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drakulie
11-02-2009, 01:03 PM
Well, get another update and use the video that actually shows what he had been doing.

No. Deal with the facts.

Are you for real? Gasquet never took any drugs and was wrongly accused. THAT's why Nadal defended Gasquet. Agassi HAS taken drugs and is being rightly attacked.

^^^^gasquet tested positive for cocaine. What planet have you been living on?? NadalaMars??

zambo
11-02-2009, 01:09 PM
^^^^gasquet tested positive for cocaine. What planet have you been living on?? NadalaMars??


Richard Gasquet escaped a lengthy doping ban Wednesday when the International Tennis Federation's tribunal panel ruled that he inadvertently [B/]took cocaine by kissing a woman in a nightclub.[B/]

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=4329491

Yeah, he took cocaine purposely...:roll:

You're digging a pretty big hole here.

sureshs
11-02-2009, 01:15 PM
As I suspected, there might be more to it. Jon Wertheim is speculating that Agassi came clean in order to prempt criticism when he runs for office. His school and charities were probably the first steps towards political entry. This ensures that he is not "outed" by his rival during a campaign.

el sergento
11-02-2009, 01:37 PM
As I suspected, there might be more to it. Jon Wertheim is speculating that Agassi came clean in order to prempt criticism when he runs for office. His school and charities were probably the first steps towards political entry. This ensures that he is not "outed" by his rival during a campaign.

So what, if W. can be president for eight years despite being a recovering alcoholic and cocaine addict then AA is on the right path. His skeleton collection is pretty small, so he did meth and wore a wig?

coloskier
11-02-2009, 01:41 PM
Nadal condemning Agassi is kind of like Rush Limbaugh condemning drug users.

AAAA
11-02-2009, 02:30 PM
Do you honestly think Nadal is dumb enough to criticize Agassi in front of the press regarding his bad behavior yet he's taking drugs himself? :roll:

In another sport, track and field, Carl Lewis did exactly that regarding Ben Johnson. It happens.

TennisandMusic
11-02-2009, 02:50 PM
To be fair, Gasquet's "I kissed a girl who took cocaine" sounds similar to Agassi's "I drank a soda spiked with meth." Similar defense.

I guess the difference is that Gasquet is maintaining his innocence while Agassi has stated he did cheat.

So there is no hypocrisy to criticize someone who flaunts cheating, while standing by someone maintaining their innocence. Anyone who suggests otherwise is either a troll (surprise, surprise), or doesn't have the marginal brain power required to understand the difference.

settolove
11-02-2009, 03:15 PM
Like what?

Cycling
Athletics

Tennis does not even test every single athlete at every tournament - they pick out a few "random" players to test.

This article has some figures & links to the source info:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/168404-marion-jones-should-have-played-tennis
In-Competition Testing conducted by the ITF for the 2008 Season

* 20 tests for EPO for the entire 2008 season. Please note on the full-player sheet, it lists the number at 40. Counting the number of tests and confirming it with the Summary Sheet, it shows only 20 EPO tests conducted.
* 0 EPO tests were conducted at Wimbledon, right before the tight schedule leading up to the Olympics.
* 157 Blood Tests while in competition.
* 1,700 Urine Tests.

Out-of-Competition testing conducted by the ITF/WADA for the 2008 Season

* 91 Urine Tests.

Out-of-Competition testing conducted by the ITF/WADA for the 2008 Season

* 0 Blood Tests listed on the Summary Sheet;
8 Blood Tests listed on the Player Sheets.
* 0 EPO
Total Testing Done for the 2008 Season

* 2,018 according to both Summary and Player Sheets
(not including the 8 OOC blood tests listed)

Compare pro-tennis to the much-maligned top pro-cyclers who were subjected to 13,224 by the UCI (its governing body).

It's lucky for tennis players that, unlike other sports:

* its test results are never announced to the public (yes, positive tests do not have to be announced); and
* those reviewing any test can ask and obtain the player's name.

sureshs
11-02-2009, 04:18 PM
All top players are tested

NamRanger
11-02-2009, 04:25 PM
All top players are tested


Not to the degree that cyclists and other athletes are.

drakulie
11-02-2009, 07:43 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=4329491

Yeah, he took cocaine purposely...:roll:

You're digging a pretty big hole here.


hahahaha!!! yeah>>> he "kissed a girl" :roll:

I suppose he stuck his tongue down her nostril after she snorted it. What's next?? LMAO

Bottom line>>> Nadal is a huge hypocrite. He stands by a guy who tested positive, and condemns another one who has come clean.

Additionally nadal has been extermely vocal in constantly criticizing the ATP for their drug policy/procedure.

Nice. Real nice.

Lee James
11-03-2009, 07:00 AM
Why has this so easily degenerated into a thread about everyone under the sun?! Jeez people, can we stick to Andre!

Blinkism
11-03-2009, 07:17 AM
The news agency reported him practicing , and used the archived footage for the report.

As I said, welcome to 2009.

No they didn't.

The link you provided is a "VamosRafa" youtube channel which provided the translation into Spanish from Catalan. Vamosrafa.es is a FAN SITE.

So, off the bat, it is a second hand news source. The original news source is a minor news station from majorca, and the clip is from a sports segment.

The original news source is in the Catalan language, and not standard Castillian Spanish.

Here's what the video' subtitles (written by the VamosRafa fan group) in Spanish say:
RenunciÓ a Queen's, se ha perdido Wimbledon, pero todo llega, Rafa se plantea jugar los cuartos de final de la eliminatoria de Copa Davis contra Alemania de aquÍ a 2 semanas. Nadal sigue con el tratamiento, entrena todavÍa de manera suave y se pasa horas y horas en el gimnasio y en la piscina haciendo ejercicios de recuperaciÓn.
Si todo va bien y las rodillas responded quiere estar en Marbella para jugar contra Alemania el 10 de Julio.


Translation: “After resigning from Queens and withdrawing from Wimbledon, Rafa considers to play Quarterfinals of the Davis Cup against Germany in 2 weeks. Nadal continues with treatment, still training lightly/smoothly and he spends hours and hours in the gimnasio [gym, gymnasium, or health club] and in the swimming pool doing recovery exercises. If everything goes well, he wants to be in Marbella to play against Germany the 10th of July.”

Nowhere does it say Nadal is on a tennis court.

That was a purely imagined Drakulie lie.

The Spanish for tennis court is "Pista de tenis". Tell me where, in the subtitles, those words come up?

They don't come up. Only in Drakulie's imagination.

Ok, now here's the kicker

This clip is the ONLY source on the internet that "reports" Nadal doing anything at all during Wimbledon. It reports it 2 days after Nadal's departure from London, and has NO firsthand interview with Nadal, himself.

On July 20th, the EXACT SAME SOURCE that Drakulie uses contradicted Drakulie's "translation" by posting a video report (form the same original source, the IB3 station from Majorca) that Nadal returns to the tennis court for the FIRST TIME since withdrawing from Wimbledon!! And on top of this, it includes an actual interview with Nadal where he says he is happy to be on a court for the first time since before Wimbledon.

During this time, there are many, many, reports and interviews with Nadal that fully show that his first time on a tennis court since withdrawing from Wimbledon was mid-July.

VIDEO FROM VAMOSRAFA – same source as Drakulie’s last video - Nadal practices for the first time since Wimbledon IN JULY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfAjGyP_VOw&NR=1

Here's more
“I’m very happy to be back training, get to touch a racket again and do what I love doing the most. At the same time, it was just a very light session, without putting too much pressure; just enough to see how I am" - Rafael Nadal, in JULY
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/nadal-training-again-after-knee-injury-layoff-1754147.html
http://www.rafaelnadal.com/nadal/en/news/2009/07

----

So there you go.

Drakulie is a liar.

Not to mention the many lies about laptop girl and him swearing Nadal is practicing for Davis Cup after Wimbledon, which Nadal did not participate in.

drakulie
11-03-2009, 07:18 AM
No they didn't.



Yes, they did.

Blinkism
11-03-2009, 07:25 AM
Yes, they did.

"Truth is, Drakulie is a liar. Here is a video of me proving him wrong" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfAjGyP_VOw&NR=1 ~ R. Nadal

drakulie
11-03-2009, 07:41 AM
"Truth is,


1. Nadal lied about his withdrawal from wimbledon.
2. Defends Gasquet
3. Criticizies the doping policy and procedure.
4. Puts down AA for coming clean.

Blinkism
11-03-2009, 09:18 AM
1. Nadal lied about his withdrawal from wimbledon.
2. Defends Gasquet
3. Criticizies the doping policy and procedure.
4. Puts down AA for coming clean.

Here is a video about Nadal discussing the steroid issue in detail

He, once and for all, finally lays out everything on the table and I think that this clip will be the end of our discussions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ

drakulie
11-03-2009, 09:28 AM
^^^


Nadal defended gasquet. (please provide a link where he say he was wrong to condemn AA, while defending gasquet)
Please provide a link where he says he is sorry and wrong for criticizing the ATP and WADA for their drug policy and procedure.

Blinkism
11-03-2009, 09:30 AM
^^^


Nadal is awesome. (please provide a link where you can prove Nadal is not awesome)
Please provide a link where he you say you're sorry for being a liar and a paranoid troll.

drakulie
11-03-2009, 09:45 AM
^^^

Nadal is awesome. I agree.

Now, please prove he is not a hypcorite.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-03-2009, 09:46 AM
Blinkism and drakulie at it again- I assume you are not gonna spend christmas together ! :) j/k

Blinkism
11-03-2009, 09:47 AM
I agree.

Now, please prove he is not a hypcorite.

Here you go

If this doesn't prove he is not a hypocrite, I don't know what does!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQzUsTFqtW0

drakulie
11-03-2009, 09:53 AM
Blinkism and drakulie at it again- I assume you are not gonna spend christmas together ! :) j/k


Of course we will. It's always nice to know I have so many fans on this board, and am always very humbled they are so enamored with me, they even copy my avatar. I find my fans to be very cute that way.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-03-2009, 09:55 AM
Of course we will. It's always nice to know I have so many fans on this board, and am always very humbled they are so enamored with me, they even copy my avatar. I find my fans to be very cute that way.
Yeah, i would be very flattered if people copied my avatar :)

Gorecki
11-03-2009, 10:07 AM
http://www.hoseheadforums.com/images/uploadedimages/Forums/media/Raceway%20Video/costanzaPopcorn.gif


more... more....

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-03-2009, 10:10 AM
http://www.hoseheadforums.com/images/uploadedimages/Forums/media/Raceway%20Video/costanzaPopcorn.gif


more... more....
Lol, gotta love George Costanza.
Hey Gorecki speaking about avatars the first time (and for months) i thought your avatar was some kind of Ice-cream, dunno why, it just looked that way.

Gorecki
11-03-2009, 10:12 AM
Lol, gotta love George Costanza.
Hey Gorecki speaking about avatars the first time (and for months) i thought your avatar was some kind of Ice-cream, dunno why, it just looked that way.

it's a photo of a clothes pin of the original Head Radical Logo...

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-03-2009, 10:19 AM
it's a photo of a clothes pin of the original Head Radical Logo...
Yes i found out after a while...It looked smaller before or maybe i need to go check my eyes :shock:

Gorecki
11-03-2009, 10:21 AM
Yes i found out after a while...It looked smaller before or maybe i need to go check my eyes :shock:

the pic is sortta blurry so... i think your eyes might be ok.:)

but lets not hijack the "please provide link debate"...:)

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-03-2009, 10:22 AM
the pic is sortta blurry so... i think your eyes might be ok.:)

but lets not hijack the "please provide link debate"...:)
Oh sorry...:)

Gorecki
11-03-2009, 10:24 AM
Oh sorry...:)
:)

want some?:
http://www.insidesocal.com/bargain/popcorn.jpg

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-03-2009, 10:27 AM
:)

want some?:
http://www.insidesocal.com/bargain/popcorn.jpg
Nah ill pass, thanx anyway! Im more of a peanut guy :)

Blinkism
11-03-2009, 10:31 AM
Blinkism and drakulie at it again- I assume you are not gonna spend christmas together ! :) j/k

Shhh, TMOP, don't tell drakulie but I think I want to get him a tin foil hat for christmas. It will be a surprise!

Do you think he'll like it, or do you think he already has too many?

:)

http://www.jessicadunton.com/blog/TinfoilHat.jpg

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-03-2009, 10:32 AM
Shhh, TMOP, don't tell drakulie but I think I want to get him a tin foil hat for christmas. It will be a surprise!

Do you think he'll like it, or do you think he already has too many?

:)

http://www.jessicadunton.com/blog/TinfoilHat.jpg
Lol, thats the ugliest thing ive ever seen in my life :)
For some reason the cat`s hat looked cool though

Blinkism
11-03-2009, 10:38 AM
Of course we will. It's always nice to know I have so many fans on this board, and am always very humbled they are so enamored with me, they even copy my avatar. I find my fans to be very cute that way.

Who's copying what?

This is a completely original avatar!

Please provide a link proving it isn't.

Gorecki
11-03-2009, 10:43 AM
Blink... you are not being funny. here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYnScumGAF4

Blinkism
11-03-2009, 10:46 AM
Blink... you are not being funny. here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYnScumGAF4

Thanks for staying on topic, Gorecki.

You've given me a lot to think about with that link.

I think you could learn a lot from this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F-ij_eZI3U

Shocking stuff

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-03-2009, 10:54 AM
Wayyy off-topic, but since we are now posting videos of animals... heres my dogs!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwgthdU5Gic

sureshs
11-03-2009, 11:27 AM
Who's copying what?

This is a completely original avatar!

Please provide a link proving it isn't.

Don't copy other people's avatars. Be original.

TheTruth
11-03-2009, 02:40 PM
He criticizes aa while defending gasquet. That is hypocricy.



The news agency reported him practicing , and used the archived footage for the report.

As I said, welcome to 2009.

What was the story with Fed's views on Canas?

jackson vile
11-03-2009, 02:59 PM
Thanks for staying on topic, Gorecki.

You've given me a lot to think about with that link.

I think you could learn a lot from this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F-ij_eZI3U

Shocking stuff

LoL that is exaclty where he took the topic

Gorecki
11-03-2009, 03:07 PM
Thanks for staying on topic, Gorecki.

You've given me a lot to think about with that link.

I think you could learn a lot from this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F-ij_eZI3U

Shocking stuff

thanks. i'll see what i can do.

after all i dont have the power of common sense, as we all know, much better than logic or science! you must excuse my limitations...:-|

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HadYEieSKq0

drakulie
11-04-2009, 07:15 AM
What was the story with Fed's views on Canas?

Don't know, don't care.

kkm
11-04-2009, 08:23 AM
Agassi's revelation was meant to embarrass the ATP. It could be out of spite for the way his puppet, Perry Rogers, was kicked out of the Player's Council, or he may have some issues with others during his time.

But Agassi and Rogers had a falling out...

sureshs
11-04-2009, 08:36 AM
But Agassi and Rogers had a falling out...

Steffi and Rogers had a falling out.

But one interesting fact I read was that the split with Perry is not discussed in his book. Does any one know if Perry is mentioned at all?

kkm
11-04-2009, 02:57 PM
Steffi and Rogers had a falling out.

But one interesting fact I read was that the split with Perry is not discussed in his book. Does any one know if Perry is mentioned at all?

But Agassi/Graf lost a bundle of money with Rogers at the helm of Agassi/Graf Enterprises.
Maybe Agassi was already finished with the book when he split with Rogers? Or maybe he removed any mention of Rogers from a completed draft?

TheTruth
11-04-2009, 03:08 PM
Don't know, don't care.

Really? You're going around calling Nadal a hypocrite for defending Gasquet and not being supportive of Agassi, but you don't know, or want to know whether or not Fed was hypocritical as well? You only want to bash Nadal?

Wow! That's pretty deep.

This response says it all.

LiveForever
11-04-2009, 03:16 PM
Really? You're going around calling Nadal a hypocrite for defending Gasquet and not being supportive of Agassi, but you don't know, or want to know whether or not Fed was hypocritical as well? You only want to bash Nadal?

Wow! That's pretty deep.

This response says it all.
Well Federer said that he was "Dissapointed" about Agassis drug use. Aside from that, the ATP incorrectly accused Canas of doping, which tarnished his name and banned him for two years. At the time Federer commented on that issue, people didnt know many details of the issue. Now Nadal on the other hand, comes out and supports his buddies, Gasquet and Phelps, for recreational drug use and then has a quick change of heart and blasts Andre for taking Crystal Meth. Which seems really hypocritical considering Nadal played along with Gasquets utter BS story about accidentally ingesting cocaine from kissing a girl at a party. I still LOL at gasquets blatant lie and how he got away.

drakulie
11-04-2009, 04:56 PM
Really? You're going around calling Nadal a hypocrite for defending Gasquet and not being supportive of Agassi,

he is. end of story.

If you want to start another subject on the matter feel free to do so.

OddJack
11-04-2009, 05:54 PM
Becker joined in too

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/293062,becker-agassi-harms-tennis-with-drugs-confession.html

msc886
11-04-2009, 08:53 PM
Really? You're going around calling Nadal a hypocrite for defending Gasquet and not being supportive of Agassi, but you don't know, or want to know whether or not Fed was hypocritical as well? You only want to bash Nadal?

Wow! That's pretty deep.

This response says it all.

Nadal is being a hypocrite. He defends Phelps, who alos took recreational drugs. How does he know Gasquet didn't intentionally take coke (his story is quite dodgy)? But then when Agassi admits it, he blast him.

feetofclay
11-05-2009, 12:59 AM
Nadal is being a hypocrite. He defends Phelps, who alos took recreational drugs. How does he know Gasquet didn't intentionally take coke (his story is quite dodgy)? But then when Agassi admits it, he blast him.

Strange how Federer feels the need to be protective towards Agassi. He didn't feel that way about Canas.

Interview after his loss to Canas Indian Wells 2007

Give me some thoughts when he was suspended for 15 months, whether he'd ever come back again? Are you kind of surprised he's been able to do what he's done?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, you know, I'm really -- I don't know how the whole process of how something like that happens. They always fight for it anyway, everybody that was tested positive, you know. That's, for me, just not understandable, you know. Everybody who gets caught always says, "I didn't do anything," so...
It's just not right, you know.
It depends on how long the suspension is. In the end, they always cut them short, you know. So I'm definitely not surprised to see him back, you know.

zagor
11-05-2009, 01:12 AM
Strange how Federer feels the need to be protective towards Agassi. He didn't feel that way about Canas.

Interview after his loss to Canas Indian Wells 2007

Give me some thoughts when he was suspended for 15 months, whether he'd ever come back again? Are you kind of surprised he's been able to do what he's done?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, you know, I'm really -- I don't know how the whole process of how something like that happens. They always fight for it anyway, everybody that was tested positive, you know. That's, for me, just not understandable, you know. Everybody who gets caught always says, "I didn't do anything," so...
It's just not right, you know.
It depends on how long the suspension is. In the end, they always cut them short, you know. So I'm definitely not surprised to see him back, you know.

Canas was accused of using performance enhancing drugs(doping)while Gasquet,Agassi,Phelps etc. used recreational drugs which have no positive effect on their game whatsoever.

That's why those cases aren't really comparable,a player who uses performance enhancing drugs has un unfair advantage over his competitors while a player who uses recreational drugs has no advantage whatsoever.

The punishment for using performance enhancing drugs is much,much more severe than the one for using recreational drugs,it's hardly comparable.

dropshot winner
11-05-2009, 01:13 AM
Strange how Federer feels the need to be protective towards Agassi. He didn't feel that way about Canas.

Interview after his loss to Canas Indian Wells 2007

Give me some thoughts when he was suspended for 15 months, whether he'd ever come back again? Are you kind of surprised he's been able to do what he's done?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, you know, I'm really -- I don't know how the whole process of how something like that happens. They always fight for it anyway, everybody that was tested positive, you know. That's, for me, just not understandable, you know. Everybody who gets caught always says, "I didn't do anything," so...
It's just not right, you know.
It depends on how long the suspension is. In the end, they always cut them short, you know. So I'm definitely not surprised to see him back, you know.
Canas was tested positive for a substance that makes PEDs undetectable, Agassi admitted that he took recreational drugs, big difference.

msc886
11-05-2009, 04:03 AM
Strange how Federer feels the need to be protective towards Agassi. He didn't feel that way about Canas.

Interview after his loss to Canas Indian Wells 2007

Give me some thoughts when he was suspended for 15 months, whether he'd ever come back again? Are you kind of surprised he's been able to do what he's done?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, you know, I'm really -- I don't know how the whole process of how something like that happens. They always fight for it anyway, everybody that was tested positive, you know. That's, for me, just not understandable, you know. Everybody who gets caught always says, "I didn't do anything," so...
It's just not right, you know.
It depends on how long the suspension is. In the end, they always cut them short, you know. So I'm definitely not surprised to see him back, you know.

Federer said he was disapponted with Agassi but also points out that Agassi has also contributed a lot as well.
As with his view about Canas, well, you tell me; If you got beaten by a guy who was tested positive for PED's how would you feel?
It's a different case to Agassi. Agassi's is a drug he took because he was down, it's not a PED.

Nadal's case, he defends Phelps and Gasquet for recreational drugs and then he bashes Agassi for it (who took it at a low time of his life).

David L
11-05-2009, 04:07 AM
Strange how Federer feels the need to be protective towards Agassi. He didn't feel that way about Canas.

Interview after his loss to Canas Indian Wells 2007

Give me some thoughts when he was suspended for 15 months, whether he'd ever come back again? Are you kind of surprised he's been able to do what he's done?

ROGER FEDERER: Well, you know, I'm really -- I don't know how the whole process of how something like that happens. They always fight for it anyway, everybody that was tested positive, you know. That's, for me, just not understandable, you know. Everybody who gets caught always says, "I didn't do anything," so...
It's just not right, you know.
It depends on how long the suspension is. In the end, they always cut them short, you know. So I'm definitely not surprised to see him back, you know.
Aside from the fact that Agassi's drug use was recreational and Canas' performance enhancement related, Federer does not blast Canas here. He simply says it's a bit strange how everyone found with a prohibited substance in them always plead innocence. And that he was not surprised to see Canas back early because the authorities often cut penalties short. In any case, it's not as if Federer said what Agassi did was okay or condoned it in any way. He said that was wrong too.

CMM
11-05-2009, 04:18 AM
Nadal didn't bash Agassi. He just said that he should have been punished for what he did, which is true. You all jump on him simply because you never heard him saying anything bad about other players, and now you finally got an opportunity.

Gorecki
11-05-2009, 04:25 AM
Canas was tested positive for a substance that makes PEDs undetectable, Agassi admitted that he took recreational drugs, big difference.

yes. i agree.. Big difference there. Agassi was destroying his body and Canas was making his better by resoting to PED's and covering it more junk...

David L
11-05-2009, 04:33 AM
Nadal didn't bash Agassi. He just said that he should have been punished for what he did, which is true. You all jump on him simply because you never heard him saying anything bad about other players, and now you finally got an opportunity.
Yes, but in the past, Nadal has had a totally different tone on the use of recreational drugs by athletes.

Nadal said while Phelps' image has taken a hit, he is human and like all of us prone to making mistakes.

"It does not portray the best possible image, but everyone can have a slip-up," Nadal said. "In the end sportsmen are just not machines. Everyone is free to do whatever they want."

"He has been on holiday for some time," Nadal said. "He has attained all his goals and he is taking a sabbatical leave and he is totally free to be able to do it. He will have plenty of time to get back and prepare for the coming Games."

http://www.tennisweek.com/news/fullstory.sps?inewsid=6626416

CMM
11-05-2009, 05:00 AM
Maybe Nadal doesn't know what kind of rules are in swimming.
And, as I said before, it's normal for Nadal to say nice things about him, because Phelps said he is his fan, just like it's normal for Federer to defend Agassi after all those eulogies he got from him after RG.

drakulie
11-05-2009, 06:25 AM
Nadal didn't bash Agassi. He just said that he should have been punished for what he did, which is true.

and he should of said the same about, Gasquet, which he didn't. He defended him. That's a Hypocrite.

You all jump on him simply because you never heard him saying anything bad about other players, and now you finally got an opportunity.

:roll:

CMM
11-05-2009, 07:54 AM
and he should of said the same about, Gasquet, which he didn't. He defended him. That's a Hypocrite.



:roll:

Nadal has a message for you:

http://www.imagebam.com/image/6916c954768929

drakulie
11-05-2009, 08:18 AM
http://theblacksentinel.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/hypocrite.jpg

Blinkism
11-05-2009, 11:31 AM
[/LIST]I agree.

Now, please prove he is not a hypcorite.

Who cares if Nadal is a hypocrite.

I cheer for Nadal on the court, what he does and says off-court doesn't really matter to me much.

Sure, he's a hypocrite... what's that got to do with how he plays?

I know you like to take every opportunity to annoy Nadal fans, but this is pretty irrelevant to his tennis.

TheTruth
11-05-2009, 09:46 PM
Nadal is being a hypocrite. He defends Phelps, who alos took recreational drugs. How does he know Gasquet didn't intentionally take coke (his story is quite dodgy)? But then when Agassi admits it, he blast him.

Gasquet claims innocence. That leaves people to speculate, but not actually know since we weren't there.

Agassi claims guilt, lies about it, and then spills it in a tell-all book. You think that's noble?

What's worse than the drugs is him outing the ATP who thought they were helping him by not destroying his career. I call that backstabbing and not giving a care about circumstances and how your actions affect others.

And speaking of hypocrites, I can't help laughing at all these people, (not you, because I haven't seen many of your posts) who are calling others hypocrites, judgmental, etc, and then if you look at their previous postings you see that they haven't been so objective towards their non-favorites either.

When it was the Argentinians, there was a lot of moral outrage on this board. They were called cheaters, untrustworthy, etc. for ASTHMA medicine and should pay the penalty for being a cheat, blah, blah, blah.

Now, many of these same people come out because its Agassi and their entire rationale has been twisted to look the other way, just like the ATP did.

How about people look at their own comments and see how objective they've been when the shoe was on the other foot?

Gen
11-06-2009, 01:39 AM
Judging by the number of posts, this ugly creature with an ugly nick and ugly avatar who calls Nadal "hypocrite" doesn't have a life of his own. His only target and occupation is polluting internet with ugliness, stupidity and abuse.

And Nadal will decide for himself (without asking permissions from the likes of you) whom to support and whom to discard.

Gen
11-06-2009, 03:10 AM
Nadal shouldnt even be allowed on commenting this, Agassi and Federer is pure greatness.
Nadal is a buttpicker, crybaby,hypocrite,time-delayer and rule-bender.
He shouldnt even mention Agassis name.

Vow! So you're again at it, Mr.Professional. Who's a crybaby in your list? Shall I provide some pics of this prodigy? And stop lying about your professional status. Tennis is a game of gentlemen rather than guttersnipes like you.

CMM
11-06-2009, 03:39 AM
I guess you know about this better than me since i dont follow anything Nadal does,says,or thinks.

This proves that your opinion concerning him has nothing to do with reality.
Maybe you were born to be a hater.
And Rafael Nadal is pure greatness. I know this because I follow what he does and what he says.

sh@de
11-06-2009, 03:42 AM
and he should of said the same about, Gasquet, which he didn't. He defended him. That's a Hypocrite.



:roll:

should have!!!! Not should 'of' :evil: You drive me crazy :p

I agree with drak though... Nadal is being a bit hypocritical...

dropshot winner
11-06-2009, 04:13 AM
Gasquet claims innocence. That leaves people to speculate, but not actually know since we weren't there.

Agassi claims guilt, lies about it, and then spills it in a tell-all book. You think that's noble?

What's worse than the drugs is him outing the ATP who thought they were helping him by not destroying his career. I call that backstabbing and not giving a care about circumstances and how your actions affect others.

And speaking of hypocrites, I can't help laughing at all these people, (not you, because I haven't seen many of your posts) who are calling others hypocrites, judgmental, etc, and then if you look at their previous postings you see that they haven't been so objective towards their non-favorites either.

When it was the Argentinians, there was a lot of moral outrage on this board. They were called cheaters, untrustworthy, etc. for ASTHMA medicine and should pay the penalty for being a cheat, blah, blah, blah.

Now, many of these same people come out because its Agassi and their entire rationale has been twisted to look the other way, just like the ATP did.

How about people look at their own comments and see how objective they've been when the shoe was on the other foot?

Asthma is one of the lamest excuses in pro sports today.

In swimming between 60 and 70% of the athlets claim to have asthma.
It's been like that for many years, I read somehwere that in the olympic wintergames of 1994 70% of all athletes claimed to suffer from asthma (which includes curlers).

Some asthma medicines are known to improve the endurance, some of them contain various substances otherwise used as PEDs (helpful to explain positive tests and reduce bans).

Gorecki
11-06-2009, 05:55 AM
Asthma is one of the lamest excuses in pro sports today.

In swimming between 60 and 70% of the athlets claim to have asthma.
It's been like that for many years, I read somehwere that in the olympic wintergames of 1994 70% of all athletes claimed to suffer from asthma (which includes curlers).

Some asthma medicines are known to improve the endurance, some of them contain various substances otherwise used as PEDs (helpful to explain positive tests and reduce bans).

true. Ventilan, the worlds most famous asthma medicine contains Salbutamol, wich is a banned substance for it's effects on bronchial dilatation. unless you suffer from asthma... :)

TheMusicLover
11-06-2009, 08:16 AM
Some asthma medicines are known to improve the endurance, some of them contain various substances otherwise used as PEDs (helpful to explain positive tests and reduce bans).

Being an asthma patient myself (yes, a REAL one ;)) I can indeed confirm this is very, very true - salbutamol, for instance, is an adrenaline-derivative.
ADRENALIN, folks. Yes, it enhances one's performance. :twisted:

SquashPlayer
11-06-2009, 09:28 AM
I think never before from the Tennis world have we gotten a bunch of poseurs like we've gotten in the aftermath of the Agassi "confession" to using Meth. The Royal Poseur award goes to Navratilova, who compared Agassi to Roger Clemens. Well.

I was a Navratilova fan when it wasn't in vogue, when she played the role of the villain opposite the people's hero, Chris Evert. I could care less that she is gay, and I felt for her given her tortured career. I admired her work ethic and intellect.

No more.

It wasn't just the Agassi comment. She's been chipping away at respectability for a while now. Now she's put the nail in it.

Observe:

1) the details revealed of her private life don't reveal a giving considerate person, she apparently discarded her last partner like trash

2) in recent years, observing her combative commentary on the air, it's really grated on me. It's not that she's not entitled to her opinion, it's just that she's frequently dismissive of her broadcast partners (maybe like her private life partners)

3) now, the Agassi comment

Out of left field. Makes you wonder what kind of relationship was there beforehand that she so quickly took the opportunity to pounce.

Comparing Agassi to Clemens ? Lets see, she fails the intellect test there.
Clemens was a starting pitcher when he took performance enhancing drugs, and that is alleged. Agassi ? Out of the top 100, the drug he took wouldn't help him crush any backhands, far from it. I wonder if Agassi's religious beliefs are what is at the heart of this attack.

I'm done with Navratilova. She's an aging, self-absorbed poseur

ksbh
11-06-2009, 01:17 PM
It's easy to lose respect for Agassi after the gibberish he spouted against Sampras but he's only doing what every sensible author will do for a new book ... promote it sensationally!

Can you fault Agassi for that? Money talks!

I just hope Agassi has called Sampras out in his book for his Federer-ars*e-shining ways!

TennisFan008
11-07-2009, 03:31 PM
However, Fuentes talking about "tennis players" is still not proof that it's Nadal. esp. not given the fact that - again - both the Spanish authorities and independent organisations have declared at the time when some article published it that Nadal did not feature on that list.

Independent organisations have not seen "the list", apart from the 32 cyclists that were named by the spanish authorities, most of whom were later exonerated. WADA and the IOC have criticised Spain for their lack of transparency on the matter.

TheTruth
11-09-2009, 12:59 AM
Asthma is one of the lamest excuses in pro sports today.

In swimming between 60 and 70% of the athlets claim to have asthma.
It's been like that for many years, I read somehwere that in the olympic wintergames of 1994 70% of all athletes claimed to suffer from asthma (which includes curlers).

Some asthma medicines are known to improve the endurance, some of them contain various substances otherwise used as PEDs (helpful to explain positive tests and reduce bans).

Asthma is an excuse? And lame? OK.

sureshs
11-09-2009, 05:36 AM
I'm done with Navratilova. She's an aging, self-absorbed poseur

Agreed. Martina's contributions are over. She is now just resting on her laurels and talking down to people. Billie Jean King has become a corporation by herself. Shows that everyone has their plus and minus points.