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Golden Retriever
10-27-2009, 06:12 PM
Volleying is just a simple block so it requires very little skill, so the less skillful left hand can do the job fine. What volleying really needs is a wide wing span and using two forehands can expand your wing span a lot. You don't need grip change if you wait for the volley with 2hands in the continental grip position.

I am gonna try that next time I am on court.

Mick
10-27-2009, 06:20 PM
i wonder how monica seles or marion bartoli hits the forehand volley?

Wes_Loves_Dunlop
10-27-2009, 06:34 PM
so how are you going to control your volleys on touch and angle shots?
Also, how are you going to the the end of the racket with both hands?
If it was easier and more effective, im sure we wuoldve seen at least someone in the top 10 doing it

Yenster
10-27-2009, 07:25 PM
A block volley is a probally how a beginner volleys.

callen3615
10-27-2009, 07:38 PM
Or maybe it is.

naylor
10-27-2009, 07:53 PM
Volleying is just a simple block so it requires very little skill...

If so, I wonder why - out of all specialist doubles players, who by the specific nature of doubles have to be expert volleyers - not a single one (now or ever, to my knowledge) has played two forehand volleys...

Still, do let us know how you get on!

Blake0
10-27-2009, 07:59 PM
Ever tried volleying with your nondominant hand..even for just the block shots...i gotta admit i'm not very coordinated with my nondominant hand but it still seems pretty hard to volley back harder hit balls even for other players who have more coordinated nondominant arms then me.

wyutani
10-27-2009, 08:01 PM
try and tell me about it.

Kenny022593
10-27-2009, 08:47 PM
Why do people think that volleys are so easy? The ball is moving faster since it hasnt come in contact with the ground yet and you have to contact the ball just right to get the right amount of pace and depth on it so that you are not screwed on your opponents next shot

wyutani
10-27-2009, 08:49 PM
dun listen to the guy above me. volleying is easy. there is not much action and when you hit it at the net, it will SURELY, go in.

dun listen to myths that volleying is hard cos its not.

halalula1234
10-27-2009, 11:22 PM
dun listen to the guy above me. volleying is easy. there is not much action and when you hit it at the net, it will SURELY, go in.

dun listen to myths that volleying is hard cos its not.

it may not be hard just to block it any where and floating high into the court or what ever but its not easy to do it when the ball is coming fast at you or when you're trying to get a good placement especially if u dont play much at the net. i think i need to practice now cus its hot and cold for some reason.

SFrazeur
10-28-2009, 08:10 AM
Volleying is just a simple block so it requires very little skill, so the less skillful left hand can do the job fine. What volleying really needs is a wide wing span and using two forehands can expand your wing span a lot. You don't need grip change if you wait for the volley with 2hands in the continental grip position.

I am gonna try that next time I am on court.

Holding on with two hand limits the volleyers range of reach, it does not expand it.

-SF

LeeD
10-28-2009, 08:30 AM
As SFrazier said...
And you gotta learn a one handed volley also, for the shots slightly out of reach.
And you don't move sideways as well one handed, so you have to employ the above or move more.
But you get more power, pace, and solid volley, once you learn how.
And lobs over your backhand are easier to handle, if you can reach them.
And you get more out of position, needing to get back into position, when stretched slightly wide.
Try it, as some top doubles men and JimmyConnors did.....

Andres
10-28-2009, 08:31 AM
Holding on with two hand limits the volleyers range of reach, it does not expand it.

-SF
He said using either hand to volley, not a two handed volley :)

SFrazeur
10-28-2009, 08:34 AM
He said using either hand to volley, not a two handed volley :)

After re-reading the title I see that.

EDIT: Also, keep in mind the disclaimer in my signature. . .


-SF

LeeD
10-28-2009, 08:34 AM
If holding on with either hand..... I'd think it limits the reach! Off hand is held high up the handle, shortening reach. Balls hit hard into the body can cause complications....which hand ? ... limiting "reach"..... and you might tend to hit with openstances, limiting putaway potential.

SFrazeur
10-28-2009, 08:40 AM
Using two forehand volleys is not a good idea anyway as it adds unnecessary complexity. A volleyer will still need a one handed backhand for balls coming right at the body, both high and low. The quickest and best way to volley back a ball coming right at you is a backhand volley. By not having a backhand you leave your central body defenseless. The solution would be to develop at lest three volleys: forehand (dominate side), forehand (non-dominate side) and at lest one backhand.

-SF

JRstriker12
10-28-2009, 08:41 AM
Good luck trying to decide which hand to use while the other person if blasting it and you are standing at the net. Not to mention adjusting your footwork to two forehand volleys.

Switching hands may give you a bit of additional reach, but if you really have to reach that far and need to switch hands, then I doubt you would be in a postion to really stick a volley for a putaway. If you are properly postioned and have solid footwork, you should be able to hit a solid volley without switching (see J-Mac, Bryan Bros, Edburg, Sampras, etc......).

A shank or stab volley with the off hand might work in singles occasionally is you oppoent if off-court or off balance - but wouldn't produce the accuracy and pace needed in doubles.

By the same logic, playing with two forehands would be better than having a backhand and a forehand - right??? But it just doesn't work out that way as most players don't have the ability to play as well with thier off hand. Nadal could be considered ambidextrous but he still uses a backhand. ..

SFrazeur
10-28-2009, 08:49 AM
A better way to develop better net coverage is to learn the two-step volleying method. Here's a short description:

After the split step:
1) pivot and or step towards the ball with the nearest foot, pushing off with that leg.
2) make the final classic step with the opposite foot into the ball.

-SF

split-step
10-28-2009, 10:42 AM
It is a bad idea. If you want to be a good volleyer, you need to be able to hit touch volleys as well as punch through them.
If you are only blocking your volley (with your non-dominant hand no less), you will forever be at the mercy of the dipping pass.

In D Zone
10-28-2009, 11:55 AM
whatever works for you!
OR
another thought is to ready on 2h volley position and the releasing the non dominante hand when making ball contact.

I play 1hbh so volley with 1h is normal for me but in doubles when I am at the net playing defense (opponent serving). I would normally use 2h volley to counter the fast volley (poach) to my bh. And it works - I am able to return those hard overhead or volleys back to my opponent (80% successful).

So I don't see a problem.
% tennis works - less error always wins.

Cindysphinx
10-28-2009, 12:06 PM
Volleying isn't hard.

Volleying well is hard.

I'm not a pro or anything, but I think if you learn to 1HBH volley, you will find you have considerable reach and your control will be better. Especially compared to the 2HBH volley you mentioned earlier that you use.

Also, you will not do well in fast-paced volley-to-volley exchanges if you have to pass the racket from hand to hand at the net. And I think you might wind up with considerable grip confusion.

Rather than messing around with two FH volleys, maybe the time would be better spent learning 1HBH volley in the first place?

Ucantplay2much
10-28-2009, 12:07 PM
I posted this somewhere else the other day:

I've successfully hit a few left-hand volleys. The reason I hit them was because the ball was hit behind me as I was moving right and there was no way I could have gotten a right-hand backhand on them. I throw the racquet from the right to the left as I am reaching for the ball. By throwing it (just a few inches), I eliminate the need to change my left-hand or right-hand grip position. They weren't pretty volleys, but getting the ball back is better than missing it completely.

split-step
10-28-2009, 02:01 PM
I posted this somewhere else the other day:

I've successfully hit a few left-hand volleys. The reason I hit them was because the ball was hit behind me as I was moving right and there was no way I could have gotten a right-hand backhand on them. I throw the racquet from the right to the left as I am reaching for the ball. By throwing it (just a few inches), I eliminate the need to change my left-hand or right-hand grip position. They weren't pretty volleys, but getting the ball back is better than missing it completely.

You got creative in a tricky situation. Kudos to you for that.
However does that mean that you should hit every volley to your left side as a left handed forehand volley?

Put another way, just because one time you hit an in-between-the-legs shot, does that mean you hit every forehand that way?

Do what is optimal. Non-dom forehand volley is not optimal.

ubermeyer
10-28-2009, 04:54 PM
volleys require touch, not just blocks. they could be aggressive volleys or drop volleys, what then

Don S
10-28-2009, 05:09 PM
Volleying is just a simple block so it requires very little skill, so the less skillful left hand can do the job fine. What volleying really needs is a wide wing span and using two forehands can expand your wing span a lot. You don't need grip change if you wait for the volley with 2hands in the continental grip position.

I am gonna try that next time I am on court.

This sounds like something that someone who can't volley very well might try. If you find that you need a 10 foot wingspan on both sides of your body when you're up at the net, then you have absolutely no business being there in the first place. Learn how to hit an effective approach shot so you don't have to use some silly gimmick like using 2 forehands to put away the ball.

Don S
10-28-2009, 05:10 PM
Volleying is just a simple block so it requires very little skill, so the less skillful left hand can do the job fine. What volleying really needs is a wide wing span and using two forehands can expand your wing span a lot. You don't need grip change if you wait for the volley with 2hands in the continental grip position.

I am gonna try that next time I am on court.

This sounds like something that someone who can't volley very well might try. If you find that you need a 10 foot wingspan on both sides of your body when you're up at the net, then you have absolutely no business being there in the first place. Learn how to hit an effective approach shot to set up the volley. Then, you don't have to use some silly gimmick like using 2 forehands to put away the ball.

D.Inime
10-29-2009, 03:17 PM
This is completely irrelevant, but i felt like i should share it with you. My new coach, who is the one who made me change to eastern, is much more amazing than i originally thought. He is a doubles specialist and serve-and-volley-player. Also, he won a grand slam A grand slam for 30 and over in doubles, lol.

My face was priceless when I heard he won a slam. Then they said it was doubles. Then 30 and over.

Still not bad imo