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wyutani
10-24-2009, 05:56 AM
whats the big deal with natural gut? i've seen many of my mates using em'. its expensive and i dun understand why most people liked to use them.

explain to me pls.:???:

moroni
10-24-2009, 06:25 AM
well.. arm friendly .... incrediple feel (ever hybrieded natt gut with alu power rough?)

wyutani
10-24-2009, 06:29 AM
but it breaks easily...and EXPENSIVE!....

jim e
10-24-2009, 06:41 AM
whats the big deal with natural gut? i've seen many of my mates using em'. its expensive and i dun understand why most people liked to use them.

explain to me pls.:???:

The power, feel , comfort, and control is like no other.Also if you are not a typical stringbreaker like myself,the string lasts a great while, as I hit a relatively flat ball, the string is very playable until it breaks, so for many(certainly not for all), it is very economical as well.Cost is only one variable. Even if not cost effective for the big string breakers, the characteristics of the string make it worth while for some.Everyone has their preferences, not only with string, but tensions as well.

As for the string,
Elongation, natural gut will stretch further allowing the string to absorb more energy.
Elasticity, what stretches must recover and the recovery rate of natural gut is unmatched by any synthetic. Natural gut is a product of nature, not man, and by design it will seek its origional state after its stretched and upon release. Polyester is the exact opposite as it does not recover to its origional state.
Tension maintenance, nat. gut's recovery rate is what sets it apart from all other strings. It will stretch and recover at a phenomenal rate and retain a higher % of the origional strung tension than any other string on the market.Basically its the strings elongation, elasticity, and tension maintenance that makes natural gut special.

Bigtime
10-24-2009, 07:51 AM
As has been stated on this board before, it is simple math on whether gut is "more expensive". Cheaper is not always "less expensive".

For anyone's own cost analysis, figure cost of your own strings/stringing per year.

Example, if you pay $50.00 for a gut string job and it lasts you 6 months, you're looking @ $100.00 per year for string.

If you pay $30.00 for a synth string job and it lasts you only 3 months, you're looking @ $120.00 per year for string. (You would also have way more tension loss with the synth job in between string jobs, whereas the gut plays virtually the same until it breaks)

The biggest variable is how often you break strings. Other variables would be cost of string/stringing.

VGP
10-24-2009, 08:20 AM
wyutani - you've been around this long and you're asking this now?

Fed Kennedy
10-24-2009, 12:38 PM
My serve is so explosive with natural gut comapred to anything

Hominator
10-24-2009, 01:05 PM
well.. arm friendly .... incrediple feel (ever hybrieded natt gut with alu power rough?)

Which do you use for the mains?

wyutani
10-24-2009, 04:45 PM
wyutani - you've been around this long and you're asking this now?

i know, but this is my first time exploring strings. other than strings, that im good at.

my expertise lies mostly of strategy/technique but strings are greek to me. thats why im asking.

Hotrocks
10-24-2009, 06:43 PM
The power, feel , comfort, and control is like no other.Also if you are not a typical stringbreaker like myself,the string lasts a great while, as I hit a relatively flat ball, the string is very playable until it breaks, so for many(certainly not for all), it is very economical as well.Cost is only one variable. Even if not cost effective for the big string breakers, the characteristics of the string make it worth while for some.Everyone has their preferences, not only with string, but tensions as well.

As for the string,
Elongation, natural gut will stretch further allowing the string to absorb more energy.
Elasticity, what stretches must recover and the recovery rate of natural gut is unmatched by any synthetic. Natural gut is a product of nature, not man, and by design it will seek its origional state after its stretched and upon release. Polyester is the exact opposite as it does not recover to its origional state.
Tension maintenance, nat. gut's recovery rate is what sets it apart from all other strings. It will stretch and recover at a phenomenal rate and retain a higher % of the origional strung tension than any other string on the market.Basically its the strings elongation, elasticity, and tension maintenance that makes natural gut special.

Jim e- Your analysis could not be more perfect!!! Gut is the "BEST"! I use it as a cross w/ALU Power, great power, feel & Spin! I have tried a variety of strings nothing compares to GUT! Currently trying Revenge in the mains & Gut in crosses, great combo. I have a few Pure Drives with combinations of gut & poly(BB/Power, Revenge) and a full bed of VS Gut, to try out. Absolutely love the gut(VS)....but the Poly usually goes dead before the gut! Haven't hit with a full bed of gut yet....but I am almost sure it will outlast a Hybird!

Hotrocks
10-24-2009, 06:47 PM
Which do you use for the mains?

Alu BB/Power in the mains & VS Gut in the crosses.....great combo. But everyone has there own feel. Incredible power, spin & feel!!!!

ClubHoUno
10-24-2009, 07:31 PM
Read Jim e's post.

He says it there. This is why Natty gut is expensive and the best performing string for none strings breakers and people, who don't hit with maximum topspin.

I do feel the power of a full bed of VS NATTY GUT is too pwerfull in my Pure Storm Tour GT, therefore I'm buying 3 low powered Pure Storm Limited GT, with low power and dense string pattern, just so that I can play with a full bed of VS Natty gut. VS NAT GUT helped me back in the game again after a loooooong break from tennis because of severe Tennis Elbow.

So I'm thankfull to Nat gut - and needs to celebrate its wonderful qualities in a low powered smallish frame, like the Pure Storm Limited GT frame :D

parasailing
10-25-2009, 10:13 AM
Aside from all the benefits of what others have said, the biggest benefit is that it allows people who suffer from arm, elbow, and shoulder injuries to play tennis.

jmhs
10-26-2009, 03:34 AM
"Natural gut used to be the most resilient string available, but synthetic gut has caught up to the point where testing indicates that advanced players who aren't told which they are using often can't tell the difference."

http://tennis.about.com/od/tennisstringsfaq/f/faqstrings38.htm

fwiw...not taking a position and don't know the specifics of "testing."

Rabbit
10-26-2009, 04:07 AM
^^
I clicked the link and read the comment. I really couldn't disagree more. Natural gut does not break quickly, it has a great life and is playable from day one to day last.

With regard to expense, I think it is actually cheaper. You might as well cut poly out after 10 hours (less if you hit harder) and restring. Poly is about half the price of gut and it has to be restrung 3X as much.

I will concede that some synthetics feel about as good as natural gut on the first hit. But, that feeling doesn't last over the life of the string job.

For some folks, the single biggest reason to use gut is arm health. It is, by far and away, the best thing you can do for an ailing arm.

I also think control and spin potential are as good with gut as poly. There is a little different technique involved, but I find I can hit anything I need to. And, gut is far and away better with regard to touch which makes it friendlier around the net.

jrod
10-26-2009, 04:22 AM
^^^ I agree 100% with Rabbit. Synthetic gut has dramatically improved over the years but still does not compete with natural gut in terms of playability over the life of a stringjob, arm friendlyness, power and spin potential.

jrod
10-26-2009, 04:27 AM
Alu BB/Power in the mains & VS Gut in the crosses.....great combo. But everyone has there own feel. Incredible power, spin & feel!!!!

It is a good combo, but an awfully expensive one. I found myself restringing every 4 hours with Lux crosses and gut mains. As a result, I searched long and hard for a string that played like Lux but lasted much longer. I ended up selecting Weisscannon SilverString after fairly extensive playtesting. It's not quite as crisp as Lux initially, but it retains it's playability at least 4x longer than Lux. Much more economical.

wyutani
10-26-2009, 06:21 AM
Natural gut used to be the most resilient string available, but synthetic gut has caught up to the point where testing indicates that advanced players who aren't told which they are using often can't tell the difference. Natural gut breaks faster and reacts badly to moisture and humidity, but it still has loyal users who can afford the expensive and frequent restringing.

jim e
10-26-2009, 06:32 AM
Natural gut used to be the most resilient string available, but synthetic gut has caught up to the point where testing indicates that advanced players who aren't told which they are using often can't tell the difference. Natural gut breaks faster and reacts badly to moisture and humidity, but it still has loyal users who can afford the expensive and frequent restringing.

That article has no reference to the test. As far as it reacting badly to moisture and humidity, I question that as well, as it holds up fine, especially the newer guts of today compared to the guts of years ago.
I totally disagree with that article.I have used a lot of synthetics, and although some high end multi strings come close, none still matches nat. gut.
Even Richard Parnell at the 2008 stringers symposium stated that nat. gut is set apart from all other strings, and I agree with that over the article posted here.

Bigtime
10-26-2009, 06:50 AM
Even if natural gut breaks sooner than synth gut (BIG IF, in my opinion), who wants to play with a dead stringbed after a very short time even though the string has not broken yet?

kensan
10-26-2009, 12:03 PM
Til now I'm still trying to understand what it is, but I'll try to put into words.

I currently use a natural gut main - poly cross setup and am (trying to anyway) hitting through more than ripping huge topspin shots. Hitting this type of shot with natural gut, there's some kind of a catcher's mitt (some people call it a pocket) that allows me to feel the ball onto my strings and off of it resulting in power and control.

With an all-poly setup, I don't have that same catcher's mitt feel. In fact I have no feel at all on groundies with poly, so I have to compensate by hitting a lot of topspin.

Best I can describe it anyway.

ac3111
10-26-2009, 12:10 PM
i know, but this is my first time exploring strings. other than strings, that im good at.

my expertise lies mostly of strategy/technique but strings are greek to me. thats why im asking.

For me strategy/technique is chinese to me...:)

If you do not want to spend some much on gut, get Babolat Tonic 16g gut...
It is still gut better than multis and cheaper actually. X-1 B-phase has a cost of 21-22 euros and Tonic 25... It is so close that I think it does not worth it buying X-One...

alidisperanza
10-26-2009, 05:27 PM
^^
I clicked the link and read the comment. I really couldn't disagree more. Natural gut does not break quickly, it has a great life and is playable from day one to day last.

With regard to expense, I think it is actually cheaper. You might as well cut poly out after 10 hours (less if you hit harder) and restring. Poly is about half the price of gut and it has to be restrung 3X as much.

I will concede that some synthetics feel about as good as natural gut on the first hit. But, that feeling doesn't last over the life of the string job.

For some folks, the single biggest reason to use gut is arm health. It is, by far and away, the best thing you can do for an ailing arm.

I also think control and spin potential are as good with gut as poly. There is a little different technique involved, but I find I can hit anything I need to. And, gut is far and away better with regard to touch which makes it friendlier around the net.


It really depends how you hit. Many people wear through poly in much less than 10 hours... Imagine what they do with Gut. The rest of your points are very valid though. The new Synths don't play horrible, they're just not the best out there


To the OP, aside from all the obviously helpful posts you can find above (being sincere here, not sarcastic), Gut is only as good as what you do with it. First time ever playing gut I hit with a very solid 14yo and wasn't impressed at all. Then I stepped it up and hit with his dad with the same frame and WOW what a difference. There has to be something on the ball for the "gut" effect to take place. Same as poly. If you simply hit flat or keep the pace level low enough that you're not impacting the string bed, gut's simply an expensive, arm-friendly synthetic. As you step it up though, you'll find some really nice results. It's a unique experience

goosala
10-26-2009, 07:20 PM
If you are not a string breaker than natural gut is not a bad option to try. I break strings about every three outings with a string job so for me syn gut is still the best option and cheapest. Multifilament strings are the next best option like Tecnifibre NRG, X-One Biphase, etc.

Meaghan
10-27-2009, 10:37 AM
For my S&V game gut is the best. It serves better than anything I know. I get great power from most strings on serve but with gut I get power spin and swerve like nothing else.
As for volleying its touch is second to non.

wyutani
10-27-2009, 08:02 PM
so most of you here are playing with natural gut?

u guys must be rich.

JavierLW
10-27-2009, 08:22 PM
Natural gut used to be the most resilient string available, but synthetic gut has caught up to the point where testing indicates that advanced players who aren't told which they are using often can't tell the difference. Natural gut breaks faster and reacts badly to moisture and humidity, but it still has loyal users who can afford the expensive and frequent restringing.

You're crazy. Do you work for the Wilson Corporation by any chance?

There is no comparison between Natural Gut and any Synthetic, that's why Natural Gut is on a resurgence.

Look at the technical data on this website:

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/issues/200809/200809allstrings.html

If you sort by stiffness you can tell that Natural Gut is pretty much all in it's own ballpark as far as stiffness and tension loss.

Most of the Multi's that claim to be "just like gut" are not even close.

There are some rarely used weird strings like Ashway Dynamite or Isospeed Pro Classic, or Head IntelliTour in the middle somewhere that are closer but even those are not in the same area as gut.

And Natural Gut does not necessarily break any faster then a cheap multi. It actually has a lower tension loss rate, and if you dont break strings it usually does not break any sooner as well.

And the Moisture and Humidity problem isnt such a big deal anymore, it has coating on it.

You've never used it so I dont know why you're crying about it, yet another silly person commenting on a product that you've never used.

How old are you? Are you jealous because all your friends are using a better string that you dont want to pay for? If you like the strings that you are using then just do your own thing then and be happy about it.

If you want real knowledge though (and not just an avenue for making some stubborn silly rant) then ask away.

JavierLW
10-27-2009, 08:23 PM
so most of you here are playing with natural gut?

u guys must be rich.

How old are you? You must be in high school or something, you probably have no clue what rich is....

xHBvi3tbOix
10-28-2009, 01:10 AM
As has been stated on this board before, it is simple math on whether gut is "more expensive". Cheaper is not always "less expensive".

For anyone's own cost analysis, figure cost of your own strings/stringing per year.

Example, if you pay $50.00 for a gut string job and it lasts you 6 months, you're looking @ $100.00 per year for string.

If you pay $30.00 for a synth string job and it lasts you only 3 months, you're looking @ $120.00 per year for string. (You would also have way more tension loss with the synth job in between string jobs, whereas the gut plays virtually the same until it breaks)

The biggest variable is how often you break strings. Other variables would be cost of string/stringing.

holy crap! I would never pay $30 to string a syn gut. and why, when natural gut goes for $30 would you pay only $50 for string and a string job when syn gut goes for $30 when it costs only $4 for the string. Where do you string your racquets?

Typically syn gut loses playability or snaps by the end of a week. I have never played w/ natural gut before so I cant judge. But if I was paying to get my racquets restrung at your prices I would be broke.

Rabbit
10-28-2009, 04:30 AM
It really depends how you hit. Many people wear through poly in much less than 10 hours... Imagine what they do with Gut. The rest of your points are very valid though. The new Synths don't play horrible, they're just not the best out there


Yeah, if you read my post, I said "10 hours (less if you hit harder)..."

mawashi
10-28-2009, 06:25 PM
i know, but this is my first time exploring strings. other than strings, that im good at.

my expertise lies mostly of strategy/technique but strings are greek to me. thats why im asking.

What I don't get is how a guy who focuses on strategy/technique can play with 2 sticks, one for serving n another for receiving games?

wyutani, natural gut is an amazing string but is more suited for those who hit through rather than spin.

Poly used to be the bottom of the food chain, few pros would touch the stuff. It's only when baseline bashing became the norm did poly started to dominate as it was pretty much the only thing out there other than kevlar that could take the beating.

You must have only started playing cus gut was the string of choice till bout 5 to 8 yrs ago.

mawashi

Fedace
10-28-2009, 06:28 PM
Natural gut just never lasts 6 month. If you don't break it, it will go dead with the moisture and all......
What is the best cheap gut in the market today ?

mawashi
10-28-2009, 06:45 PM
Natural gut just never lasts 6 month. If you don't break it, it will go dead with the moisture and all......
What is the best cheap gut in the market today ?

Yeah fedace, sure sure :roll:

I live in singapore where the humidity is like 80-90 all year round n still gut when taken care of do last a pretty long time n it NEVER goes dead.

Gut will fray n break but it never goes dead.

My dad's dunlop maxply Lew Hoad (now mine) still has it's gut strings from god know how long ago.

Fed, you've been on the boards like forever n you don't know what's the cheapest gut around?

mawashi

JW10S
10-28-2009, 07:25 PM
whats the big deal with natural gut? i've seen many of my mates using em'. its expensive and i dun understand why most people liked to use them.

explain to me pls.:???:Nothing plays like gut--nothing. Don't let anyone tell you some synthetic or multi plays just like gut--it doesn't. Gut is made from intestines, muscle tissue, therefore it is resilient, holds tension well, and gives you feedback you can't get from any other string. Unfortunately the power racquets of today have made gut less popular as people use the less powerful polys to try an tame that power--but unless you hit like Gonzalez or Soderling you can still benefit from using gut. Besides, due to the better manufacturing processes of today's gut they don't break all that fast--most polys will have gone dead long before you break a gut string.

Fedace
10-28-2009, 07:28 PM
Yeah fedace, sure sure :roll:

I live in singapore where the humidity is like 80-90 all year round n still gut when taken care of do last a pretty long time n it NEVER goes dead.

Gut will fray n break but it never goes dead.

My dad's dunlop maxply Lew Hoad (now mine) still has it's gut strings from god know how long ago.

Fed, you've been on the boards like forever n you don't know what's the cheapest gut around?

mawashi

Yea whatever..... i guess you don't hit the ball as hard as i do. gut does go dead in humid conditions. it turns off white color and loses control

Tofuspeedstar
10-28-2009, 09:53 PM
It's the Rolls Royce of tennis strings.

mawashi
10-28-2009, 11:03 PM
Yea whatever..... i guess you don't hit the ball as hard as i do. gut does go dead in humid conditions. it turns off white color and loses control

U sure what you've got is gut, I've never heard nor experienced gut going dead. Never go the chance to see gut go white cus they usually fray n break before that stage.

Yeah, I don't hit that hard I just go through a string job every 2 weeks, my friends go theirs in less than a week.

It's the Rolls Royce of tennis strings.

But some pp prefer yugos LOL!

mawashi

wyutani
10-29-2009, 01:20 AM
still confuse to why natural gut is expensive. i mean , its made from cow intestines, yes, but cows arent endangered or anything. there are a whole bundle of em....

millions and millions of cows and still the gut is expensive. how many cows do we need b4, it is as cheap as poly strings?

wyutani
10-29-2009, 01:25 AM
What I don't get is how a guy who focuses on strategy/technique can play with 2 sticks, one for serving n another for receiving games?

wyutani, natural gut is an amazing string but is more suited for those who hit through rather than spin.

Poly used to be the bottom of the food chain, few pros would touch the stuff. It's only when baseline bashing became the norm did poly started to dominate as it was pretty much the only thing out there other than kevlar that could take the beating.

You must have only started playing cus gut was the string of choice till bout 5 to 8 yrs ago.

mawashi

you do know both racquets are similar right? those similar, they both have different tension. tigher for receiving, looser strings for serve.

now stop bugging me about using 2 sticks.

mawashi
10-29-2009, 01:55 AM
you do know both racquets are similar right? those similar, they both have different tension. tigher for receiving, looser strings for serve.

now stop bugging me about using 2 sticks.

LOL! Pardon me oh I now see you've changed from the KPS88 to the Dunlop Maxply Mcenroe for serves LOL!

Less than a month ago you were raving bout how good the 88 was.

Ok I'll stop bugging you bout using 2 sticks... I wonder how many sticks you'll use when you're old enough to play doubles LOL!

mawashi

chalkflewup
10-29-2009, 02:29 AM
Crazy but fun question. How many cows does it take to string a stick with gut? I thought I read something like 6. Does anyone know?

jim e
10-29-2009, 03:51 AM
Crazy but fun question. How many cows does it take to string a stick with gut? I thought I read something like 6. Does anyone know?

three cows

jrod
10-29-2009, 04:25 AM
Crazy but fun question. How many cows does it take to string a stick with gut? I thought I read something like 6. Does anyone know?

jim_e is correct with the answer of 3 cows according to this: http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/LC/Naturalgut.html

wyutani
10-29-2009, 05:34 AM
LOL! Pardon me oh I now see you've changed from the KPS88 to the Dunlop Maxply Mcenroe for serves LOL!

Less than a month ago you were raving bout how good the 88 was.

Ok I'll stop bugging you bout using 2 sticks... I wonder how many sticks you'll use when you're old enough to play doubles LOL!

mawashi

wot u blabbering about? i broke my kps88 and i cant afford to buy another one. wot u making fun of poor ppl now?

do you feel big now? dude, ur pathetic. seriously.

JavierLW
10-29-2009, 05:45 AM
still confuse to why natural gut is expensive. i mean , its made from cow intestines, yes, but cows arent endangered or anything. there are a whole bundle of em....

millions and millions of cows and still the gut is expensive. how many cows do we need b4, it is as cheap as poly strings?

Apparently besides not being an economic's major you are not very versed in production techniques.

Someone has to make the string. (can you do it?, since there are millions and millions of cows...?)

It's not some sort of cheap plastic like synthetic material that can be mass produced in a factory, it's a lot more difficult to produce.

However you can get it for dirt cheap if you're willing to deal with a lesser quality gut (like Global Gut or Gaucho Gut which are made in India, rather then in France).

mawashi
10-29-2009, 05:53 AM
wot u blabbering about? i broke my kps88 and i cant afford to buy another one. wot u making fun of poor ppl now?

do you feel big now? dude, ur pathetic. seriously.

I feel fine actually n get real dude I rather be spending my time playing tennis than arguing with the likes of you :roll:

Not too often do I see a poor guy with a KPS88 :lol: to top it off you've replace it with a Dunlop Maxply Mcenroe?

I'm calling your bluff but as far as this threads concerned, nuff said.

mawashi

dozu
10-29-2009, 06:26 AM
whats the big deal with natural gut? i've seen many of my mates using em'. its expensive and i dun understand why most people liked to use them.

explain to me pls.:???:

because you are not good enough to feel the difference yet.

mawashi
10-29-2009, 06:30 AM
Apparently besides not being an economic's major you are not very versed in production techniques.

Someone has to make the string. (can you do it?, since there are millions and millions of cows...?)

It's not some sort of cheap plastic like synthetic material that can be mass produced in a factory, it's a lot more difficult to produce.

However you can get it for dirt cheap if you're willing to deal with a lesser quality gut (like Global Gut or Gaucho Gut which are made in India, rather then in France).

I doubt he's even old enough to study economics. Either that or he didn't study very hard.

mawashi

wyutani
10-29-2009, 06:37 AM
I feel fine actually n get real dude I rather be spending my time playing tennis than arguing with the likes of you :roll:

Not too often do I see a poor guy with a KPS88 :lol: to top it off you've replace it with a Dunlop Maxply Mcenroe?

I'm calling your bluff but as far as this threads concerned, nuff said.

mawashi

damn dude, u are surely bored. u said u rather spend time on tennis rather than arguing here but yet here you are.

ur posts are senseless.

mawashi
10-29-2009, 07:06 AM
damn dude, u are surely bored. u said u rather spend time on tennis rather than arguing here but yet here you are.

ur posts are senseless.

You claim you live in HK, if so then you know what time it is now.

It's pass your bed time isn't it LOL!

Little one you're not even a good liar so let me put it into context for you, nearly five thousand posts yet you have:

1. 2 different sticks one for serving one for receiving.
2. 2 different sticks with different tensions no less.
3. Zero knowledge of strings.
4. Claim that you only buy tennis gear that makes you look good.
5. Claim that you focus on strategy/technique yet you post these gems:

wot is soft hands? how do you get soft hands? is it in the wrist?
is there a way i can practice getting soft hands.

On Transferring to Semi-western Grip
only real men uses western. so i cant blame you for not using it. i bet you have a good reason.

Regarding Ball In The Middle Who's Ball Is It
fight for the ball. see who gets it first.

Need I go on n my posts are senseless LOL?

Did you give your former coach a coronary?

mawashi

Yeah I'm bored as I can't play at this time of night!

JavierLW
10-29-2009, 07:09 AM
damn dude, u are surely bored. u said u rather spend time on tennis rather than arguing here but yet here you are.

ur posts are senseless.

Well it should be a lesson to you. If you come on here coming off like a little kid, then you'll get other little kids arguing with you....

Really, just use whatever strings you want, most grownups dont feel a need to justify what they are using.

They might brag about what they are using though (like we do in these signatures) but the thing about it usually you figure out that nobody "besides you" really cares anyway.

It really has nothing to do with price for me. I used Wilson NXT for years and sometimes I got a good discount on it from a friend, and I played okay.

But when I started using Wilson Gut about 3 years ago there was no turning back, Ive never seen a synthetic string that's even close.

It's just way more accurate and I feel like I can actually hit the ball even harder because I know where it's going, and off of any sort of shot. Im surprised that someone who's a supposed counterpuncher doesnt see any value in that.

But of course Wilson Gut is really expensive now (not that it wasnt before but I was getting a okay deal for it), so Im going with this cheaper stuff.

Ive also used Isospeed Professional Classic, which I feel is better then NXT or X1 or any of those if you want something that is resilient and soft and ironically it's only $10 a pack.

But it lacked the same pop that Im used to, so I had to put gut in the mains.

jnd28
10-29-2009, 01:54 PM
Interesting that a lot of people use gut and poly hybrid jobs. Seems like a pretty expensive option. You do not get the long time playability benefit and hence the cost benefit of gut because you're cutting it out when the poly goes bad after just a few hours of heavy hitting.

Azzurri
10-29-2009, 04:44 PM
"Natural gut used to be the most resilient string available, but synthetic gut has caught up to the point where testing indicates that advanced players who aren't told which they are using often can't tell the difference."

http://tennis.about.com/od/tennisstringsfaq/f/faqstrings38.htm

fwiw...not taking a position and don't know the specifics of "testing."

jimhs, that info is pure bogus. I have used Nat gut for a few years now and its an obviosu difference. I have also used some expensive multi's and they don't compare. in an 18X20 racquet a multi does have decent tension maintenance (compared to cheaper syn gut), but horrid in 16X19. Guts lasts a loooong time in 18X20 (not as goof though in a 16X19).

Azzurri
10-29-2009, 04:53 PM
Natural gut used to be the most resilient string available, but synthetic gut has caught up to the point where testing indicates that advanced players who aren't told which they are using often can't tell the difference. Natural gut breaks faster and reacts badly to moisture and humidity, but it still has loyal users who can afford the expensive and frequent restringing.

its a lie bro, it has to be. there is a marked difference. someone that I know that never, ever played until this year had asked me to help him learn tennis. he ordered a racquet and needed to borrow one of mine until his came. he used my Head Radical TT for a little while and then my ps 85. both strung with syn gut. then asked to hit my Prestige mid plus (he liked the colors..LOL). he hit a few balls and said to me "this is nice racquet to hit...really soft feel (something to that effect)". I told him that its the natural gut strings, explained to him the differences with other strings. I then gave him my other Prestige strung with Gosen (I just got this racquet and had yet to have it re-strung with gut). I had him with it and he insisted it was a different racquet. I had my stringer put in natural gut in his new racquet and he has yet to change it. he plays 2-3 times a week )joined a 2.0 league). what I am getting at this guy never, ever hit a tennis ball and felt a difference. he thought it was the racquet. I told him the Prestige is actually a very stiff racquet and the strings make a huge difference. He was supposed to string his racquet with gamma gut and instead spent $35 on gut. that was 5 months ago.

Azzurri
10-29-2009, 04:54 PM
Even if natural gut breaks sooner than synth gut (BIG IF, in my opinion), who wants to play with a dead stringbed after a very short time even though the string has not broken yet?

I tried Forten Sweet and it was dead in 20 minutes, maybe less. great cross string, but poor on the mains. waste of $10 to have it as a main.

Azzurri
10-29-2009, 04:55 PM
Even if natural gut breaks sooner than synth gut (BIG IF, in my opinion), who wants to play with a dead stringbed after a very short time even though the string has not broken yet?

I tried Forten Sweet and it was dead in 20 minutes, maybe less. great cross string, but poor on the mains. waste of $14 to have it as a main.

Azzurri
10-29-2009, 04:56 PM
so most of you here are playing with natural gut?

u guys must be rich.

believe it or, much cheaper to use gut if you are not a string breaker..much cheaper.

raygo
10-29-2009, 06:29 PM
Interesting that a lot of people use gut and poly hybrid jobs. Seems like a pretty expensive option. You do not get the long time playability benefit and hence the cost benefit of gut because you're cutting it out when the poly goes bad after just a few hours of heavy hitting.

I use gut mains and poly crosses. Even strung at the same tension (65# for me), the poly crosses are lower enough in tension from the get-go that 'going dead' is never an issue. For my playing style, the mains last much longer without crosses that fray, to the point that the gut itself will have already lost a lot of tension by the time it breaks (which is a very long time, since gut holds tension very well). If they were synthetics (read: cheaper), I would probably cut them out well before then.

wyutani
10-29-2009, 06:39 PM
You claim you live in HK, if so then you know what time it is now.

It's pass your bed time isn't it LOL!

Little one you're not even a good liar so let me put it into context for you, nearly five thousand posts yet you have:

1. 2 different sticks one for serving one for receiving.
2. 2 different sticks with different tensions no less.
3. Zero knowledge of strings.
4. Claim that you only buy tennis gear that makes you look good.
5. Claim that you focus on strategy/technique yet you post these gems:



On Transferring to Semi-western Grip


Regarding Ball In The Middle Who's Ball Is It


Need I go on n my posts are senseless LOL?

Did you give your former coach a coronary?

mawashi

Yeah I'm bored as I can't play at this time of night!

no comment. stalker.

JavierLW
10-29-2009, 06:42 PM
no comment. stalker.

but you did comment.....

wyutani
10-29-2009, 06:56 PM
but you did comment.....

lol who cares...

i watched enuf criminal minds and csi not to mess with someone. i mean, talk about obsession. look at those quotes :shock:. i fear for my life. im backing off.

whatever you say mawashi.

JavierLW
10-29-2009, 07:06 PM
lol who cares...

i watched enuf criminal minds and csi not to mess with someone. i mean, talk about obsession. look at those quotes :shock:. i fear for my life. im backing off.

whatever you say mawashi.

ah, but when you grow up, you can just simply not comment. (with actions, not just words)

Saying:

"No Comment. Stalker!" is commenting.

Besides this is a message board. The worst he can do is incite you to bombard us with even more nonsense.

You do realize that those are just TV shows, right? They are not real... (or even necessarily based on anything that's real)

Azzurri
10-29-2009, 07:38 PM
lol who cares...

i watched enuf criminal minds and csi not to mess with someone. i mean, talk about obsession. look at those quotes :shock:. i fear for my life. im backing off.

whatever you say mawashi.

csi is a tv show.

alidisperanza
10-30-2009, 08:24 PM
ah, but when you grow up, you can just simply not comment. (with actions, not just words)

Saying:

"No Comment. Stalker!" is commenting.

Besides this is a message board. The worst he can do is incite you to bombard us with even more nonsense.

You do realize that those are just TV shows, right? They are not real... (or even necessarily based on anything that's real)


That totally merited a chuckle...:)

peli_kan
11-01-2009, 01:45 PM
ah, but when you grow up, you can just simply not comment. (with actions, not just words)

Saying:

"No Comment. Stalker!" is commenting.

Besides this is a message board. The worst he can do is incite you to bombard us with even more nonsense.

You do realize that those are just TV shows, right? They are not real... (or even necessarily based on anything that's real)

Stop bullying Wyutani! He's here to enjoy tennis just like the rest of us!

*reads wyutani's posts*

Never mind, carry on.

Andres
11-04-2009, 09:01 AM
my expertise lies mostly of strategy/technique but strings are greek to me. thats why im asking.
Hahahhahahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol: