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Kenny022593
11-03-2009, 11:26 AM
Hi i was wondering if you D3 players could give me an overview of what the skill level is like and what you had to do to make the team. This is not one of those am i good enoough threads i just want to know what were your rankings and skill levels when you made the team and how much competition there is.

Thank you for the information i hope that i can play D3 when i graduate but we will see :)

tennismom42
11-03-2009, 04:37 PM
Hi i was wondering if you D3 players could give me an overview of what the skill level is like and what you had to do to make the team. This is not one of those am i good enoough threads i just want to know what were your rankings and skill levels when you made the team and how much competition there is.

Thank you for the information i hope that i can play D3 when i graduate but we will see :)

have you done your free college search on collegeboard.com, yet? If not, I suggest it. Altogether, it will take you about 10 minutes.

When you get to the tab for "sports," there will be some wording for "advanced sports team search." I recall the words are underlined, but I don't remember what the exact words are. Click on it and chose D3 schools. Continue on with the search. As you go through the tabs, monitor the red number at the top of the screen. That's the number of schools you've narrowed yourself down to after each tab. So don't make your search too narrow. Once that red number is down to 20 to 30 colleges, stop filling out questions. (Either skip to finish the search or go back a few tabs open up your choices more.)

After answering the few questions, you'll have your IDEAL search list. If you do it this way, you'll go to a college that you LOVE + get to play tennis. Alternatively, many foolishly aim for the tennis in college and try to make a good fit out of the college. (Hint: doesn't work well.)

Almost everyone WRONGLY believes that D1 means the best players only; D2 = lesser quality and D3 = the lowest quality of tennis players. STOP making this assumption -- it is not true!

Each division has a wide variety of talent. D3 has no athletic scholarships. D1 has the most, high talent players. D3 has generous academic scholarships. D2 I can't figure out, other than they offer athletic scholarships. Those are the only safe assumptions I would make about the Divisions.

andfor
11-03-2009, 05:06 PM
..............Each division has a wide variety of talent. D3 has no athletic scholarships. D1 has the most, high talent players. D3 has generous academic scholarships. D2 I can't figure out, other than they offer athletic scholarships. Those are the only safe assumptions I would make about the Divisions.

As add'l information D2 has less stringent entrance requirements than D1. I don't have those details but they are outlined at NCAA.org. Not sure how the entrance requirements compare to D3 but D3 schools are generally considered strong to very strong academically. That said there are many fine D2 schools academically. D2 does not get the best of the U.S. based tennis talent due to their smaller size and prestige but often compensates with foreigners for strength. As far as strength of tennis is concerned their are some great teams in the Pacific West, Sunshine State and Gulf South conferences. Trust me many D1 programs avoid playing the better D2 teams. Over all as Tennismom42 says talent varys.

ClarkC
11-03-2009, 05:11 PM
Look at the tennisrecruiting.net page for D-III (http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/division.asp?id=3). Click on any conference and you can see who committed to that conference.

Kenny022593
11-03-2009, 07:58 PM
Tennismom i know that the talent does vary. But i have seen D1 player and i know that i will not be that high of a quality player. Thank you for telling me about the college board thing though!

tennismom42
11-03-2009, 08:54 PM
ClarkC i know that the talent does vary. But i have seen D1 player and i know that i will not be that high of a quality player. Thank you for telling me about the college board thing though!Kenny022593, just wait one dog-gone minute! I think you are under selling yourself for D1.

I just went and counted the number of 1 stars or non-stars that Committed to D1 schools. There were 73 in the class of 2009.

73 one-stars or no-stars committed to D1 schools!

This particular conference recruited ONLY 1 stars: http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/conference.asp?id=29

Some conferences are weighted heavily, some aren't. Again, it's not the tennis program that you should look at first, but rather the ENTIRE package that the college offers.

In my state, there's a D1 school that's surrounded by cow pastures. It smells in that town all the time. I know that there are some kids that would love to get onto a D1 team and could tolerate that stink. Would you? I would hope you couldn't even answer that because you don't know what else the college offers. See?

Kenny022593
11-03-2009, 09:17 PM
Kenny022593, just wait one dog-gone minute! I think you are under selling yourself for D1.

I just went and counted the number of 1 stars or non-stars that Committed to D1 schools. There were 73 in the class of 2009.

73 one-stars or no-stars committed to D1 schools!

This particular conference recruited ONLY 1 stars: http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/conference.asp?id=29

Some conferences are weighted heavily, some aren't. Again, it's not the tennis program that you should look at first, but rather the ENTIRE package that the college offers.

In my state, there's a D1 school that's surrounded by cow pastures. It smells in that town all the time. I know that there are some kids that would love to get onto a D1 team and could tolerate that stink. Would you? I would hope you couldn't even answer that because you don't know what else the college offers. See?

Thanks for the boost in self esteem tennismom. My self esteem got pretty low after watching some Bradley Klhan videos.

I am looking at school for the entire package too. I want to major in mathematics and i have looked at several schools (Bard, RPI, RIT, University of Rochester). Some more than others. My research isn't very good though, so my mom tells me.

Thank you for giving me a boost in confidence and giving me the information you did. Hopefully i can do this by myself since my mom has other things to worry about besides my tennis :)

Btw sorry for putting ClarkC in my above post. I was not thinking as i was typing

edberg505
11-04-2009, 03:47 AM
Kenny022593, just wait one dog-gone minute! I think you are under selling yourself for D1.

I just went and counted the number of 1 stars or non-stars that Committed to D1 schools. There were 73 in the class of 2009.

73 one-stars or no-stars committed to D1 schools!

This particular conference recruited ONLY 1 stars: http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/conference.asp?id=29

Some conferences are weighted heavily, some aren't. Again, it's not the tennis program that you should look at first, but rather the ENTIRE package that the college offers.

In my state, there's a D1 school that's surrounded by cow pastures. It smells in that town all the time. I know that there are some kids that would love to get onto a D1 team and could tolerate that stink. Would you? I would hope you couldn't even answer that because you don't know what else the college offers. See?

Tennismom42, take it from me. A fair amount of those schools don't have star recruits because they have players from other countries. I know that for a fact.

andfor
11-04-2009, 08:19 AM
Tennismom42, take it from me. A fair amount of those schools don't have star recruits because they have players from other countries. I know that for a fact.

......and for those who don't already know many schools do not report their recruit signings on Tennisrecuiting.net.

tennismom42
11-04-2009, 09:08 AM
Tennismom42, take it from me. A fair amount of those schools don't have star recruits because they have players from other countries. I know that for a fact.I am not sure what your point is. I looked at every conference & counted the 1 stars and non stars. I did not include or consider foreigners or anything above a 1 star. It was a simple count. Are you trying to say that the teams with foreigners are inferior teams? I don't think so!

jefferson
11-04-2009, 09:28 AM
There really is not a formula of what division you would fall into. I played DIII in upstate NY. We would beat DII schools regularly. Look at a school like Ryder NJ. They are DI and their talent level is pretty terrible for a DI. I am a high school coach now, 1 kid played #1 singles for 5 years and is now playing at Uconn as a walk on. Another played doubles and some singles and is playing at Ryder. Both DI schools but the Ryder kid would be lucky to get a game from the Uconn player. Or off of me, an over weight 33 year old!
Don t sell yourself short. Pick a school depending on your future goals and if they have a tennis team, regardless fo level, tryout!! You never know, good luck

ClarkC
11-04-2009, 03:22 PM
A one-star can indicate on tennisrecruiting.net that he is going to USC or Stanford or Virginia or anywhere else. It often comes as news to the coach at the school, who has never heard of the kid. The player might not even be planning on trying to walk on. He might be hoping to play club tennis, or might have decided to study hard and forget tennis, but he can still go on his own page at tennisrecruiting.net and indicate that he is going to a certain school.

A conference that is full of nothing but 1-star players probably does not offer tennis scholarships at all. The conference that was linked as an example is an HBCU (Historically Black Colleges and Universities) conference that is nominally Division I but I don't think they offer scholarships.

If you want to play at a certain school, don't just look at who is going there. Look at who is actually getting playing time and compare yourself to them to get a realistic feel for your prospects.

lilxjohnyy
11-04-2009, 05:37 PM
tennismom... im curious if you are aware of the level of play at Emory tennis. i know they are top of DIII and can probably beat some DI team... Is it very difficult to make that team? Walk on?

tennismom42
11-04-2009, 06:45 PM
tennismom... im curious if you are aware of the level of play at Emory tennis. i know they are top of DIII and can probably beat some DI team... Is it very difficult to make that team? Walk on?LOL, check my history & you'll see that I have.

Actually I know about the Emory team quite well. Typically I cite that team as an "extreme contradiction" against those that assume D3 consists of inferior players. We know one of the teammates quite well -- he's intelligent beyond belief + common sense, doesn't let tennis define him, solid A's in AP courses in HS, etc. Indeed, that D3 team could spank more than>50% of the D1 teams.

I just hate it when people default to the common path. We fell for the "D1 is best crap." Luckily my kid found a suitable school in it. I just don't want others to make that assumption. The road less traveled is always a good option too

lilxjohnyy
11-04-2009, 06:47 PM
well im applying ED to there based purely on academic and extracullar activities rather than for tennis... but im hoping to possibly walk on the team... i have relatives that go there and they know the # 1 and #2 singles quite well.

lilxjohnyy
11-04-2009, 06:52 PM
urgh... looking at your post, looks like i have slim or no chance of making the team... maybe i can be a practice guy....

tennismom42
11-04-2009, 06:53 PM
well im applying ED to there based purely on academic and extracullar activities rather than for tennis... but im hoping to possibly walk on the team... i have relatives that go there and they know the # 1 and #2 singles quite well.You seem very impressive, computer savvy, a Hall of Famer, someone who knows his way around research. Good luck

tennisjon
11-13-2009, 11:04 AM
I coach at the D3 level at Drew University in Madison, NJ. We have had many math majors on our teams. We also have had players of all different levels. We have had players that have come from on transferred to D1 programs over the years and the ability varies from state doubles champions to ranked players to players who were just on their JV teams. It all depends on the level of you and the school you play for. We have been conference champions for 9 straight years and play many school that are significantly worse and significantly better. Many D3 schools can beat lower D1 programs and many D2 programs as well. Its all a matter of matching yourself up. I would recommend looking at players of similar abilities and seeing where they play and what position. Match yourself to the school academically and socially. Also, do an overnight with the team. There is no better way to get to know the program and the school than that.

deddied
11-13-2009, 09:59 PM
Ok, cause im kinda wondering bout that question as well. since im in florida every team is very good. D1, D2, and D3 teams in florida are the top in their conference. But are there more weak teams in D2 than any other division? Thats wat it seems like to me.

deddied
11-13-2009, 10:34 PM
wait i didnt word that correct. Is the weakest division outta all the divisions (outside of naia, junior college, and any other i havent mentioned) D2??

jefferson
11-14-2009, 06:17 AM
DIII is the lowest level of college sports.

deddied
11-14-2009, 10:05 AM
not sure bout that cause according to tennisrecruiting, there r more players signing d3 than d2

andfor
11-14-2009, 11:09 AM
not sure bout that cause according to tennisrecruiting, there r more players signing d3 than d2

Not all coaches and recruits update tennisrecruiting.com.

papatenis
11-14-2009, 01:59 PM
If you have the passion for tennis, then I don't think any D3 coach would turn you down. D3 programs don't have the pressure to win compared to D1 and D2 programs. Most D3 programs carry 10-15 guys on the team. You shouldn't have any problems making the team as long as you show the coach that you are committed to the team.

JLyon
11-14-2009, 07:49 PM
Your Top 20 DIII Men's Teams Top 6 are all legitimate 4.5 and 5.0+ players. I officiated the SCAC Tournament this past Spring and Trinity, DePauw, Rhodes all had legitimate 4.5+ players and noen of those schools were Top 10 in the nation.

Toad
11-14-2009, 10:21 PM
If you have the passion for tennis, then I don't think any D3 coach would turn you down. D3 programs don't have the pressure to win compared to D1 and D2 programs. Most D3 programs carry 10-15 guys on the team. You shouldn't have any problems making the team as long as you show the coach that you are committed to the team.

Are you serious? I go to WashU, a DIII school with a team comparable to Emory. A few people I played with over the summer tried out for the team this year, and none of them made it. They were in the 4.0 to 4.5 range so not real surprising to me. They told me that there were about 15 people trying out for the 3 (I think) spots available. So, 12 people were turned down. The weakest person on the team is at least a very sold USTA 4.5...far from simply being committed to the team.

goran_ace
11-16-2009, 08:23 AM
Are you serious? I go to WashU, a DIII school with a team comparable to Emory. A few people I played with over the summer tried out for the team this year, and none of them made it. They were in the 4.0 to 4.5 range so not real surprising to me. They told me that there were about 15 people trying out for the 3 (I think) spots available. So, 12 people were turned down. The weakest person on the team is at least a very sold USTA 4.5...far from simply being committed to the team.

Were you on the 2008 team? If so, congrats!

Toad
11-16-2009, 09:55 AM
^ nah, I'm a grad student...was still finishing up my undergraduate degree at a different school that year. I wouldn't have made the team then anyways...would be lucky to make it on now. I stick to Club Tennis here.

Coach Carter
11-17-2009, 10:26 AM
If you have the passion for tennis, then I don't think any D3 coach would turn you down. D3 programs don't have the pressure to win compared to D1 and D2 programs. Most D3 programs carry 10-15 guys on the team. You shouldn't have any problems making the team as long as you show the coach that you are committed to the team.

no pressure...are you kidding me...

Coach Carter
11-17-2009, 10:31 AM
Your Top 20 DIII Men's Teams Top 6 are all legitimate 4.5 and 5.0+ players. I officiated the SCAC Tournament this past Spring and Trinity, DePauw, Rhodes all had legitimate 4.5+ players and noen of those schools were Top 10 in the nation.

cudos on this comment...my team was ranked 31 last year in D3 and my top 8 guys were easily 4.5 players -- it's easy for those that only see D3 from time to time or only in certain parts of the country to think it lowly...the quality is great much of the time and like at all levels it varies greatly. we have played D1 teams here that we literally could win every match 6-0, 6-0...and as talented as my kids have been, could have also turned and played D1's where we were beaten 6-0, 6-0 in every match.

the rich are rich and the poor are poor...wherever you go in life!

papatenis
11-17-2009, 11:24 AM
we have played D1 teams here that we literally could win every match 6-0, 6-0...and as talented as my kids have been, could have also turned and played D1's where we were beaten 6-0, 6-0 in NEARLY every match.

Come on coach, maybe your top two can win the bottom two of a DI team 0,0 but seriously DIII cannot compete with DI.
My post was to give this kid the hope that he could play college tennis.

Coach Carter
11-17-2009, 11:42 AM
Come on coach, maybe your top two can win the bottom two of a DI team 0,0 but seriously DIII cannot compete with DI.
My post was to give this kid the hope that he could play college tennis.

No doubt he could play college tennis...I guess you just don't realize the drastic differences from top teams to lower teams...that being said, I don't pretend that my team is a "top team".

CTennis11
11-17-2009, 12:51 PM
No doubt he could play college tennis...I guess you just don't realize the drastic differences from top teams to lower teams...that being said, I don't pretend that my team is a "top team".

Completely true...the top and bottom levels from D1-D3 is huge. I have no doubt if your team was ranked 31 in the nation that you could beat some D1 teams. So many people just get caught up in D1 vs. D3 that they never actually watch matches or look up the players on each team.

tennisjon
11-19-2009, 01:34 PM
There is a lot of overlap between the level. No doubt that the top D1 teams are way better than D2 or D3. The top D2 player maybe reaches top 500 in the world. The best D3 player in recent history is Eric Butorac who is top 30 in the world in doubles.

In terms of most teams, a D1 team will beat a D2 team, will beat a D3 team. I coach a ranked D3 team. There are several D1 teams that we could beat easily and there are many D3 teams that would beat every player on my team 6-0, 6-0. A few years ago, our #1 transferred to a D1 school, where he played 4. He was not that successful at the D3 level, but we played a pretty tough schedule. He goes to a low level D1 school now. We have had another player go to a D1 school and play 8. That's a much better school and he was a much better player. Neither D1 school would beat the top 10 D3 schools in the country, but could beat a top 20.

The point is, that there are different levels of play at each division.

35ft6
11-19-2009, 05:09 PM
I played D3 tennis. The top players in D3 could compete against the 4, 5, or 6 players of a lot of top 50 D-1 schools. I graduated in 2001, so maybe things have changed, but I was probably a 5.5 player my senior year and I could compete with just about any number 2 player in D3. I played Wash U's number 2 twice, had to stop once after he narrowly took the first set in a tie-breaker that I had a set point in, and lost to him in straight sets. But he beat Emory's number 2 easier than he beat me, and I think Emory was a top 3 school at the time.

I was no superstar and I probably won a lot of matches simply because I posed a weird match up for most people. Not sure how good you are but University of Rochester probably had some strong 4.5's to weak 5.0 at the bottom of their lineup. I played their number 2 one year and won by the very strange score of 4-6, 6-1, 6-1.

D3 is for people who don't care to go pro and want a good education. Many of the better teams are among the most highly regarded learning institutions in the country. Eric Butorac is the only D3 player I can think of who's competed successfully in the pros and that's in doubles. And he happens to have a good lefty serve. Otherwise, watching him play, besides his serve he always looks like the weakest player on the court IMO. So talent varies. It's conceivable that an awesome D1 level player will go to D3 because he wants the scholarship (D3 officially doesn't give out athletic scholarships but they have ways around that... wink wink), doesn't want his life to revolve around tennis, and wants to get into a good grad school. Because of this, you often see a huge gap between the number 1 and the rest of the team, even the number 2 guy. Some of the number 6's are arguably weak 4.5's, maybe even 4.0's.

If you're not going pro, why not D3? Or why not go someplace where they're very strong in the field you're interested in and are willing to give you the most economic help.

35ft6
11-19-2009, 05:19 PM
In terms of most teams, a D1 team will beat a D2 team, will beat a D3 team. I coach a ranked D3 team. There are several D1 teams that we could beat easily and there are many D3 teams that would beat every player on my team 6-0, 6-0. A few years ago, our #1 transferred to a D1 school, where he played 4.

The point is, that there are different levels of play at each division.Our team beat a few D-1 teams. Actually, 2 if I remember correctly. If we played a stronger D-1 team, we would lose but there would always be a surprisingly close match at one of the flights. I beat one D1 number 1 singles player, and almost double bageled a number 2 guy at another D1 school. Quality varies a lot. Tons of overlap between the different divisions. Just to to collegtennis dot com and see. A lot of D1, D2, and D3 teams will scrimmage against each other simply because of proximity.

Anyway, my school got a guy who played for University of Georgia the year they won NCAA. He was 7 or 8 in their lineup. He came to my school and became number 1 singles player nationally in D3. The very top D1 schools are just absolutely loaded from top to bottom, but there must be 300 or so D1 schools in the country and people would be surprised how weak some of them are.

Kenny022593
11-19-2009, 05:42 PM
Thanks for the advice. As of right now i am looking into schools still. My mom still wants me to stay in state so i don't know. You guys helped out alot :)

junbug
11-20-2009, 09:15 PM
george fox in newberg, OR is looking for some players for the upcoming tennis season. anyone who has been overlooked interested? you must be a strong 4.5 - 5.0 level player

pgreg
12-12-2009, 06:54 PM
I played for the #2 ranked DII school, and a lowly ranked DIII school. I assumed that the D1 level was out of my league. But after my college career, I have played many past and current major D1 players and have been surprised at how I stack up with them.

Many DIII players could play at some major D1 schools.

Dream_On
01-03-2010, 09:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67u-7RLyC6A

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10isRocs
01-03-2010, 10:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67u-7RLyC6A

I am sick of seeing videos of what may look like decent strokes but with no perspective of where the ball is actually landing. A player video should be shot from behind the player so you can actually see where the ball is landing...this is the only way you will know if a player has game...JMHO :-?

psYcon
01-03-2010, 11:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67u-7RLyC6A

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coolest home made tennis video I have ever seen.

dragon2o00
01-03-2010, 10:13 PM
i was a walk-on at case western, my freshman year. our roster, at the time, had great 1st and 2nd singles. our 3rd was a consistent guy but the rest were very average. i'd say 4.0 or so. that said, i was awful at the time (i was viewed as a developmental project) and was the last guy on the roster. i'd say i was probably a 3.5. i had a decent serve and forehand but only a slice for the backhand.

my understanding is, since that coach resigned, they've been working much harder so they're probably better. they actually recruit now and the coach was a guy on the ohio state team. i guess the team was sick of playing random schools and then getting owned first round of the UAAs.

Prostaffer
01-04-2010, 12:24 AM
I played for the #2 ranked DII school, and a lowly ranked DIII school. I assumed that the D1 level was out of my league. But after my college career, I have played many past and current major D1 players and have been surprised at how I stack up with them.

Many DIII players could play at some major D1 schools.

ditto. i played DIII, i'd say that the 1's and 2's are as good as any out there. then the drop off is more dramatic. obviously not as much depth. i taught with a friend who played dIII after transferring from a DI program. he simply didn't want to play and condition year round. wanted to focus more on his studies.

MC10S
01-18-2010, 11:58 AM
When I played D2/D3, our school had a wealth of talent. We, at one time on our campus, had the last 4 #1 players in the state, kids who were in the top 15 in the southern region, guys that were all offered d1 rides.

Not all of them played - a few transferred out and went d1. A few played a year or two. A few actually played all 4 years.

D3 can have a plethora of talent. Especially in areas where there are not many d1 opportunities. d3 and d2 are appealing fro a number of reasons. d3 schools are usually GREAT academic programs, and the student athletes money is not tied to his/her performance on the court.

Face it, college athletics is a job. If your scholarship money is academic, you study hard, if it is for sport, then sport is the priority, and some folks can't balance the sport and the school.


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