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Sartorius
11-10-2009, 08:34 AM
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/tennis/simon-reed/article/443/

It was great to see Andy Murray make a winning comeback in Valencia and I still believe he is the best tennis player in the world, that's not to say he's going to win a Grand Slam.

To come back in Valencia and win after all that time out is amazing, but until he wins a Grand Slam you have to regard him as being on a lesser level than the likes of Federer and Nadal.

I don't think Federer is the player he was, Nadal is not the player he was. Djokovic seems to be coming back and there are others coming up, Cilic is one, but I think they are all pretty level and you can't pick a number one.

But if you press me to pick a number one, you look at who has been the most consistent outside of slams and it is Andy Murray.

He has won six times now, but for us to truly believe he needs to win a Slam; I am sure that will come.

Heading to London fresh will help him and it will help him next year for the Australian Open.

Right now if you ask me who is going to win in London I would have to say Murray. He is the favourite for me.

Federer is not playing well, for Djokovic to beat him in Basel is a great result for Djokovic and Nadal is not quite there either after all his problems.

I see Andy Murray as the favourite to win in London, but not in Australia. He has to prove he can win a Grand Slam first.

London will be a great occasion and Murray will go there being lightly raced and then on to Australia. Australia is his ideal surface and it is a great chance for him - but as I say, he needs to prove he can do it on the big occasion.

At least he's showing some consistency.

jazzyfunkybluesy
11-10-2009, 08:42 AM
Murray might be also Del Potro. I think they will both win a slam in 2010.

CocaCola
11-10-2009, 08:42 AM
I.d.i.o.t.

Cesc Fabregas
11-10-2009, 08:45 AM
LOL. Reed is a complete clown. I can't believe he's still in a job!

Chadwixx
11-10-2009, 08:49 AM
Someone from the uk praising murray? Wow, never seen that before

Feņa14
11-10-2009, 09:05 AM
Someone from the uk praising murray? Wow, never seen that before

That's quite lazy.

Have you seen Simon Reed's articles? They are usually always wrong, he's written ones practically claiming Verdasco is set to be the GOAT, is that no surprise either as he had a bit of paella a few years back? :rolleyes:

rk_sports
11-10-2009, 09:09 AM
Does the guy own or head yahoo/eurosport? :shock:

grafselesfan
11-10-2009, 09:10 AM
So Murray is the best player in the World yet he is not sure if he is even going to win a single slam?! That is incredibly poorly thought out and stupid sounding, even for his own low standards.

dropshot winner
11-10-2009, 09:11 AM
Murray could be #1 and the winner of 2 slams in 2010, he's way better than most shortsighted tennis fans give him credit at the moment, but Reed's just something else.

I'm still waiting for an explanation for his "Murray is the real #1"-article.

aphex
11-10-2009, 09:11 AM
That's quite lazy.

Have you seen Simon Reed's articles? They are usually always wrong, he's written ones practically claiming Verdasco is set to be the GOAT, is that no surprise either as he had a bit of paella a few years back? :rolleyes:

in fact he's been saying murray is "the true no.1" for about a year.

and then he gets buttsexed.

keep up the good work simon. everyone outside the uk hates murray.

thanks for the jinx.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-10-2009, 09:11 AM
LOL. Reed is a complete clown. I can't believe he's still in a job!
Is he British? It sounds as if he is.
With all due respect (i love England) this is sooo typical British tabloids/ journalism, its like when England wins 1-0 vs Egypt by scoring in the 89th minute and the tabloids has big fat headlines "We will win the World Cup" and stuff like that.
He doesnt give the Brits a fair wiew imo.

aphex
11-10-2009, 09:13 AM
Murray could be #1 and the winner of 2 slams in 2010, he's way better than most shortsighted tennis fans give him credit at the moment, but Reed's just something else.

I'm still waiting for an explanation for his "Murray is the real #1"-article.

i could be the winner of 54 slams in 2014. but nobody gives me enough credit...
crazy, i know...

aphex
11-10-2009, 09:15 AM
Is he British? It sounds as if he is.
With all due respect (i love England) this is sooo typical British tabloids/ journalism, its like when England wins 1-0 vs Egypt by scoring in the 89th minute and the tabloids has big fat headlines "We will win the World Cup" and stuff like that.
He doesnt give the Brits a fair wiew imo.

the sad thing is he's a pretty good commentator in live matches....
and he knows tennis...i think eurosport are paying him to write that garbage in order to create controversy...

dropshot winner
11-10-2009, 09:15 AM
i could be the winner of 54 slams in 2014. but nobody gives me enough credit...
crazy, i know...

No you couldn't.

Murray on the other hand will soon go from vastly underrated to vastly overhyped ("better than Federer and Nadal at their peak") when he starts the season by winning the AO.

aphex
11-10-2009, 09:18 AM
No you couldn't.

Murray on the other hand will soon go from vastly underrated to vastly overhyped ("better than Federer and Nadal at their peak") when he starts the season by winning the AO.

like in '09, right?...you are cluless-moppy murray will never win a slam.

Agassifan
11-10-2009, 09:18 AM
If some people claim that the guy with 6 slams is the true GOAT, then why not the guy with 0 slams to be the true No. 1

Augustus
11-10-2009, 09:19 AM
So Murray is the best player in the World yet he is not sure if he is even going to win a single slam?! That is incredibly poorly thought out and stupid sounding, even for his own low standards.

Second that. Reed's stupidity is reaching new heights. Murray didn't even play that well in Valencia...

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-10-2009, 09:19 AM
the sad thing is he's a pretty good commentator in live matches....
and he knows tennis...i think eurosport are paying him to write that garbage in order to create controversy...
He is?
Ive never had the possibility to listen o him, where is he working? Eurosport?
Thats very possible although his reputation will be really damaged imo.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-10-2009, 09:20 AM
No you couldn't.

Murray on the other hand will soon go from vastly underrated to vastly overhyped ("better than Federer and Nadal at their peak") when he starts the season by winning the AO.
Do you really believe in this? Or just trying to start a controversy? :)

dropshot winner
11-10-2009, 09:21 AM
like in '09, right?...you are cluless-moppy murray will never win a slam.

I NEVER hyped Murray or predicted him to win a slam this year, but I'm not blind when it comes to his talent and potential. He did underachieve big time this year in the slams, he'll do better next year.

I fear that the Murray-***** will be a pain in the *** when my prediction comes true.

aphex
11-10-2009, 09:22 AM
He is?
Ive never had the possibility to listen o him, where is he working? Eurosport?
Thats very possible although his reputation will be really damaged imo.

yep, eurosport...

Ripper014
11-10-2009, 09:23 AM
I will accept Murray as number 1 in the world when the rankings say he is... until then, I believe he is number 3... and number 1 and 2 have been around awhile.

Oops... make that number 4... seems Novak is ahead of him this week...

dropshot winner
11-10-2009, 09:23 AM
Do you really believe in this? Or just trying to start a controversy? :)

I don't know if he wins AO, Wimbledon or USO, but I'm pretty sure that he'll win one, maybe even two (if he starts by winning AO).

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-10-2009, 09:29 AM
I don't know if he wins AO, Wimbledon or USO, but I'm pretty sure that he'll win one, maybe even two (if he starts by winning AO).
Imo, AO-forget about it, the heat there has proven too much for him as we have seen before.
FO-No comment
Wimby- Here is his biggest chance imo, even if he doesnt play good the crazy Brits will carry him.
USO- I dont think so, if he runs into a player on fire he has no answer (Cilic ? )

5th Element
11-10-2009, 09:36 AM
I think what he means is that Murray is the best player in the world for a day or two when everyone else is playing at 70% to protect themselves prior to the London finals :)

I think Murray will underachieve in London.

dropshot winner
11-10-2009, 09:37 AM
Imo, AO-forget about it, the heat there has proven too much for him as we have seen before.
FO-No comment
Wimby- Here is his biggest chance imo, even if he doesnt play good the crazy Brits will carry him.
USO- I dont think so, if he runs into a player on fire he has no answer (Cilic ? )

Murray had his breakthrough in 2008, that year at the AO he lost in the first round to Tsonga, this year he had a virus and lost a close match to Verdasco.
How do those two losses proof that he can't handle the heat?
His game is very well suited for the plexicushion surface.

At the US Open he showed more than a year ago that he can do very well on the surface. This year he was struggling big time with his wrist when he lost to Cilic.
He already beat Nadal in NY and Djokovic on the similiar courts of Cincinatti, and Federer will struggle more and more to bring his top level at the slams.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-10-2009, 09:39 AM
Murray had his breakthrough in 2008, that year at the AO he lost in the first round to Tsonga, this year he had a virus and lost a close match to Verdasco.
How do those two losses proof that he can't handle the heat?
His game is very well suited for the plexicushion surface.

At the US Open he showed more than a year ago that he can do very well on the surface. This year he was struggling big time with his wrist when he lost to Cilic.
He already beat Nadal in NY, and beat Djokovic on the similiar courts of Cincinatti.
What happened in 2007 vs Nadal? He broke down due to the heat imo.
Well we can speculate until the end of time about this, the thing is he has got to bring it for 2 weeks ready to go 5 sets- can he do it? Imo, not in AO.
But hey! The speculating is fun, right?

rocket
11-10-2009, 09:41 AM
until he wins a Grand Slam you have to regard him as being on a lesser level than the likes of Federer and Nadal.


Thanks for the reminder. ;)

dropshot winner
11-10-2009, 09:41 AM
What happened in 2007 vs Nadal? He broke down due to the heat imo.
Well we can speculate until the end of time about this, the thing is he has got to bring it for 2 weeks ready to go 5 sets- can he do it? Imo, not in AO.
But hey! The speculating is fun, right?

2007 isn't relevant, Murray's a different player now (phyiscally).

People try to read way to much in past perfomances at a certain slam, it often doesn't work with young players.

rocket
11-10-2009, 09:43 AM
Nadal will win his 1st USO before Murray wins ANY slam.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-10-2009, 09:44 AM
2007 isn't relevant, Murray's a different player now (phyiscally).

People try to read way to much out of past perfomances at a certain slam, it often doesn't work with young players.
Yeah, i can agree with this.
Del Po came out of nowhere (in GS) and won the USO in his first final, Murray SHOULD be ready. IF he wins a GS it will be Wimby imo

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-10-2009, 09:44 AM
Nadal will win his 1st USO before Murray wins ANY slam.
Not a chance in hell, sorry.

rocket
11-10-2009, 09:48 AM
Not a chance in hell, sorry.

Nadal already won a slam on hard court.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-10-2009, 09:50 AM
Nadal already won a slam on hard court.
There is a huge difference on the AO-surface and the USO-surface

Anaconda
11-10-2009, 09:52 AM
Why does he do it though? why does he say these stupid things? He's supposed to be knowledgable about the game. He's acting like a moron - maybe he is a moron but his superiors should stop him comming out with these statements which make him look the moron that he clearly is.

dropshot winner
11-10-2009, 09:57 AM
Yeah, i can agree with this.
Del Po came out of nowhere (in GS) and won the USO in his first final, Murray SHOULD be ready. IF he wins a GS it will be Wimby imo
He has a great grasscourt game, but I think he needs to win the AO to win Wimbledon, otherwise the pressure might be too much.

GustafsonFanatic
11-10-2009, 10:01 AM
Yeah, i can agree with this.
Del Po came out of nowhere (in GS) and won the USO in his first final, Murray SHOULD be ready. IF he wins a GS it will be Wimby imo

When did Murray become a favorite for Wimbledon? When BBC said so?

He won Queens and reached Wimbledon SF beating the likes of Blake, Ferrero and Gulbis, and struggling with Wawrinka.

Federer and Nadal can beat him on grass even without their top form. Roddick too. And if Djokovic had the same draw as Murray, he would have had the same results (W in Queens, SF in Wimbleodn).

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-10-2009, 10:06 AM
When did Murray become a favorite for Wimbledon? When BBC said so?

He won Queens and reached Wimbledon SF beating the likes of Blake, Ferrero and Gulbis, and struggling with Wawrinka.

Federer and Nadal can beat him on grass even without their top form. Roddick too. And if Djokovic had the same draw as Murray, he would have had the same results (W in Queens, SF in Wimbleodn).

IF...IF...IF he wins a GS I THINK it will be Wimbledon.
I never said he is a favourite to win W, that imo is Federer for at least another 2 years.

rocket
11-10-2009, 10:08 AM
There is a huge difference on the AO-surface and the USO-surface

Nadal has already dominated on 3 different slam surfaces. He's reached the USO semis twice in a row. This year, he played with only 70% capacity due to an abdominal tear.

It's just a matter of time.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-10-2009, 10:08 AM
He has a great grasscourt game, but I think he needs to win the AO to win Wimbledon, otherwise the pressure might be too much.
Good point, definetely agree.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-10-2009, 10:09 AM
Nadal has already dominated on 3 different slam surfaces. He's reached the USO semis twice in a row. This year, he played with only 70% capacity due to an abdominal tear.

It's just a matter of time.
No, he has dominated on 1 surface.
And USO is by far the fastest, read, therefore he will never win it. His best chance was this or last year.
If you play- you are ready for war, if not- too bad.
Domination= Roger Federer- Hardcourt-Grass- You see?

dropshot winner
11-10-2009, 10:09 AM
Nadal has already dominated on 3 different slam surfaces. He's reached the USO semis twice in a row. This year, he played with only 70% capacity due to an abdominal tear.

It's just a matter of time.

Nadal has never dominated on any surface except clay. He reached the AO final ONCE and got outplayed comprehensively both times he reached the USO semi.

GustafsonFanatic
11-10-2009, 10:13 AM
IF...IF...IF he wins a GS I THINK it will be Wimbledon.
I never said he is a favourite to win W, that imo is Federer for at least another 2 years.

No, I wasn't criticizing your opinion, just expressing dismay that he was considered a favorite for Wimbledon.

I think he may have more chance at hardcourts. That's where he has had the most success in the past. But, when you look at it, he hasn't beaten anyone important in HC slam. Last year at USO, he took out young DelP in QF and Nadal in SF on Nadal's worst surface. I, for one, am not impressed.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-10-2009, 10:21 AM
got outplayed comprehensively both times he reached the USO semi.
You are very nice to Nadal, id say this year he got totally blown off the court !
Was a great thing to see

SempreSami
11-10-2009, 10:36 AM
in fact he's been saying murray is "the true no.1" for about a year.

and then he gets buttsexed.

keep up the good work simon. everyone outside the uk hates murray.

thanks for the jinx.

Maybe in insignificant little Greece. :roll:

rocket
11-10-2009, 10:46 AM
No, he has dominated on 1 surface.
And USO is by far the fastest, read, therefore he will never win it. His best chance was this or last year.
If you play- you are ready for war, if not- too bad.
Domination= Roger Federer- Hardcourt-Grass- You see?

FO '09 - Nadal: defending champ.
Wimby '09 - Nadal: defending champ.
AO '10 - Nadal: defending champ.

Fed has a slight edge over Nadal at the USO should they ever meet, but that's about it.

rocket
11-10-2009, 10:48 AM
Nadal has never dominated on any surface except clay. He reached the AO final ONCE and got outplayed comprehensively both times he reached the USO semi.

Same thing happened at the AO'08 semis, but in '09, he won it.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-10-2009, 10:50 AM
FO '09 - Nadal: defending champ.
Wimby '09 - Nadal: defending champ.
AO '10 - Nadal: defending champ.

Fed has a slight edge over Nadal at the USO should they ever meet, but that's about it.
Ok, im not gonna argue with this, you are a troll.

rocket
11-10-2009, 10:56 AM
He has a great grasscourt game, but I think he needs to win the AO to win Wimbledon, otherwise the pressure might be too much.

To stand any chance to win a slam, one has to make it to the finals in the 1st place.

P_Agony
11-10-2009, 11:07 AM
Well, IMO Reed's opinion isn't entirely wrong. Sure, Murray, results wise, is far from being the best in the world. However, Murray IS the most consistent player outside the slams, and when he wins a slam (it's just a matter of time) he will have the potential to become #1.

What seems most odd to me is the fact Reed completley ignored Del Potro in his comments (unless this is a very old article that's been written way before DP won his slam) The guy is the latest grand slam winner, has beaten Nadal and Fed back to back for the trophy.

batz
11-10-2009, 11:08 AM
To stand any chance to win a slam, one has to make it to the finals in the 1st place.

Really? I never knew that - cheers.

Reed is such an utter bawbag. Trouble is, he lends credence to the view that the UK media; to man, have Murray as the winner of every slam when the opposite is true.

That's not to say Murray is not hyped/overexposed around Wimbledon time - but there isn't squad of journalists tipping him to win the thing.

He gets more hyped by US based people - Mac, Agassi, journos like Tignor tipping him to win USO. Reed aside, that simply doesn't happen in the UK.

Blinkism
11-10-2009, 11:10 AM
in fact he's been saying murray is "the true no.1" for about a year.

and then he gets buttsexed.

:shock:

Not how I'd put it....

But yeah

broxi51
11-10-2009, 11:20 AM
i don't think murray is the best, but has the ability to be the best more so than anyone else in the top 10, i am not talking federer peak here.

everyone will shout hate like they do every other murray thread, but id they can name 1 will be surprised.

murray has 6 titles this year but has underperformed in the slams due to various reasons, from the virus, to the pressure of wimby and the wrist problems, however great players can overcome these adversities. Federer and nadal have proved this on numerous occasions.

the main reason he can't overcome these adversities is himself, the stubborniss not to go aggressive and take the bull by the horns.

By doing this, he is taking at least 20% of his best game away from himself. We all have witnessed snippets of aggressive play from murray but it is unforunately less occurance this year, apart from 2nd set agaisnt nadal on clay. i know he lost that set, but that was agaisnt clay god. If he had played that way agaisnt anyone else he would have blown them out of the water.

If you look at the top 10 potential wise, not one of the them has the ability to take their game to the next level as much as murray.

Some of the top tens' game has already peaked or in peak, others can work at their fitness and some their mind game but with murray it his mind and game that can only get better.

batz
11-10-2009, 11:28 AM
i don't think murray is the best, but has the ability to be the best more so than anyone else in the top 10, i am not talking federer peak here.

everyone will shout hate like they do every other murray thread, but id they can name 1 will be surprised.

murray has 6 titles this year but has underperformed in the slams due to various reasons, from the virus, to the pressure of wimby and the wrist problems, however great players can overcome these adversities. Federer and nadal have proved this on numerous occasions.

the main reason he can't overcome these adversities is himself, the stubborniss not to go aggressive and take the bull by the horns.

By doing this, he is taking at least 20% of his best game away from himself. We all have witnessed snippets of aggressive play from murray but it is unforunately less occurance this year, apart from 2nd set agaisnt nadal on clay. i know he lost that set, but that was agaisnt clay god. If he had played that way agaisnt anyone else he would have blown them out of the water.

If you look at the top 10 potential wise, not one of the them has the ability to take their game to the next level as much as murray.

Some of the top tens' game has already peaked or in peak, others can work at their fitness and some their mind game but with murray it his mind and game that can only get better.



Without passing comment on the rest of your post, it is worthwhile noting that only 2 men made the second week of every grand slam last season - one of them was Roger and the other was Murray.

Now that's not to say the Murray not even making a slam final this year can be described as a good slam year, but he matched or bettered his previous best in 3 out 4 slams and was clearly carrying an injury when he lost in R4 in the one slam where 'underperformed' is a reasonable description.

There's more to come from Murray in slams.

Blinkism
11-10-2009, 11:34 AM
^^ Verdasco also made the second week of every slam

as well as a semi and a quarter

batz
11-10-2009, 11:42 AM
^^ Verdasco also made the second week of every slam

as well as a semi and a quarter

Blink - happy to stand corrected.

He's one of only 3 to do it this year. :-)

aphex
11-10-2009, 01:14 PM
Maybe in insignificant little Greece. :roll:

do you need reminding of the poll in which murray was the clear winner
as the most annoying tennis player?

unless, of course, you think everyone here is from greece...

Xenakis
11-10-2009, 01:16 PM
It was great to see Andy Murray make a winning comeback in Valencia and I still believe he is the best tennis player in the world, that's not to say he's going to win a Grand Slam.

To come back in Valencia and win after all that time out is amazing, but until he wins a Grand Slam you have to regard him as being on a lesser level than the likes of Federer and Nadal.

I don't think Federer is the player he was, Nadal is not the player he was. Djokovic seems to be coming back and there are others coming up, Cilic is one, but I think they are all pretty level and you can't pick a number one.

But if you press me to pick a number one, you look at who has been the most consistent outside of slams and it is Andy Murray.

He has won six times now, but for us to truly believe he needs to win a Slam; I am sure that will come.

Heading to London fresh will help him and it will help him next year for the Australian Open.

Right now if you ask me who is going to win in London I would have to say Murray. He is the favourite for me.

Federer is not playing well, for Djokovic to beat him in Basel is a great result for Djokovic and Nadal is not quite there either after all his problems.

I see Andy Murray as the favourite to win in London, but not in Australia. He has to prove he can win a Grand Slam first.

London will be a great occasion and Murray will go there being lightly raced and then on to Australia. Australia is his ideal surface and it is a great chance for him - but as I say, he needs to prove he can do it on the big occasion.

Kiss of death (again, just as Murray was getting it together again.)

Reminds of the time when England were playing in the 2002 World Cup and before the quarter final with Brazil the cast from Coronation Street were wheeled into the Rovers Return to say 'Good Luck England' before the game started (it was broadcast on ITV, unfortunately, home of dullardry and chintz.)

I soon as I saw that I knew we were doomed, and deserved to be more to the point (what have the cast of the execrable Coronation Street or any other onerous soap opera got to do with the World Cup?, stay out of it.)

Blinkism
11-10-2009, 01:18 PM
He gets more hyped by US based people - Mac, Agassi, journos like Tignor tipping him to win USO. Reed aside, that simply doesn't happen in the UK.

I know he's popular in Truro and Penzance and areas around there. South England, that is.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
11-10-2009, 01:22 PM
Kiss of death (again, just as Murray was getting it together again.)

Reminds of the time when England were playing in the 2002 World Cup and before the quarter final with Brazil the cast from Coronation Street were wheeled into the Rovers Return to say 'Good Luck England' before the game started (it was broadcast on ITV, unfortunately, home of dullardry and chintz.)

I soon as I saw that I knew we were doomed, and deserved to be more to the point (what have the cast of the execrable Coronation Street or any other onerous soap opera got to do with the World Cup?, stay out of it.)
Good post!
Although David Seaman was to blame for that!

Xenakis
11-10-2009, 01:27 PM
Good post!
Although David Seaman was to blame for that!

Well, I still blame ITV and Coronation Street more =)

nfor304
11-10-2009, 03:31 PM
amazing that his criteria for number 1 is performance outside the slams.

Mun
11-10-2009, 03:44 PM
Obviously there are no doping tests on Eurosport

Weathered33
11-10-2009, 03:54 PM
Simon Reed is the biggest TTW troll out there, he's probably reading this thread now...

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2716/trolle.jpg

JeMar
11-10-2009, 04:08 PM
This guy reminds me of that episode of The Office where Ryan sets up a fake blog for Creed because he doesn't want his thoughts to make it unto the internet.

Someone should've just opened up a Word document and told Simon Reed it was a blog.

Weathered33
11-10-2009, 04:14 PM
This guy reminds me of that episode of The Office where Ryan sets up a fake blog for Creed because he doesn't want his thoughts to make it unto the internet.

Someone should've just opened up a Word document and told Simon Reed it was a blog.

www.reedthoughts.gov.www\reedthoughts

JeMar
11-10-2009, 04:16 PM
www.reedthoughts.gov.www\reedthoughts

lol, exactly.

Clicky, clicky. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwJvUYiN_1M)

NamRanger
11-10-2009, 04:42 PM
Simon Reed, this is not the WTA.

oy vey
11-10-2009, 05:26 PM
"But if you press me to pick a number one, you look at who has been the most consistent outside of slams and it is Andy Murray."

That's what they say about Safina.

Cyan
11-10-2009, 05:32 PM
I think Fed will win the YEC and tie Lendl and Sampras with 5 YEC....

kishnabe
11-10-2009, 07:32 PM
So Murray is the best player in the World yet he is not sure if he is even going to win a single slam?! That is incredibly poorly thought out and stupid sounding, even for his own low standards.

i second that!!

Anaconda
11-11-2009, 08:21 AM
Murray isn't even the best player out there without a grand slam.........Nalbandian is, so Murray isn't even near the top.

batz
11-11-2009, 11:38 AM
Murray isn't even the best player out there without a grand slam.........Nalbandian is, so Murray isn't even near the top.

Nalbandian is 27 years 10 months, Murray is 22 years and 6 months

Nalbandian has 10 titles, Murray has 14

Nalbandian has been ranked 3, Murray has been ranked 2

Nalbandian has 2 Masters Series titles, Murray has 4

Nalbandian has never won more than 2 titles in a season, Murray has taken 6

Nalbandian has never won more than 2 titles in back to back seasons, Murray has won 5 titles in back to back seasons

Nalbandian has never won more than 4 titles in any two year period in his career, Murray has won 11 in a two year period.

Which criteria are you using to arrive at the conclusion that Nalbandian is better than Murray? Pie eating capabilities? Rotundness?

Weathered33
11-11-2009, 11:41 AM
Which criteria are you using to arrive at the conclusion that Nalbandian is better than Murray? Pie eating capabilities? Rotundness?


Results don't matter, only "talent". ;)

batz
11-11-2009, 11:43 AM
Results don't matter, only "talent". ;)

You're right. I forgot about that particular TW meme.

By the way - your avatar is quite disturbing :)

Blinkism
11-11-2009, 11:47 AM
Well, Nalbandian has better results at the slams

In that he's reached the semi's at all of them and, overall, has more semi's and quarters appearances than Murray.

Doubtful that Murray won't beat Nalbandian in that regard, though.

Although, he might never make it past the quarters at the French...

Anaconda
11-11-2009, 11:47 AM
Nalbandian is 27 years 10 months, Murray is 22 years and 6 months

Nalbandian has 10 titles, Murray has 14

Nalbandian has been ranked 3, Murray has been ranked 2

Nalbandian has 2 Masters Series titles, Murray has 4

Nalbandian has never won more than 2 titles in a season, Murray has taken 6

Nalbandian has never won more than 2 titles in back to back seasons, Murray has won 5 titles in back to back seasons

Nalbandian has never won more than 4 titles in any two year period in his career, Murray has won 11 in a two year period.

Which criteria are you using to arrive at the conclusion that Nalbandian is better than Murray? Pie eating capabilities? Rotundness?

OK, if we are using 'criteria' then Gaston Gaudio >>> Andy Murray.

Blinkism
11-11-2009, 11:50 AM
Oh, and Nalbanian won the Masters Cup in a final against Federer

Anaconda
11-11-2009, 11:55 AM
Oh, and Nalbanian won the Masters Cup in a final against Federer

and actually beat Federer when it mattered. He didn't beat Federer at tiny events and then Freeze against him in majors.

Nalbandian also beat the top 3 players in back to back tournaments. I doubt Murray has done that.

batz
11-11-2009, 12:29 PM
and actually beat Federer when it mattered. He didn't beat Federer at tiny events and then Freeze against him in majors.

Nalbandian also beat the top 3 players in back to back tournaments. I doubt Murray has done that.

Murray has beaten Roger in TMC too.

You're right; Nalby beating top 3 back to back outweighs all those extra titles and masters series and higher rankings that Murray has.

Nalby is 'beat the top 3 back to back' GOAT and should be recognised as such.

Listen - Blink detests the very air that Murray breathes and the ground that he walks on (albeit in a quirky and often amusing way) and even he can't come up with anything better than a marginally better slam record for Nalby that Murray will likely outdo within a few years.


Murray>>>>>>Nalby. The end.

aphex
11-11-2009, 12:34 PM
Murray has beaten Roger in TMC too.

You're right; Nalby beating top 3 back to back outweighs all those extra titles and masters series and higher rankings that Murray has.

Nalby is 'beat the top 3 back to back' GOAT and should be recognised as such.

Listen - Blink detests the very air that Murray breathes and the ground that he walks on (albeit in a quirky and often amusing way) and even he can't come up with anything better than a marginally better slam record for Nalby that Murray will likely outdo within a few years.


Murray>>>>>>Nalby. The end.


so wrong...take off your nationalist glasses-

peak nalby>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>peak murray

Anaconda
11-11-2009, 12:38 PM
Murray has beaten Roger in TMC too.

You're right; Nalby beating top 3 back to back outweighs all those extra titles and masters series and higher rankings that Murray has.

Nalby is 'beat the top 3 back to back' GOAT and should be recognised as such.

Listen - Blink detests the very air that Murray breathes and the ground that he walks on (albeit in a quirky and often amusing way) and even he can't come up with anything better than a marginally better slam record for Nalby that Murray will likely outdo within a few years.


Murray>>>>>>Nalby. The end.


Look, i don't mind Murray. He's very talented and some day he will win a slam. But lets not forget that Nalbandian at his best owns Murray. Yep, if we go by results then Murray is better. But if we look at results then Murray shouldn't be #4 in the world.

Nalbandian actually beat prime Federer in 5 sets. Murray managed to beat a depressed Federer shanking forehands to win in 3 close sets. Big difference.

Blinkism
11-11-2009, 12:38 PM
Listen - Blink detests the very air that Murray breathes and the ground that he walks on

This is true, but I never claimed

Nalbandian > Murray

He's more entertaining and that, but in terms of achievements Murray gets the nod.

batz
11-11-2009, 12:41 PM
This is true, but I never claimed

Nalbandian > Murray

He's more entertaining and that, but in terms of achievements Murray gets the nod.

Never said you did mate - cheers.

Weathered33
11-11-2009, 12:42 PM
Everyone likes to laugh at Murray for "choking" in his first slam final vs Federer.

What was the score in Nalby's first (and only) slam final again?

Anaconda
11-11-2009, 12:44 PM
Everyone likes to laugh at Murray for "choking" in his first slam final vs Federer.

What was the score in Nalby's first (and only) slam final again?

Hewitt is a tough matchup for nalbandian. Murray is a tough matchup for Federer. Yet Federer muched Murray.

batz
11-11-2009, 12:49 PM
Look, i don't mind Murray. He's very talented and some day he will win a slam. But lets not forget that Nalbandian at his best owns Murray. Yep, if we go by results then Murray is better. But if we look at results then Murray shouldn't be #4 in the world.

Nalbandian actually beat prime Federer in 5 sets. Murray managed to beat a depressed Federer shanking forehands to win in 3 close sets. Big difference.

That is one of the daftest things I've ever seen posted on here. There was me that a players ranking was completely and utterly a function of their results.

Let me just get my head around that for a minute - "if we're going by results, Murray shouldn't be number 4 in the world"

OK - I've got the ball and I'm running with it.

If, going by results, Murray shouldn't be number 4, can I ask who should?

Weathered33
11-11-2009, 12:50 PM
If, going by results, Murray shouldn't be number 4, can I ask who should?

In b4 Del Potro.

Hewitt is a tough matchup for nalbandian. Murray is a tough matchup for Federer. Yet Federer muched Murray.



Right, so losing your first slam final to a guy going for his 5th straight US Open title and 13th grand slam, probably the greatest player ever to play the game is worse than losing to some guy going for his 2nd slam.

batz
11-11-2009, 12:51 PM
so wrong...take off your nationalist glasses-

peak nalby>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>peak murray

Look, I've told you before - I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

aphex
11-11-2009, 01:41 PM
Look, I've told you before - I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

easy there oscar wilde.

next time try not to plagiarize and attempt to pass off phrases as your own.


ok, plagiarizing muppet?

SempreSami
11-11-2009, 03:57 PM
do you need reminding of the poll in which murray was the clear winner
as the most annoying tennis player?

unless, of course, you think everyone here is from greece...

And TTW represents everyone in the world? :roll:

aphex
11-13-2009, 01:42 AM
the simon reed kiss of death does it's job once again!

thanks simon!