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m.dubya24
10-30-2009, 06:55 PM
great strokes and really nice serve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIgs4qQNvo

TennisVet
10-30-2009, 09:03 PM
he is good. i would say at least 5.0-5.5. hes pretty close to being pro

Gee Willikers Batman!
10-30-2009, 09:29 PM
The only thing that bothers me is the fact that he uses a KFactor TEAM! One of the lightest rackets out, and he looks relatively strong.

SFrazeur
10-30-2009, 09:35 PM
The only thing that bothers me is the fact that he uses a KFactor TEAM! One of the lightest rackets out, and he looks relatively strong.

It's a 10.9/11.0oz strung racquet. That's mid-range weight. Hardly one of the lightest racquet out there.

-SF

USERNAME
10-30-2009, 09:35 PM
The only thing that bothers me is the fact that he uses a KFactor TEAM! One of the lightest rackets out, and he looks relatively strong.

That thing is probably leaded up to the max. Its a great platform for customizing, friend of mine leaded his up to 12.5oz and about 5pts hl, that setup with BB rough is a great combo!

SFrazeur
10-30-2009, 09:39 PM
That thing is probably leaded up to the max. Its a great platform for customizing, friend of mine leaded his up to 12.5oz and about 5pts hl, that setup with BB rough is a great combo!

The 6.1 Team and Tour 95 series really are undervalued as great platform racquets.

-SF

Gee Willikers Batman!
10-30-2009, 09:43 PM
It's not leaded, he says in the comments his is @ 290g.. And I think it's EXTREMELY light considering I use the K90 and have used the KPS 88

SFrazeur
10-30-2009, 09:46 PM
It's not leaded, he says in the comments his is @ 290g.. And I think it's EXTREMELY light considering I use the K90 and have used the KPS 88

But that's a comparative statement and not a factual one as you portrayed originally.

-SF

tennis_balla
10-30-2009, 10:35 PM
I wouldn't really call neither of them 'solid' but that depends on what you're comparing it to. If you're comparing them to club players then yes they are solid, if you wanna compare them to other competitive players, ITF Futures players and so on then that's different.

From either two there weren't many big solid points when they were serving, which is what should be judged the most. Ever player at their level can hit balls back and forth numerous times with pace when they were just practicing, that's a given or at least should be. Not sure if anyone else picked up on this but the guy on the far side had a tough time matching up his game to the speed of the court, the guy in orange obviously has more power but not something the other guy shouldn't be able to handle. The guy from the far side his balls sat up way too much, didn't have much depth and deserved to be punished which of course made his opponent look good but even with that the guy in the orange shirt made some brain dead low percentage shots.
If you watch from 8:30 onwards you can see how his opponent is hitting his groundies too shallow and getting attacked every time, on a hard court that is that fast that's a death sentence. Far off from being pro for both of them though for now.

Frankauc
10-30-2009, 10:41 PM
7.0 really good

ximian
10-30-2009, 11:24 PM
7.0 really good

7.0? What's going on with this board? This guy is nowhere near 7.0.
5.0, maybe.

tennis_pr0
10-30-2009, 11:41 PM
Ximian, most people don't understand what anything above a 5.0 really is....He is a solid player, I would say 5.5ish.

ryangoring
10-31-2009, 04:12 AM
This guy is very solid all around, 5.5.
His foot work is amazing, timing is perfect.Solid strokes all around volleys, forehand, serves, 1HBH.......is great but it looks like he shorts his follow thru on that side, which I would love to see him extend it fully. But it works for him and it is dangerously good!!!
This is a great find of a video to watch.
Be on the look out for him.

beedlejuice22
10-31-2009, 05:10 AM
It looks to me like he's using a whole lot of arm on his shots and not a lot of his body

skyzoo
10-31-2009, 07:07 AM
he is good. i would say at least 5.0-5.5. hes pretty close to being pro
hahaha not close to being pro. I've seen so many players at this level. Sure he's good, maybe even around the area of great, but not going pro anytime soon.

zambo
10-31-2009, 07:16 AM
It looks to me like he's using a whole lot of arm on his shots and not a lot of his body

Exactly, a poster above said his footwork is solid...I don't agree.

aphex
10-31-2009, 07:52 AM
he is good. i would say at least 5.0-5.5. hes pretty close to being pro

are you saying he's as good as jo11y?

i don't think so...

borg number one
10-31-2009, 07:57 AM
How is his tournament record? A video of someone hitting against someone else tells you very little about player potential. Tennis ability is all relative. I'm not sure that this player is pro potential.

aphex
10-31-2009, 07:57 AM
wtf is wrong with this board?

i remember the threads where tonlars was 4.0 but jolly was 5.5...

basically, most you are plain clueless.

this guy is definitely 1st round futures material (which makes him 6.0+)

Mikael
10-31-2009, 08:15 AM
His opponent isn' as good as him, giving plenty of weak balls and not being able to take the initiative. Still, credit to him for making a lot of winners/forcing shots on that video. Agree with the poster above that he could win a match or two in futures qualifying, might even make it to the main draw in some countries.

ryangoring
10-31-2009, 09:09 AM
Who the he11 is jo11y?!??!?!

ms87
10-31-2009, 09:37 AM
are you saying he's as good as jo11y?

i don't think so...

haha, jolly is an awful player who would have trouble winning consistently at the 3.5 level. this guy is literally leagues better.

skyzoo
10-31-2009, 09:39 AM
haha, jolly is an awful player who would have trouble winning consistently at the 3.5 level. this guy is literally leagues better.
Wrong, Jo11y is a 5.5+. This kid would have no chance at all.

aphex
10-31-2009, 09:40 AM
haha, jolly is an awful player who would have trouble winning consistently at the 3.5 level. this guy is literally leagues better.

hello! i was being sarcastic:)

this guy would take jolly 6/0, 6/0, 6/0, 6/0, 6/0, 6/0, 6/0, 6/0, 6/0, 6/0..etc

jrod
10-31-2009, 09:42 AM
Wow, really solid player. Great movement, footwork, solid stroke mechanics, great placement and shot selection. I think I counted maybe 3 slice BH's in total? I'd say solid 5.5 player.

Blake0
10-31-2009, 09:43 AM
He's a good player and all, but i don't see him as a 7.0..more like a 5.5 to a low 6.0.

aphex
10-31-2009, 09:44 AM
Wow, really solid player. Great movement, footwork, solid stroke mechanics, great placement and shot selection. I think I counted maybe 3 slice BH's in total? I'd say solid 5.5 player.

a kid i used to train next to, and at the moment has 2 atp points, is just slightly better than him...
he's better than 5.5


edit: just checked and the kid has got up to 5 points...

skyzoo
10-31-2009, 09:45 AM
hello! i was being sarcastic:)

this guy would take jolly 6/0, 6/0, 6/0, 6/0, 6/0, 6/0, 6/0, 6/0, 6/0, 6/0..etc
JO for ever.....

goober
10-31-2009, 09:54 AM
How is his tournament record? A video of someone hitting against someone else tells you very little about player potential. Tennis ability is all relative. I'm not sure that this player is pro potential.

The guys is 22 years old from France. He has played in one ITF event and lost in the first round of qualifying for a futures event several years ago. Not sure what he is doing now.


He is no where close to being pro. Probably in the 5.0-5.5 range.

yonexxx
10-31-2009, 11:59 AM
Who the he11 is jo11y?!??!?!

some guy who uses a racquet thats almost one pound :)

(hes a beast)

dr325i
10-31-2009, 12:04 PM
7.0? What's going on with this board? This guy is nowhere near 7.0.
5.0, maybe.

Maybe???
Definitely at least 5.5

ms87
10-31-2009, 12:15 PM
some guy who uses a racquet thats almost one pound :)

(hes a beast)

wow, he must be a really great player. :rolleyes:

if you watch the video he posted of himself hitting, you will cringe at his bad form and total lack of consistency. jolly is a 3.5 player on a good day.

2ndServe
10-31-2009, 01:33 PM
From what it looks he is way better than 5.5 but I only watched 30 secs if that

VaBeachTennis
10-31-2009, 02:40 PM
Wow, I would like to see some tennis videos of the people playing who are criticizing this guy and Jolly. :)

This guy has excellent well "mapped out" footwork in my opinion and some very nice strokes. His 1hbh may look a little tight, but I bet he would bagel many of the people criticizing him here.

What does Jolly even have to do with this thread. Those attacks on him in this thread seem pretty malicious and childish. Maybe we can get video of a match or matches between Jolly and some of the people criticizing him here. That would be fun!!

skyzoo
10-31-2009, 03:04 PM
are you high? jolly sucks.
hahaha you're serious too. wow bro, get with it.

goober
10-31-2009, 03:07 PM
Wow, I would like to see some tennis videos of the people playing who are criticizing this guy and Jolly. :)

This guy has excellent well "mapped out" footwork in my opinion and some very nice strokes. His 1hbh may look a little tight, but I bet he would bagel many of the people criticizing him here.

What does Jolly even have to do with this thread. Those attacks on him in this thread seem pretty malicious and childish. Maybe we can get video of a match or matches between Jolly and some of the people criticizing him here. That would be fun!!

Actually if you read through the threads the comments regarding the guy in the vid are almost all positive (that is unless you consider calling somebody a 5.0-6.0+ negative). One guy said he armed the ball and some people including myself said he was not 7.0 or a pro and that was based on his ITF record (or actually lack thereof). I don't consider that a negative comment just statement of fact. All the negative comments were about Jo11y.

tennis_balla
10-31-2009, 03:22 PM
Not sure where all the j0lly stuff came out of either, pretty off topic.

I did criticize both guys in the video but more on what I saw as their mistakes. Solid players, yes. Solid for the tour....not quite.

...but anyways, I'll man up and post 2 videos of myself and see if the rest of the 'criticizers' follow suit.
I don't have anything more recent then these 2 videos as I've been coaching a lot (have been even before the videos was taken) and don't have time to video myself. First one is me hitting a few with my dad, who was 60 at the time, back in 2005 and the second video if me hitting a few serves back in '06.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLaqKkOYzmo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2m5lIth0Sk

VaBeachTennis
10-31-2009, 03:27 PM
Actually if you read through the threads the comments regarding the guy in the vid are almost all positive (that is unless you consider calling somebody a 5.0-6.0+ negative). One guy said he armed the ball and some people including myself said he was not 7.0 or a pro and that was based on his ITF record (or actually lack thereof). I don't consider that a negative comment just statement of fact. All the negative comments were about Jo11y.

I wasn't referring to your post about the guy.

Cup8489
10-31-2009, 03:40 PM
Not sure where all the j0lly stuff came out of either, pretty off topic.

I did criticize both guys in the video but more on what I saw as their mistakes. Solid players, yes. Solid for the tour....not quite.

...but anyways, I'll man up and post 2 videos of myself and see if the rest of the 'criticizers' follow suit.
I don't have anything more recent then these 2 videos as I've been coaching a lot (have been even before the videos was taken) and don't have time to video myself. First one is me hitting a few with my dad, who was 60 at the time, back in 2005 and the second video if me hitting a few serves back in '06.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLaqKkOYzmo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2m5lIth0Sk

who, may i ask, is your avatar?

tennis_balla
10-31-2009, 03:45 PM
David Gilmour - Pink Floyd

nfor304
10-31-2009, 09:16 PM
looks like a div 1 college player

krz
10-31-2009, 09:33 PM
lol I've been away for a while does that jo11y guy post on here anymore? I remember he was the dude who claimed he was a 6.0 because he played in open tournaments and brag about how he needs 19 ncode 6.1's... the worst part people actually started to believe he was a 6.0.

ms87
10-31-2009, 09:50 PM
lol I've been away for a while does that jo11y guy post on here anymore? I remember he was the dude who claimed he was a 6.0 because he played in open tournaments and brag about how he needs 19 ncode 6.1's... the worst part people actually started to believe he was a 6.0.

and then he posted a video and I literally CRINGE watching it (especially the highspeed/slowmotion one, where every stroke is like a slow motion trainwreck)

ubermeyer
10-31-2009, 10:15 PM
5.5 of course

Cloud Atlas
11-01-2009, 04:26 AM
5.5 of course

It amuses me no end when people make these statements. This guy might have great looking shots/technique and never land a ball in the court. Or he might fall apart as soon as he has to hit two forehands in a row in a point. I honestly don't think we can tell anything about his rating from this video. We can't even see where his shots are landing!!!!.....of course.

jrod
11-01-2009, 05:03 AM
It amuses me no end when people make these statements. This guy might have great looking shots/technique and never land a ball in the court. Or he might fall apart as soon as he has to hit two forehands in a row in a point. I honestly don't think we can tell anything about his rating from this video. We can't even see where his shots are landing!!!!.....of course.


I'm not sure what video you are refering to but the one of Matt Troung the OP put up shows a number of camera angles with some clearly showing where his shots are landing. Now, while I agree it's difficult to state exactly what level this guy is just by looking at the video, one can easily assess what he is not.

His technique, footwork, strokes, placement, shot selection and consistency all provide convincing evidence this guy is capable. Need to see his match record to confirm but I'd be really surprised if he was rated lower than a 5.0 or higher than 6.0.

skyzoo
11-01-2009, 05:07 AM
lol I've been away for a while does that jo11y guy post on here anymore? I remember he was the dude who claimed he was a 6.0 because he played in open tournaments and brag about how he needs 19 ncode 6.1's... the worst part people actually started to believe he was a 6.0.
23 k(90)'s weighted up to about 15 ounces.

Ambivalent
11-01-2009, 11:43 AM
It's not leaded, he says in the comments his is @ 290g.. And I think it's EXTREMELY light considering I use the K90 and have used the KPS 88

You're using the heaviest production stock racquets, and either don't realize or don't care that they don't suit a tweener like you at all.

Cup8489
11-01-2009, 08:57 PM
You're using the heaviest production stock racquets, and either don't realize or don't care that they don't suit a tweener like you at all.

was that necessary? he just said they were extremely light compared to the k90/kps88.

that's what we generally call a 'statement of fact'

ubermeyer
11-01-2009, 09:43 PM
We can't even see where his shots are landing!!!!.....of course.

did you even watch the video? His shots were clearly in.

Drago
11-06-2009, 12:16 PM
Exactly, a poster above said his footwork is solid...I don't agree.

What do you mean about his footwork, can you be more concrete ?
In my opinion this guy is extremely good with his foots, he is like dancing with very good timing. I can see a repeated foot pattern on every shot, he always approach every ball with the same steps.

It looks to me like he's using a whole lot of arm on his shots and not a lot of his body

It is exactly the opposite, I can see in the movie that the guy makes a step forward on every shot he makes which gives a power from the body, and his arm is quite relaxing. This style of play is energy consuming and I don't think that the pros use it, but that is exactly what I was taught.