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lambielspins
10-28-2009, 10:47 PM
Do you believe Nadal will ever win the U.S Open? I am voting no.

PCXL-Fan
10-28-2009, 10:50 PM
I'm voting yes. Despite the threat of Djokovic, Murray, Delpo, Federer and Cilic and other upcoming players I think he will walk away with a single title.

flying24
10-28-2009, 10:56 PM
I highly doubt it. I dont even see him lasting as a top player more than another 2 and a half years at most, so he only has 2 more years of realistic chances. Federer, Murray, Del Potro, Djokovic, and probably Cilic in the coming years are all better fast court players. So with limited chances left and many people favored over him I doubt very much.

aleexxxxx
10-28-2009, 10:56 PM
I'm not sure honestly. I voted yes but there's alot of players who can threaten him.


For fed. He just needed nadal to lose at Roland garros so he could win. For nadal it's a bit trickier than that. Murray, delpo , cilic, djok and fed of course are all players who can easily take him out at the USO


I think he can snag one in the future with a nice draw and some luck. And of course he would have to play lights out and be healthy

rommil
10-28-2009, 11:00 PM
Rafa might win if:

-the US Open is played in February
-no one over 6'2" is allowed to play.

dwhiteside
10-28-2009, 11:02 PM
who knows?

could anyone predict soderling would defeat rafa at the french open?

don't be so conclusive because upsets happen frequently and nadal winning wouldn't even be a big upset by any stretch of it. not many would predict del potro would win, eh?

8pNADAL
10-28-2009, 11:15 PM
its not an important title but he might as well win it considering he hasnt won it yet

BreakPoint
10-28-2009, 11:17 PM
Rafa might win if:

-the US Open is played in February
- no one over 6'2" is allowed to play.
Or under 5' 10".

(Davydenko ;) )

cuddles26
10-28-2009, 11:18 PM
its not an important title

Did you actually say the U.S Open isnt an important title? LOL!

BreakPoint
10-28-2009, 11:18 PM
its not an important title but he might as well win it considering he hasnt won it yet
It's not? What's more important? Barcelona? :confused:

namelessone
10-28-2009, 11:21 PM
At this point I would have to say no. Look,if he keeps up with this non-HC game on HC,he will have an EXTREMELY HARD TIME winning it. The fact that he has 2 SF here is astounding considering the fact that his spinny groundies don't really go through the court,nor do they rise up like on clay and grass,and he doesn't really have a serve for these kind of courts.And he can't defend as well on HC. I think that if he makes adjustment he can make finals but I really don't know if he can win one.

IvanAndreevich
10-28-2009, 11:29 PM
its not an important title but he might as well win it considering he hasnt won it yet

:lol: It's right down up there with Wimbledon and the other mickey mouse tourneys.

jamesblakefan#1
10-28-2009, 11:31 PM
:lol: It's right down up there with Wimbledon and the other mickey mouse tourneys.

Yeah, we all know Cincinnati is the real slam. Oh wait...:oops:

OTMPut
10-28-2009, 11:48 PM
He is not winning another Slam.

Unless three of his opponents (4R/QF/SF) retire and he does not have to face Federer, Ljubicic, Cilic, Djokovic, Youzhny or Davydenko in the final.

Honestly everyone on the tour now is waiting to payback - keep hitting to his backhand. Without juice no way he is hitting all i/o f/h and covering the court point after point. No way. He is done Ladies and Gentlemen.

Carsomyr
10-28-2009, 11:48 PM
its not an important title but he might as well win it considering he hasnt won it yet

Thanks for this.

namelessone
10-29-2009, 12:07 AM
He is not winning another Slam.

Unless three of his opponents (4R/QF/SF) retire and he does not have to face Federer, Ljubicic, Cilic, Djokovic, Youzhny or Davydenko in the final.

Honestly everyone on the tour now is waiting to payback - keep hitting to his backhand. Without juice no way he is hitting all i/o f/h and covering the court point after point. No way. He is done Ladies and Gentlemen.

:) :) :)

Thanks for this,you made my day. I want some of this juice cause my inside out has really been sucking lately. And can you please get something for my serve and slice? I assume they make juice for that too,right?

Ripster
10-29-2009, 12:24 AM
I don't want to be a negative nancy but I don't think he will. I honestly hope he does because I like the guy. I just don't see it happening with Federer, Djokovic and Murray around plus a slew of lesser ranked players who also have success against him on fast hard courts.

flying24
10-29-2009, 12:26 AM
I don't want to be a negative nancy but I don't think he will. I honestly hope he does because I like the guy. I just don't see it happening with Federer, Djokovic and Murray around plus a slew of lesser ranked players who also have success against him on fast hard courts.

Dont forget Del Potro who has already won a U.S Open and pounded Nadal badly in their last 2 meetings on medium to fast hard courts. Plus Cilic who could easily be atleast a top 5 player in the coming years, and is a nightmare matchup for Nadal on that type of court unless Nadal returns to 2008 vintage (which I doubt).

8pNADAL
10-29-2009, 12:35 AM
i dont mind if he wins the us open or not but i think he should, certainly not as important as rg and wimbledon however

dropshot winner
10-29-2009, 12:40 AM
i dont mind if he wins the us open or not but i think he should, certainly not as important as rg and wimbledon however

The US Open are more important than Roland Garros.

Baikalic
10-29-2009, 12:47 AM
The US Open are more important than Roland Garros.

why is any slam more important than any other slam.

and I hope he will, but it will require luck to accomplish.

dropshot winner
10-29-2009, 01:00 AM
why is any slam more important than any other slam.

and I hope he will, but it will require luck to accomplish.

AO and RG have less prestige than the US Open and Wimbledon. Interestingly the US Open and Wimbledon also have the fewest "fluke" winners, which gives them even more value in a way.

Obviously winning any slam is a great achievement, but it's undeniable that the US Open and especially Wimbledon are even more special.

8pNADAL
10-29-2009, 01:07 AM
The US Open are more important than Roland Garros.

nah us open is just the commercial slam

dropshot winner
10-29-2009, 01:17 AM
nah us open is just the commercial slam
True, the trophy ceremonies are sickening, but that doesn't take away the fact that it's the 2nd most important slam, the most important obviously beeing Wimbledon.

8pNADAL
10-29-2009, 01:21 AM
roland garros feels more historical, plus its the only clay slam whereas the us open is the 2nd hardcourt slam of the year, so rg does feel more prestigious, also looks more old-fashioned and in nadals case he can already say hes won slams on all 3 surfaces (in other words, missing the us open is not as big as sampras missing rg)

namelessone
10-29-2009, 01:26 AM
The US Open are more important than Roland Garros.

According to who? The most important weeks in tennis are those of the "double",RG-WB. Also,these two are the only GS that are still played on natural surfaces and for me at least,this gives them an air of classic tennis. I didn't like AO but the friendly atmosphere in the stands is always a plus and it's really exciting because it basically kicks off the season. The USO I don't mind but it is last in the season and it is way too comercial and showy,even for this age. Look how they blundered the ceremony this year just to give the car sponsor a bit more air time. It's their right to do so but a sponsor shouldn't take the limelight away from sportsmen,no matter what event or sport we are talking about. And let's not forget the god awful Don king "grapple in the apple" bit when they were trying to pit Fed and Nadal against eachother like they were prize fighters. Very cheesy and not tennis-like IMO.

dropshot winner
10-29-2009, 01:28 AM
roland garros feels more historical, plus its the only clay slam whereas the us open is the 2nd hardcourt slam of the year, so rg does feel more prestigious, also looks more old-fashioned

The US Open is actually 10 years older than Roland Garros, not that it would matter anyway as both tournaments were were different in the 19th century.

Just look at the last 12 different winners of the US Open before JMDP:

Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Wilander, Becker, Sampras, Agassi, Rafter, Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Federer

That's some amazing group, none of them reached less than 4 slam finals in his career.

I think that really adds to the value, there's just no true fluke winner at the US Open, for whatever reason.

valiant
10-29-2009, 01:36 AM
I think Nadal can win the US open. He has already made the semi's of the event. If healthy he can get one.

Polvorin
10-29-2009, 01:45 AM
its not an important title but he might as well win it considering he hasnt won it yet

Troll alert level has gone up to red. Be on the lookout.

Dutch-Guy
10-29-2009, 01:52 AM
I voted "Yes" but i'm not sure. As long as he 'd have to go through the likes of Cilic,Murray,Djokovic,Del Potro, i give a slim chance.

sh@de
10-29-2009, 01:59 AM
Looking at the siutation right now, I doubt Nadal will win a USO. But things always change. People were writing Fed off after Wimby 08 and look where he is now. People are writing Nadal off now, but who knows what's gonna happen? It's impossible to guess how much he'll improve in the coming years, and when it comes to winning tourneys, there's always luck involved. If he happens to get a lucky draw or something, who knows, he may pull it off.

wyutani
10-29-2009, 02:26 AM
got a feeling hes gonna win the title next yr with an injured knee.

OTMPut
10-29-2009, 02:29 AM
:) :) :)

Thanks for this,you made my day. I want some of this juice cause my inside out has really been sucking lately. And can you please get something for my serve and slice? I assume they make juice for that too,right?

Given your understanding, juice is of no help mate.

To hit a i/o from backhand corner and run to retrieve a DTL and then do it again and again point after point, you have to be 2007/08 nadal.

serve/slice is something different. juice does not help here. otherwise nadal would have the deadliest serve and the most wicked slice.

i feel bad, but sorry mate, you have to face the truth one day.

namelessone
10-29-2009, 03:02 AM
Given your understanding, juice is of no help mate.

To hit a i/o from backhand corner and run to retrieve a DTL and then do it again and again point after point, you have to be 2007/08 nadal.

serve/slice is something different. juice does not help here. otherwise nadal would have the deadliest serve and the most wicked slice.

i feel bad, but sorry mate, you have to face the truth one day.

But I though the consensus among Nadal-is-doping theorists was that Nadal was at his most doping-est in 2005-2006. Even if I were to believe these allegations,Nadal moved his best in 05-06 not 08'. His best game level was in 08' and that's a different story.

Going by your statements alone,every point Nadal makes involves hitting a i/o on the BH side and then running to retrieve a DTL when nothing can be further than the truth. Nadal does those things when he is put out of position and being outplayed/surprised by his opponent. Nadal didn't win 6 GS and 15 MS just by running around and retrieving. He does that constantly only on HC,where he has little say because he lacks penetrating shots for HC. On grass and clay he tries to dictate points,with varying levels of success,depending on who he is playing.

I know what you are trying to say but you are doing it wrong. "Juice" may help with stamina,but it will not help your movement(I'm not talking about speed but about footwork) and it will certainly not help you hit certain shots. Talent does that for you. Everybody was going on and on about Nadal's stamina level after AO but there have been other cases in history with performances just as impressive or even more impressive than Nadal's semifinal/final run. Surely they didn't have better drugs in the 70's/80's then they do now,right? Oh,and after AO Nadal had ligament problems in Amsterdam. Wonder why that happened,right?

I will face "the truth" when some evidence actually comes out. For about 5 freaking years all I have heard is that Nadal is doping,that certain players know he is doping,that certain officials know he is doping and so on. Nowadays Nadal's knee problems and wimbledon withdrawal have been linked to doping,his "normal" weak results on HC after injury(Nadal sucks in the period after WB) have been linked to lack of doping and the story goes on and on. I even heard that his muscle tear in the abdomen is linked with roid abuse.I keep hearing about Dr.Fuentes list but that isn't released by the spanish government(somehow I think the football players on that list are more important than the supposed cyclist/tennis players involved).

The "evidence" keeps mounting and mounting and oddly enough Nadal is not suspended/banned,at least not officially. Everybody keeps alluding to the WB withdrawal forgetting that Nadal missed AO 06'(presumably while being doped up) and RG 04' with ankle injury(but that was probably because he was just getting started with the roids and wanted to stay low and away from doping officials). WB 08' is the worst one but it's not like Nadal hasn't missed GS's for the first time.

P_Agony
10-29-2009, 03:12 AM
I think he will. It's his worst surface, and there are plenty of players who can give Nadal trouble on those fast hard courts. However, with a good enough draw, alongside Nadal's will and fighting spirit, there is really no title he can't win.

chalkflewup
10-29-2009, 03:12 AM
Dope or No Dope, Nadal will not win another slam. And yes, I hope I'm wrong.

THUNDERVOLLEY
10-29-2009, 03:33 AM
i dont mind if he wins the us open or not but i think he should, certainly not as important as rg and wimbledon however

Thanks for the comedy! :)

Baikalic
10-29-2009, 03:41 AM
AO and RG have less prestige than the US Open and Wimbledon. Interestingly the US Open and Wimbledon also have the fewest "fluke" winners, which gives them even more value in a way.

Obviously winning any slam is a great achievement, but it's undeniable that the US Open and especially Wimbledon are even more special.

Why do they have less prestige? Why does having fewer fluke winners give them more value? It may show that it is harder for a player on a hot run to win, but that does not directly correlate to "value" because value is based on what a fan wants to personally identify with as important or compelling, not fact.

In my opinion most of us assign our own preferences to each slam based on atmosphere, surface, personal identification, and other intangibles. I happen to like each slam equally.

Badger
10-29-2009, 03:41 AM
At the moment, it doesn't look like it. But you never know.

P_Agony
10-29-2009, 03:43 AM
roland garros feels more historical, plus its the only clay slam whereas the us open is the 2nd hardcourt slam of the year, so rg does feel more prestigious, also looks more old-fashioned and in nadals case he can already say hes won slams on all 3 surfaces (in other words, missing the us open is not as big as sampras missing rg)

Yet Sampras had 14 slams. Nadal isn't quite there yet.

navratilovafan
10-29-2009, 03:45 AM
Nadal will never even reach the U.S Open final. I would bet money on it.

cknobman
10-29-2009, 06:13 AM
Nope most likely wont every happen. Likely enough for me to bet quite a bit on. History sometimes can be a good indicator of the future and here history speaks for itself.

Every year by the time USO rolls around Rafa's body is tired/injured/beaten/battered and even though hes had some decent results hes never even come close to winning the USO.

Also you'd think after 4 years of repeating the same pattern hed wise up and figure out he needs to change something..........but alas no every year he repeats the same crap.

So I will say again NO Rafa will never win the USO.

President
10-29-2009, 06:49 AM
People are forgetting he won the Olympics...he can obviously play on the surface.

I agree he isn't one of the clear favorites, but if he gets on a hot streak or something it is definitely within his grasp.

I'm going to vote yes, at some point in his career he will win it.

NamRanger
10-29-2009, 06:51 AM
who knows?

could anyone predict soderling would defeat rafa at the french open?

don't be so conclusive because upsets happen frequently and nadal winning wouldn't even be a big upset by any stretch of it. not many would predict del potro would win, eh?




I did.



Nadal has to go through too many players to win a slam. Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Del Potro, and Cilic are clearly a cut above him. He is not that much better than the rest of the field, and can easily be beaten by Roddick, Blake, Tsonga, hell might even lose to Isner or Karlovic purely because of their serves (he in fact nearly lost to Karlovic at Queens).

TheMusicLover
10-29-2009, 09:15 AM
If there's one BIG mistake one can make concerning Nadal, it's writing him off!
Right now I agree with most folks around here, that it will be very difficult for him as his game still isn't optimally suited for fast HC (and perhaps it never will be) - but history tells you that things far less imaginable have happened.

If he for once manages to be in good form in the second half of the season, + gets a favourable draw, + sees more favourable candidates get upset before having to play him, it could surely happen. So... I vote YES. :)

roland garros feels more historical, plus its the only clay slam whereas the us open is the 2nd hardcourt slam of the year, so rg does feel more prestigious, also looks more old-fashioned and in nadals case he can already say hes won slams on all 3 surfaces (in other words, missing the us open is not as big as sampras missing rg)

Gosh, you really are the biggest clueless clown I ever saw around on tennis forums and that's saying quite a lot. Don't you even realize that winning the USO would give Nadal the CAREER SLAM, something only three players so far have managed to achieve, putting him up with the greatest players of all time beyond any doubt???

And let's not forget the god awful Don king "grapple in the apple" bit when they were trying to pit Fed and Nadal against eachother like they were prize fighters. Very cheesy and not tennis-like IMO.

Can't agree with you more. That was rightout AWFUL, fortunately Fed and Rafa didn't take the bait the way the sponsors would probably have wanted them to. They rather looked a bit clueless during that whole idiotic thing. :)

LiveForever
10-29-2009, 09:21 AM
Nadal will win the US Open. I think its a given. 23 years of age with 3/4 grand slams in the bag. Nadal's best tennis is still ahead of him.

rommil
10-29-2009, 09:25 AM
Nadal will win the US Open. I think its a given. 23 years of age with 3/4 grand slams in the bag. Nadal's best tennis is still ahead of him.

Ehem......... we're talking ATP here(best of 5), not WTA.

edmondsm
10-29-2009, 09:27 AM
nah us open is just the commercial slam

It's one of the oldest tennis tournaments on the tour. Older and more storied then Roland Garros and the Aussie. That is certain.

Nadal can barely walk when the USO roles around, how's he going to win? The only way he could win is if he skipped Wimbledon and took some time off before the US hardcourts................

TMF
10-29-2009, 09:31 AM
I did.



Serious, you must be 1 of 99.9999% of the fans who believed rafa would lose the FO, let alone to Soderling.

rommil
10-29-2009, 09:39 AM
its not an important title but he might as well win it considering he hasnt won it yet

Not important enough to keep coming back every year? This is Nadal "Dios mio ,is so hard to win US Open it's not important tournament. But I no play Wimbledon and play US Open instead because US Open not importante, no. And after that, I play small tournaments in Asia then exhibitions even though mi rodillas are falling off because Tio Toni told me this is path to greatness,no? Wait until I show tennis greats how really it's done".

TMF
10-29-2009, 09:50 AM
its not an important title but he might as well win it considering he hasnt won it yet

So when will it be important? Until rafa finally wins it?:roll:

TheMusicLover
10-29-2009, 09:52 AM
So when will it be important? Until rafa finally wins it?:roll:

;). We have a winner here. LOL.

FedSampras1
10-29-2009, 11:03 AM
Nadal will win the US Open. I think its a given. 23 years of age with 3/4 grand slams in the bag. Nadal's best tennis is still ahead of him.

Funny comment :)


Nadal is DONE!

zagor
10-29-2009, 11:07 AM
He can still do it,he reached 2 USO SF in a row.Draw has to open up a bit for him though probably,he needs to either avoid big hitters with 2 handed BHs(guys like Delpo,Novak,Cilic,maybe even Kolja but he's not that dangerous in a slam)or to find a way to adapt to them and beat them.

NamRanger
10-29-2009, 01:47 PM
Serious, you must be 1 of 99.9999% of the fans who believed rafa would lose the FO, let alone to Soderling.



I made a ton of money this year. Musta been my year.

Baikalic
10-29-2009, 01:52 PM
If there's one BIG mistake one can make concerning Nadal, it's writing him off!
Right now I agree with most folks around here, that it will be very difficult for him as his game still isn't optimally suited for fast HC (and perhaps it never will be) - but history tells you that things far less imaginable have happened.

If he for once manages to be in good form in the second half of the season, + gets a favourable draw, + sees more favourable candidates get upset before having to play him, it could surely happen. So... I vote YES. :)



Gosh, you really are the biggest clueless clown I ever saw around on tennis forums and that's saying quite a lot. Don't you even realize that winning the USO would give Nadal the CAREER SLAM, something only three players so far have managed to achieve, putting him up with the greatest players of all time beyond any doubt???



Can't agree with you more. That was rightout AWFUL, fortunately Fed and Rafa didn't take the bait the way the sponsors would probably have wanted them to. They rather looked a clueless during that whole idiotic thing. :)

Exactly, you can never write off a players' chances of winning. Anything can happen in a single-elimination tournament.

All-rounder
10-29-2009, 01:54 PM
Nadal will never even reach the U.S Open final. I would bet money on it.
You would be in debt in like 5 years time

TheMusicLover
10-29-2009, 02:24 PM
Exactly, you can never write off a players' chances of winning. Anything can happen in a single-elimination tournament.

Thanks mate. Yep, especially not when it concerns Rafa. He's made his way through quite a few 'impossible draws' before - on HC just as much as on any other surface. Just like for Federer, that is the spirit of a true champion. ;)

Blinkism
10-29-2009, 02:35 PM
So when will it be important? Until rafa finally wins it?:roll:

Ignore

Major *******

All-rounder
10-29-2009, 03:00 PM
He can still do it,he reached 2 USO SF in a row.Draw has to open up a bit for him though probably,he needs to either avoid big hitters with 2 handed BHs(guys like Delpo,Novak,Cilic,maybe even Kolja but he's not that dangerous in a slam)or to find a way to adapt to them and beat them.
lool thats a long list to avoid it seems unlikely because of the surface and nadal's style of play. But if Federer can win RG then there is definitely hope for nadal to win us open

P_Agony
10-29-2009, 03:06 PM
lool thats a long list to avoid it seems unlikely because of the surface and nadal's style of play. But if Federer can win RG then there is definitely hope for nadal to win us open

Although don't forget Fed won RG after reaching the final for 3 years. Nadal is yet to reach a USO final. Then again, up until this year Nadal was yet to reach an AO final, so with him anything can happen.

Agassifan
10-29-2009, 03:42 PM
its not an important title but he might as well win it considering he hasnt won it yet

I am sure you also think that the masters cup is not important.

zagor
10-29-2009, 03:59 PM
lool thats a long list to avoid it seems unlikely because of the surface and nadal's style of play. But if Federer can win RG then there is definitely hope for nadal to win us open

I don't think it's that big of a list,all those guys may go out early or maybe Nadal will adapt to them in the future but USO will always be a big challenge for him to overcome no doubt.

President
10-29-2009, 04:03 PM
I don't think it's that big of a list,all those guys may go out early or maybe Nadal will adapt to them in the future but USO will always be a big challenge for him to overcome no doubt.

It will be a big challenge, but nowhere near as big as Federer winning RG would have seemed at the beginning of the year. I think people are judging too much by Nadal's recent "slump" (SF of USO while not playing your best is hardly bad).

Federer is not as invincible at USO as Nadal appeared to be at RG, and he has beaten pretty much every player who can oppose him on fast hard courts some time in the past. It's definitely a possibility for him to win sometime in the next 3 years or so.

Agassifan
10-29-2009, 04:16 PM
. But if Federer can win RG then there is definitely hope for nadal to win us open

I don't deny that Rafa has a chance to win the USO sometime in his career, but you're comparing two different things. Roger has been a virtual certainty to make the final of the french for like 5 years. So he always had a chance to win
by playing exceptional tennis (or having exceptional luck) on ONE day. Rafa looks like he needs much more to fall his way.

cuddles26
10-29-2009, 04:17 PM
He can still do it,he reached 2 USO SF in a row.Draw has to open up a bit for him though probably,he needs to either avoid big hitters with 2 handed BHs(guys like Delpo,Novak,Cilic,maybe even Kolja but he's not that dangerous in a slam)or to find a way to adapt to them and beat them.

Like an earlier poster said he doesnt even have long as a contender for slams. Anyone who thinks he will even be a top 5 player into his late 20s is crazy. So only a few more years of chances at most and several guys clearly ahead of him atleast on the favorites list. So he wont.

maddogz32
10-29-2009, 04:18 PM
nadal still has a chance if he gets the knee problem straighten out

edmondsm
10-29-2009, 04:43 PM
nadal still has a chance if he gets the knee problem straighten out

Kind of a big "if". He's had knee issues for a few years, but the flare-ups have become more common and more severe. He missed the Davis Cup final because of his knees, then limped off the court in Rotterdam with knee pain, and then of course had to skip Wimbledon with knee problems. That's three incidents in less than a year. I would be surprised if he ever enjoyed a healthy season for the rest of his career.