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GoDawgs2011
11-30-2009, 08:37 AM
Hope this isn't a repost.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/DEUCE-Tennis/DEUCE-Finals-2009/Fabrice-Santoro.aspx

Its really amazing that 1 guy has played 20 of the 24 #1's in the history of the game. Also, its interesting to note that the players he'd pay to go see are Sampras and Agassi but in his opinion, the greatest player he's played is Federer.

JoelDali
11-30-2009, 08:38 AM
Yeah, this was posted the other day.

rommil
11-30-2009, 08:43 AM
But thanks for reposting it. It's a great read and interesting perspective from Santoro.

GoDawgs2011
11-30-2009, 08:50 AM
Sorry guys, I looked through the last couple of days before I posted but I must have missed it. I kinda figured there was a chance it was a repost though cause this forum is pretty quick to post things like this.

Rommil: I agree, its a great read!

Cesc Fabregas
11-30-2009, 08:55 AM
Santoro seems to think Nadal and Sampras are the best he's played against not Federer.

President
11-30-2009, 09:04 AM
Santoro seems to think Nadal and Sampras are the best he's played against not Federer.

LOL. Reading comprehension fail?

I like to be on the other side of the net against Roger, because even though I know almost for sure that I'm going to lose the match, we have a good relationship outside the court. In my opinion he's the best player ever.

Pwned
11-30-2009, 09:07 AM
LOL. Reading comprehension fail?


lol Was just going to post that. Wow, fail.

fed_rulz
11-30-2009, 09:08 AM
Santoro seems to think Nadal and Sampras are the best he's played against not Federer.

really? why am i not surprised?

sureshs
11-30-2009, 09:10 AM
Santoro seems to think Nadal and Sampras are the best he's played against not Federer.

I read the opposite in the interview.

rommil
11-30-2009, 09:13 AM
LOL. Reading comprehension fail?

Cesc is actually borderlining ******ation......and that's being generous.

downs_chris
11-30-2009, 09:13 AM
good article!

jamesblakefan#1
11-30-2009, 09:14 AM
Great Article. LOL at Cesc's reading comprehension fail.

tacou
11-30-2009, 09:38 AM
only part one was up on the original post so thank you!

TMF
11-30-2009, 09:43 AM
Santoro seems to think Nadal and Sampras are the best he's played against not Federer.

Do you have to deny everything a pro player opinions when it comes to Roger is the greatest?

This isnít the first time Santoro have said Federer is the best. And it shouldnít be surprise to you or anyone.

malakas
11-30-2009, 09:44 AM
No matter the repost.The more Santoro threads there are the better!!!!:D

Cesc just reads what he wants to reads.In general this is just his way of interpreting reality.

Gorecki
11-30-2009, 09:45 AM
Cesc is actually borderlining ******ation......and that's being generous.

he thinks i'm one of the worst posters in TTW... :cry:

ps: im not one to disapoint those with special needs!

TMF
11-30-2009, 09:48 AM
Great Article. LOL at Cesc's reading comprehension fail.

Santoro isnít the only one Cesc is having comprehension problem, but he also have problem with Andre, Pete, Henman, Mac and many others.

rommil
11-30-2009, 09:52 AM
he thinks i'm one of the worst posters in TTW... :cry:

ps: im not one to disapoint those with special needs!

Actually Gorecki I share that opinion with Cesc about you that way I will have company in that list.

Gorecki
11-30-2009, 09:53 AM
Actually Gorecki I share that opinion with Cesc about you that way I will have company in that list.

oh... that is sad news!

rommil
11-30-2009, 09:56 AM
oh... that is sad news!

LOL..........hey you like Deadmau5? Saw him live at NYC the other day.

Gorecki
11-30-2009, 09:57 AM
LOL..........hey you like Deadmau5? Saw him live at NYC the other day.
:)
nope... never heard... but if you sugest, i'll look out for it!...

how do they sound?

Cesc Fabregas
11-30-2009, 09:59 AM
Gorecki and rommil, im delighted that you hold me in such high opinion.

Gorecki
11-30-2009, 10:01 AM
Gorecki and rommil, im delighted that you hold me in such high opinion.

actually i am sad... the fact that you dont like me is pretty frustrating.. we could be friends. i have lots of toys!

http://www.repositorio.lojasgratis.com.br/4216/logo.jpg

rommil
11-30-2009, 10:04 AM
:)
nope... never heard... but if you sugest, i'll look out for it!...

how do they sound?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsrcGEqWQdE


This is from the actual show and one of my fave songs on the new album. He's a DJ from Canada. Look for his other songs like Arguru and Brazil.



Oh and to make this thread relevant, Fabrice Santoro was there lol......

Gorecki
11-30-2009, 10:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsrcGEqWQdE


This is from the actual show and one of my fave songs on the new album. He's a DJ from Canada. Look for his other songs like Arguru and Brazil.



Oh and to make this thread relevant, Fabrice Santoro was there lol......

wicked sound... :)

i'll compile a few bands from my country that you might enjoy...

rommil
11-30-2009, 10:08 AM
Gorecki and rommil, im delighted that you hold me in such high opinion.

No problem Cesc. Now grab a bib, there's drool dripping on the side of your mouth.

rommil
11-30-2009, 10:13 AM
wicked sound... :)

i'll compile a few bands from my country that you might enjoy...

Thanks. I can try and do the same thing but I'm afraid you will be scarred for life.

Gorecki
11-30-2009, 10:18 AM
Thanks. I can try and do the same thing but I'm afraid you will be scarred for life.

here you go:

ranging from "trip-hop" to "afro-house" to "indie americana", a taste of the other side of my country... :)

Blasted Mechanism – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=540XKx2l_Ds

Coldfinger - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTbKxFYR4dg

Margarida Pinto (coldfinger’s vocalist) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL-cB3OIG2s
(based on a poem by fernando pessoa)

Mesa - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyaRHszKtRU

Buraka Som Sistema (feat. M.I.A.) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CkXhtw7UNk

Cacique 97 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-XiFHo78Cg

Johnwaynes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_1J1V7erjA

Tiguana Bibles - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uesIFDs7Rq8&feature=channel

DJ Ride - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gq2EukK900&feature=channel

legal free e.p. downloads of up and coming bands here: http://www.optimusdiscos.com/

Santoro would like them...

malakas
11-30-2009, 10:25 AM
Guysssssssssss...THIS is a thread about Santoro!!Have some respect!!!!!!

You can go post this all you want in the Simon Reed thread.:p ;) j/k

rommil
11-30-2009, 10:30 AM
here you go:

ranging from "trip-hop" to "afro-house" to "indie americana", a taste of the other side of my country... :)

Blasted Mechanism – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=540XKx2l_Ds

Coldfinger - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTbKxFYR4dg

Margarida Pinto (coldfinger’s vocalist) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL-cB3OIG2s
(based on a poem by fernando pessoa)

Mesa - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyaRHszKtRU

Buraka Som Sistema (feat. M.I.A.) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CkXhtw7UNk

Cacique 97 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-XiFHo78Cg

Johnwaynes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_1J1V7erjA

Tiguana Bibles - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uesIFDs7Rq8&feature=channel

DJ Ride - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gq2EukK900&feature=channel

legal free e.p. downloads of up and coming bands here: http://www.optimusdiscos.com/

Santoro would like them...

Among them I really liked Pinto and the Buraka songs but DJ Ride takes the cake for me. Thanks....



I used to listen to this band called Soulfly and I don't know why I got reminded. Oh yeah, Max sings Portugese in some songs but he's Brazilian I think ( if that's not an ignant thing for me to say lol).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtfwO_3vJD4

Fabrice listened to Soulfly earlier in his career......

rommil
11-30-2009, 10:32 AM
Sorry...........back to thread.

pame
11-30-2009, 10:48 AM
Thanks for the repost.. I had missed the article. Some really interesting and first hand (racket) insights.

Santoro seems to think Nadal and Sampras are the best he's played against not Federer.

Really Cesc, either you were going out on a limb to be a WUM (Wind-Up Merchant), or your interpretation of what Santoro says borders on the downright ludicrous!

Rhino
11-30-2009, 10:51 AM
What's amazing is that he's actually beaten 17 of them!

boredone3456
11-30-2009, 11:01 AM
What's amazing is that he's actually beaten 17 of them!

I was thinking that myself. This was a really cool article, I liked what he said about Connors especially, giving the guy credit for still being able to play good tennis at 40 years old...how many people out there would be able to hold there own against pro's half their age...not to many. This was cool, nice to see the respect for all the greats...and to see how many he has actually played.

Don't Let It Bounce
11-30-2009, 12:31 PM
Thanks for posting; I would have missed a good article otherwise.

Santoro comes across as a good-humored guy, especially by the often narcissistic standards of the pro tour. Of course, it would be weird for a humorless, angry dude to play the kind of game Santoro plays.

The tour will be lessened in his absence.

Gorecki
11-30-2009, 12:36 PM
Among them I really liked Pinto and the Buraka songs but DJ Ride takes the cake for me. Thanks....



I used to listen to this band called Soulfly and I don't know why I got reminded. Oh yeah, Max sings Portugese in some songs but he's Brazilian I think ( if that's not an ignant thing for me to say lol).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtfwO_3vJD4

Fabrice listened to Soulfly earlier in his career......

no... not at all. brazil speaks portuguese. in fact we are very close as brother countries. very litlle to none rivalries

fabrice doesnt speak portuguese but likes our country very much...:)

35ft6
11-30-2009, 01:20 PM
One day he came to me and said: "Fabrice, you will never beat me." And when a Russian says that, you know that you will never beat him.This made me LOL. It's going to be very interesting if he decides to coach. You figure it's only a matter of time before he gets to be captain of the French Davis Cup team. I wonder if they'll even let him play on the senior tour. Not that they play for real anyway, but his game would seem capable of posing some really unique problems for those guys and their creaky knees.

RalphNYC
11-30-2009, 01:25 PM
"When you play tennis, playing Federer is kind of a dream because you can see he does everything you would love to do on the court." -Santoro

Changmaster
11-30-2009, 02:19 PM
What's amazing is that he's actually beaten 17 of them!


Definitely impressive. However, what's not really impressive is that his career record is just slightly above .500 (no insult to Santoro intended, he's great fun to watch).

P_Agony
11-30-2009, 02:55 PM
Cesc, what part of "In my opinion he's the best player ever" did you not understand?

Rhino
11-30-2009, 03:13 PM
Nice that his best memory playing Federer was that 2005 US Open match, as i was there in the stadium and also have great memories of it myself.

Max G.
11-30-2009, 03:40 PM
This made me LOL. It's going to be very interesting if he decides to coach. You figure it's only a matter of time before he gets to be captain of the French Davis Cup team. I wonder if they'll even let him play on the senior tour. Not that they play for real anyway, but his game would seem capable of posing some really unique problems for those guys and their creaky knees.

I think their standards are currently "held a top 5 singles ranking, been a Grand Slam singles finalist, or a singles player on a Championship Davis Cup team." Santoro never had a top 5 ranking or a GS final. He has played singles for the French Davis Cup team, in the years that they won... but not in the final tie. Does that count? I can't tell. I would guess not, but I don't know.

35ft6
11-30-2009, 04:02 PM
Definitely impressive. However, what's not really impressive is that his career record is just slightly above .500 (no insult to Santoro intended, he's great fun to watch).Tennis is sort like MMA, where even Hall of Famers have a lot of career losses. 470 wins during a 20 year career for a guy with a two handed slice forehand is pretty impressive to me. That's .514.

Rios: .670
Moya: .645
Kuerten: .647
Courier: .681
Ferrero: .651

And he was 35-53 against the number 1 players, for a winning percentage of .397. I wonder how Santoro stacks up against other players who reached a career high of 17. His longevity is incredible.

35ft6
11-30-2009, 04:12 PM
I think their standards are currently "held a top 5 singles ranking, been a Grand Slam singles finalist, or a singles player on a Championship Davis Cup team." Santoro never had a top 5 ranking or a GS final. He has played singles for the French Davis Cup team, in the years that they won... but not in the final tie. Does that count? I can't tell. I would guess not, but I don't know.Ahhh, I thought you just had to be on a winning Davis Cup team. Maybe they'll make an exception for him the way they did for Bahrami, Haarhuis, Bates, Steeb, Ferreira, and Novacek. I hope so. I would like to see him play in person someday.

Marty502
11-30-2009, 04:22 PM
Gotta admit that what he said about Marcelo Rios made me feel warm and fuzzy.

"He's one of the biggest talents we ever had in tennis in my opinion".

Thanks Fabrice, I knew it already but it's good to have some feedback. :D

Max G.
11-30-2009, 04:37 PM
Ahhh, I thought you just had to be on a winning Davis Cup team. Maybe they'll make an exception for him the way they did for Bahrami, Haarhuis, Bates, Steeb, Ferreira, and Novacek. I hope so. I would like to see him play in person someday.

Well, some of those probably got in by wildcards - each tournament is also allowed one wildcard, can be given to anyone.

But Ferreira seems to be a regular, and I don't think he ever got to #5 or a Grand Slam Singles final or a winning Davis Cup tie. So maybe they do just make exceptions when they feel like it. I don't get it. Good call.

(I just got the qualification information off the champions series website, but I don't see them following their own rules now that I look at the player list...)

bruce38
11-30-2009, 05:05 PM
A professional player who's played so many #1's. His opinion really counts. Pretty good proof that Fed is way better than Sampras.

Outbeyond
11-30-2009, 05:18 PM
Hope this isn't a repost.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/DEUCE-Tennis/DEUCE-Finals-2009/Fabrice-Santoro.aspx

Its really amazing that 1 guy has played 20 of the 24 #1's in the history of the game. Also, its interesting to note that the players he'd pay to go see are Sampras and Agassi but in his opinion, the greatest player he's played is Federer.

Even if it was posted earlier, I missed it, so I appreciated this chance to catch the article. Very interesting, fun to read! Thanks for sharing it.

JeMar
11-30-2009, 05:19 PM
I believe only the first set of number ones was posted, so this thread is good. I enjoyed reading this second set.

Changmaster
11-30-2009, 05:30 PM
A professional player who's played so many #1's. His opinion really counts. Pretty good proof that Fed is way better than Sampras.


I agree, Santoro's opinion that Fed is the GOAT certainly counts more than any of us here, and even more than most tennis experts. He is one of the few players to have played Sampras and Fed in both their primes, and considering how many other tennis greats he has played, he would definitely have valuable insight on who is the better player. Even though Agassi was by far a greater player than Santoro, and also played both Samp and Fed in their primes (and also thinks Fed is better than Samp), Santoro's opinion would probably be worth even more than Agassi's because you could say that Agassi might be biased towards Fed since he likes Fed more than Samp. I would think Santoro would have a much more neutral, fair opinion of each player, since he has huge respect for both men, and would be one of the most qualified people on earth to judge who's better, Fed or Samp.

What's more, his record against Sampras and Federer speaks volumes: 3-4 against Sampras, just about 50/50, whereas he is only 2-9 against Fed, with both of Fed's losses coming in 1999 and 2002, both well before Fed's prime.

35ft6
11-30-2009, 06:06 PM
^ I think it could more easily be argued that Agassi was biased towards Sampras, the man who prevented Agassi himself from being in the GOAT conversation and defeated him several times when he was at his "peak." He's always spoken well of Pete. Not sure what he said in the book, but Pete and Agassi always used to say of the other "he brings out the best in me... the matches with him are the most special."

A reason Santoro's opinion might count for more, though, IMO, is because he didn't have any real weapons, he really had to analyze a player, figure out what bothered him, as opposed to somebody like Agassi who could go out there thinking "if I play my game I can beat anybody and most likely will." Santoro had to identify weaknesses and ways to exploit weaknesses, so when he says a player is better, he's really given it some thought. I certainly agree, Changmaster, that his opinion is special. It really does count more than almost any player I can think of. He's an incredible strategist whose career spanned two decades. I will buy any book about tennis he writes.

GoDawgs2011
11-30-2009, 09:08 PM
Thanks for all the kind comments everyone, despite my quasi-reposting. I'm just glad I could make some type of contribution to the boards.

That is interesting that he has beaten 17 out of 20 #1's at one point in his career yet has a losing record overall. My 2 cents on this phenomenon:

1. this shows that when you play a game based on craftiness and guile vs. shotmaking and don't have any great shots as weapons yourself, there's always the chance that the other guy could come out on fire and just destroy you, given that I'd expect 99% of those in the top 200 on the ATP tour to have this ability on any given day.

2. However, the fact that he has beaten 17 of the top 20 speaks volumes about how playing good defense and understanding how to construct points, even at the pro level, can overcome inferior strokes. I feel like these are lessons I can learn in my own game as sometimes, I get too caught up in the shots and not enough about playing good defense, making the other guy hit 1 more shot, and other intangibles (mainly good ole fashioned court sense and general high tennis IQ).

Anyway, it is a bit sad, to me at least, that there will probably never be another player like him. I honestly believe it takes a special talent to play the type of game he did and stay on the tour for as long as he did since he had to be pretty much spectacular in certain parts of his game to make for the severe deficiencies in others. Sure, there will be other quirky players in the future but I honestly don't think any one will play the type of game he did and I for one will miss his contribution to the game.

Don't Let It Bounce
12-02-2009, 03:03 AM
I think their standards are currently "held a top 5 singles ranking, been a Grand Slam singles finalist, or a singles player on a Championship Davis Cup team." Santoro never had a top 5 ranking or a GS final. He has played singles for the French Davis Cup team, in the years that they won... but not in the final tie. Does that count? I can't tell. I would guess not, but I don't know.Y'know, when you think about it, it's odd that one's (past) playing skills in an individual sport would be the determining factor for a team leadership job that doesn't include playing. Doesn't it seem like Santoro's proven ability to analyze an opponent's game and come up with an unexpected way to beat a superior player would be deal-clinchers?

Ah well... I'm not a tennis federation official; perhaps these matters are beyond me...

Changmaster
12-02-2009, 05:12 AM
Y'know, when you think about it, it's odd that one's (past) playing skills in an individual sport would be the determining factor for a team leadership job that doesn't include playing. Doesn't it seem like Santoro's proven ability to analyze an opponent's game and come up with an unexpected way to beat a superior player would be deal-clinchers?

Ah well... I'm not a tennis federation official; perhaps these matters are beyond me...


I think you're confusing the requirements to be a Davis Cup coach and the requirements to play on the Senior ATP Champions Tour. I know of no reason why Santoro wouldn't be allowed to coach a Davis cup team, and if he has been on a winning Davis cup team, then he is eligible for the sr. tour as well.

Agassifan
12-02-2009, 05:33 AM
Santoro seems to think Nadal and Sampras are the best he's played against not Federer.

you got to be ****ing ********. This is what he said about federer

" In my opinion he's the best player ever. When you play tennis, playing Federer is kind of a dream because you can see he does everything you would love to do on the court. "

zapvor
12-02-2009, 06:05 AM
santoro for GOAT

Don't Let It Bounce
12-02-2009, 02:17 PM
I think you're confusing the requirements to be a Davis Cup coach and the requirements to play on the Senior ATP Champions Tour. I know of no reason why Santoro wouldn't be allowed to coach a Davis cup team, and if he has been on a winning Davis cup team, then he is eligible for the sr. tour as well.Ah, right; I misread. Thanks for the correction. Apparently successfully reading a TT thread is also beyond me!

I could imagine the privately-sponsored senior tours bending the rules to let FS in, even if he didn't qualify. He brings the entertainment, like Mansour Bahrami used to.

RCizzle65
12-02-2009, 06:44 PM
There's requirements for the senior tour? Didn't know that...

Ledigs
12-02-2009, 06:48 PM
Feds not the best nadal has played against