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BreakPoint
11-29-2009, 08:01 AM
After having watched all of Robin Soderling's matches this past week at the WTF and seeing him blow one easy sitter volley after another over and over, I am now convinced of several things:

1. Soderling is the worst volleyer in the ATP, perhaps even the worst for a pro I've ever seen.

2. More evidence that two-handed backhand players have weak volleys, especially one-handed backhand volleys.

3. That even most 4.0 players have better volleys than Soderling. :shock:

It's really a shame. With that huge serve and huge forehand, he gets a lot of weak replys that are sitters at the net but he can't take advantage of them because his volleys are so bad. He doesn't serve and volley at all even though his opponents are barely getting their racquets on the return and floating or lobbing returns back. And when he crushes a short forehand in the corner and is forced to come into the net, he usually blows the easy volley. If this guy learned how to actually hit a volley, he could easily be in the Top 5 or higher.

J011yroger
11-29-2009, 08:12 AM
Wait...you are saying that Wozniacki is a better volleyer than Soderling?

J

BreakPoint
11-29-2009, 08:20 AM
Wait...you are saying that Wozniacki is a better volleyer than Soderling?

J
Wozniacki is not in the ATP Top 1000, and wouldn't be if she played in the ATP.

With that said, she probably does volley better than Soderling, but I don't know for sure because I rarely watch her matches.

J011yroger
11-29-2009, 08:23 AM
Wozniacki is not in the ATP Top 1000, and wouldn't be if she played in the ATP.

With that said, she probably does volley better than Soderling, but I don't know for sure because I rarely watch her matches.

Ah, you said worst atp and possibly worst pro, so I was just looking for a little clarification on your stance.

J

Chadwixx
11-29-2009, 08:23 AM
Its kinda hard to volley when delpo is hitting 100+mph right at you.

Id still put it on roddick, the guy chops wood

BreakPoint
11-29-2009, 08:29 AM
Ah, you said worst atp and possibly worst pro, so I was just looking for a little clarification on your stance.

J
I meant the worst pro currently in the ATP, and when I said "worst pro I've ever seen", I mean even pros that are no longer in the ATP, like Borg.

BreakPoint
11-29-2009, 08:32 AM
Its kinda hard to volley when delpo is hitting 100+mph right at you.

Id still put it on roddick, the guy chops wood
Soderling missed easy sitter volleys where Del Po (and every opponent) was 10 feet out of the court and floating a ball back at 40mph and Soderling could have just hit the volley ANYWHERE in the court and it would have been a winner. He still missed those volleys 5 feet wide.

Anaconda
11-29-2009, 08:38 AM
Roddick is up there with soderling too.

LiveForever
11-29-2009, 08:41 AM
Roddick is up there with soderling too.
Oh hell no. Roddick has majorly improved his volleys. He is wayyy better at the net than Soderling.

BreakPoint
11-29-2009, 08:41 AM
Roddick is up there with soderling too.
I disagree. Roddick may miss some tough volleys but he makes most of the easy sitter volleys. That's why he attacks the net a lot more these days than he used to. I think he even won or made the finals of some doubles tournaments recently.

I think since Roddick's form and technique on volleys looks so ugly, a lot of people assume that he can't volley. But he actually makes most of his volleys, unlike Soderling, who can't seem to hit a volley into a wide open court if his life depended on it.

stanfordtennis alum
11-29-2009, 08:42 AM
disagree... maybe the worst in top 10 but that's it... hit with a guy 750 the other day and his volleys are worse than soderlings

BreakPoint
11-29-2009, 08:44 AM
disagree... maybe the worst in top 10 but that's it... hit with a guy 750 the other day and his volleys are worse than soderlings
That's surprising. I've watched a lot of college and futures matches where the guys can volley better than Soderling. Heck, I've seen a lot of USTA 4.0 matches where the guys can volley better than Soderling.

TMF
11-29-2009, 08:45 AM
Of the top ten players, Verdasco is the worst volleyer.

BreakPoint
11-29-2009, 08:45 AM
Of the top ten players, Verdasco is the worst volleyer.
Verdasco is bad, but not as bad as Soderling, IMO.

Cesc Fabregas
11-29-2009, 08:47 AM
He has no feel of a tennis ball, he makes Davydenko look McEnroe in the touch department.

Anaconda
11-29-2009, 08:50 AM
I disagree. Roddick may miss some tough volleys but he makes most of the easy sitter volleys. That's why he attacks the net a lot more these days than he used to. I think he even won or made the finals of some doubles tournaments recently.

I think since Roddick's form and technique on volleys looks so ugly, a lot of people assume that he can't volley. But he actually makes most of his volleys, unlike Soderling, who can't seem to hit a volley into a wide open court if his life depended on it.

It depends, i watched Roddick volley against Federer at 2009 Australian open, and it was dredful - even the volleys he was making were ok. His approaches have gotten better - hence better results up at the net.

TMF
11-29-2009, 08:50 AM
Verdasco is bad, but not as bad as Soderling, IMO.

Verdasco's bh volley is so bad(and has zero confident), he even try to avoided by going around to use the fh. Such one dimensional.

stanfordtennis alum
11-29-2009, 08:52 AM
He has no feel of a tennis ball, he makes Davydenko look McEnroe in the touch department.

thats pretty funny..

Gorecki
11-29-2009, 08:56 AM
but of course he is. in fact he missed a few sitters in that match and ATP will ban him for life because of the "Breakpoint Knows all " rule....


if only we was using Sergio Tachinni shorts from the time machine, he would be not only a great volleyer but also very well dressed..:oops:

none of those V's were worse than the almighty fed at cincy, in the racquet smashing episode... but better we forget that...

but rumour's are that he will get lessons with the great volleyer Pro coach Breakpoint......

mozzer
11-29-2009, 09:01 AM
I bet they are betetr than yours!

skip1969
11-29-2009, 09:06 AM
i like to tease when sod clangs a volley into the net or hits it six feet out . . . but let's get serious here.

who volleys well these days? the list is pretty damn short. no one spends the kind of time practicing net play that they should anymore. so it's no wonder when they get there they look out of place. it's not just the volley, it's picking the right shot to come in on, hitting a good approach, positioning yourself . . .

natural volleyers are few and far between. even moreso now that everyone would rather hit a winner from three feet behind the baseline rather than put away a volley. sod needs practice, sure . . . and so does everybody else.

Tsonga#1fan
11-29-2009, 09:54 AM
Verdasco's volley's are pretty bad. They certainly aren't helped by his inconsistent ground strokes and what I consider to be the worst second serve of any top ten ATP player in recent memory. After watching him this past week at The Masters, (I'll call it that because I think that is what it should be called) I realize he is anything but a master of anything tennis. For the life of me I can't figure out how he is a top twenty fiver let alone a top ten guy. He has to be the worst top ten ATP player since Jakob Hlasek. All players just behind him, the likes of Tsonga, Gonzo, etc., should be embarrassed and former top players like James Blake, David Nalbandian, Leyton Hewitt should find this good motivation to get back there.

Ambivalent
11-29-2009, 10:01 AM
That's surprising. I've watched a lot of college and futures matches where the guys can volley better than Soderling. Heck, I've seen a lot of USTA 4.0 matches where the guys can volley better than Soderling.

Put those 4.0s in front of Del Potro forehands and I'm sure you'll change your mind.

RCizzle65
11-29-2009, 10:32 AM
He had some good volleys at the French Open final against Federer, haven't watched him volley in this tournament though

shadows
11-29-2009, 11:00 AM
He's hit and miss, sometimes he plays a great volley, sometimes not.

Obviously attacking the net once he's dictating play is part of the game plan so I'd presume his volleying will get some work. If he becomes a better volleyer that'll just add to the threat he presents

JeMar
11-29-2009, 11:51 AM
That would be Verdasco.

BreakPoint
11-29-2009, 12:42 PM
but of course he is. in fact he missed a few sitters in that match and ATP will ban him for life because of the "Breakpoint Knows all " rule....


if only we was using Sergio Tachinni shorts from the time machine, he would be not only a great volleyer but also very well dressed..:oops:

none of those V's were worse than the almighty fed at cincy, in the racquet smashing episode... but better we forget that...

but rumour's are that he will get lessons with the great volleyer Pro coach Breakpoint......
Yes, you're absolutely right.

Federer is a worse volleyer than Soderling. :roll:

It's too bad that Sampras didn't know that when he lost to Federer at Wimbledon, and how else could Federer have won 7 Wimbledons? :oops:

BreakPoint
11-29-2009, 12:43 PM
I bet they are betetr than yours!
You're right. Every pro has a better volley than me - except Soderling. :)

BreakPoint
11-29-2009, 12:45 PM
He's hit and miss, sometimes he plays a great volley, sometimes not.

Obviously attacking the net once he's dictating play is part of the game plan so I'd presume his volleying will get some work. If he becomes a better volleyer that'll just add to the threat he presents
Yes, maybe on the forehand volley. I've yet to see Soderling make a decent backhand volley.

Cesc Fabregas
11-29-2009, 12:46 PM
Soderling is a flash in pan player. His results this week have been overrated, beat Nadal in the worst form of his life, Djoker who is exhausted, lost to Davydenko and then lost to Del Potro. Overrated form by an overrated player.

BigServer1
11-29-2009, 12:51 PM
Soderling is a flash in pan player. His results this week have been overrated, beat Nadal in the worst form of his life, Djoker who is exhausted, lost to Davydenko and then lost to Del Potro. Overrated form by an overrated player.

Lmao...A flash in the pan that's been playing really well since the French Open.

I remember hearing this from all you Nadalites after his FO win, and I'll enjoy hearing it into next season.

President
11-29-2009, 12:51 PM
Soderling is a flash in pan player. His results this week have been overrated, beat Nadal in the worst form of his life, Djoker who is exhausted, lost to Davydenko and then lost to Del Potro. Overrated form by an overrated player.

What do you mean overrated? People are rating him by how far he progressed in the tournament. He beat the #2 and #3 in the world back to back. He also had a very close match with the USO champion that could have really gone either way.

BreakPoint
11-29-2009, 12:54 PM
Put those 4.0s in front of Del Potro forehands and I'm sure you'll change your mind.
Sure, when Del Po crushes a forehand, the 4.0 player has no chance. But when Del Po or Nadal or Djokovic or Davydenko gets run wide and barely gets their racquet on the ball and floats a ball back over the net at low speed, most 4.0's would have no trouble just sticking their racquet out and hitting the ball inside the court for a winner, literally ANYWHERE inside the court would have been winners.

xFullCourtTenniSx
11-29-2009, 12:59 PM
After having watched all of Robin Soderling's matches this past week at the WTF and seeing him blow one easy sitter volley after another over and over, I am now convinced of several things:

1. Soderling is the worst volleyer in the ATP, perhaps even the worst for a pro I've ever seen.

2. More evidence that two-handed backhand players have weak volleys, especially one-handed backhand volleys.

3. That even most 4.0 players have better volleys than Soderling. :shock:

It's really a shame. With that huge serve and huge forehand, he gets a lot of weak replys that are sitters at the net but he can't take advantage of them because his volleys are so bad. He doesn't serve and volley at all even though his opponents are barely getting their racquets on the return and floating or lobbing returns back. And when he crushes a short forehand in the corner and is forced to come into the net, he usually blows the easy volley. If this guy learned how to actually hit a volley, he could easily be in the Top 5 or higher.

1) Give us a week and we'll find someone worse.

2) Once we find someone worse, Soderling will be the SECOND worst you've ever seen! :)

3) Now that's a bit harsh there! MOST have better volleys than him?! Kind of a big statement there... Perhaps 4.0 frequent doubles players.

Wozniacki is not in the ATP Top 1000, and wouldn't be if she played in the ATP.

How do we know th... Nevermind, she's a girl. :) But perhaps the men would be distracted if she puts down a lil' sumthin' sumthin'. lol

Soderling missed easy sitter volleys where Del Po (and every opponent) was 10 feet out of the court and floating a ball back at 40mph and Soderling could have just hit the volley ANYWHERE in the court and it would have been a winner. He still missed those volleys 5 feet wide.

Perhaps he was trying to be too flashy with them? Or perhaps he was trying to do too much. Delpo moves very well for someone his size, so perhaps he was afraid that just putting it back into the court (which would've been the smart idea) would've given Delpo an opportunity to get back into the point. He might not know his limits at net, and goes for shots that are outside of his abilities when he should just be bunting them into a good spot, which in this case is anywhere in the bloody lines.

But he actually makes most of his volleys, unlike Soderling, who can't seem to hit a volley into a wide open court if his life depended on it.

Well, we'll never know. Let's see someone put Soderling's life on a volley and hopefully he'll just put it into the court instead of trying for a Federer-esque, hard, angled volley winner.

That's surprising. I've watched a lot of college and futures matches where the guys can volley better than Soderling. Heck, I've seen a lot of USTA 4.0 matches where the guys can volley better than Soderling.

Like I said... They better be 4.0 doubles specialists. :shock:

BreakPoint
11-29-2009, 02:02 PM
^^^^

Most 4.0's who play USTA League tennis play mostly doubles (e.g., Adult, Mixed, Combo, etc.)

kishnabe
11-29-2009, 02:33 PM
Robin soderling is an okay volleyer and has done showestring volleys. He can improve his volleys and maybe right now they don't look great but if you see his net percentages. You can say he makes use of the net.

kishnabe
11-29-2009, 02:38 PM
Soderling is a flash in pan player. His results this week have been overrated, beat Nadal in the worst form of his life, Djoker who is exhausted, lost to Davydenko and then lost to Del Potro. Overrated form by an overrated player.

You really dislike Delpo and Soderling. You might be right that they are flash in pan but in tennis sometimes your calculations may be wrong. I believ they are the real deal. I hope soderling does well so that Swedish Kids will grow more into tennis. And i can hopefully see another Great swede PLayer that equal the likes of: Mats Willander, Stefan Edberg and Bjorn Borg.

ilikephobo
11-29-2009, 02:44 PM
..soo u guys dont think Nadal is a bad volleyer?

Cantankersore
11-29-2009, 04:03 PM
..soo u guys dont think Nadal is a bad volleyer?

Nadal is unspectacular, but very consistent. He has a good instinct for when to approach the net.

Tsonga#1fan
11-29-2009, 04:12 PM
Soderling is a flash in pan player. His results this week have been overrated, beat Nadal in the worst form of his life, Djoker who is exhausted, lost to Davydenko and then lost to Del Potro. Overrated form by an overrated player.

He may have some great results in store, but I tend to agree with you.

Cantankersore
11-29-2009, 04:35 PM
Soderling is a flash in pan player. His results this week have been overrated, beat Nadal in the worst form of his life, Djoker who is exhausted, lost to Davydenko and then lost to Del Potro. Overrated form by an overrated player.

We get it, you don't know what you're talking about, you don't have to keep demonstrating it. He lost to exactly the same players as Federer. What a terrible tournament. Anyway, at this point of the season, everybody should be fatigued so being in better form than other players should say something positive about you.