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srinrajesh
10-29-2009, 09:27 AM
I say the French open is the biggest after wimbledon currently because 2 of the 4 are now played on HC and FO is the only one on clay...
Please try and vote objectively so that you do not blindly vote for the slam in your country .. :)
thanks guys

wilkinru
10-29-2009, 09:30 AM
us open is the biggest slam anyway.

Bjorkman & Johnny Mac
10-29-2009, 09:44 AM
Australian Open was never important for many years. French Open or USO is tough to say.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-29-2009, 10:21 AM
To Me- Us Open, then the French, and last the AO
Officially? Probably the same?

Anaconda
10-29-2009, 10:36 AM
US open is as big as wimbledon. The other slams just fail......

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-29-2009, 10:39 AM
US open is as big as wimbledon. The other slams just fail......
You cant say they fail, they all have a great rich history and their own fans.
Are you possibly American ?:)

Anaconda
10-29-2009, 10:50 AM
You cant say they fail, they all have a great rich history and their own fans.
Are you possibly American ?:)

No


10 char

aphex
10-29-2009, 10:56 AM
for europeans, it's definitely RG.

Badger
10-29-2009, 10:58 AM
I'd go with the French. But I'm not sure... That might only be because it's more traditional and it annoys me ho comercialised the U.S. is.

Vyse
10-29-2009, 10:59 AM
US or French Open. Just depends if you like clay or not. For many ppl i Spain and such, they would prolly go with French

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-29-2009, 11:07 AM
for europeans, it's definitely RG.
Wimbledon is above RG in my book :)

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-29-2009, 11:08 AM
US or French Open. Just depends if you like clay or not. For many ppl i Spain and such, they would prolly go with French
Well you cant look at it that way since the Americans probably think that their USO is the biggest. You have to look at history,traditions etc ...

Lionheart392
10-29-2009, 11:09 AM
I'd go with the French. But I'm not sure... That might only be because it's more traditional and it annoys me ho comercialised the U.S. is.

I feel the same.

Mick
10-29-2009, 11:27 AM
the one that pays the most money ???

Cyan
10-29-2009, 01:27 PM
US open is as big as wimbledon. The other slams just fail......

ROTFL..............

zagor
10-29-2009, 03:02 PM
Probably USO is most prestigious after Wimbledon,that would be my guess.

P_Agony
10-29-2009, 03:12 PM
I say USO, but I'm biased because it's also my favorite one.

big bang
10-29-2009, 03:21 PM
FO is the biggest of all..

Feņa14
10-29-2009, 03:25 PM
Wimbledon
French Open
US Open
Australian Open

Although the Australian Open is probably my second favourite to watch, it's a new season and it's exciting. The US Open is my least favourite personally.

BallzofSkill
10-29-2009, 03:40 PM
i think the french open gets a boost from nadal's incredible play the last several years, but the french open isn't as prestigious as the us.open imho.

kOaMaster
10-29-2009, 04:43 PM
I think because of the french taking place just so close before wimbledon it's the french. focus is really on tennis during those months.

KrossKourt
10-29-2009, 05:34 PM
US OPEN. There's no bigger stage for tennis players than the city of New York.

Ripster
10-29-2009, 05:38 PM
For me it's the French.

maddogz32
10-29-2009, 05:53 PM
between USO and FO, i went with USO because i watch more of it

sh@de
10-29-2009, 06:42 PM
USO. 10 chars.

veroniquem
10-29-2009, 07:32 PM
Who says Wimbledon is the biggest?

McBrat
10-29-2009, 08:02 PM
I'd go with USO. It has a richer history. More people who've won multiple slams there have been regarded as the best of their generations and also gone on to win other slams. I think it'd mean a lot to players to have their name up there with theirs as winners.

Also, it's the biggest tournament in the hard court season which takes up most of the event calendar and is gaining popularity internationally. I especially like the contrast with Wimbledon in terms of surfaces (oldest vs. newest), crowds, commercialisation, etc.

French Open is pretty great, too. It's on par in this era because Nadal (and to some extent, Federer) has been so successful there. But it may lose popularity if the next generation doesn't produce a clay court champion who wins other slams as well. IMO, at least...

sh@de
10-29-2009, 08:05 PM
Who says Wimbledon is the biggest?

Everyone except you *******s who insist it's RG because Nadal's won there more than Fed has. Am I right?

veroniquem
10-29-2009, 08:09 PM
Everyone except you *******s who insist it's RG because Nadal's won there more than Fed has. Am I right?


No you're not (but don't let that bother you!) At the moment I believe they enjoy equal coverage and equal prestige. It's true that it hasn't always been the case but right now it is.

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-29-2009, 08:13 PM
Oh yeah, the US Open, where people talk through points, or the sound is drowned out by landing and taking off airplanes..

Sorry. Having a big stadium doesn't make you the biggest or the best...

namelessone
10-29-2009, 10:27 PM
AO shouldn't even be counted though I love the atmosphere there in the modern era,so only USO and RG are in the mix. The USO is older than RG but not by much but there is no definitive answer here. It depends on where you live,honestly. A lot of Europeans,being brought up on clay,will definitely point to the RG as being second best,some even putting it in first place. And let's face it,the RG-WB period is the best time in tennis IMO,because it's in the middle of the season and everyone is usually at their best there.

Now if you are American USO will definitely be the second best for you and RG/AO don't matter much,especially RG considering that Americans don't have a fondness for clay and their relationship with the French isn't what you would call amiable. As I heard one American say,boasting that USO was the best,"RG is just another dirt court in Paris".

For me RG is the second best without a doubt and while I like the USO,it's blatant commercialism(even in this age where all slams do this because of the sponsors) makes me like it less. Which is funny considering that USO is the second oldest slam,but it doesn't feel like it at all. I think that they should do more to capture the old USO feeling there. The AO has a friendly atmosphere,RG and WB are steeped in tradition(you can feel it in the air) and the USO is like the party/commercial slam.

dropshot winner
10-29-2009, 11:40 PM
Wimbledon and US Open are clearly above the rest, this poll only proves that many here have no idea of the historic significance of the slams.

namelessone
10-30-2009, 12:11 AM
Wimbledon and US Open are clearly above the rest, this poll only proves that many here have no idea of the historic significance of the slams.

Wimbledon got started in the late 1870's,USO in 1881,RG in 1891 and AO in 1905. All of them are old and while I value tradition,somehow I don't think that age is really a indicator. Personally I have WB first place,RG and USO second with a slight edge to RG because I really like clay,and AO last. And mind you AO could have had a greater tradition if Australia wasn't so far away and if the event wasn't held traditionally towards the end of the year.

Coincidence or not,the RG and USO are almost equal in preference on this board,which is how they are usually perceived,RG by Europeans,USO by Americans.

dropshot winner
10-30-2009, 12:18 AM
Wimbledon got started in the late 1870's,USO in 1881,RG in 1891 and AO in 1905. All of them are old and while I value tradition,somehow I don't think that age is really a indicator. Personally I have WB first place,RG and USO second with a slight edge to RG because I really like clay,and AO last. And mind you AO could have had a greater tradition if Australia wasn't so far away and if the event wasn't held traditionally towards the end of the year.

Coincidence or not,the RG and USO are almost equal in preference on this board,which is how they are usually perceived,RG by Europeans,USO by Americans.
It's not about (the lack of) tradition, for years Roland Garros was the slam were some clay courters were winning who did not not much for the rest of the year, most of the elite players lost early and the rest outgrinded themselves.

Borg and other greats couldn't change that. Nadal and Federer have given a lot of prestige to Roland Garros, but winning a RG title is still not the same as winning Wimbledon or the US Open.

sh@de
10-30-2009, 12:23 AM
No you're not (but don't let that bother you!) At the moment I believe they enjoy equal coverage and equal prestige. It's true that it hasn't always been the case but right now it is.

Doesn't bother me :p. I think Wimby is bigger than RG by quite a bit at where I am though, so maybe it's just got to do with the fact that we live in different places ;)

kOaMaster
10-30-2009, 12:50 AM
Borg and other greats couldn't change that. Nadal and Federer have given a lot of prestige to Roland Garros, but winning a RG title is still not the same as winning Wimbledon or the US Open.

how do you know? already won one?

the thing is - the FO has this something "special", the crowd, the ridiculuos prices, this "lobby" and the fact that tennis at roland garros is obivously pretty different from the other three.
(while wimbledon turned more and more to look like the uso)
one might say it is enough to count as 2nd biggest, others still say no. doesn't really matter anyway, I think each player has his own preferences. the poll would probably end the same if you ask the top100 players ;)

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-30-2009, 01:02 AM
AO shouldn't even be counted though I love the atmosphere there in the modern era,so only USO and RG are in the mix. The USO is older than RG but not by much but there is no definitive answer here. It depends on where you live,honestly. A lot of Europeans,being brought up on clay,will definitely point to the RG as being second best,some even putting it in first place. And let's face it,the RG-WB period is the best time in tennis IMO,because it's in the middle of the season and everyone is usually at their best there.

Now if you are American USO will definitely be the second best for you and RG/AO don't matter much,especially RG considering that Americans don't have a fondness for clay and their relationship with the French isn't what you would call amiable. As I heard one American say,boasting that USO was the best,"RG is just another dirt court in Paris".

For me RG is the second best without a doubt and while I like the USO,it's blatant commercialism(even in this age where all slams do this because of the sponsors) makes me like it less. Which is funny considering that USO is the second oldest slam,but it doesn't feel like it at all. I think that they should do more to capture the old USO feeling there. The AO has a friendly atmosphere,RG and WB are steeped in tradition(you can feel it in the air) and the USO is like the party/commercial slam.

Eh, why shouldn't it?

I think the US Open is crap, but I don't begrudge anyone else for liking it, or say that it shouldn't be considered...

To say that only the US Open, Wimbledon, and the French are the only ones that have tradition is also a stupid comment.. Why?

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-30-2009, 01:08 AM
It's not about (the lack of) tradition, for years Roland Garros was the slam were some clay courters were winning who did not not much for the rest of the year, most of the elite players lost early and the rest outgrinded themselves.

Borg and other greats couldn't change that. Nadal and Federer have given a lot of prestige to Roland Garros, but winning a RG title is still not the same as winning Wimbledon or the US Open.

Oh yeah. The US Open is so prestigious, that the 2009 Winner wasn't even allowed to make a proper acceptance speech because some old guy thought that going back to regular scheduled programming was more important..

Yeah, real classy..

helloworld
10-30-2009, 01:24 AM
If you ask the players, most of them will say US Open. I have no clue why newbies here think Roland Garros is bigger than US Open... :confused::confused::confused:

dropshot winner
10-30-2009, 01:25 AM
Oh yeah. The US Open is so prestigious, that the 2009 Winner wasn't even allowed to make a proper acceptance speech because some old guy thought that going back to regular scheduled programming was more important..

Yeah, real classy..
Unlike the French Open where the crowd doesn't appreciate a humbe 4-time champion...

Seriously, those things have nothing to do with the prestige of the event.

dropshot winner
10-30-2009, 01:29 AM
how do you know? already won one?

the thing is - the FO has this something "special", the crowd, the ridiculuos prices, this "lobby" and the fact that tennis at roland garros is obivously pretty different from the other three.
(while wimbledon turned more and more to look like the uso)
one might say it is enough to count as 2nd biggest, others still say no. doesn't really matter anyway, I think each player has his own preferences. the poll would probably end the same if you ask the top100 players ;)

No it wouldn't, the players know such things much better than casual fans that vote for their favorite player in every favorable poll.

Some clay courters or frenchies might like Roland Garros as an event better, but they have no illusions when it comes to the prestige. The US Open just has more of it, that's how it's been for decades.

namelessone
10-30-2009, 01:33 AM
Eh, why shouldn't it?

I think the US Open is crap, but I don't begrudge anyone else for liking it, or say that it shouldn't be considered...

To say that only the US Open, Wimbledon, and the French are the only ones that have tradition is also a stupid comment.. Why?

Hey I said that I loved the atmosphere in AO,I have absolutely nothing against it. I don't think it has "less tradition" age-wise but it is a fact that it was shunned many times by the important players of the day because it was very far away and at times appeared towards the end of the calendar and many important players prefered to extend their holiday then go play there.
It's pretty hard to build up a reputation when most of the top players of the day don't come to your tournament.

Obviously this has changed today.

DRII
10-30-2009, 08:02 AM
Well you cant look at it that way since the Americans probably think that their USO is the biggest. You have to look at history,traditions etc ...

History?

The only slam older than the US Open is Wimbledon. Lets not use this thread to bash America! Thanks

To even assume that Wimbledon is necessarily 'bigger' or more important than the USO is in itself presumptuous!

And if you want to get personal: The slam that the most players have shunned in recent history is Wimbledon or perhaps the French Open. Clay courters like Kuerten skipping grass all together or perhaps some serve and volley specialist not going to the French.

No one would skip the USO, unless injured!

srinrajesh
10-30-2009, 10:32 AM
I too agree that the US open was generally considered the second most important but the situation may be changing now because the FO seems to be the last slam remaining to be won for most players --Sampras, Becker, Edberg, McEnroe, Federer (before 2009)

Also because of its unique surface now like wimbledon, it may have gained more stature...

The other reason is of course the emergence of Rafa who completed the FO, Wimbledon double after 28 years..

Baikalic
10-30-2009, 10:38 AM
It doesn't matter to me which one is biggest. Just like the imaginary status of "GOAT," the title of "biggest/most important" slam is vaporous, and determines very little for me in terms of interest as a spectator; I simply like to watch good tennis, and I like to see how players deal with the different challenges that different surfaces and atmospheres bring to the match.

GasquetGOAT
10-30-2009, 10:39 AM
The common consent has always been, in order of importance:

Wimbledon
US Open
French Open
Australian Open

and Cincinnati AKA the 5th slam!

TheMagicianOfPrecision
10-30-2009, 10:43 AM
History?

The only slam older than the US Open is Wimbledon. Lets not use this thread to bash America! Thanks

To even assume that Wimbledon is necessarily 'bigger' or more important than the USO is in itself presumptuous!

And if you want to get personal: The slam that the most players have shunned in recent history is Wimbledon or perhaps the French Open. Clay courters like Kuerten skipping grass all together or perhaps some serve and volley specialist not going to the French.

No one would skip the USO, unless injured!

Lol...uhrm...what??
Are you kidding me?
I responded to another poster, im not bashing anyone.
My 2 personal favourites are Wimby and USO.

siowmotion
10-30-2009, 10:48 AM
The common consent has always been, in order of importance:

Wimbledon
US Open
French Open
Australian Open

and Cincinnati AKA the 5th slam!

Why is Cincinnati important?

o.o

GasquetGOAT
10-30-2009, 10:52 AM
Why is Cincinnati important?

o.o

Cincinnati IS the 5th slam, which Roger has won this year.

pame
10-30-2009, 11:09 AM
Why is Cincinnati important?

o.o

That comes from some idiot's post decclaring that Cincinnati was a slam which Nadal would win.

pame
10-30-2009, 11:12 AM
Who says Wimbledon is the biggest?

Ask any youngster who has eyes on being a tennis pro and a great which one he wants to win. I guarantee you the vast majority of them would say Wimbledon. Goodness, even when Nadal had 3 French under his belt he was still saying that Wimbledon is the slam he'd dreamt since he was a child about winning one day.

HarveyPitnik
10-30-2009, 01:47 PM
My completely subjective view is that U.S.Open is the biggest after Wimbledon.
And Wimbledon is the biggest after French Open.

I respect the most players that are successful on clay and French open is THE clay court tournament. So my ranking of the grand slams is: 1. French open 2. Wimbledon 3. U.S. 6. Australian .
I'm European and it just might show in my rankings. :twisted:

jms007
10-30-2009, 01:53 PM
I voted USO, but for me personally it's dropping in value.

All-rounder
10-30-2009, 01:56 PM
I lost interest in US open after its unorganised scheduling to mess up nadal's chance of winning us open :roll:

kafelnikov
10-30-2009, 02:05 PM
To me, Wimbledon and RG are the CLASSIC ones.

However, there's nothing better than night matches in NY or Melbourne.

icazares
10-30-2009, 02:15 PM
The US Open is the worst GS. Worst stadium in the world, bad management, bad schedule to name a few. The grotesque way in which Del Potro was almost denied of giving his title speech is testimony of the US Open decay and of what is really important for the organizers. Quite honestly, I think the US Open is at least 2-3 notches below other GS'. I know there is the element of tradition, but it's time for these guys to put it together. I know it's not going to happen, but for once I'd like to see the US Open to happen in a different city, or at least under different management.

BreakPoint
10-30-2009, 03:09 PM
Oh yeah. The US Open is so prestigious, that the 2009 Winner wasn't even allowed to make a proper acceptance speech because some old guy thought that going back to regular scheduled programming was more important..

Yeah, real classy..
And what does that have to do with prestige? :confused:

And, yes, going back to regularly scheduled programming is more important because it gets better ratings than tennis. Most TV viewers don't watch tennis and it had already gone way overtime.

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-30-2009, 03:41 PM
And what does that have to do with prestige? :confused:

And, yes, going back to regularly scheduled programming is more important because it gets better ratings than tennis. Most TV viewers don't watch tennis and it had already gone way overtime.

Well, so much for prestige then? Seems to be more about the sponsors dollar and what the TV networks want.. Sorry winner, you cant enjoy your moment because we have to cross to a repeat of CSI: Fargo for the people in the United States who think watching stories about cops catching people who are killing each other are more important than a "Prestigious" tennis tournament.........

BreakPoint
10-30-2009, 05:51 PM
Well, so much for prestige then? Seems to be more about the sponsors dollar and what the TV networks want.. Sorry winner, you cant enjoy your moment because we have to cross to a repeat of CSI: Fargo for the people in the United States who think watching stories about cops catching people who are killing each other are more important than a "Prestigious" tennis tournament.........
We're lucky they showed the awards ceremony at all and didn't cut it off altogether. Remember, that the final was played on Monday instead of Sunday when it was originally scheduled, so CBS had to pre-empt all the shows that the majority of the country was expecting to see on the normal schedule just to broadcast the US Open final at all. I'm sure they already angered most of the country since most of the country does not watch nor follow tennis and wanted to see their regular shows. The fact that the final went to 5 sets and over 4 hours certainly didn't help the network. I'd bet they got tons of nasty e-mails from viewers that had no interest in watching tennis and demanded to see their favorite programs.

BallzofSkill
10-30-2009, 05:55 PM
That comes from some idiot's post decclaring that Cincinnati was a slam which Nadal would win.

i don't know which is dumber, saying that cincy is the 5th slam or some other idiot's comment about losing in the first round is better than losing in the finals.

OddJack
10-30-2009, 06:13 PM
I am surprised by the number of votes for FO. Most people enjoy watching hard court matches better. French crowd does not have a good reputation as fans, many tennis stars have done better on HC rather than on clay, still it's going toe to toe with the fastest court on the tour.

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-30-2009, 07:43 PM
We're lucky they showed the awards ceremony at all and didn't cut it off altogether. Remember, that the final was played on Monday instead of Sunday when it was originally scheduled, so CBS had to pre-empt all the shows that the majority of the country was expecting to see on the normal schedule just to broadcast the US Open final at all. I'm sure they already angered most of the country since most of the country does not watch nor follow tennis and wanted to see their regular shows. The fact that the final went to 5 sets and over 4 hours certainly didn't help the network. I'd bet they got tons of nasty e-mails from viewers that had no interest in watching tennis and demanded to see their favorite programs.

A roof would have fixed that. But oh yeah, after big-noting to everyone that you have the biggest greatest stadium in the world for tennis. The thing is useless if it rains.. Look everyone. We built a giant big bucket!! lol...

Good on ya;)

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-31-2009, 01:40 AM
By the way. I voted the AO. because its the new year, and all the players are primed and prepped for it...

zambo
10-31-2009, 01:43 AM
Quite obviously the USO. But my favorite after Wimbledon is the AO. Just got to love the night matches and the atmosphere.

pame
10-31-2009, 02:04 AM
A roof would have fixed that. But oh yeah, after big-noting to everyone that you have the biggest greatest stadium in the world for tennis. The thing is useless if it rains.. Look everyone. We built a giant big bucket!! lol...

Good on ya;)

Strangely sharp criticism considering that up to last year, three of the four slam venues did NOT have a roof.

Gustavo Kuerten
10-31-2009, 02:18 AM
Haha, it's obvious there are a lot of Americans on this board, because nobody outside the USA considers the US Open the biggest after Wimbledon.

For me Roland Garros is bigger than Wimbledon, but that's probably because clay is by far my favorite surface.

caelia
10-31-2009, 02:20 AM
For me, it is australian open. Since it is the first grand slam of the new season, all of the tennis players are recovered from most of their flaws and they are enthusiastic to do their best. That provides us great matches to watch ^.^

Cesc Fabregas
10-31-2009, 02:26 AM
The French Open is bigger, there are millions of hardcourt events in the US all year round.

Anaconda
10-31-2009, 03:06 AM
French open is the worst slam. It's not due to the surface or anything like that. It is to do with the french crowd being all things i hate (rude,boring for example).

And apparently the miami masters is the '5th slam', according to wikipedia lol.

sh@de
10-31-2009, 03:41 AM
French open is the worst slam. It's not due to the surface or anything like that. It is to do with the french crowd being all things i hate (rude,boring for example).

And apparently the miami masters is the '5th slam', according to wikipedia lol.

Some say it's Cincinatti... :p

jwbarrientos
10-31-2009, 03:51 AM
hmmm, asuming Wimbledon is the first, what in case of many (not to say mostly or all of us) Roland Garros is the first one, you is clay.

zambo
10-31-2009, 04:15 AM
Some say it's Cincinatti... :p

Miami is the 5th slam for the WTA while Cincinatti is for the ATP. I don't really follow this theory however.

GasquetGOAT
10-31-2009, 04:57 AM
Haha, it's obvious there are a lot of Americans on this board, because nobody outside the USA considers the US Open the biggest after Wimbledon.For me Roland Garros is bigger than Wimbledon, but that's probably because clay is by far my favorite surface.

Wrong. I am "outside" the US and I consider.. actually a lot people I know outside the US consider US Open the biggest after Wimbledon.

The common consent has always been, in order of importance:

Wimbledon
US Open
French Open
Australian Open

GasquetGOAT
10-31-2009, 04:59 AM
Miami is the 5th slam for the WTA while Cincinatti is for the ATP. I don't really follow this theory however.

The theory is that Cincinnati is the real 5th slam, which Federer has won this year. Federer has won 3 slams this year and 17 in total.

Anaconda
10-31-2009, 05:10 AM
Murray has a slam then.........

srinrajesh
10-31-2009, 06:34 AM
We're lucky they showed the awards ceremony at all and didn't cut it off altogether. Remember, that the final was played on Monday instead of Sunday when it was originally scheduled, so CBS had to pre-empt all the shows that the majority of the country was expecting to see on the normal schedule just to broadcast the US Open final at all. I'm sure they already angered most of the country since most of the country does not watch nor follow tennis and wanted to see their regular shows. The fact that the final went to 5 sets and over 4 hours certainly didn't help the network. I'd bet they got tons of nasty e-mails from viewers that had no interest in watching tennis and demanded to see their favorite programs.

My dear friend..That itself shows the decreasing importance of USO... would the people in UK or france protest the same if Wimby or FO final is played on a monday and their regular shows are cancelled..
The USO has become nothing but a money spinner ... they cant even guarantee the spectator and TV ratings interest even on a friday .. thats why they have to play the SF and Final on consecutive days .. IMO Its the most disgraceful thing to ever happen in tennis history..
Talk about tradition and that USO is the second oldest ..is this how you wanted to take tennis to the future

srinrajesh
10-31-2009, 06:40 AM
I am surprised by the number of votes for FO. Most people enjoy watching hard court matches better. French crowd does not have a good reputation as fans, many tennis stars have done better on HC rather than on clay, still it's going toe to toe with the fastest court on the tour.

well the FO would be the second biggest according to most people if the survey is spread across the world. It is the surface that has the most history ... most players cut their teeth on clay and it is the premier clay court tourney now.. Earlier when USO was also played on clay for few years it could have been rated bigger and btw the fastest court in the tour does not mean it is the most prestigious one ....

THUNDERVOLLEY
10-31-2009, 06:45 AM
The U.S. Open. The FO and AO have always trailed in the distance.

sh@de
10-31-2009, 07:43 AM
I actually like the AO the best maybe, even better than Wimby, simply because I don't have to wake up in the middle of the night to watch the games :p

PCXL-Fan
10-31-2009, 07:50 AM
which grand slam is the biggest after wimbledon... well i'm tempted to make a Nalbandian joke but I'll say US Open.

That is generally recognized as the second biggest.

My favorite crowd would have to be the Aussies though. The majority of them display so much sportsmanship, its very refreshing and admirable.

jwbarrientos
10-31-2009, 09:29 AM
Haha, it's obvious there are a lot of Americans on this board, because nobody outside the USA considers the US Open the biggest after Wimbledon.

For me Roland Garros is bigger than Wimbledon, but that's probably because clay is by far my favorite surface.

It is obvious, at least for me ... at the end, only counts personal preferences, clay is obvious the hardest surface (IMO).

BreakPoint
10-31-2009, 10:16 AM
double post

BreakPoint
10-31-2009, 10:16 AM
Strangely sharp criticism considering that up to last year, three of the four slam venues did NOT have a roof.
And the main reason that the AO put up a roof is because it gets unbearably ridiculously intensely hot during the Australian summer under the midday sun. The other 3 Grand Slams don't have that problem. When have you ever seen a match suspended at the other 3 Grand Slams because it was too hot?

BreakPoint
10-31-2009, 10:28 AM
My dear friend..That itself shows the decreasing importance of USO... would the people in UK or france protest the same if Wimby or FO final is played on a monday and their regular shows are cancelled..
The USO has become nothing but a money spinner ... they cant even guarantee the spectator and TV ratings interest even on a friday .. thats why they have to play the SF and Final on consecutive days .. IMO Its the most disgraceful thing to ever happen in tennis history..
Talk about tradition and that USO is the second oldest ..is this how you wanted to take tennis to the future
The US is a much, much bigger country than either the UK or France. The majority of people in the US do not give a crap about tennis, regardless of what tournament it is (I suspect it's the same in the UK and France). People in the US care about football, baseball, and basketball.

They don't play the SF on Friday afternoons because most people are at work and not in front of their TV's. Makes sense to me. I'd rather be able to watch the semis on Saturday than to miss them completely because I was at work on Friday. I feel sorry for all the people who never get to see the semis of Wimbledon nor the French Open because they have jobs. Shame on them for putting earning a living over watching a tennis match.

ronjohn
10-31-2009, 10:50 AM
US Open even above Wimbledon

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-31-2009, 03:52 PM
And the main reason that the AO put up a roof is because it gets unbearably ridiculously intensely hot during the Australian summer under the midday sun. The other 3 Grand Slams don't have that problem. When have you ever seen a match suspended at the other 3 Grand Slams because it was too hot?

Actually that is not true.. Although it does get hot. The reason for the roof is because of Melbourne's unpredictable weather. There is a joke amongst Australians that say that Melbourne can have all 4 seasons in one day.. Its just the way the place is.

Again, you are only speculating and making up reasons to answer posts. I am thinking simply to boost your post count;) Once again, you are posting like an expert, but as usual lack any credible response, other than something you have Googled, and believe to be fact.

Agassifan
10-31-2009, 03:56 PM
No.. it is not only Americans that think the USO > RG. the USO is > RG

Exciting, fast and flashy tennis > RG. Not to mention the night matches.

PCXL-Fan
10-31-2009, 04:13 PM
Haha, it's obvious there are a lot of Americans on this board, because nobody outside the USA considers the US Open the biggest after Wimbledon.

For me Roland Garros is bigger than Wimbledon, but that's probably because clay is by far my favorite surface.

Well I'm not american. And i consider US Open to generally be the second biggest.

BreakPoint
10-31-2009, 05:14 PM
Actually that is not true.. Although it does get hot. The reason for the roof is because of Melbourne's unpredictable weather. There is a joke amongst Australians that say that Melbourne can have all 4 seasons in one day.. Its just the way the place is.

Has the Australian Open ever been suspended due to snow? No? I rest my case.

It gets too hot to play tennis at the AO. It never gets too cold to play tennis.

BTW, I never use Google. I guess you never do either. If you did, you wouldn't think Ljubicic was 5'9". LOL :oops:

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
10-31-2009, 07:44 PM
Has the Australian Open ever been suspended due to snow? No? I rest my case.

It gets too hot to play tennis at the AO. It never gets too cold to play tennis.

BTW, I never use Google. I guess you never do either. If you did, you wouldn't think Ljubicic was 5'9". LOL :oops:

How childish are you? Actually play hasn't been suspended because of snow, and is typical of you pulling at straws. But the fact is, it's not that far fetched. Some parts of Melbourne experienced snow at X-mas a few years back, and that is the middle of summer.. It was a freak weather system. Hence why Melbourne to Australians is probably more well known because of its weather than anything else..

As for Ljubicic, I am not a follower of him, so never knew how tall he was. Whats your point? Or are you now resorting to childish behavior to hide the fact that you have been caught out once again talking about stuff you simply don't know about....

And lastly. Any idiot would know that the roof was built because of rain delays, and not heat. The heat rule is somewhat new as far as that is concerned, so again, even that theory simply doesnt wash genius ;).....

ClubHoUno
10-31-2009, 08:14 PM
I'll start another thread called: "Which Grand Slam is the biggest after the two greates, Wimby and FO" :D

Darth_Timmaayyy!!
11-01-2009, 12:00 AM
Like this thread wasn't bad enough, lol...

srinrajesh
11-01-2009, 02:40 AM
The US is a much, much bigger country than either the UK or France. The majority of people in the US do not give a crap about tennis, regardless of what tournament it is (I suspect it's the same in the UK and France). People in the US care about football, baseball, and basketball.

They don't play the SF on Friday afternoons because most people are at work and not in front of their TV's. Makes sense to me. I'd rather be able to watch the semis on Saturday than to miss them completely because I was at work on Friday. I feel sorry for all the people who never get to see the semis of Wimbledon nor the French Open because they have jobs. Shame on them for putting earning a living over watching a tennis match.

I was replying to your comments regarding the viewership... If a lot of people within US itself wouldnt be able to take time off work for few hours one day a year to watch tennis live at one of the biggest tournaments of the year...doesnt that show the reducing importance of the GS.

I understand your point about non tennis watchers but i doubt they would grudge one programme overrun on one occasion every few years... its not that common for the final to be on monday..

And please dont use size alone about US to make statements as India and china are much larger than US in terms of population and TV viewers and there are a lot of tennis fans growing around the world.

The idiot who almost didnt allow Delpo to speak could have caused lot of damage.. dont you think the young fan trying to pick up tennis may be less encouraged by such incidents? well the important point i am trying to get through is that USO has reduced in importance due to 2 important facts ---
1) 2 grand slams are played on hard courts now -USO along with Australian Open..It doesnt have the unique tag that FO has due to its unique clay surface
2) commercial nature of USO putting viewerships above the need for players--why would anyone want to schedule 2 best of 5 set matches on consecutive days. There is a good chance of a badly contested final if one player has to struggle to win the SF and other one has a romp particularly if it is the second SF that goes to 4-5 hours.

DRII
11-01-2009, 06:07 AM
I was replying to your comments regarding the viewership... If a lot of people within US itself wouldnt be able to take time off work for few hours one day a year to watch tennis live at one of the biggest tournaments of the year...doesnt that show the reducing importance of the GS.

I understand your point about non tennis watchers but i doubt they would grudge one programme overrun on one occasion every few years... its not that common for the final to be on monday..

And please dont use size alone about US to make statements as India and china are much larger than US in terms of population and TV viewers and there are a lot of tennis fans growing around the world.

The idiot who almost didnt allow Delpo to speak could have caused lot of damage.. dont you think the young fan trying to pick up tennis may be less encouraged by such incidents? well the important point i am trying to get through is that USO has reduced in importance due to 2 important facts ---
1) 2 grand slams are played on hard courts now -USO along with Australian Open..It doesnt have the unique tag that FO has due to its unique clay surface
2) commercial nature of USO putting viewerships above the need for players--why would anyone want to schedule 2 best of 5 set matches on consecutive days. There is a good chance of a badly contested final if one player has to struggle to win the SF and other one has a romp particularly if it is the second SF that goes to 4-5 hours.

Much of your post clearly shows you are culturally ignorant regarding the U.S. It is not common, unlike in Europe or some parts of Asia, for large swaths of Americans to take time off work to watch a sporting event on television. Its not in our nature. Perhaps if for some stupid reason, the NFL and television networks decided to show the Super Bowl during the middle of a work day, then maybe many Americans would take time off from work. The Television Networks, and thus the Sports franchises, know they need to show programming when most Americans are able to watch it. How you consider this a negative is almost beyond me!

And India and China may have larger populations, yet that does not necessarily translate into larger television audiences (lack of broad based media access). Most sport franchises and other consumer depended marketable industries consider China and India to be important emerging markets but still know America and Europe are more financially important.

DRII
11-01-2009, 06:11 AM
which grand slam is the biggest after wimbledon... well i'm tempted to make a Nalbandian joke but I'll say US Open.

That is generally recognized as the second biggest.

My favorite crowd would have to be the Aussies though. The majority of them display so much sportsmanship, its very refreshing and admirable.

What?

So often the Aussie crowd looks like, and acts lie, an AA rejects meeting!

I've seen some less than desirable behavior at the AO.

BreakPoint
11-01-2009, 11:22 AM
I was replying to your comments regarding the viewership... If a lot of people within US itself wouldnt be able to take time off work for few hours one day a year to watch tennis live at one of the biggest tournaments of the year...doesnt that show the reducing importance of the GS.

I understand your point about non tennis watchers but i doubt they would grudge one programme overrun on one occasion every few years... its not that common for the final to be on monday..

And please dont use size alone about US to make statements as India and china are much larger than US in terms of population and TV viewers and there are a lot of tennis fans growing around the world.

The idiot who almost didnt allow Delpo to speak could have caused lot of damage.. dont you think the young fan trying to pick up tennis may be less encouraged by such incidents? well the important point i am trying to get through is that USO has reduced in importance due to 2 important facts ---
1) 2 grand slams are played on hard courts now -USO along with Australian Open..It doesnt have the unique tag that FO has due to its unique clay surface
2) commercial nature of USO putting viewerships above the need for players--why would anyone want to schedule 2 best of 5 set matches on consecutive days. There is a good chance of a badly contested final if one player has to struggle to win the SF and other one has a romp particularly if it is the second SF that goes to 4-5 hours.
Does EVERYONE in India and China take a day off of work just to watch ANY Grand Slam tennis match?

The U.S. is a much larger tennis market than both India and China COMBINED! Just look at the total dollars spent on tennis in these markets. Even with the huge tennis market in the U.S. as compared to India and China, it is still a tiny market in the U.S. compared to the entire TV programming market and professional/recreational sports market.

And, no, most people in the US don't take a day off of work to watch Wimbledon, French Open, nor the Australian Open, either. If we don't even take a day off of work to watch the US Open, there's no way we would take a day off of work to watch any of the other 3 Grand Slams. We're very fortunate that we're able to watch both men's semifinals on a Saturday when most people have the day off from work and can spend the time watching it on TV comfortably at home instead of missing the semis completely, as is the case with the other 3 Grand Slams.

totaleclipseoftheheart
11-01-2009, 11:57 AM
How 'bout this:

1. Wimbledon
2. US Open and French Open
3. US Open and French Open
4. Australian Open