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VGP
11-03-2009, 03:52 PM
With the recent news, people have discussed sanctions against Agassi.

Investigations are possible, but one thing I haven't heard discussed is his consideration for the International Tennis Hall of Fame. He retired in '06 and he will be eligible for nomination in '11.

I've heard it discussed that Martina Hingis' positive drug test should not impede her induction into the IHOF, but her case is different. She never admitted to knowingly ingesting a banned substance.

Given the current controversy of Andre Agassi's admittance to ingesting a "class-two" banned substance which he claims to have taken over the course of a year while on tour, testing positive, and presenting a false letter to the investigating panel, I'm curious if this will have any impact on his consideration for the IHOF........

BigServer1
11-03-2009, 03:59 PM
He's a hall of famer no questions asked...If he's left out b/c of recreational drugs it will be a travesty.

VGP
11-03-2009, 04:06 PM
It's not the drug use, it's the lying to the investigating body that's the sticking point.

I think this is just rather untread territory for tennis......

GS
11-03-2009, 04:11 PM
Agassi's in. His "minor" drug use will mostly be forgotten when he's inducted.
Serena is in, as well, even though she should of been further fined and/or banned from Slams after her tirade at the US Open this year. (Hey, Tarango was fined $63,000 and banned from 2 Slams in '95---he never uttered a single swear word before he walked off that court at Wimbledon then.)

VGP
11-03-2009, 04:20 PM
Jeff Tarango was punished according to the rules. Not to mention his (now ex) wife slapped Bruno Rebeuh.....but I'm sure he's not gonna be up for nomination to the IHOF any time soon.

Serena's outburst was unsportsmanlike......both incidences were public outbursts.

Agassi private drug use was revealed in a positive drug test and he allegedly got away with it.....had he been punised according to the rules, he would have been suspended for 3 months. Looking back at his '97-'98 year it seemed he had done that too himself anyway, but I'm sure he would have had to deal with very unhappy sponsors, edgy tournament directors, and fan backlash in what was the middle of his career......

I'm just curious if the repercussions of Agassi's admittance will continue in a years time.

CCNM
11-03-2009, 04:23 PM
I'm sure he'll get in. But many of us will remember the drug news more than his accomplishments.:(

jamesblakefan#1
11-03-2009, 04:29 PM
Didn't McEnroe use steroids when he played? And his ex-wife came out and said he used cocaine and marijuana during his playing days. Certainly Agassi is NOT the first player to experiment w/ drug use, recreationally or otherwise.

VGP
11-03-2009, 04:38 PM
But was it against the rules back then?

GS
11-03-2009, 04:46 PM
Jeff Tarango was punished according to the rules. Not to mention his (now ex) wife slapped Bruno Rebeuh.....but I'm sure he's not gonna be up for nomination to the IHOF any time soon.

Serena's outburst was unsportsmanlike......both incidences were public outbursts.

Agassi private drug use was revealed in a positive drug test and he allegedly got away with it.....had he been punised according to the rules, he would have been suspended for 3 months. Looking back at his '97-'98 year it seemed he had done that too himself anyway, but I'm sure he would have had to deal with very unhappy sponsors, edgy tournament directors, and fan backlash in what was the middle of his career......

I'm just curious if the repercussions of Agassi's admittance will continue in a years time.

Please explain the rules to us---I'm sure we're all real curious.
Tarango simply argued with the ump after his over-rule, then told the crowd to shut up, then called the ump "corrupt", before walking off the court. Neither Tarango or his wife was charged with any penalties after her slap to the ump.
On the other hand, Serena smashed a racquet, and later, repeatedly swore at a linewomen in a sentence that ended with "kill you!"
Tarango's $63,000 fine and 2 Slam suspension seems pretty lop-sided compared to Serena's $10,500 total fine and no suspension, doesn't it?

VGP
11-03-2009, 05:03 PM
You don't have to be a smart-***.....

What I meant is that Jeff Tarango and Serena Williams were punished at the times of the incidences. Since they happened publicly, action was taken then and there

Tarango walked off the court before finishing the match and verbally abused the chair umpire.

Serena got a code violation for smashing a racket and verbally abusing a line judge that reported it to the chair umpire at their request. As far as I've read she never said she'd kill the lineswoman.....

Tarango not finishing a match should be penalized more. But if you're insinuating that Serena get more than what she got, I agree.

What I was trying to get was that Agassi got away with it because the investigating panel just took his word for it.....just seems now that he's "open"-ing up and getting talked about way after the fact.....past the statute of limitations where the rules no longer apply.

jamesblakefan#1
11-03-2009, 05:09 PM
The thing everyone's ignoring is this - IT WASN'T A PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG. Meth if anything hampers performance, and it came at a time where Agassi was doing nothing noteworthy tennis wise anyways.

jaggy
11-03-2009, 05:10 PM
Ive never really cared much about hall of fames, cant see that it matters all that much.

GS
11-03-2009, 05:14 PM
I'm not being a smart-***---I'm just trying to see justice served equally, because it wasn't. A friend of mine knows Tarango alittle---should I ask him to ask Tarango how he feels about all this?
If you have a chance to hear an uncensored replay of Serena's tirade, then let me know how many obscenities you hear, or the word "kill". I heard both.
Just let me ask you this---do you think the WTA and ITF didn't have the balls to further fine Serena and/or ban her, simply because she sells tickets?

Is it all because, like Cyndi Lauper once sang, "Money changes everything"?

svijk
11-03-2009, 05:15 PM
good point OP, but by 2011 all this will no longer matter. it would have been problem if Agassi won just a slam and had the reputation of a jerk but in the end his accomplishments will far outweigh

grafselesfan
11-03-2009, 05:16 PM
Still a no brainer. They arent going to put Noah and Novotna in the Hall of Fame, then leave Andre Agassi off since he did some meth.

VGP
11-03-2009, 05:27 PM
Just let me ask you this---do you think the WTA and ITF didn't have the balls to further fine Serena and/or ban her, simply because she sells tickets?

Hell yeah.

slice bh compliment
11-03-2009, 05:31 PM
Agassi and the IHOP. A very poignant thread.

Double A has always been a fan of the International House Of Pancakes, and also high-end Italian joints like Campagnola's in NY, but Taco Bell will always be his favorite restaurant.

Serendipitous
11-03-2009, 05:50 PM
Agassi and the IHOP. A very poignant thread.

Double A has always been a fan of the International House Of Pancakes, and also high-end Italian joints like Campagnola's in NY, but Taco Bell will always be his favorite restaurant.

Pancakes ??????? Yum,,,,, ????

pound cat
11-03-2009, 06:15 PM
Before Agassi put any of these revelations to print he consulted with a team of smart lawyers. It's passe, fini, finished...the statute of limitations has kicked in...the ITF has said this as well. Forget it, it's only salacious salacious reading for the gossip prone reader and threads on messageboards.


Ka ching ka ching..he .sold another 3,000 books in the time it took my to type this.

stapler
11-03-2009, 08:11 PM
Nalbandian serious contender for entering the IHOP

Dave M
11-04-2009, 12:38 AM
The thing everyone's ignoring is this - IT WASN'T A PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUG. Meth if anything hampers performance, and it came at a time where Agassi was doing nothing noteworthy tennis wise anyways.

Whilst that is true the rules are there to protect the sport and it's image for the sake of the tournaments/sponsors etc.
Lets not forget that performence enhancing or not it's illegal and sets a bad example to the people who looked up to him.

jimbo333
11-04-2009, 02:34 AM
Hall of Fame always makes me laugh, anyone can be in, even me, look:)

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-04-2009, 02:53 AM
With the recent news, people have discussed sanctions against Agassi.

Investigations are possible, but one thing I haven't heard discussed is his consideration for the International Tennis Hall of Fame. He retired in '06 and he will be eligible for nomination in '11.

I've heard it discussed that Martina Hingis' positive drug test should not impede her induction into the IHOF, but her case is different. She never admitted to knowingly ingesting a banned substance.

Given the current controversy of Andre Agassi's admittance to ingesting a "class-two" banned substance which he claims to have taken over the course of a year while on tour, testing positive, and presenting a false letter to the investigating panel, I'm curious if this will have any impact on his consideration for the IHOF........

Ridiculous!!! :evil::evil:
Tennis is still such a snobbery!
Lets compare shall we...If the NBA and NFL would not include players who had at some point in their lifes tested drugs---well, then there wouldnt be a single player in any of those HOF:s !! How about that?!?!

Gorecki
11-04-2009, 04:12 AM
Jeff Tarango was punished according to the rules. Not to mention his (now ex) wife slapped Bruno Rebeuh.....but I'm sure he's not gonna be up for nomination to the IHOF any time soon.

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Tarango was hardly a relevant achiever to be inducted to HOF.

but i see your point. lets ignore all that agassi brought to tennis just because of an incident in the lowest point of his carrer and join the judgemental bandwagon, because neither you, nor me or the thousands of posters here would do anything wrong now would we? we are all moral and flawless...

sureshs
11-04-2009, 04:14 AM
Investigations are possible, but one thing I haven't heard discussed is his consideration for the International Tennis Hall of Fame.

It was in the poll in my Agassi punishment thread

sureshs
11-04-2009, 04:15 AM
Nalbandian serious contender for entering the IHOP

Along with Serena

VGP
11-04-2009, 04:58 AM
Ridiculous!!! :evil::evil:
Tennis is still such a snobbery!
Lets compare shall we...If the NBA and NFL would not include players who had at some point in their lifes tested drugs---well, then there wouldnt be a single player in any of those HOF:s !! How about that?!?!

Yes, tennis does still have an air of snobbery. That's why I'm wondering if Agassi could still feel a backlash when he becomes eligible for nomination to the IHOF/IHOP. :)

Tarango was hardly a relevant achiever to be inducted to HOF.

but i see your point. lets ignore all that agassi brought to tennis just because of an incident in the lowest point of his carrer and join the judgemental bandwagon, because neither you, nor me or the thousands of posters here would do anything wrong now would we? we are all moral and flawless...

I'm not trying to be all "holier than thou" or anything.

I'm just wondering if it'll be a factor that might affect his nomination or enshrinement. (sorry suresh if I didn't see your poll)

I'm not surprised or even shocked that Agassi did methamphetamines. What I am surprised about is he saying that he lied when he tested positive. Making up a story and sending a signed letter and all......The drug use is not the real issue.

I am planning on reading his book, as I've read other tennis books by Tilden, McEnroe, Sampras..... I'm curious if there's more to the situation that he wrote about other than the tasty tidbit that's hit the press and these boards.

Speaking of Tilden......his enshrinement under the Master Player category was not affected by his indiscretions.

Gorecki
11-04-2009, 04:59 AM
Yes, tennis does still have an air of snobbery. That's why I'm wondering if Agassi could still feel a backlash when he becomes eligible for nomination to the IHOF/IHOP. :)



I'm not trying to be all "holier than thou" or anything.

I'm just wondering if it'll be a factor that might affect his nomination or enshrinement. (sorry suresh if I didn't see your poll)

I'm not surprised or even shocked that Agassi did methamphetamines. What I am surprised about is he saying that he lied when he tested positive. Making up a story and sending a signed letter and all......The drug use is not the real issue.

I am planning on reading his book, as I've read other tennis books by Tilden, McEnroe, Sampras..... I'm curious if there's more to the situation that he wrote about other than the tasty tidbit that's hit the press and these boards.

Speaking of Tilden......his enshrinement under the Master Player category was not affected by his indiscretions.

ok.

10 char

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-04-2009, 05:02 AM
Yes, tennis does still have an air of snobbery. That's why I'm wondering if Agassi could still feel a backlash when he becomes eligible for nomination to the IHOF/IHOP. :)


No he shouldnt, he should have no regrets at all and stand up straight listening to former greats praising him-as he deserves.

Moose Malloy
11-04-2009, 10:48 AM
Yes, tennis does still have an air of snobbery. That's why I'm wondering if Agassi could still feel a backlash when he becomes eligible for nomination to the IHOF/IHOP

Mats Wilander was suspended by the ATP for testing positive for coke in 1995, still got inducted in 2002.

I read an interview with Tony Trabert(director of the HOF) a while back, when asked about 'less accomplished' players(meaning one slam wonders) getting in he basically implied that it was necessary to have a somewhat well known name get in every year, because that ceremony was a major source of income for the HOF.

He also said that it was a pretty big deal when a big name got in(Sampras, Mac, etc) because of the money, & extra publicity it brought to the HOF.

You are making the mistake of viewing the Tennis Hall of Fame in the same light of the baseball & baseball Hall of Fame. Those HOF's really dwarf the tennis HOF in terms of revenue, etc. They are both so huge, it really doesn't matter if they go years without inducting anyone(you think not having a Pete Rose induction ceremony is hurting them in any way?), fans still flock to see the HOF every year. They can afford to have high standards, tennis HOF can't.

Tennis HOF is so incredibly small in every way (I wonder how many on this board have even journeyed to see it?) that it couldn't survive without inducting a big name every year.

And Agassi is arguably the biggest name if all. They really can't afford not to put him in. I would put the odds of him not getting in the first year he is eligible at 0%

sureshs
11-04-2009, 10:54 AM
It used to be the National Tennis HOF. Then it was expanded to include international players. It is a "brand," not a purist selection committee.

VGP
11-04-2009, 11:16 AM
Tennis HOF is so incredibly small in every way (I wonder how many on this board have even journeyed to see it?) that it couldn't survive without inducting a big name every year.

And Agassi is arguably the biggest name if all. They really can't afford not to put him in. I would put the odds of him not getting in the first year he is eligible at 0%

I'll agree with you there....

It is small.....but I liked it. It's a very unassuming place. It's on the second floor of the Newport Casino and it wraps around a beautiful show court. I was there during a down time and it's almost serene.

If the place needs names for revenue then Agassi will be enshrined. I'm curious who is on the "panel of the international tennis media" that votes on the nominees.