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Homey
11-30-2009, 08:39 AM
How do you appeal your rating?

How long does it take to find out your results after the appeal? If denied, do they tell you why?

Thanks.
Homey

Kostas
11-30-2009, 09:08 AM
go here and log in with your USTA Number:

http://tennislink.usta.com/leagues/

Then go here and put in your USTA Number at the top:

http://tennislink.usta.com/leagues/reports/NTRP/FindRating.asp

Then you will see an option for a rating appeal.

The auto-appeal results are instant but they just tell you you're not eligible because you are more than .05 or something from the next level.

innoVAShaun
11-30-2009, 09:25 AM
Let us know what it says after you've tried.

It's been denying everyone here in the Norfolk / Virginia Beach area lol :).

Kostas
11-30-2009, 09:27 AM
I was bumped to 3.5 and tried to appeal last night...was denied...

A teammate of mine was also bumped to 3.5 and his appeal was successful last night. But he's the only one out of 5 that appeal that made it.

OrangePower
11-30-2009, 10:18 AM
Ratings are barely out and the appeals are starting... for those of you that don't already know, the USTA is severely restricting appeals this year - appeals will be denied for players having played 6 or more matches against rated players in the prior year's qualifying season(s). So if you played more than a handful of matches, your chances of successfully appealing are pretty slim.

jmnk
11-30-2009, 11:24 AM
I'm not really into this ranking thingy - so I don't quite get it. So people complain because they are being ranked --higher-- vs. what they feel they should be? I thought the purpose is to get better so if the ranking reflects you are getting better - isn't that a --good-- thing?

sphinx780
11-30-2009, 11:47 AM
I'm not really into this ranking thingy - so I don't quite get it. So people complain because they are being ranked --higher-- vs. what they feel they should be? I thought the purpose is to get better so if the ranking reflects you are getting better - isn't that a --good-- thing?

You seem to get it more than most ;-)

A lot of times, it comes down to people wanting to be ranked where they can win instead of being ranked at a level where they are competing evenly.

gordo
11-30-2009, 01:11 PM
I should have been bumped from 3.0 to 3.5 but was changed from 3.0C to 3.0B (Benchmark). I had equal to or better match results to those people on my team. I even had one of my doubles team mates get bumped up to 3.5. Both of us each only had one loss and it was when we were teamed up! I want to move up with my team so I can stay with them. I tried the automatic appeal was rejected. If I appeal to my Section Director will I have any luck getting a Benchmark Rating bumped up?

sphinx780
11-30-2009, 01:25 PM
I should have been bumped from 3.0 to 3.5 but was changed from 3.0C to 3.0B (Benchmark). I had equal to or better match results to those people on my team. I even had one of my doubles team mates get bumped up to 3.5. Both of us each only had one loss and it was when we were teamed up! I want to move up with my team so I can stay with them. I tried the automatic appeal was rejected. If I appeal to my Section Director will I have any luck getting a Benchmark Rating bumped up?

I'm not sure if it is the same in all sections, but I am pretty sure that you are able to play higher levels. You just cannot play lower levels. IE...you can't play 2.5 as a 3.0 but you can play 3.5. In the northern section, we are allowed to play in the league above our current rating.

RelivingMyTennisYouth
11-30-2009, 02:30 PM
Why would you appeal a bump up? Just do your best and improve by playing better player (if they are better players).
If you team mate didn't get bumped, play them anyway. They can play up, and if they played with you for the past year or so, they might be better than the computer thinks.

This is a really simple thing that is shaking everyone's world. If you are out there to only dominate the level you have stagnated to, I don't think you are there to improve. And it is time to have your world rocked.

Venetian
11-30-2009, 03:47 PM
Can anyone else appeal your rating? I was bumped up, and my current team is not too happy about it, but I definitely want the new rating. I hope no one else can act on my behalf.

fe6250
11-30-2009, 05:03 PM
Why would you appeal a bump up?

In our league nearly everyone (especially the men) appeals a bump. We don't view it as a badge necessarily - your play should speak for itself (your game doesn't change just because your rating does). With a lower rating, you have more leagues available to you (you can play up a league), you are sought after for combo leagues, etc... Also - State finals in NC are played at the Pinehurst Resort and everyone wants to go!!!

Seriously - for a bunch middle-aged guys, most won't achieve beyond 4.0 or maybe 4.5 if they picked up the game in their late 30s so variety of play and a trip to Pinehurst is the lure!

BTW - Not suggesting your reasoning is wrong on how to view a bump, just explaining why a lot of people (around here anyway) continue to appeal.

fe6250
11-30-2009, 05:05 PM
Can anyone else appeal your rating? I was bumped up, and my current team is not too happy about it, but I definitely want the new rating. I hope no one else can act on my behalf.

They "Can" if they have your USTA number. BUT they aren't suppoed to and can get in trouble for it. The following is from an e-mail from our league coordinator:

IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ
No one is to appeal a rating for another player without consent of that player. A grievance can be filed and penalties may include suspension from league play.

ChipNCharge
11-30-2009, 05:15 PM
How do you appeal your rating?

How long does it take to find out your results after the appeal? If denied, do they tell you why?

Thanks.
Homey

I don't think Championship Benchmark ratings can be appealed.

amarone
11-30-2009, 05:54 PM
I don't think Championship Benchmark ratings can be appealed. Correct...

amarone
11-30-2009, 05:58 PM
Why would you appeal a bump up? To be able to continue playing on the same team. For many people it is a social thing. It can mean continuing to play with your buddies. It can mean being able to continue playing out of your subdivision (in Atlanta, many teams are based out of subdivisions), whereas there may be no team at the level you have been bumped to.

Fedace
11-30-2009, 06:15 PM
To be able to continue playing on the same team. For many people it is a social thing. It can mean continuing to play with your buddies. It can mean being able to continue playing out of your subdivision (in Atlanta, many teams are based out of subdivisions), whereas there may be no team at the level you have been bumped to.

Only problem with that is you are being UNFAIR to your opponents. you are too good at that level and you are Unfairly beating the daylights out of people that is just not as good as you...... How can you be so CRUEL ??? Are you willing to dump a few matches or just tank a few to the lesser guys to be fair ?????????:confused:

Fedace
11-30-2009, 06:16 PM
Correct...

That's right,,,, that means you are WAY too good.... and it means stop beating the brains out of guys that are not as good as you.....and these poor souls go home all Depressed and Dejected and wondering about their lives. and they can't make love to their wives cause they are so depressed and may even go on Prozac. Can you live with that ?:???:

amarone
11-30-2009, 07:00 PM
Only problem with that is you are being UNFAIR to your opponents. you are too good at that level and you are Unfairly beating the daylights out of people that is just not as good as you...... How can you be so CRUEL ??? Are you willing to dump a few matches or just tank a few to the lesser guys to be fair ?????????:confused:
Eh?

I am not sure that I follow your post at all or if it was aimed at me. I just gave a reason why a number of players that I know appealed their rating. I passed no judgment on them either way.

Fedace
11-30-2009, 07:02 PM
Eh?

I am not sure that I follow your post at all or if it was aimed at me. I just gave a reason why a number of players that I know appealed their rating. I passed no judgment on them either way.

If you are fair,, you would throw a few matches to the lesser guy to make them feel good about themselves......if you want to stay at that level...

10sguy
11-30-2009, 11:02 PM
Ratings are barely out and the appeals are starting... for those of you that don't already know, the USTA is severely restricting appeals this year - appeals will be denied for players having played 6 or more matches against rated players in the prior year's qualifying season(s). So if you played more than a handful of matches, your chances of successfully appealing are pretty slim.

Orange Power is right on with this; if you meet the criteria stated above, don't even bother trying - 'cuz it ain't gonna fly!

raiden031
12-01-2009, 04:28 AM
To be able to continue playing on the same team. For many people it is a social thing. It can mean continuing to play with your buddies. It can mean being able to continue playing out of your subdivision (in Atlanta, many teams are based out of subdivisions), whereas there may be no team at the level you have been bumped to.

Or more likely they are suffering from a case of penvy!

Cindysphinx
12-01-2009, 05:36 AM
I believe that if you successfully appeal down, you get an "A" rating instead of a "C" rating. An "A" rating is subject to three strikes DQ, whereas a "C" rating is not. If the computer thinks you are a 4.0 and you appeal down to 3.5 and start spanking your opponents, you will accumulate strikes.

Am I understanding this correctly?

Kostas
12-01-2009, 07:27 AM
Jesus Fedace, stop being a drama queen. Any auto-appeals that are granted mean you are within a previously defined acceptable level by USTA to be close enough to the lower level to continue to play and compete there - which by definition means you were not blowing people away and and beating their brains out.


I believe that if you successfully appeal down, you get an "A" rating instead of a "C" rating. An "A" rating is subject to three strikes DQ, whereas a "C" rating is not. If the computer thinks you are a 4.0 and you appeal down to 3.5 and start spanking your opponents, you will accumulate strikes.

Am I understanding this correctly?


Yes Cindy you are correct. I know far more than I care to know about the DQ system from this past spring.

HitItHarder
12-01-2009, 07:29 AM
I believe that if you successfully appeal down, you get an "A" rating instead of a "C" rating. An "A" rating is subject to three strikes DQ, whereas a "C" rating is not. If the computer thinks you are a 4.0 and you appeal down to 3.5 and start spanking your opponents, you will accumulate strikes.

Am I understanding this correctly?

An appeal down does change your rating from a "C" rating to an "A" rating, similar to how a medical appeal changes your rating from a "C" rating to a "S" rating. I also believe you are correct that you are subject to the 3 strike DQ rule because you are no longer a "C" rated player.

kennydoe
12-01-2009, 08:12 AM
Why would you appeal a bump up?

In my wife's case, there's the usual reason of "I'd rather be at the top of the ladder than the bottom" (especially at age 40+, when signifcant improvement seems unlikely), but the main reason for her is that the 4.0 teams play during the day when she has more free time - the 4.5 women's teams here play at night - more difficult to schedule. Also, and this is true for me as well, some players just play better during the day. Body starts to relax at night, tired from the day's activities and stresses.

marcl65
12-01-2009, 08:53 AM
Why would you appeal a bump up?
I know a guy who just picked up the game for this past doubles season. Never swung a racquet before that (golf was his hobby). Anyway, he self-rated at 3.0 but, because there weren't enough players for a 3.0 division, played up at the 3.5 level. He got partnered with a strong player and was able to win largely by camping out in the alley and letting his partner hit the majority of the balls - together they went 4-2. He got bumped.

Yes, he has improved. He doesn't double fault as often. He doesn't spray the ball as often. He can get the ball in play more. Because his partner had such a good serve, he was able to pounce on a lot of floaters at the net. But he can't rally longer than one or two shots - and that's on the forehand side. He'll get a backhand back *maybe* once in 5 tries. So...does that sound like a legit 3.5?

gameboy
12-01-2009, 09:09 AM
But he can't rally longer than one or two shots - and that's on the forehand side. He'll get a backhand back *maybe* once in 5 tries. So...does that sound like a legit 3.5?

That is not the correct way to think about ratings. Rating are not to evaluate your style or even ability. Ratings are there to evaluate how much you win. If you win a lot, you move up. If you lose a lot, you move down.

It does not matter if he is only winning because of his partner. The end result is that as a team they are winning enough to be competitive at 3.5. That is all the rating is saying. The rating does not care how ugly his backhand is.

As long as he keeps playing with his current partner, this is going to have zero effect on his matches. He can always bump back down by playing singles or finding a new partner.

catfish
12-01-2009, 09:17 AM
I believe that if you successfully appeal down, you get an "A" rating instead of a "C" rating. An "A" rating is subject to three strikes DQ, whereas a "C" rating is not. If the computer thinks you are a 4.0 and you appeal down to 3.5 and start spanking your opponents, you will accumulate strikes.

Am I understanding this correctly?

You are correct. All ratings can be Dynamically DQ'd except for "C" and "B" ratings. The USTA National Regs have a chart showing who can be DQ'd. Here's a link. http://www.usta.com/sitecore/content/USTA/Global/Active/Custom%20Pages/Leagues/~/media/USTA/Document%20Assets/Leagues_and_Tournaments/Leagues/2010%20League%20Regulations%20FINAL.ashx