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dincuss
10-31-2009, 09:38 AM
If Djoko played in Sampras's time would he be better than Sampras?

Cantankersore
10-31-2009, 09:39 AM
No, but he'd do alright in the weak era.

President
10-31-2009, 09:42 AM
He wouldn't be better than Sampras, but I think he would rack up 4-5 slams at least. He is much better and infinitely more talented than Kafelnikov and he won 2 slams. I can see him being like Courier, but more of a threat on all surfaces.

The unreal domination by Federer and Nadal has stopped him from getting more than 1 slam in the current era, but we should remember that he still has many years left. I feel sure he will win more slams in the future. People shouldn't call him a 1 slam wonder.

TMF
10-31-2009, 09:43 AM
If Djoko played in Sampras's time would he be better than Sampras?

No, but he would have a better chance at winning slam.

svijk
10-31-2009, 09:46 AM
If Djoko played in Sampras's time would he be better than Sampras?

hahahahahahaha!!!

dincuss
10-31-2009, 09:47 AM
The unreal domination by Federer and Nadal has stopped him from getting more than 1 slam in the current era

Thats exactly why I asked :D

zambo
10-31-2009, 09:49 AM
Djokovic has shown time and again that he hates playing against S&V'rs. He would struggle considerably more in that era. Also, the field was stronger than what it is currently.

President
10-31-2009, 09:51 AM
Djokovic has shown time and again that he hates playing against S&V'rs. He would struggle considerably more in that era. Also, the field was stronger than what it is currently.

He lost to Haas twice when he was going through a bad period. That's it.

I don't think that's evidence that he consistently struggles against S&V.

dincuss
10-31-2009, 09:54 AM
hahahahahahaha!!!

I dont get whats funny, seeing as I didnt take a side on the issue....

GoaLaSSo
10-31-2009, 09:55 AM
no but i think it would be a great match

TMF
10-31-2009, 09:59 AM
Djokovic has shown time and again that he hates playing against S&V'rs. He would struggle considerably more in that era. Also, the field was stronger than what it is currently.

Of course, how can Petards believe otherwise.

zambo
10-31-2009, 10:07 AM
Petards

How nice of you. :oops:

Cantankersore
10-31-2009, 10:10 AM
How nice of you. :oops:

Hoisted with his own Petard...

zambo
10-31-2009, 10:14 AM
Hoisted with his own Petard...

Wonder which pet he was referring to...

IvanAndreevich
10-31-2009, 11:20 AM
He would have a good chance at AO, USO, and FO.

FlamEnemY
11-01-2009, 01:05 AM
^^ True IMO, with a slightly better chance at AO and FO. But USO seems to be his favourite slam, so...

morten
11-01-2009, 01:56 AM
to me Kafelnikov rates and plays better than Djoko, more complete... the weak era is now ;)

Arailic
11-01-2009, 04:46 AM
I think he would have done alright. That was also the era of the druggies Agassi like. Novak does not even consume Coca Cola...........

darthpwner
11-01-2009, 06:06 AM
Sampras would still own Wimbledon and the US Open. Djoker''s only chance of winning would be Australia and the French

President of Serve/Volley
11-01-2009, 07:06 AM
He wouldn't take a set off of Pete Sampras.

pc1
11-01-2009, 07:16 AM
Djokovic is still very young and you would expect him, because of his excellent talent to win some more majors in this era.

In Sampras' era in the 1990's you would also expect him to do well and I would think, assuming no injuries that he would have won perhaps the Australian and some other majors.

It would have been fun to see Djokovic play some of the terrific players of the 1990's like Agassi, Goran, Chang, Becker, Edberg, Courier, Rafter etc.

JoshDragon
11-01-2009, 08:26 AM
I think Djokovic might have actually done better in Pete's time. He probably would have won the French Open multiple times, since the clay court field was weaker back then. He might have been able to win the US Open or the Australian Open once or twice and maybe even Wimbledon if it was before 1993.

TMF
11-01-2009, 08:27 AM
Sampras would still own Wimbledon and the US Open. Djoker''s only chance of winning would be Australia and the French

SW19 yes, but owning him at the USO? Nole CAN beat pete on hardcourt b/c he's better than some other players who gave him fit in the 90s and early 00s.

prosealster
11-01-2009, 04:18 PM
No, but he'd do alright in the weak era.

agree................

ubermeyer
11-01-2009, 04:20 PM
Yes.

Ten characters.

President of Serve/Volley
11-01-2009, 04:22 PM
I think Djokovic might have actually done better in Pete's time. He probably would have won the French Open multiple times, since the clay court field was weaker back then. He might have been able to win the US Open or the Australian Open once or twice and maybe even Wimbledon if it was before 1993.



Jim Courier, Thomas Muster, Gaga, Michael Stich, Andre Agassi who won the except for Stich. are all better than Nole on clay.

Weak Era???

Cantankersore
11-01-2009, 04:32 PM
Just because Rafael Nadal wins pretty much everything on clay doesn't mean his competition is bad.

Bjorkman & Johnny Mac
11-01-2009, 04:51 PM
Great to read all this nonsense about Djoker playing in a stronger era. Djoker better than Sampras. LOL. GOod stuff.. Djoker cant even beat Tommy Haas on grass. So is Djoker going to beat Sampras at wimbeldon when he cant even get by Safin or Haas? Djoker has had plenty of chances to win slams.. So lets no play the "Fed card". Djoker lost to Fed at the USO. Outside of that slam what slam has Fed beat Djoker at? Djoker lost to ROddick, Kohlschreiber, and Haas at the slams this year. Are these guys unreal talents? So what makes people think Djoker would have more slams in the 90s? He cant even beat players who are barely even top 10-20 material today outside of Roddick.

Cantankersore
11-01-2009, 04:54 PM
Djoker better than Sampras. :) LOL. GOod stuff.. Djoker cant even beat Tommy Haas on grass.

Not at all what I was saying. But he clearly isn't going to get triple-bagelled. Depending on the day, he could certainly put up a good fight on hardcourt though.

Bjorkman & Johnny Mac
11-01-2009, 05:00 PM
Not at all what I was saying. But he clearly isn't going to get triple-bagelled. Depending on the day, he could certainly put up a good fight on hardcourt though.

Of course he isnt going to get triple bageled. I could see Djoker winning some Australian Opens.. Thats about it to be honest. Djoker is a hell of a clay courter but there were even better in the 90s on clay than Djoker. Wimbeldon forget about it. He cant even handle Tommy Haas. USO perhaps depending if he reached some insane level of tennis. But I could see a few players taking him out there. Rafter at his peak possibly, Agassi for sure, Sampras for sure.. A few others. here and there Better than Sampras no way. Djoker is a well know headcase who cant seem to handle the pressure of big matches and the pressure of being on top, Sampras easily disposed of players like that as does Roger. When I look at Djoker I see alot of talent, some it perhaps more untapped, but then I see how mentally weak he is.. And thats just not a good combination. Djoker is alot like Agassi during what were supposed to be his peak years. 1994-1995 like but on a much lesser scale. Though not as good as Andre of course.

2 slams for Djoker possibly in the 90s.. 3 slams at the very most. Quite a few players who could destroy Djoker at Wimbeldon as there was a more solid grass court field then. You have a handful of guys who could take him on clay though Djoker could hold his own I think. USO- Guys like Andre and Pete could take DJoker out. I think his bet opportunities would be the australian.


I think if Djoker had the mental confidence and fitness level (no breathing problems) he would be a big time player in any era. He has alot of talent but his mental game never has managed his physical game unfortunately for him

Steve132
11-01-2009, 06:01 PM
He wouldn't take a set off of Pete Sampras.

Do you really believe that Djokovic ia a worse player than Yzaga, Schaller, Philippoussis, Norman, Korda, Kucera and Delgado, who all beat prime Sampras in majors?

35ft6
11-01-2009, 06:34 PM
Sampras would still own Wimbledon and the US Open. Djoker''s only chance of winning would be Australia and the FrenchOr maybe Novak would do to Sampras what Safin and Hewitt did. He's got the game.

JoshDragon
11-01-2009, 07:17 PM
Jim Courier, Thomas Muster, Gaga, Michael Stich, Andre Agassi who won the except for Stich. are all better than Nole on clay.

Weak Era???

Jim Courier had 3 good years in 91-93 after that he was a has-been. Guga was strong but he didn't dominate on clay until the 2000s. Andre, was erratic and didn't even win the French Open until 1999.

Muster, was good but not anywhere near as good as Nadal, and Djokovic has been able to bring Nadal to match point twice on clay, so most likely he would have been fine, had he played back in the 90s.

Cup8489
11-01-2009, 07:28 PM
Of course he isnt going to get triple bageled. I could see Djoker winning some Australian Opens.. Thats about it to be honest. Djoker is a hell of a clay courter but there were even better in the 90s on clay than Djoker. Wimbeldon forget about it. He cant even handle Tommy Haas. USO perhaps depending if he reached some insane level of tennis. But I could see a few players taking him out there. Rafter at his peak possibly, Agassi for sure, Sampras for sure.. A few others. here and there Better than Sampras no way. Djoker is a well know headcase who cant seem to handle the pressure of big matches and the pressure of being on top, Sampras easily disposed of players like that as does Roger. When I look at Djoker I see alot of talent, some it perhaps more untapped, but then I see how mentally weak he is.. And thats just not a good combination. Djoker is alot like Agassi during what were supposed to be his peak years. 1994-1995 like but on a much lesser scale. Though not as good as Andre of course.

2 slams for Djoker possibly in the 90s.. 3 slams at the very most. Quite a few players who could destroy Djoker at Wimbeldon as there was a more solid grass court field then. You have a handful of guys who could take him on clay though Djoker could hold his own I think. USO- Guys like Andre and Pete could take DJoker out. I think his bet opportunities would be the australian.


I think if Djoker had the mental confidence and fitness level (no breathing problems) he would be a big time player in any era. He has alot of talent but his mental game never has managed his physical game unfortunately for him


that ''insane'' level of tennis he reached in late '07, maybe you should watch some of his summer hardcourt matches then. he had set points on federer in both the first and second sets of the USO final, and lost that match mostly out of nerves.

federer won, but Djokovic was, on the whole, the better player for those first two sets. if he had already won a slam and was in that position, i fully expect he'd have beaten federer, possibly in 4 sets or even 3.

his serve, which we all know is his reliable weapon in that period, deserted him in the crucial moments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivfrbx_Uweo

watching that highlight vid, i also must say that the chase review gave federer the nod every time in the highlight reel, lol.
also watched the 2008 final highlights, and i gotta say that federer was maybe playing better last year there than the year before, he was taking SO many shots on the rise and placing them perfectly. im sure part of it was because murray just looked lost, but federer definitely found a groove last year during the final.

President of Serve/Volley
11-01-2009, 08:15 PM
Do you really believe that Djokovic ia a worse player than Yzaga, Schaller, Philippoussis, Norman, Korda, Kucera and Delgado, who all beat prime Sampras in majors?


Granted, you are right. But if people believe that Nole will beat Sampras on grass or super fast hardcourts, or carpet, I think that's a bit too much to ask.

Clay and AO are the only two that Nole would have a chance.

Steve132
11-01-2009, 10:10 PM
Granted, you are right. But if people believe that Nole will beat Sampras on grass or super fast hardcourts, or carpet, I think that's a bit too much to ask.

Clay and AO are the only two that Nole would have a chance.

Yzaga and Korda beat prime Sampras at the U.S. Open. Most people would consider Djokovic to be a better player on fast hard courts than either of the two.

abmk
11-02-2009, 02:39 AM
double post

abmk
11-02-2009, 02:39 AM
Some of you guys gotta be kidding me. Djokovic couldn't have won the USO in the 90s or beaten sampras on fast HC ? LOL !

darthpwner
11-02-2009, 05:50 AM
SW19 yes, but owning him at the USO? Nole CAN beat pete on hardcourt b/c he's better than some other players who gave him fit in the 90s and early 00s.

Or maybe Novak would do to Sampras what Safin and Hewitt did. He's got the game.

I know that Novak lost the last 3 US Opens to Federer in the F and 2 SFs, but you guys are seriously underrating Sampras. Like Lendl, he reached 8 finals, in Pete's case in 12 years, and won 5. Compared to anyone except Federer, that would be incredible. Also, if Djokovic was playing in 07 US Open form or 08 Australian Open form, then I'd give him a good chance against Pete. Now though his form has dropped off and I don't see him giving Pete problems at the moment on fast hard court. Fast surfaces amplify his weaknesses like his forehand which breaks down when he doesnt have time to set up and his weaker volleys.