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fe6250
11-20-2009, 10:38 AM
As we approach year-end and we all start speculating whether or not the USTA will make mass changes and when ratings will be posted, etc... I thought - why not predict your own fate?

So - simply state here one of the following choices as your Prediction:

Stay the Same
Move Up this year
Move Down this year

After ratings are posted - come back and edit your post (leaving your original prediction) and post what actually happened. For example:

Move Up this year - (edit what actually happened here)

This will prove whether any of us actually have a clue or if indeed it's all just magic!

fe6250
11-20-2009, 10:39 AM
Move Up this year
Correct - Moved to 4.0 (as did the rest of my entire team!)

SlapChop
11-20-2009, 11:24 AM
Stay the Same - (3.0) I think I am going to sign up for both a 3.0 and a 3.5 league.

Update: Rated at 2.5 - I only played three USTA matches last year. It was my first year to be in the USTA. I lost 2 and won 1 at 3.0

I am not sure where to play now. I have been playing mostly with 3.5 players. I have never taken a set from them but lately the scores have been 3-6 4-6 on average. When I do play with 3.0's I am usually winning 6-3 6-4. Where should I play for 2010? I will likely play another tournament in December at 3.0.

Topaz
11-20-2009, 11:50 AM
Original prediction - I will stay the same (3.5)

Perry the Platypus
11-20-2009, 12:03 PM
Me - Stay at 4.5

Wife - get bumped up to 4.5

Kostas
11-20-2009, 12:22 PM
Get bumped up to 3.5

catfish
11-20-2009, 12:31 PM
I think I'll stay a 4.5. Slight chance I may get moved down to 4.0.

goober
11-20-2009, 12:31 PM
I am getting moved down. I didn't play much this year and all the official matches I did play that actually get calculated into ratings, I lost.

JRstriker12
11-20-2009, 12:38 PM
I won slightly more than 50% of my matches. Prob stay the same (3.5),

innoVAShaun
11-20-2009, 12:52 PM
moving away (taking my 3 years off)

4.0 down to 3.0 (4.0)

wifey:

3.5 down to 2.5 (3.5)

Still going to move away for 3 years and re-rate ourselves later.

kylebarendrick
11-20-2009, 12:52 PM
Stay the same (3.5)

atatu
11-20-2009, 12:55 PM
Stay at 4.5...

raiden031
11-20-2009, 01:00 PM
Prior to all the speculation about overall rating increases, I would've guessed moving down to 3.5. Now I think I will stay at 4.0 because of this.

JavierLW
11-20-2009, 01:22 PM
I have no idea what my rating will be, but I suspect it wont move.

"ARE THE RATINGS HERE YET????"

damazing
11-20-2009, 01:27 PM
I think I'll probably get bumped up having won about 80% of my matches this year.

Jim A
11-20-2009, 07:09 PM
Move up from 3.0 to 3.5, looking forward to it

10sguy
11-20-2009, 10:31 PM
moving away (taking my 3 years off)

4.0 down to 3.0

wifey:

3.5 down to 2.5

That ("taking my three years off") won't work any more!

Lame_Backhand
11-21-2009, 05:31 AM
I have a feeling that I will be moving up to 3.5, but would like to keep my 3.0 badge for next season's combo.

D. Net Tricks
11-21-2009, 11:21 AM
sticking at 4.0

Hokiez
11-21-2009, 04:43 PM
Bumped up to 4.5

edit: I was right, bumped to 4.5

JLyon
11-22-2009, 05:31 PM
stay at 4.5 or small chance of bump to 5.0 if the ratings are bumped a tad higher this year.

innoVAShaun
11-23-2009, 11:28 AM
That ("taking my three years off") won't work any more!

Why is that? Can you link me to the USTA documentation saying so? Is USTA going to stop it after this year? They still do it around here.

Homey
11-23-2009, 11:30 AM
I am being told by Everybody that I will get kicked up to 4.5 We will see.

Homey

edit - I got bumped to 4.5

vizsla
11-23-2009, 06:14 PM
With the new algorithm, I'll likely get the big bump to 5.0

Douggo
11-24-2009, 08:17 AM
I'll stay at 3.5. Hopefully, everybody above me will get bumped to 4.0, and I'll be King of the Dips#!ts.

EDIT: Staying at 3.5; time to put my money where my mouth is.

sMaShGaL
11-25-2009, 06:37 AM
Started as 3.0 B

Record at Adult 3.0, 3.5 and 4.0: 31-3

Prediction: Bumped to 3.5 B

DANMAN
11-25-2009, 08:23 AM
I am going to say 5.5, but I sure hope that isn't the case. 5.0 is lonely enough. If this new algorithm bumps plenty of people up all the way to the top, it won't seem to do much good. In my area, there are already no 4.5 leagues and no 5.0 leagues. Hopefully this doesn't result in more people at 5.0 and 5.5 with no leagues there and a weak 4.5 league. There will be a 4.5 league according to our coordinator, which in my opinion, will not be of too high of a level. There are only a handful of 5.0+ players in LA that play tennis, and I fear this change may make the situationw orse.

michael_1265
11-25-2009, 01:27 PM
Stay the same, 3.0

Cindysphinx
11-26-2009, 07:03 PM
Staying at 3.5 for 2010. And 2011. And 2012 . . . .

fe6250
11-29-2009, 03:57 PM
Time to update results....

Lame_Backhand
11-29-2009, 04:51 PM
I have a feeling that I will be moving up to 3.5, but would like to keep my 3.0 badge for next season's combo.

Bumped up to 3.5 as expected...... Oh well, I guess I will turn in my 3.0 badge.

raiden031
11-29-2009, 05:05 PM
I cannot believe the number of people who got bumped up in my area...WOW.

Topaz
11-29-2009, 05:09 PM
Bumped up to 3.5 as expected...... Oh well, I guess I will turn in my 3.0 badge.

The TTW NTRP police will be by to pick it up!

Fedace
11-29-2009, 05:11 PM
I say that USTA bump up everybody 1 level to make the ratings eval more accurate. So much cheating has made a Mockery of ratings descriptions..

damazing
11-29-2009, 05:13 PM
I cannot believe the number of people who got bumped up in my area...WOW.

It's pretty unbelievable - some of the people who were sure sure sure that they weren't going to be bumped up got bumped.

Topaz
11-29-2009, 05:13 PM
I stayed 3.5, as I predicted...only change is from C to B.

Fedace
11-29-2009, 05:15 PM
not to mention it will help everyone's ego as well.....

raiden031
11-29-2009, 05:18 PM
Ok some guy on my 3.0 team from '08 is now a 4.5!!

JLyon
11-29-2009, 05:19 PM
seems like few AR Players got bumped even from the Sectional Team, but I go 2-1 at 4.5 and 1-2 at 5.0 and get a bump to 5.0. Anyone who knows me I am an average 4.5 at "BEST" oh well guess I get to get stomped.

raiden031
11-29-2009, 05:25 PM
It seems like the tweak was really drastic with the men, but I don't know if there was much change with the women.

Topaz
11-29-2009, 05:30 PM
It seems like the tweak was really drastic with the men, but I don't know if there was much change with the women.

Honestly, I'm completely baffled...I have a friend who has played singles at 3.5 nationals two years in a row...and she did NOT get bumped!

86golf
11-29-2009, 05:41 PM
Any auto appeal success? I was denied.

At least one guy at my club got the double bump and based on my sampling of ladies and men players at my club, I'd say 50% were bumped up. 3.5->4.0 had the most bump ups. Not too many 4.0->4.5 and none of our 4.5's got bumped to 5.0.

North Carolina section

Topaz
11-29-2009, 05:41 PM
I won slightly more than 50% of my matches. Prob stay the same (3.5),

But two tourny finals...better up those expectations JRS...up to 4.0 that is!

Congrats!

Crap, now I can't play mixed with you!!!!

JLyon
11-29-2009, 05:53 PM
Any auto appeal success? I was denied.

At least one guy at my club got the double bump and based on my sampling of ladies and men players at my club, I'd say 50% were bumped up. 3.5->4.0 had the most bump ups. Not too many 4.0->4.5 and none of our 4.5's got bumped to 5.0.

North Carolina section

Denied here as well.

Jim A
11-29-2009, 06:19 PM
We had I think 8 out of 12 from our team bumped up

Based on who was bumped there was only 1 player who I was surprised stayed at 3.0 as he and his partner played almost exclusively. My thought is that he didn't play Twilight with us and his partner had a blowout win @ Districts. The other players on our squad either had poor seasons or are 3.0 stalwarts. One of our players I think only played in 3 matches all season, but had a good win @ Districts that likely put him over the top.

I was a bit surprised at some of the players who were bumped up when looking at some of my opponents from throughout the year. A total of 17 out of 24 opponents were bumped up as well. I do think its the right thing, especially at 3.0.

Fedace
11-29-2009, 07:01 PM
stay at 4.5 or small chance of bump to 5.0 if the ratings are bumped a tad higher this year.

When is it coming out anyway ?

HitItHarder
11-30-2009, 08:06 AM
Any auto appeal success? I was denied.

At least one guy at my club got the double bump and based on my sampling of ladies and men players at my club, I'd say 50% were bumped up. 3.5->4.0 had the most bump ups. Not too many 4.0->4.5 and none of our 4.5's got bumped to 5.0.

North Carolina section

One of my teamates successfully auto appealed after his bump up to a 3.5. Another teamate appealed and was denied. Interesting thing about the successful appeal is he played in 7 matches (plus a couple tournaments), so the rumored automatic denial if you played in 6 matches must not be true (at least for the Southern Section or SC).

From a general standpoint, almost all of the top players from our local league got bumped. Should make for lots of new faces representing our Local League at State.

herrburgess
11-30-2009, 08:34 AM
One of my teamates successfully auto appealed after his bump up to a 3.5. Another teamate appealed and was denied. Interesting thing about the successful appeal is he played in 7 matches (plus a couple tournaments), so the rumored automatic denial if you played in 6 matches must not be true (at least for the Southern Section or SC).

Remember that the 6 matches have to be ones recognized by the computer (i.e. not 6-0 6-0 matches or matches against non-computer-rated players). Also, didn't making the playoffs mean your teammates and you got benchmark ratings? I thought those can't be appealed? Or is this a different team you're referring to?

HitItHarder
11-30-2009, 09:59 AM
Remember that the 6 matches have to be ones recognized by the computer (i.e. not 6-0 6-0 matches or matches against non-computer-rated players). Also, didn't making the playoffs mean your teammates and you got benchmark ratings? I thought those can't be appealed? Or is this a different team you're referring to?

This is our adult spring league team, not combo. All our our benchmark ratings are from going to sectionals two years ago as 2.5s. This was our first year as a 3.0 team.

I double checked and one of the matches likely wouldn't count because he lost to a guy that got a mid-year DQ. So that would bring him down to 6 played matches. I am guessing that one of the other matches must have been against some self-rated players or something.

I saw that you got the double bump. I only know of one person here in the PD that happened to.

herrburgess
11-30-2009, 10:52 AM
I saw that you got the double bump. I only know of one person here in the PD that happened to.

Two of the guys we played at States in the spring (from LCTA) got double-bumped (matter of fact, my partner and I were the only ones to beat them all year, including at Sectionals). Also I know of one (sandbagger) guy from LATA that got double-bumped.

abbeytxs
11-30-2009, 11:07 AM
Well I finally got the bump up that I have been working so hard to get. I was pretty confident this was going to be the season I was bumped. Then they lowered the bar. While I am pleased I am going up, I now wonder if I really "earned" it, or if I was caught up in the "bump everyone up" frenzy.
I always thought I would feel so excited when this day came, but I don't. I wish there was some way of finding out where you actually were in the rating system.

catfish
11-30-2009, 11:25 AM
I predicted I would remain at 4.5 and I did.

We had a lot of movement up in our area. At levels below 4.5, I'd guess that about 1/2 to 2/3 of the players who advanced to Districts and beyond got bumped up. Most of the 4.5 & 5.0 players who played post season remained at their levels.

Cindysphinx
11-30-2009, 11:35 AM
Well I finally got the bump up that I have been working so hard to get. I was pretty confident this was going to be the season I was bumped. Then they lowered the bar. While I am pleased I am going up, I now wonder if I really "earned" it, or if I was caught up in the "bump everyone up" frenzy.
I always thought I would feel so excited when this day came, but I don't. I wish there was some way of finding out where you actually were in the rating system.

Aw, come on. Don't feel that way.

I was working trying to make it to 4.0 and I didn't. That means your bump does in fact mean something. Congratulations!

abbeytxs
11-30-2009, 12:15 PM
Aw, come on. Don't feel that way.

I was working trying to make it to 4.0 and I didn't. That means your bump does in fact mean something. Congratulations!

Don't get me wrong, overall I am pleased. Although, I just went from being the big fish in the little pond, to just another minnow trying not to get my tailed chewed off. I'm going to miss all those phone calls of people begging me to be on their teams! Now I have to be the one calling and begging to get on a team! :)


I just can't help feeling that everyone who got bumped up this season has that little "*" next to their name.

Fedace
11-30-2009, 02:50 PM
Is the ratings out for all the regions ???

Fedace
11-30-2009, 02:57 PM
Hey guys, is this the final rating for the 2009 season ?? and if so, would any of my matches i play in december affect this ???

Year End Rating Year End Rating Date Rating Type
4.5 12/31/2009 C


I took out the name and the city to remain a secret identity. Thank you so much

fe6250
11-30-2009, 04:12 PM
Hey guys, is this the final rating for the 2009 season ?? and if so, would any of my matches i play in december affect this ???

Year End Rating Year End Rating Date Rating Type
4.5 12/31/2009 C


I took out the name and the city to remain a secret identity. Thank you so much

That's it - you're done... Nothing you do in December would now impact the 2009 year-end rating.... of course it could impact 2010.

Fedace
11-30-2009, 04:41 PM
That's it - you're done... Nothing you do in December would now impact the 2009 year-end rating.... of course it could impact 2010.

So you mean i could go and lose to 4.0 guy, 6-1 6-1 and it wouldn't affect it ???

sMaShGaL
12-02-2009, 09:06 AM
Started as 3.0 B

Record at Adult 3.0, 3.5 and 4.0: 31-3

Prediction: Bumped to 3.5 B

UGH...I got bumped from 3.0B to 4.0B!!

Topaz
12-02-2009, 09:17 AM
UGH...I got bumped from 3.0B to 4.0B!!

I am a 3.0B but have been playing 3.0 and 3.5 this year (all doubles). I am 5-0 at 3.0 and 7-1 at 3.5. I understand that I can't be DQ'd but when planning for the rest of the year, Mixed and Combo, can I assume that I will be rated 3.0 all year? Or can I still be bumped mid-year?

7-1 at 3.5 would suggest you belong at 4.0.

Rabbit
12-02-2009, 09:24 AM
So you mean i could go and lose to 4.0 guy, 6-1 6-1 and it wouldn't affect it ???

Once your rating is established, it's locked in. That is not to say that subsequent play doesn't affect it as it is a Dynamic Rating. But, losing one match will not move your rating from 4.5 to 4.0. As an exercise, there was a team who tried that. They lost every match never winning more than two games a set. None were bumped down.

Nellie
12-02-2009, 09:24 AM
UGH...I got bumped from 3.0B to 4.0B!!

That means you went to playoffs on your 3.5 team and did pretty well.

cghipp
12-02-2009, 09:35 AM
It seems like the tweak was really drastic with the men, but I don't know if there was much change with the women.It seems like more women than men were bumped here. Eight women on my 4.0 team were bumped to 4.5, but I don't know of any men's teams here that were hit that hard. It averages out, probably.

sMaShGaL
12-02-2009, 09:41 AM
7-1 at 3.5 would suggest you belong at 4.0.
I was lucky and played with good partners. :)

And yes, I'm whining but I really wanted to play a couple years at 3.5. I think without the "adjustments" I would have. The good news is that in our area it seems that next year, 4.0 will be the same as this year's 3.5.

Topaz
12-02-2009, 10:24 AM
I was lucky and played with good partners. :)

And yes, I'm whining but I really wanted to play a couple years at 3.5. I think without the "adjustments" I would have. The good news is that in our area it seems that next year, 4.0 will be the same as this year's 3.5.

Ah, but it takes two to tango!

If you made it to post season play at 3.5 and did well, then why waste time there? And, as you said, you'll see a lot of those same players at 4.0.

Vincescourt
12-02-2009, 06:26 PM
Plenty of players got bumped as the USTA bumped over 90,000 of 300,0000 players. They are trying to weed out sandbaggers but they have also bumped plenty of players who should not have been.

GrandBanana
02-19-2010, 08:43 AM
Sent a letter to the local coordinator last fall about fact that I'd know I'd get screwed on my year-end rating and wouldn't get bumped up. At time, didn't know about the big bump-up. USTA moved up a lot more people than they usually do, but I got left behind...makes my not getting bumped up even more pronounced. This sux.

kylebarendrick
02-19-2010, 09:42 AM
Banana - as I noted in the other thread where you commented on this... the only matches that you played which counted toward your rating were the adult league matches at 3.5. You acknowledged a .500 record at that level and that you lost to the better players that you faced.

You may have gotten better subsequent to that, but the computer only looks at your adult league record - so the system has no way to know you've improved.

You can complain to coordinators or here, but your record didn't support a bump.

GrandBanana
02-19-2010, 12:47 PM
Kyle,
Thanks for your comments...appreciate them. Yes, I did comment about the 0.500 record I had for the 4 matches last year; however, as you should know by personal experience and by reading others' postings on here, rating is not solely based on the .500 record. Apparently, a further delving into the opponents' records at the time I played them are warranted.

Since I have been practicing more this year and hope to romp in my league, I hope to get some good scores in my 3.5(m)/7.0(xd) leagues. Hopefully, I can get a captain to kindly condescend and allow me to play in a 4.0(m)/8.0(xd) leagues to be able to compete there. Goal is to eventually send an email to my worthless local league coordinator and cast it up to her how I finally got my rating increase despite having to play in the new "3.5 lite" league, which does not reflect my level of play.

In reading a lot of the posts that people have posted from other regions, I'm now convinced even moreso this year (as I've had this thought for the last couple of years), that the ratings in general in my area are lower than the ratings in other areas for the same level of play. Meaning, if I kept my same level of play, there's no doubt I'd have gotten the higher rating elsewhere (which is some logic that I'm sure people like you will attack). Just seems as though there are disproportionately so many more 4.0s, 4.5s, 5.0s+ that are posting here from other areas than from this area. Also, given the written definition of the NTRP ratings as posted on the USTA website, I'd CLEARLY be at least a 4.5, yet I can't even get a 4.0.

I appreciate your "permission" to allow me to rant/rave on here.

iankogan
02-19-2010, 02:39 PM
...Also, given the written definition of the NTRP ratings as posted on the USTA website, I'd CLEARLY be at least a 4.5, yet I can't even get a 4.0.

Banana, I'm pretty much in the same boat as you are. I know that I'm as 'good' (relaively speaking) as the players I'm familiar with who have been bumped to 4.0 at the end of last year. But... USTA ratings algorithm doesn't know how 'good' I am or you are. It only knows the match results. And it does take into account whom you played and the score of the matches (something you've alluded to). The algorithm may not be perfect but it is objective: it treats you and I the same as anybody else.

As for the NTRP guidelines: these definitions are, should I say, 'elastic'? Here is an example: "This player has good shot anticipation and frequently has an outstanding shot or attribute around which a game may be structured. This player can regularly hit winners or force errors off of short balls and can put away volleys, can successfully execute lobs, drop shots, half volleys, overhead smashes, and has good depth and spin on most second serves. Strong shots with control, depth, and spin; uses forehand to set up offensive situations; has developed good touch; consistent on passing shots". Why, that's me! Or is it? The above describes 5.0-level payer.

Guidelines don't mean ANYTHING. Match results against players of similar ability are the only indication of your level of play. You know it.

And finally: your USTA league coordinator has nothing to do with your results.

gameboy
02-19-2010, 03:39 PM
Kyle,
Just seems as though there are disproportionately so many more 4.0s, 4.5s, 5.0s+ that are posting here from other areas than from this area. Also, given the written definition of the NTRP ratings as posted on the USTA website, I'd CLEARLY be at least a 4.5, yet I can't even get a 4.0.



Trust me, there isn't more 4.0s+ in other areas or on this board. Most of the people on this board are probably .5 to 1.5 lower than what they think they are. My guess is 80% of people post here are 3.5 and lower.

GrandBanana
02-19-2010, 07:00 PM
Thx Gameboy,
Just seemed a bit odd how most of the postings are from people who are 4.0++++++ all in other areas. I had heard from some of my local friends who played USTA in other regions that they were surprised when they moved here. One of my friends was a 4.0 elsewhere 2 years ago and moved here to play 4.0 and was getting crushed by the 4.0s here; a couple of other friends said the same with their 3.5 rating...others who moved around agreed. They were saying that they felt our region was a half-point low on the official ratings.

So, I'm thinking if I ever found a job elsewhere then I should be kicking butt if I lateral the rating and should easily be bumped up a rank the first year I'm there.

Jracer77
02-19-2010, 07:08 PM
Thx Gameboy,
Just seemed a bit odd how most of the postings are from people who are 4.0++++++ all in other areas. I had heard from some of my local friends who played USTA in other regions that they were surprised when they moved here. One of my friends was a 4.0 elsewhere 2 years ago and moved here to play 4.0 and was getting crushed by the 4.0s here; a couple of other friends said the same with their 3.5 rating...others who moved around agreed. They were saying that they felt our region was a half-point low on the official ratings.

So, I'm thinking if I ever found a job elsewhere then I should be kicking butt if I lateral the rating and should easily be bumped up a rank the first year I'm there.

Right, I guess your area wins Nationals every year since your level there is so high. You should change your moniker to GrandWhiner with all the posts you've made saying the same thing. If you did get bumped to 4.0 it wouldn't make you a better player. In fact you'd probably be lucky to get on a team with your personality.

GrandBanana
02-20-2010, 05:35 AM
Right, I guess your area wins Nationals every year since your level there is so high. You should change your moniker to GrandWhiner with all the posts you've made saying the same thing. If you did get bumped to 4.0 it wouldn't make you a better player. In fact you'd probably be lucky to get on a team with your personality.

Ahhh, yes, we finally have it...the personal attack. Well, JRacer, I'm not going to stoop so low as to personally attack you, but just to point out that if you were reading my posts, I was trying to stick to posting my feelings about USTA, the local league/politics, and especially my gripes with the NTRP. This is a forum for posting plusses and minuses, allowing people to rant and rave if necessary.

As you know, there's a lot of ranting/raving on this board, and it's not without a few bad apples that revel in trying to put people down personally. A quick scan on all your posts reveals that this seems to be your modus operandi. A few of the ones I like best are listed below for others to see what you're like.

"...the poster of that thought really doesn't have a clue..."
"I don't care what you're into clown. I go where I want. Pizzzofff"
"...you've belched your nonsense throughout so many threads..."

...and then there's your personal vendetta against Jolly...hope your therapist has a comfortable couch.

Quit the personal attacks on people on this board...grow up!
GB (or for Racer's benefit...GW)

GrandBanana
02-20-2010, 05:56 AM
Oh, and for the record, I just found the newsletter that was circulated last fall to congratulate the local teams going to the playoffs. Here's what's listed for the local teams in my metro area (and yes, I do play with a few of the people on these teams):

To Nationals:
1. 3.5 Women (my club, my 7.0 mixed doubles partner on this team)
2. 4.0 Women (my club, my 8.0 mixed doubles partner on this team)
3. 4.5 Men
4. 3.0 Senior Women
5. 3.5 Senior Men
6. 4.0 Senior Men (my club)
7. 18 & Under Advanced


And to Sectional Championships:
1. 3.5 Men (club where I play socially with these guys and in organized non-USTA leagues, and can beat some)
2. 4.0 Men
3. 4.5 Women
4. 5.0 Women
5. 5.0 Men (my club --- these are REAL 5.0s unlike the Faux5s that may exist here on this board)
6. 3.5 Senior Women
7. 4.5 Senior Women
8. 4.5 Senior Men

So, judge for yourself if your smart-***** comment about "...your area wins Nationals every year since your level there is so high." I have it here in black/white.

Now, feel free to childishly turn this into a personal attack like you always do, Racer.

Jracer77
02-20-2010, 09:27 AM
Oh, and for the record, I just found the newsletter that was circulated last fall to congratulate the local teams going to the playoffs. Here's what's listed for the local teams in my metro area (and yes, I do play with a few of the people on these teams):

To Nationals:
1. 3.5 Women (my club, my 7.0 mixed doubles partner on this team)
2. 4.0 Women (my club, my 8.0 mixed doubles partner on this team)
3. 4.5 Men
4. 3.0 Senior Women
5. 3.5 Senior Men
6. 4.0 Senior Men (my club)
7. 18 & Under Advanced


And to Sectional Championships:
1. 3.5 Men (club where I play socially with these guys and in organized non-USTA leagues, and can beat some)
2. 4.0 Men
3. 4.5 Women
4. 5.0 Women
5. 5.0 Men (my club --- these are REAL 5.0s unlike the Faux5s that may exist here on this board)
6. 3.5 Senior Women
7. 4.5 Senior Women
8. 4.5 Senior Men

So, judge for yourself if your smart-***** comment about "...your area wins Nationals every year since your level there is so high." I have it here in black/white.

Now, feel free to childishly turn this into a personal attack like you always do, Racer.

So how many of your teams actually won Nationals......very few I expect. Big deal, lots of teams go to Sectionals and Nationals. And yes I do call out whiners and liars and buffoons. So of course that would include you, the biggest whiner of all. I suspect you're the usual mid-level 3.5 who thinks he's a 4.0 (a dime a dozen). And what's with all the bashing of your league coordinater Mr.Holierthanthou? Guess you're not so innocent after all. Waah I hate NTRP. Waah I hate the USTA. Waah I had to play with bad partners. Waah I'm going to quit tennis if I don't get bumped this year.......GrandWhiner indeed.

JavierLW
02-20-2010, 10:04 AM
So how many of your teams actually won Nationals......very few I expect. Big deal, lots of teams go to Sectionals and Nationals. And yes I do call out whiners and liars and buffoons. So of course that would include you, the biggest whiner of all. I suspect you're the usual mid-level 3.5 who thinks he's a 4.0 (a dime a dozen). And what's with all the bashing of your league coordinater Mr.Holierthanthou? Guess you're not so innocent after all. Waah I hate NTRP. Waah I hate the USTA. Waah I had to play with bad partners. Waah I'm going to quit tennis if I don't get bumped this year.......GrandWhiner indeed.

Stop exaggerating. He is not even close to being the biggest whiner on here...

Jracer77
02-20-2010, 10:18 AM
Stop exaggerating. He is not even close to being the biggest whiner on here...

Well, considering the percentage of whines compared to number of posts made he is. Just give him some time and I'm sure he'll lead in total number of whines also.

GrandBanana
02-20-2010, 12:22 PM
So how many of your teams actually won Nationals......very few I expect. Big deal, lots of teams go to Sectionals and Nationals. And yes I do call out whiners and liars and buffoons. So of course that would include you, the biggest whiner of all. I suspect you're the usual mid-level 3.5 who thinks he's a 4.0 (a dime a dozen). And what's with all the bashing of your league coordinater Mr.Holierthanthou? Guess you're not so innocent after all. Waah I hate NTRP. Waah I hate the USTA. Waah I had to play with bad partners. Waah I'm going to quit tennis if I don't get bumped this year.......GrandWhiner indeed.

...once again the Racer feels pumped up by putting people down.

Thing is...I'll get my 4.0 and be happy...but you'll still be acting like an idiot.

JavierLW
02-20-2010, 12:42 PM
Well, considering the percentage of whines compared to number of posts made he is. Just give him some time and I'm sure he'll lead in total number of whines also.

Ya, but just because he's whining about something that is completely silly doesnt mean he's the biggest whiner.

It's not like these other guys who come on here cry about how horrible the USTA League is and how it's destroyed tennis, then they disappear for three months and then come back and make a thread where they are asking for negative things to do say about it when clearly their only motivation is to complain about it and feel bad.