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TennisFan008
11-07-2009, 01:43 PM
"LA CERA NON RECHERCHEE A ROLAND GARROS

La CERA, EPO troisième génération, ne sera pas recherchée pendant Roland Garros. Selon la fédération internationale
de tennis (ITF), elle n'est pas utilisée dans ce sport. L'Agence française de lutte contre le dopage (AFLD) souhaitait
pourtant la rechercher durant la quinzaine parisienne. Pierre Bordry, président de l'AFLD, n'a pas souhaité commenté
cette décision. "La collaboration avec l'ITF est très claire et donne satisfaction" a-t-il tout de même déclaré.
Le contrôle positif l'été dernier de Bernhard Kohl à la CERA a poussé l'Autrichien à mettre fin à sa carrière ce lundi..."

http://services.poissonbouge.net/clients/fd83d351-ae4e-0616-115a01e928a6681e/docs/a15654fb-0cdd-4720-7b5fd3da1b22be1e.pdf

It basically says that the AFLD (french anti-doping agency) wanted to test for CERA at the Roland Garros this year, but the ITF would not allow it. How come? :-?

NamRanger
11-07-2009, 01:44 PM
"LA CERA NON RECHERCHEE A ROLAND GARROS

La CERA, EPO troisième génération, ne sera pas recherchée pendant Roland Garros. Selon la fédération internationale
de tennis (ITF), elle n'est pas utilisée dans ce sport. L'Agence française de lutte contre le dopage (AFLD) souhaitait
pourtant la rechercher durant la quinzaine parisienne. Pierre Bordry, président de l'AFLD, n'a pas souhaité commenté
cette décision. "La collaboration avec l'ITF est très claire et donne satisfaction" a-t-il tout de même déclaré.
Le contrôle positif l'été dernier de Bernhard Kohl à la CERA a poussé l'Autrichien à mettre fin à sa carrière ce lundi..."

http://services.poissonbouge.net/clients/fd83d351-ae4e-0616-115a01e928a6681e/docs/a15654fb-0cdd-4720-7b5fd3da1b22be1e.pdf

It basically says that the AFLD (french anti-doping agency) wanted to test for CERA at the Roland Garros this year, but the ITF would not allow it. How come? :-?



Because Nadal would have been caught.

settolove
11-07-2009, 02:10 PM
Because Nadal would have been caught.

Never mind Nadal. They'd have to ban three quarters of the top 150 players. :twisted:

edmondsm
11-07-2009, 02:44 PM
Sorry I don't read French. Do other agencies test for it?

Cantankersore
11-07-2009, 03:11 PM
Alright, here is a translation.

CERA to not be Tested For at Roland Garros

CERA, third generation EPO, will not be tested for during Roland Garros. According to the internation tennis federation (ITF), it is not used in the sport. The French anti-doping agency (AFLD) however wished to test for it during the the Paris fortnight. Pierre Bordry, president of the AFLD did not wish to comment on this decision. "The cooperation with the ITF is transparent and satisfactory" he nonetheless said in a statement. The positive CERA test results for Austrian Bernard Kohl pushed him to retire this Monday.

NamRanger
11-07-2009, 07:33 PM
Alright, here is a translation.

CERA to not be Tested For at Roland Garros

CERA, third generation EPO, will not be tested for during Roland Garros. According to the internation tennis federation (ITF), it is not used in the sport. The French anti-doping agency (AFLD) however wished to test for it during the the Paris fortnight. Pierre Bordry, president of the AFLD did not wish to comment on this decision. "The cooperation with the ITF is transparent and satisfactory" he nonetheless said in a statement. The positive CERA test results for Austrian Bernard Kohl pushed him to retire this Monday.




Interesting actually. This just further supports the theory that the ITF has incredibly weak testing procedures. They do not allow Roland Garros to test for a 3rd generation EPO just because they say no one uses it. Ridiculous logic IMO.

mdhubert
11-07-2009, 11:44 PM
Asking the question is answering to it...
With this kind of policy you can expect more heart attacks in the future IMO...

zagor
11-08-2009, 12:37 AM
Oh my,tennis has such tough dope testing procedures,no way star/top players could dope and get away with it and no way would they cover up for top players :rolleyes:.

LOL,yeah tennis is really a clean sport,I better not say as clean as what I think it is.

JennyS
11-08-2009, 05:20 AM
How do they know that tennis players aren't using it if they never test them for it. Since they don't test for it, I bet it's probably THE drug of choice right now for tennis players.

malakas
11-08-2009, 05:24 AM
wow how ridiculous a reason-they don't use it in tennis,so no testing neccesary.:rolleyes:

TheMusicLover
11-08-2009, 05:43 AM
wow how ridiculous a reason-they don't use it in tennis,so no testing neccesary.:rolleyes:

Major Logic Fail, indeed. You can bet it's the other way round: no testing, so let's all use it! ;)

Casey10s
11-08-2009, 06:31 AM
Bet there will be a big demand for CERA now since this article came out.

svijk
11-08-2009, 06:42 AM
what is CERA?

NamRanger
11-08-2009, 06:43 AM
Bet there will be a big demand for CERA now since this article came out.



Nadal must be scrambling for every bit he can get now :oops: expect Nadal to have invincible stamina in Paris.

TheMusicLover
11-08-2009, 06:48 AM
what is CERA?

Blood doping, third generation of EPO.

CMM
11-08-2009, 06:55 AM
Nadal must be scrambling for every bit he can get now :oops: expect Nadal to have invincible stamina in Paris.
Like Federer had this year? :shock:

feetofclay
11-08-2009, 11:10 AM
Nadal must be scrambling for every bit he can get now :oops: expect Nadal to have invincible stamina in Paris.

Along with Federer. He must have given it a miss during his lay-off. The commentators at Basel were saying that he looked tired and lacking in energy.

World Beater
11-08-2009, 11:14 AM
because the itf is a clown organization.

they should be testing for everything...

if federer is doing anything, hopefully he gets caught. doesnt matter if he is the all time gs leader.

same for nadal.

edmondsm
11-08-2009, 11:31 AM
IDK, would top tennis players really risk their health with this drug? Tennis is NOT an endurance sport, and EPO is dangerous, really bad for your heart. Not saying that they shouldn't test for it, I just don't think a drug like this would be a big problem in tennis.

Having said that, don't they test for old-school EPO? I don't get why they wouldn't test for CERA if they felt it necessary to test for the drug's predecessors.

Cantankersore
11-08-2009, 11:33 AM
Yeah, it doesn't really make sense. The only thing that would make sense are budget problems, but that is obviously stupid.

NamRanger
11-08-2009, 12:32 PM
IDK, would top tennis players really risk their health with this drug? Tennis is NOT an endurance sport, and EPO is dangerous, really bad for your heart. Not saying that they shouldn't test for it, I just don't think a drug like this would be a big problem in tennis.

Having said that, don't they test for old-school EPO? I don't get why they wouldn't test for CERA if they felt it necessary to test for the drug's predecessors.



EPO would help players train harder and get more stamina. It's not necessarily a huge advantage, but because it is so hard to detect it's a good drug to use.

coloskier
11-09-2009, 09:06 AM
IDK, would top tennis players really risk their health with this drug? Tennis is NOT an endurance sport, and EPO is dangerous, really bad for your heart. Not saying that they shouldn't test for it, I just don't think a drug like this would be a big problem in tennis.

Having said that, don't they test for old-school EPO? I don't get why they wouldn't test for CERA if they felt it necessary to test for the drug's predecessors.

If tennis was not an endurance sport, Nadal would never win. He wins because he outruns and outlasts his opponents as much as he wins due to his forehand. In fact, most pushers would never win, because they depend on outlasting an opponent. Same goes for most clay court specialists. Fatigue is more of a factor on clay than on any other surface. You don't hear much about non clay court specialists failing drug tests, because they rarely take "endurance enhancers". Most of the guys failing drug tests are clay court specialists.

drakulie
11-09-2009, 09:29 AM
Hmmmmm, even more evidence of what a joke the testing policy is.

BTW, Tennis is most definitely a "stamina sport" especially for a player like, Nadal and most clay-court specialist.

edmondsm
11-09-2009, 11:01 AM
If tennis was not an endurance sport, Nadal would never win. He wins because he outruns and outlasts his opponents as much as he wins due to his forehand. In fact, most pushers would never win, because they depend on outlasting an opponent. Same goes for most clay court specialists. Fatigue is more of a factor on clay than on any other surface. You don't hear much about non clay court specialists failing drug tests, because they rarely take "endurance enhancers". Most of the guys failing drug tests are clay court specialists.

I didn't say that there was no endurance aspect to tennis, but tennis is not an "endurance sport" like marathoning, cycling, etc. I stand by that. Point being, the risk vs. reward with EPO makes sense for an athlete in say cycling because an extra 1/10th of a percent of energy over a 6 hour race is the difference between 1st place and 50th place. But EPO thickens the blood, putting strain on the heart, and there have been several endurance athletes who have suffered heart-attacks at very young ages.

For a tennis player, extra endurance would be great, but it's not the sort of thing that's going to make a player's career. In the end, success in tennis is about many things, of which endurance is a very small part. So risking the long term health of your heart makes no sense. At least to me.

TennisFan008
11-10-2009, 12:15 PM
EPO is not dangerous, it's the abuse that is. It's also dangerous to drink ten liters of orange juice.

Hankenstein
11-11-2009, 01:13 AM
I didn't say that there was no endurance aspect to tennis, but tennis is not an "endurance sport" like marathoning, cycling, etc. I stand by that. Point being, the risk vs. reward with EPO makes sense for an athlete in say cycling because an extra 1/10th of a percent of energy over a 6 hour race is the difference between 1st place and 50th place. But EPO thickens the blood, putting strain on the heart, and there have been several endurance athletes who have suffered heart-attacks at very young ages.

For a tennis player, extra endurance would be great, but it's not the sort of thing that's going to make a player's career. In the end, success in tennis is about many things, of which endurance is a very small part. So risking the long term health of your heart makes no sense. At least to me.

I have to say the opposite. A journey-man on the ATP could earn good money with strongly improved fitness/stamina. I would go as far of saying that a dirtballer a k a claycourt specialist that have a solid baseline game and is ranked around the 500 mark would be able to break the top 100 with the positive effects of a doping with CERA. That extra edge is so vital in the top tennis. The difference between a guy ranked 100 or 600 is so small it´s amazing.

vandre
11-11-2009, 08:57 AM
CERA, third generation EPO, will not be tested for during Roland Garros. According to the internation tennis federation (ITF), it is not used in the sport.

how do they know it isn't used in the sport unless they actually test the players for it?

drakulie
11-11-2009, 09:03 AM
^^see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

NamRanger
11-11-2009, 07:30 PM
I didn't say that there was no endurance aspect to tennis, but tennis is not an "endurance sport" like marathoning, cycling, etc. I stand by that. Point being, the risk vs. reward with EPO makes sense for an athlete in say cycling because an extra 1/10th of a percent of energy over a 6 hour race is the difference between 1st place and 50th place. But EPO thickens the blood, putting strain on the heart, and there have been several endurance athletes who have suffered heart-attacks at very young ages.

For a tennis player, extra endurance would be great, but it's not the sort of thing that's going to make a player's career. In the end, success in tennis is about many things, of which endurance is a very small part. So risking the long term health of your heart makes no sense. At least to me.




Except the differences between certain tennis players is so minuscule that the EPO can indeed be the difference maker. We all like to joke about how Federer is like a god among men in the tennis world, but truth be told there's actually not THAT big of a difference between Federer and the 100th ranked player in the world.