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SAFMAN69
10-26-2009, 02:19 AM
is there any difference in the two strings in how they play?

ClubHoUno
10-26-2009, 02:56 PM
is there any difference in the two strings in how they play?

If you ask Tecnifibre, they will answer NO to this, BUT BUT BUT......

In my personal view and I know many other Tennis Talk guys shares my point of view in this regards, the red X1 plays NOTHING LIKE THE ORIGINAL natural colored X1.

The red coating takes all of the really great things away from the X1 string. I bought several packs of the red version because it looked cool, and at first I was stubborn and wouldn't admit it played like cr#*#ap, but now I'm back testing and using the natural colored X1 in 1.24 gauge and love it.

So STAY AWAY FROM THE RED X1 - IT STINKS COMPARED TO THE NATURAL X1 !

It's certainly NOT VS natty gut, but X1 Natural 1.24 plays like what it is - one of the best multis you can get for money.

Fedace
10-26-2009, 03:03 PM
^^I think the balls tend to fly with X-1 sometimes. NRG2 is less powerful but has better control. better ball pocketing..

Wes_Loves_Dunlop
10-26-2009, 03:16 PM
fedace you are wrong. as usual.
x-1 is stiffer and therefore has less power.

Fedace
10-26-2009, 03:22 PM
fedace you are wrong. as usual.
x-1 is stiffer and therefore has less power.

LOL, stiff has nothing to do with power.... Where does it say that X-1 is less powerful than NRG2 ??? prove it. Most people in the forum think X-1 is more powerful...:???:

liftlobby2
10-26-2009, 04:53 PM
If you ask Tecnifibre, they will answer NO to this, BUT BUT BUT......

In my personal view and I know many other Tennis Talk guys shares my point of view in this regards, the red X1 plays NOTHING LIKE THE ORIGINAL natural colored X1.

The red coating takes all of the really great things away from the X1 string. I bought several packs of the red version because it looked cool, and at first I was stubborn and wouldn't admit it played like cr#*#ap, but now I'm back testing and using the natural colored X1 in 1.24 gauge and love it.

So STAY AWAY FROM THE RED X1 - IT STINKS COMPARED TO THE NATURAL X1 !

It's certainly NOT VS natty gut, but X1 Natural 1.24 plays like what it is - one of the best multis you can get for money.

i am on a red x1! i will try the other color on my next string job. there's white too right?

JavierLW
10-26-2009, 04:59 PM
fedace you are wrong. as usual.
x-1 is stiffer and therefore has less power.

He's right about the ball pocketing though.

Fedace
10-26-2009, 05:02 PM
He's right about the ball pocketing though.

what?? you too think NRG2 has more power ?????????

kashgotmoney
10-26-2009, 05:28 PM
NRG2 has more power. I have tested them at the same tension. also not to mention the facts state that x one is a bit stiffer.

Fedace
10-26-2009, 05:39 PM
NRG2 has more power. I have tested them at the same tension. also not to mention the facts state that x one is a bit stiffer.

X-1 is stiffer, that i agree. so what does stiffness have to do with power ? X-1 is stiffer and has more power, i felt like.

kashgotmoney
10-26-2009, 05:45 PM
Fedace, Everyone has their own opinion on strings. For most people, this string has less power than NRG2. It is agreed these two are similiar strings, but in general, nrg2 is known to have more power.

and what stiffness has to do with power is alot. think of kirschbaum super smash spiky, a really stiff poly vs pro supex big ace, which has more power and why? the big ace because it pockets the ball better and is less stiff

Fedace
10-26-2009, 05:48 PM
Fedace, Everyone has their own opinion on strings. For most people, this string has less power than NRG2. It is agreed these two are similiar strings, but in general, nrg2 is known to have more power.

and what stiffness has to do with power is alot. think of kirschbaum super smash spiky, a really stiff poly vs pro supex big ace, which has more power and why? the big ace because it pockets the ball better and is less stiff

LMAO........... Proline 2 has Tons more power than big ace. and big ace is alot softer than the Proline2. does that not blow your theory out of water ? and Another myth. Ball pocketing doesn't give you more power, it gives you more CONTROL..............

kashgotmoney
10-26-2009, 05:53 PM
natural gut is the least stiff of all strings and it pockets the most. and yet it has the most power.

also higher tensions pocket less, and how is it that it gives more control?

Fedace
10-26-2009, 05:56 PM
natural gut is the least stiff of all strings and it pockets the most. and yet it has the most power.

also higher tensions pocket less, and how is it that it gives more control?

Natural gut cannot be figured into the equation. Natural gut has more elasticity than any other known string in the market,, that is why it has so much power. But then according to you, 18 gauge NRG2 would have more power than 17 G NRG2 right ??? since 18 gauge pockets the ball more. IS that what you are saying also ????

kashgotmoney
10-26-2009, 06:04 PM
18 gauge does have more power than 17 gauge.

A higher stiffness means more control, less power, and less comfort. Stiffer strings exhibit higher peak impact tension, higher peak force, less string deflection, and shorter dwell time (time on the strings). This leads to less power because the higher force crushes the ball more and loses energy.

Fedace
10-26-2009, 06:21 PM
18 gauge does have more power than 17 gauge.

A higher stiffness means more control, less power, and less comfort. Stiffer strings exhibit higher peak impact tension, higher peak force, less string deflection, and shorter dwell time (time on the strings). This leads to less power because the higher force crushes the ball more and loses energy.

then why does X-1 perform better at higher tensions and NRG2 at lower tensions ?

Fedace
10-26-2009, 06:29 PM
don't know why ? I just feel like my opponents have more problems if i am serving with X-1 then the NRG2. and i think X-1 is so much lighter than NRG2. it is odd.

kashgotmoney
10-26-2009, 07:08 PM
for X one to perform better at higher tensions is an opinion and not a fact. In order to make such a conclusion, you must be able to back it up with a reliable source. In my case, My reliable source is tenniswarehouse and I can conclude that stiffer strings have less power, more control and less comfort.

What you are saying can be false for all I know, both your statements are opinions and not facts. First off, you said that X-One Biphase has more power than NRG2. That is a opinion that you have failed yet to prove to be a fact. Second of all, you said X-one Biphase plays better at higher tensions. Again, that is a opinion and not a fact because I believe that for my use, it is well at 55.

I rest my case.

(I plan on getting a bachelors in psychology or business then going to law school, so this was good practice.)

Fedace
10-26-2009, 10:56 PM
for X one to perform better at higher tensions is an opinion and not a fact. In order to make such a conclusion, you must be able to back it up with a reliable source. In my case, My reliable source is tenniswarehouse and I can conclude that stiffer strings have less power, more control and less comfort.

What you are saying can be false for all I know, both your statements are opinions and not facts. First off, you said that X-One Biphase has more power than NRG2. That is a opinion that you have failed yet to prove to be a fact. Second of all, you said X-one Biphase plays better at higher tensions. Again, that is a opinion and not a fact because I believe that for my use, it is well at 55.

I rest my case.

(I plan on getting a bachelors in psychology or business then going to law school, so this was good practice.)

then why does 90 % of the people say X-1 has more power than NRG2 ?

SAFMAN69
10-27-2009, 12:29 AM
play nice guys :S

so, coming back to the final question

how is the red x-one different? is it still a good multi? because they only have the red x-one at my club.

tennisplayer132
10-27-2009, 06:35 AM
My local stringer tells me that any grips/strings that are dyed a different color usually perform different then natural/white ones (usually not as good) since the dye alters some things. I'm not sure if this applies to the X-1, but I usually use the natural colors.

JavierLW
10-27-2009, 07:15 AM
My local stringer tells me that any grips/strings that are dyed a different color usually perform different then natural/white ones (usually not as good) since the dye alters some things. I'm not sure if this applies to the X-1, but I usually use the natural colors.

Ive heard that as well.

Although in some objects "white" is a color as well, it's not natural by any means.....

(obviously most "natural" string is "natural" though)

I had good luck with the Red X1. It might be different but Im not sure it's horrible or anything. It seemed to have more of a coating to it that got sheered off after awhile.

tennisplayer132
10-27-2009, 07:23 AM
More dye could mean it has more coating, With my friend's red X-1 it felt like i could almost stick my fingernails into the string and "peel" a thing layer off, of course i really cudn't but thats what it felt like,

JackB1
10-27-2009, 07:34 AM
I am using the red XOne and it seems to play identical to the natural.

tennisplayer132
10-27-2009, 07:44 AM
again this is totally personnel preference and opinions, some might like the natural better, others might think the red plays better my best suggestion would be to string 2 rackets with the same string but diff colors and hit with them

SAFMAN69
10-27-2009, 07:52 AM
again this is totally personnel preference and opinions, some might like the natural better, others might think the red plays better my best suggestion would be to string 2 rackets with the same string but diff colors and hit with them

i only have the red available from my stringer.

DavidGarcia
10-27-2009, 08:08 AM
I am using the red XOne and it seems to play identical to the natural.

NO WAY IMO!

I played with both and while the natural felt like a top multi the red just felt like a cheap synthetic.

If you do search on the forum you will see many guys agreeing with my statement.

Meaghan
10-27-2009, 10:18 AM
Ive played both and IMO the natural is completely different, a much better string, dont know why, maybe it is to do with the coating??

I originally had my Rebel strung with full natural x1 and it was amazing for a short time in every department. When I saw the red on the bay cheaper I bought it to save a few bob and it was like playing a totally different string.

jackson vile
10-27-2009, 11:14 AM
If you ask Tecnifibre, they will answer NO to this, BUT BUT BUT......

In my personal view and I know many other Tennis Talk guys shares my point of view in this regards, the red X1 plays NOTHING LIKE THE ORIGINAL natural colored X1.

The red coating takes all of the really great things away from the X1 string. I bought several packs of the red version because it looked cool, and at first I was stubborn and wouldn't admit it played like cr#*#ap, but now I'm back testing and using the natural colored X1 in 1.24 gauge and love it.

So STAY AWAY FROM THE RED X1 - IT STINKS COMPARED TO THE NATURAL X1 !

It's certainly NOT VS natty gut, but X1 Natural 1.24 plays like what it is - one of the best multis you can get for money.

I agree with this, the red sucks @$$

kashgotmoney
10-27-2009, 02:31 PM
then why does 90 % of the people say X-1 has more power than NRG2 ?

Again this is a opinion and not a fact. Do you have proof that 90% of the people think it has more power?

I am totally alright with you stating your opinion. BUT for you to state your opinion and call it a fact, that is just wrong. What I am saying is that I believe NRG2 has more power.

liftlobby2
10-27-2009, 04:55 PM
Ive heard that as well.
It seemed to have more of a coating to it that got sheered off after awhile.

this is quite true. i've only hit lightly for one hour on my new red x-1 and its already fading, turning white.. another plus point to get the natural color. when everyone is arguing which color is better etc, at least cosmetic-wise, i would say "pink" strings aint cool. :neutral:

Fedace
10-27-2009, 04:55 PM
Again this is a opinion and not a fact. Do you have proof that 90% of the people think it has more power?

I am totally alright with you stating your opinion. BUT for you to state your opinion and call it a fact, that is just wrong. What I am saying is that I believe NRG2 has more power.

I think only way to prove it is if you went out and measure the speed of your serves and groundies with two different strings. NRG2 and X-1.

kashgotmoney
10-27-2009, 05:12 PM
The only way this can be done is if we had a consistent radar gun that read serves consistently. We also would need to have the rackets strung at the same time with the same machine. The machine would have to be accurate. Then we would have to do an average of about 50 serves because statistics show, the more something is recorded, the more accurate the average will be. From then, we would have to look at the data for any influental points or outliers that can make the data inaccurate. From there we can look at the lows and highs and also check to see how many standard deviations most of the points lie from the mean or median. If the data from that matches up pretty evenly, we can then conclude which string is more powerful based on expiremental studys.

Once we do that, we can culminate this argument about which string is more powerful. It is also intuitively obvious to the most casual observer with a quick perusal of talk tennis members that this process is a lengthy process and that it will not change peoples opinion on this string. it will only prove facts that will not change my opinion. I am also showing some clemency here by explaining to you this whole process while instead I could be blasting you like other members about your habit of saying things that are opinions and yet you call them facts which irritate people.

liftlobby2
10-27-2009, 05:15 PM
The only way this can be done is if we had a consistent radar gun that read serves consistently. We also would need to have the rackets strung at the same time with the same machine. The machine would have to be accurate. Then we would have to do an average of about 50 serves because statistics show, the more something is recorded, the more accurate the average will be. From then, we would have to look at the data for any influental points or outliers that can make the data inaccurate. From there we can look at the lows and highs and also check to see how many standard deviations most of the points lie from the mean or median. If the data from that matches up pretty evenly, we can then conclude which string is more powerful based on expiremental studys.

makes sense. anybody doing it?

Fedace
10-27-2009, 05:17 PM
The only way this can be done is if we had a consistent radar gun that read serves consistently. We also would need to have the rackets strung at the same time with the same machine. The machine would have to be accurate. Then we would have to do an average of about 50 serves because statistics show, the more something is recorded, the more accurate the average will be. From then, we would have to look at the data for any influental points or outliers that can make the data inaccurate. From there we can look at the lows and highs and also check to see how many standard deviations most of the points lie from the mean or median. If the data from that matches up pretty evenly, we can then conclude which string is more powerful based on expiremental studys.

Once we do that, we can culminate this argument about which string is more powerful. It is also intuitively obvious to the most casual observer with a quick perusal of talk tennis members that this process is a lengthy process and that it will not change peoples opinion on this string. it will only prove facts that will not change my opinion.

I got an idea. Why don't we just make a Poll with a thread, which string is more powerful ? I think this forum has so many people who has tried both strings that we should have a good enough votes ? what do you think ?:)

liftlobby2
10-27-2009, 05:22 PM
its useless throwing this back to the polls. might as well try it out ourselves and keep our own opinion. anyway, lets not hijack this thread.

kashgotmoney
10-27-2009, 05:22 PM
Fedace, A poll will be better than our opinion BUT a poll will tally up peoples opinions and not facts. Like I said, one of the only accurate ways is to get statistics on the data, match up outliers and influental points, see how many standard deviations the points lie from the mean and median. if it matches up there, we then have a conclusion.

kashgotmoney
10-27-2009, 05:23 PM
And yes, lets not hijack this thread. sorry you guys.

JavierLW
10-27-2009, 05:26 PM
I got an idea. Why don't we just make a Poll with a thread, which string is more powerful ? I think this forum has so many people who has tried both strings that we should have a good enough votes ? what do you think ?:)

Preemptive Poll strike!

A Poll?

Geez, who cares? If you think it's more powerful then good, that's all that matters after all.....

Just count all the responses on this thread (which probably already at least is something anyone who's used X1 is going to look at).

And then all that, someone would still disagree about whether it's more powerful or not.

A rebound test would probably be more accurate then anyone's opinion anyway. Usually when you hit a tennis ball it's not like you know for sure you're swinging at the same speed so you dont always know what the racquet is doing anyway.

For me usually if I have a string that pockets the ball more, I get a more accurate shot, and I feel more like letting go and firing away. (thus I can hit the ball harder)

kashgotmoney
10-27-2009, 05:35 PM
I agree with you. A poll is just a whole bunch of opinions tallied up. In order for the test to be accurate as far as groundstrokes go, you must need several groundstrokes measured with a radar gun. I am talking hundreds.

think of it this way, you flip a coin twenty times, you are probably not going to get 50-50, but the more flips there are, the more closer to 50-50 it is and half and half is the probability.

Fedace
10-27-2009, 06:26 PM
I agree with you. A poll is just a whole bunch of opinions tallied up. In order for the test to be accurate as far as groundstrokes go, you must need several groundstrokes measured with a radar gun. I am talking hundreds.

think of it this way, you flip a coin twenty times, you are probably not going to get 50-50, but the more flips there are, the more closer to 50-50 it is and half and half is the probability.

Ok then what if i called up the Technifibre string experts at the company, what would they say ? would they also say NRG2 is more powerful ?:???:

JavierLW
10-27-2009, 06:35 PM
Ok then what if i called up the Technifibre string experts at the company, what would they say ? would they also say NRG2 is more powerful ?:???:

Depends on which one they would rather you buy?

More expensive probably means more powerful?

Fedace
10-27-2009, 06:49 PM
Depends on which one they would rather you buy?

More expensive probably means more powerful?

Not sure about that. Technical experts for the company will usually give you a honest opinion. they sell both strings very well so i don't think they have reason to lie.

JavierLW
10-27-2009, 08:15 PM
Not sure about that. Technical experts for the company will usually give you a honest opinion. they sell both strings very well so i don't think they have reason to lie.

Maybe.

But then again, who cares?

I think it's about a horse a piece.

X1 is probably just has a crisper feel to it and it makes more of a "thunk!" so that makes people think that it's hitting the ball either faster or softer depending on whatever their imagination tells them....

USERNAME
10-28-2009, 12:03 AM
I gotta go with Fedace on this one, X-1 did feel like it had quite a bit more power then the NRG. As for the OPs Q, the red really does have an odd and nasty (imo) feel. Go with the X-1 Natty!

liftlobby2
10-28-2009, 08:11 AM
Natty wins!

Fedace
10-28-2009, 08:16 AM
Here is the technifibre contact.

http://www.tecnifibre.com/en_US/pages/contact

JackB1
10-28-2009, 08:41 AM
I gotta go with Fedace on this one, X-1 did feel like it had quite a bit more power then the NRG. As for the OPs Q, the red really does have an odd and nasty (imo) feel. Go with the X-1 Natty!

WHat do u mean by "nasty"? Did u compare it with the natural?

Fedace
10-28-2009, 08:44 AM
WHat do u mean by "nasty"? Did u compare it with the natural?

It feels little more dead, the red one. feels more paperly....if you get my meaning..

JackB1
10-28-2009, 12:38 PM
It feels little more dead, the red one. feels more paperly....if you get my meaning..

I have no idea what u mean.

I don't know how the string could be differenct just because its red?
It doesn't make sense???

JackB1
10-28-2009, 12:41 PM
If you ask Tecnifibre, they will answer NO to this, BUT BUT BUT......

In my personal view and I know many other Tennis Talk guys shares my point of view in this regards, the red X1 plays NOTHING LIKE THE ORIGINAL natural colored X1.

The red coating takes all of the really great things away from the X1 string. I bought several packs of the red version because it looked cool, and at first I was stubborn and wouldn't admit it played like cr#*#ap, but now I'm back testing and using the natural colored X1 in 1.24 gauge and love it.

So STAY AWAY FROM THE RED X1 - IT STINKS COMPARED TO THE NATURAL X1 !

It's certainly NOT VS natty gut, but X1 Natural 1.24 plays like what it is - one of the best multis you can get for money.

Is this REALLY true? Is there a NOTICEABLE difference?

USERNAME
10-28-2009, 05:16 PM
I have no idea what u mean.

I don't know how the string could be differenct just because its red?
It doesn't make sense???

Yeah dude I tried both strung at the same tension in 2 of my bats, the red SUCKED! It felt hella harsh compared to the natty. The red dye used does something to the string that kills the feel and stiffens it up, natty just felt much nicer. BTW I use Sonic Pro 17g and I found the same thing with the diff. colors feeling a little different, not nearly as big a difference as X-1 tho.

Fedace
10-28-2009, 06:01 PM
Yeah dude I tried both strung at the same tension in 2 of my bats, the red SUCKED! It felt hella harsh compared to the natty. The red dye used does something to the string that kills the feel and stiffens it up, natty just felt much nicer. BTW I use Sonic Pro 17g and I found the same thing with the diff. colors feeling a little different, not nearly as big a difference as X-1 tho.

What if you liked the Stiff feel in a Multi. then would you prefer the Red one ?

USERNAME
10-28-2009, 06:19 PM
What if you liked the Stiff feel in a Multi. then would you prefer the Red one ?

Nope, like I said it was harsh on the arm ESPECIALLY for a multi. Im a junior nationals player and Im pretty strong but my arm still felt sore after using the red X-1 for around 2 1/2 hours. The red X-1 was even harsher then most polys Iv used, really just nasty...

liftlobby2
10-28-2009, 06:38 PM
Nope, like I said it was harsh on the arm ESPECIALLY for a multi. Im a junior nationals player and Im pretty strong but my arm still felt sore after using the red X-1 for around 2 1/2 hours. The red X-1 was even harsher then most polys Iv used, really just nasty...

Its horrible during the break-in period. Harsh. But i going to give it another few hrs before i comment again. Hopefully, it would settle in by then.

Fedace
10-28-2009, 06:41 PM
We agree that X-1 doesn't pocket the ball as well. at least for me this translate into Less control than than the NRG2

JackB1
10-28-2009, 07:08 PM
Yeah dude I tried both strung at the same tension in 2 of my bats, the red SUCKED! It felt hella harsh compared to the natty. The red dye used does something to the string that kills the feel and stiffens it up, natty just felt much nicer. BTW I use Sonic Pro 17g and I found the same thing with the diff. colors feeling a little different, not nearly as big a difference as X-1 tho.

that really stinks. I just had 2 racquets restrung and bought 2 more sets of the red. I played about 3 hours yesterday and had more pain than I ever had before. I thought it was because I added some lead to my racquet at the top and it was a little more head heavy than usual. My pain was probably due to the strings. I wish there was a way to be sure. They should be plenty "broken in" by now, so should I just keep them now?

I am going to have to switch to another soft string that isn't harsh for the first couple hours. My elbow cant take it.....even for a short time. Should I try Babolat Xcel (Power or Premieme)? Prince Premiere? Gamma Prof'l?

Fedace
10-29-2009, 09:01 PM
So have we finally decided that the NRG2 is more powerful ?