGS.

I think this is Roger's biggest goal - the calendar year grand slam.

He really wants this deep down I think. What a way to go out if he does.

the us open was the final grand slam of this year, welcome to tennis

JoelDali
10-23-2009, 09:41 AM
the us open was the final grand slam of this year, welcome to tennis

My bad.

I'm talking about 2010 only.

Welcome to earth.

Turning Pro
10-23-2009, 10:49 AM
You don’t for sure b/c no one can prove it.

However, you are in no position to make anymore prediction b/c it’s too embarrassing…..



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WRONG!



Seriously, you’re delusional.

why do u keep bringing this up, the last prediction was made in 05 when the only foreseeable players were possible candidates, others in the same thread had similar opinions, like right now would you expect del potro to remain with 1 slam, and losing 5-6 times out of 100 on clay ARE FACTS, *******, you're a delusional nerd

World Beater
10-23-2009, 12:14 PM
He was injured since Miami and the knees just kept getting worse and worse and by Madrid the knees were too damaged. Simple as that. The only ones living in fantasy world are the *******s.

nadalita is a poor athlete who's knees break down. poor boy cant last a few tournaments!

knees of glass!

icedevil0289
10-23-2009, 01:06 PM
Maybe I'm living in the past but this is how I see it.

AO - Neck and Neck Between Fed and Rafa.
RG - Nadal Clear Favorite.
W - Neck and Neck Between Fed and Rafa.
US - Fed Clear Favorite.

Let's see what happens.

pretty much agree. If nadal remains healthy, he should still be considered the favorite for FO.

GraniteHoosier
10-24-2009, 07:12 AM
I think he's a clear favorite to win (better than 50/50) if he skips Barcelona and maybe Monte Carlo too. If he tries to run the table on all the clay court tournaments then I'd put his odds right at 50% or maybe a little below; still the favorite but he could be vulnerable to a handful of players (Federer, DP, Djokovic, maybe even Davydenko or Nalbandian if he's healthy by then). In an odd way, I think Murray could factor in as well since this is the slam where nobody really expects him to win (not as much pressure on him). Kind of like Agassi winning Wimbledon.

jackson vile
10-24-2009, 01:05 PM
Nadal will never win another GS.

Nadal is a good guy nonetheless. But the Eye of the Tiger is gone.

Let's make a bet, I bet that he will indeed win another GS. And if you lose you never post again, if you win.............

Just for fun, if you are too afraid it is ok nothing wrong with that.

fps
10-24-2009, 01:47 PM
my tournament picks for 2010 in order of likely win, with the proviso that I think Federer will win a slam.

AO- Murray, Federer, Nadal, Cilic (there's always one making a run, think it'll be him)
French- Nadal, Del Potro, Federer, Gonzo, Monfils
Wimbledon- Nadal, Federer, Roddick
US Open- Del Potro, Murray, Federer, Djokovic

be fascinating to see whether faster courts were a problem for nadal or if it was just the injury and a bad match/ match-up at last year's french

big bang
10-24-2009, 02:39 PM
99% Rafa takes it, sure he learned not to wear himself down playing as many tournaments before FO next year..

CCNM
10-24-2009, 03:04 PM
He will win it again.
I agree. I just don't know when. Rafa will win at least one grand slam title next year....

jazzyfunkybluesy
10-27-2009, 11:01 AM
Nadal is in a confidence slump and once he wins a few tournaments his top level play will return. I have noticed that he is not hitting with as much clearance over the net as he used to.

rommil
10-27-2009, 11:20 AM
Nadal is in a confidence slump and once he wins a few tournaments his top level play will return. I have noticed that he is not hitting with as much clearance over the net as he used to.

Maybe he will complain too that the nets are higher.

Bjorkman & Johnny Mac
10-27-2009, 11:22 AM
Depends on his health, form, and level. If he comes in overexerting himself again and loading up on the schedule from the AO on. He may get upsetted again by a heavy baseline hitter. I dont see dominance coming from Nadal again sad to say. Hes not getting any younger, and his health is questionable. THis is a guy who cant finish a season healthy.. Hasnt for the last 2 seasons