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tennis005
12-03-2009, 11:50 AM
Do you think Serena Williams deserved that huge fine and ban from the U.S. Open?

HellBunni
12-03-2009, 12:05 PM
Do you think Serena Williams deserved that huge fine and ban from the U.S. Open?

what huge fine? $85 isn't a huge fine, since her prize money from the US Open singles alone is twice that.

what ban? she's not banned from anything

AM95
12-03-2009, 12:25 PM
what huge fine? $85 isn't a huge fine, since her prize money from the US Open singles alone is twice that.

what ban? she's not banned from anything

amen..i think you mean 85k though but yea..totally agree

she just cant do anything stupid again or she WILL be banned

Chadwixx
12-03-2009, 12:29 PM
She wont get banned because the integrity of the sport is secondary to lining their pockets.

The fine was a joke, the threat of a ban is a bigger joke.

stoo
12-03-2009, 12:40 PM
Hell yes, she deserves it! She actually deserves some form of suspension from play as a punishment and not a suspended ban as a prevention from it happening again. What she did was inexcusable, regardless if it was blamed on passion for the game in the heat of the moment. Also, the financial fine is pocket change for her. The only person who will notice that is her accountant.

boredone3456
12-03-2009, 12:50 PM
She derserved it, considering she made over $6,000,000 last year, 85k is just a drop in the bucket, for Serena that is not a huge fine at all, she is lucky she didn't get stripped of her singles winnings which were in an of themselves more than that. The warning of the ban, all for that to. Serena has an attitude that she is above such things as rules and regulations, well to use a phrase, she made her bed and now she has to lie in it.

AJK1
12-03-2009, 01:13 PM
She should have been arrested and charged.

OddJack
12-03-2009, 01:19 PM
No she did not. They should hang her from the hair at every major tournament entrance. They should make her swallow tennis balls for each word she told the linewoman and she should be given ball boy duties at the next major tournament.

dlk
12-03-2009, 01:25 PM
She deserved it. You might like her displacement of frustration hinting at her seriousness to win, but emotions are part of the game too. And she lost control, she's fortunate they did not take points away.

OddJack
12-03-2009, 01:32 PM
She deserved it. You might like her displacement of frustration hinting at her seriousness to win, but emotions are part of the game too. And she lost control, she's fortunate they did not take points away.

er..you call that emotions?

This week in washington state a black guy entered a coffee shop and killed four police officers. Such a emotional guy.
He just hated cops.

malakas
12-03-2009, 01:34 PM
No she does not.She deserves much MORE.
What she got is not what she deserved.

retlod
12-03-2009, 01:35 PM
Definitely deserved it. Should have been suspended for a certain number of events or next year's US Open. The WTA had a chance to send a message and whiffed.

woodrow1029
12-03-2009, 01:41 PM
Technically she was fined $175,000. Half of it will be waived if she doesn't commit another major offense at a grand slam in the next two years, and the onsite $10,000 fine she already was assessed went towards that, leaving an immediately due amount of half of $165,000 ($82,500).

dlk
12-03-2009, 01:44 PM
er..you call that emotions?

This week in washington state a black guy entered a coffee shop and killed four police officers. Such a emotional guy.
He just hated cops.

What are you getting at? I'm saying she really wanted to win & was frustrated, not to mention cycling:confused:

PatrickB
12-03-2009, 02:27 PM
Technically she was fined $175,000. Half of it will be waived if she doesn't commit another major offense at a grand slam in the next two years, and the onsite $10,000 fine she already was assessed went towards that, leaving an immediately due amount of half of $165,000 ($82,500).

Woodrow, am I right in thinking that this penalty is less than she would have had to pay if she had actually been defaulted from the match instead of assessed a point penalty on match point (because then she would have had to forfeit her entire singles purse)?

woodrow1029
12-03-2009, 03:31 PM
Woodrow, am I right in thinking that this penalty is less than she would have had to pay if she had actually been defaulted from the match instead of assessed a point penalty on match point (because then she would have had to forfeit her entire singles purse)?
If she had actually been defaulted, she would have forfeited ALL prize money AND ALL ranking points that she accumulated at the US Open. In addition to all the prize money, she would have received an additional fine.

She may or may not have been defaulted from the doubles finals. That would be up to the referee staff.

Andy G
12-03-2009, 03:32 PM
She should have been arrested and charged.

Charged with what? Yelling at someone. Welcome to New York. Sorry, I forgot that people aren't allowed to do that. Wait, let me guess what you're gonna say. "She said she was gonna shove the ball down her throat!". Big friggin deal. OOHHHH!! NOT THAT!!! Someone's feelings got hurt, boo hoo.

lawrence
12-03-2009, 03:39 PM
that "soft ban" was pretty much the WTA's way of making it look like they punished her without actually doing anything.

its all about the money

Jonny S&V
12-03-2009, 03:49 PM
Charged with what? Yelling at someone. Welcome to New York. Sorry, I forgot that people aren't allowed to do that. Wait, let me guess what you're gonna say. "She said she was gonna shove the ball down her throat!". Big friggin deal. OOHHHH!! NOT THAT!!! Someone's feelings got hurt, boo hoo.

Would you like your (future) kid to say that to you? I think that it was rather appalling, and the fact that she isn't well-liked by many people doesn't help her case in the least.

HellBunni
12-03-2009, 04:19 PM
Charged with what? Yelling at someone. Welcome to New York. Sorry, I forgot that people aren't allowed to do that. Wait, let me guess what you're gonna say. "She said she was gonna shove the ball down her throat!". Big friggin deal. OOHHHH!! NOT THAT!!! Someone's feelings got hurt, boo hoo.

charged with 2nd or 3rd degree menacing.
Class A carries a possible sentence of up to 1 year. Class B carries a possible sentence of up to 6 months.

http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article120.htm#120.13

this is ny state law

what she did was not yell, she made a threat.
huge difference.

jamesblakefan#1
12-03-2009, 04:25 PM
er..you call that emotions?

This week in washington state a black guy entered a coffee shop and killed four police officers. Such a emotional guy.
He just hated cops.

Yes, because yelling at a lineswoman is the same as murder. :rolleyes:

@ HellBunni, if the lineswoman did not feel it was necessary to press charges/sue Serena, and the NY State Attorney did not even look at the case, who are you to beg for criminal charges?

Chadwixx
12-03-2009, 04:28 PM
If she had actually been defaulted, she would have forfeited ALL prize money AND ALL ranking points that she accumulated at the US Open. In addition to all the prize money, she would have received an additional fine.


Safina is #1 imo. Serena should of never gotten points for the tournament. She can thank the usta. Anywhere else and she is dq'd.

Chadwixx
12-03-2009, 04:30 PM
@ HellBunni, if the lineswoman did not feel it was necessary to press charges/sue Serena, and the NY State Attorney did not even look at the case, who are you to beg for criminal charges?

Sueing the usa's #1 female while working for the usta probably isnt the best idea.


"Yes, because yelling at a lineswoman is the same as murder"

The number of fbombs and her body language was kinda scarey. It wasnt just "ill kill you", that was mixed in during the violent rage. She was getting hotter and hotter, maybe could of exploded, never know.

HellBunni
12-03-2009, 04:32 PM
Yes, because yelling at a lineswoman is the same as murder. :rolleyes:

@ HellBunni, if the lineswoman did not feel it was necessary to press charges/sue Serena, and the NY State Attorney did not even look at the case, who are you to beg for criminal charges?

it's a misdemeanor, so NY state attorney will not file charges.
filing charges is up to the lineswoman.

why she hasn't filed is something we don't know.
it might be that she signed something when getting employeed to not sue players, or she got a settlement, or she just didn't want to be in the mess anymore.

i'm mainly just pointing out what Serena did can be charged as an offense and is different from just a simple outburst or yelling or berating of the officials.

crackbillionair
12-03-2009, 04:48 PM
Charged with what? Yelling at someone. Welcome to New York. Sorry, I forgot that people aren't allowed to do that. Wait, let me guess what you're gonna say. "She said she was gonna shove the ball down her throat!". Big friggin deal. OOHHHH!! NOT THAT!!! Someone's feelings got hurt, boo hoo.


I like you, Andy. In case nobody else has, let me yell "RACISM!!!!!" Decorum on a tennis court, so hallowed and pristine, while they show clips of Nastasie hiding under the tarp vs. John McEnroe, like it's the greatest thing that ever happened. You got Nadal picking his *** left and right, hopping around like it's a boxing match @ Wimbledon...he's a terrible sportsman, if you ask me.

The double standard is staggering. Henin flat out lied and cheated on Serena at RG a few yrs back--she obviously asked for time and lied.

They did not flog her or put her through a prolonged public courtship with execution.

And Serena handled that episode with class, as she did the one with maria conchita gonzalez martinez sanchez or whatever that hack's name is...another liar.

Serena has always been villified unfairly, like a John Gotti...JK...slow white people have always been jealous of her skills and how truthful she is ("I lost b/c I didn't play well"). I hope she pays that 82-5 Randy Moss style...

STRAIGHT CASH! And then I hope she wins the AO, singles and doubles, and then eats the biggest flipping bucket of popeye's she could get her hands on.

BTW, anybody calling foot faults at that juncture of a match that important, in successive games...let me say it again...RACISM. The call is made once a month, but 2x vs. Lady S in 5 minutes?

Andy G
12-03-2009, 05:11 PM
charged with 2nd or 3rd degree menacing.
Class A carries a possible sentence of up to 1 year. Class B carries a possible sentence of up to 6 months.

http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article120.htm#120.13

this is ny state law

what she did was not yell, she made a threat.
huge difference.


Wrong. Menacing 2 requires 1 of 3 parts. 1) using a weapon, no. 2) repeats the act over a period of time, no. 3) violates a protection order, no. Menacing 3 requires the belief of imminent harm or death. Does anyone really think, lineswoman included, that Serena would kill or injure her on the Center Court of the US Open in front of many millions of viewers. Absolutely not. The law is a matter of intent. Don't make mountains of molehills. I spend 5 days a week in NYC, you haven't seen anything. In a city of 8.5 million people, maybe the cops have some really crimes to deal with. I don't know where you're from, but we don't have butlers to dry our tears with silk hankies when someone offends us. Ya know what we do. We tell the person to "F*** off", flip 'em the bird, and go on our way.

Serendipitous
12-03-2009, 05:19 PM
She should be tarred and feathered.

HellBunni
12-03-2009, 07:12 PM
Wrong. Menacing 2 requires 1 of 3 parts. 1) using a weapon, no. 2) repeats the act over a period of time, no. 3) violates a protection order, no. Menacing 3 requires the belief of imminent harm or death. Does anyone really think, lineswoman included, that Serena would kill or injure her on the Center Court of the US Open in front of many millions of viewers. Absolutely not. The law is a matter of intent. Don't make mountains of molehills. I spend 5 days a week in NYC, you haven't seen anything. In a city of 8.5 million people, maybe the cops have some really crimes to deal with. I don't know where you're from, but we don't have butlers to dry our tears with silk hankies when someone offends us. Ya know what we do. We tell the person to "F*** off", flip 'em the bird, and go on our way.

menacing 2:
1.) the way she was using the racket can be viewed as a weapon
2.) she repeated and was about to apporach her again to threaten her more when the chair called for the lineswoman

menacing 3:
1.) a life threat => threat of imminent harm

f** off and flip 'em the bird IS NOT THE SAME as threat.
this is on national TV with tons of evidence. Not a he said, she said scenario.

this isn't about someone being offended, offending someone falls under harassment.

HellBunni
12-03-2009, 07:14 PM
lol. Everybody on here wants Serena's blood 'cause she yelled at a linesperson and "threatened" to kill her and to shove balls down her throat. So what!! Hypocrites always want to act like they would not have done the same thing in the heat of the moment. We all know that had this been Hingis or Sharapova this incident would've been written off as blowing off steam. The commentators would've said their usual "oh, she's just being fiesty" and we would've moved the F on but this is Serena, She's muscular, she black, she's a threat, let's get her!!

no.
blow off steam is berating the lineswoman like ("are you f***ing blind?" "are you ********?") or breaking a racket or 2 on the ground, cursing anyone and everyone out.

once you start to threat imminent harm to someone, it's crossed the line.

jamesblakefan#1
12-03-2009, 07:47 PM
Safina is #1 imo. Serena should of never gotten points for the tournament. She can thank the usta. Anywhere else and she is dq'd.

News flash. Even w/o pts from the USO, Serena would've still finished #1 over Safina.

JoshDragon
12-03-2009, 07:56 PM
I like you, Andy. In case nobody else has, let me yell "RACISM!!!!!" Decorum on a tennis court, so hallowed and pristine, while they show clips of Nastasie hiding under the tarp vs. John McEnroe, like it's the greatest thing that ever happened. You got Nadal picking his *** left and right, hopping around like it's a boxing match @ Wimbledon...he's a terrible sportsman, if you ask me.

The double standard is staggering. Henin flat out lied and cheated on Serena at RG a few yrs back--she obviously asked for time and lied.

They did not flog her or put her through a prolonged public courtship with execution.

And Serena handled that episode with class, as she did the one with maria conchita gonzalez martinez sanchez or whatever that hack's name is...another liar.

Serena has always been villified unfairly, like a John Gotti...JK...slow white people have always been jealous of her skills and how truthful she is ("I lost b/c I didn't play well"). I hope she pays that 82-5 Randy Moss style...

STRAIGHT CASH! And then I hope she wins the AO, singles and doubles, and then eats the biggest flipping bucket of popeye's she could get her hands on.

BTW, anybody calling foot faults at that juncture of a match that important, in successive games...let me say it again...RACISM. The call is made once a month, but 2x vs. Lady S in 5 minutes?

Are you serious?! I mean really, were you trying to be serious at all, when you wrote this?

You are calling the lineswoman racist because she called a foot fault during an important point of the match? Again I'm asking you are you serious?

OddJack
12-03-2009, 08:00 PM
what ban? she didnt get any ban did she

HellBunni
12-03-2009, 08:52 PM
I like you, Andy. In case nobody else has, let me yell "RACISM!!!!!" Decorum on a tennis court, so hallowed and pristine, while they show clips of Nastasie hiding under the tarp vs. John McEnroe, like it's the greatest thing that ever happened. You got Nadal picking his *** left and right, hopping around like it's a boxing match @ Wimbledon...he's a terrible sportsman, if you ask me.

The double standard is staggering. Henin flat out lied and cheated on Serena at RG a few yrs back--she obviously asked for time and lied.

They did not flog her or put her through a prolonged public courtship with execution.

And Serena handled that episode with class, as she did the one with maria conchita gonzalez martinez sanchez or whatever that hack's name is...another liar.

Serena has always been villified unfairly, like a John Gotti...JK...slow white people have always been jealous of her skills and how truthful she is ("I lost b/c I didn't play well"). I hope she pays that 82-5 Randy Moss style...

STRAIGHT CASH! And then I hope she wins the AO, singles and doubles, and then eats the biggest flipping bucket of popeye's she could get her hands on.

BTW, anybody calling foot faults at that juncture of a match that important, in successive games...let me say it again...RACISM. The call is made once a month, but 2x vs. Lady S in 5 minutes?


yea there is racism and double standard, but it's for Serena not against

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=27146

Xavier was called foot fault, oh no, must be racism.
then he gets defaulted because the lineswoman thought he said something "bad"

Serena now on the other hand, cruses out the lineswoman and threatens her, but only gets a pt penalty.

I say it's all because she is colored and a woman, otherwise like Xavier it would've been much worst =P. So yea they are RACIST and SEXIST!!

Ripper014
12-04-2009, 09:01 AM
Are you serious?! I mean really, were you trying to be serious at all, when you wrote this?

You are calling the lineswoman racist because she called a foot fault during an important point of the match? Again I'm asking you are you serious?

Why does it always come down to race with some people...??? And why would that middle aged white lineswoman make such a call... on any point... let alone such a critical point in a match.

Not fair to Serena...? How fair would it be to Clijsters if it was not called, and it is not uncommon for Serena to be called for a foot fault... If you want to line up right up against the edge of the line you take your chances.

drakulie
12-04-2009, 09:17 AM
Hell no. She deserved far worse than what she got.

federer_FREAK
12-04-2009, 09:56 AM
menacing 2:
1.) the way she was using the racket can be viewed as a weapon
2.) she repeated and was about to apporach her again to threaten her more when the chair called for the lineswoman

menacing 3:
1.) a life threat => threat of imminent harm

f** off and flip 'em the bird IS NOT THE SAME as threat.
this is on national TV with tons of evidence. Not a he said, she said scenario.

this isn't about someone being offended, offending someone falls under harassment.

Do you honestly think a judge would believe that Serena Williams, grand slam champion, uber rich, in front of millions of viewers, is going to attack the lineswoman with her racket? She didn't even swing it at her. Thank goodness our court system is full of more reasonable people than you.

drakulie
12-04-2009, 10:00 AM
Do you honestly think a judge would believe that Serena Williams, grand slam champion, uber rich, in front of millions of viewers, is going to attack the lineswoman with her racket? She didn't even swing it at her. Thank goodness our court system is full of more reasonable people than you.


Did you really think, Serena Williams, grand slam champ, filthy rich, in front of thousands of live viewers, and millions of tv viewers was going to threaten a lineswoman with physical violence?

Bet you didn't. But it did happen.

federer_FREAK
12-04-2009, 10:01 AM
Did you really think, Serena Williams, grand slam champ, filthy rich, in front of thousands of live viewers, and millions of tv viewers was going to threaten a lineswoman with physical violence?

Bet you didn't. But it did happen.

Yea that doesn't surprise me at all, but acting on it, that's completely different.

SteveI
12-04-2009, 10:04 AM
Do you think Serena Williams deserved that huge fine and ban from the U.S. Open?

She deserved much more. The fine and ban was a joke. You need a 4th option in the poll.. Just watched the video again.. still shocking. I am sure money was passed to the linesperson or S. Williams would have been in Civil Court. The incident was an open door to lawsuits.

HellBunni
12-04-2009, 10:08 AM
Yea that doesn't surprise me at all, but acting on it, that's completely different.

thinks occurred because she let things go to her head and reason out the window.

when someone acts like that, anything is possible.

when reasonable ppl lose their reason, they let their Id take over and that's when crimes are committed.

from her words, body language, and actions, she had intent to do harm and she showed it.

federer_FREAK
12-04-2009, 10:14 AM
thinks occurred because she let things go to her head and reason out the window.

when someone acts like that, anything is possible.

when reasonable ppl lose their reason, they let their Id take over and that's when crimes are committed.

from her words, body language, and actions, she had intent to do harm and she showed it.

You can keep telling yourself that she is a criminal, but no prosecutors in NY think that she is.

SteveI
12-04-2009, 10:15 AM
thinks occurred because she let things go to her head and reason out the window.

when someone acts like that, anything is possible.

when reasonable ppl lose their reason, they let their Id take over and that's when crimes are committed.

from her words, body language, and actions, she had intent to do harm and she showed it.


"from her words, body language, and actions, she had intent to do harm and she showed it.".

Why do you think that lines person ran to the chair the 2nd time? I would say fear for her life. Watch the video..

raging
12-04-2009, 10:17 AM
Easy Drak! Serena deserved the fine and...a ban! Pity she didn't get disqualified because she totally lost control and really was on the edge...hope she gets her act together for Oz Open because the referees are going to be watching her!
If she doesn't then that will be bad luck..great player...great fighter...BUT she went too far...was very very lucky to get away with it.

SteveI
12-04-2009, 10:18 AM
You can keep telling yourself that she is a criminal, but no prosecutors in NY think that she is.

You don't think the S. Williams USTA, WTA, ITF.. Wilson etc did not fork over some cash to that lines person? Think she just went away??? Think again...

HellBunni
12-04-2009, 10:27 AM
You can keep telling yourself that she is a criminal, but no prosecutors in NY think that she is.

the act is a misdemeanor, whether there were charges or not is another matter. like you said, they probably have bigger fish to fry and didn't bother, but that doesn't mean she didn't do any wrong.

it's like if you shoplifted and got caught, but the store employee didn't call the cops or press charges. You still committed a crime, regardless if you got charged or not.

ronjohn
12-04-2009, 10:34 AM
She deserved a bigger fine and a longer ban.

Mick
12-04-2009, 02:14 PM
i don't think they want to fine serena but she did it on live tv for the whole world to see it. the tennis officials could not just let it go because not doing anything about it would make them look really bad.

Claudius
12-04-2009, 02:30 PM
Her punishment should be to play tennis.

ronalditop
12-04-2009, 02:43 PM
She shoudve lost all the points she won in the tournament in which the incident happened, and forbid her to continue playing doubles. The fine and ban she got are completely ridiculous.

dlk
12-04-2009, 02:48 PM
She shoudve lost all the points she won in the tournament in which the incident happened, and forbid her to continue playing doubles. The fine and ban she got are completely ridiculous.

Yeah, I thought she was lucky they didn't take points; subtracting 1000points would get some players' attention.

crackbillionair
12-04-2009, 04:39 PM
Are you serious?! I mean really, were you trying to be serious at all, when you wrote this?

You are calling the lineswoman racist because she called a foot fault during an important point of the match? Again I'm asking you are you serious?


I can't be serious...LOL. Good book. I was having fun with that post. But I do believe the game is racist toward Serena. I know for a fact that I have seen 2 players CHEAT against Serena at slams.

Losing your temper and using foul language is not worse than CHEATING. Henin and the Spaniard cheating...was calculated. Then they lied to cover their cheating.

These outbursts...Johnny Mac, Tarango, Serena even, get the game on sportscenter. At that moment in time it may not be pretty, but it creates a buzz. People are talking more about this Serena thing than the real story of The Open, which was Clijsters. Johnny Mac's temper actually grew the game economically.

All of a sudden everybody is so Puritanical about cursing, but not cheating, huh? Do you really think all players would have been treated the same as Serena was?

What about with her weight? Is Kuznetsova not grotesquely fat? Why do we hear so much about Serena's weight and so little about Kuznetsova? Chrissie Evert hasn't written an open letter in SI to Kuznetsova. Mary Carillo didn't spend an entire fortknight trashing Kuznetsova's weight, only to have to eat major crow when Serena won that AO.

imalil2gangsta4u
12-04-2009, 04:49 PM
She should have been arrested and charged.

Get a life. Yes she should be fined and the "ban" seems fair.

flyinghippos101
12-04-2009, 05:35 PM
You forgot the 'punishment should've been more severe' option. ITF seems to be all about the cash rather than the integrity

crackbillionair
12-04-2009, 07:23 PM
yea there is racism and double standard, but it's for Serena not against

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=27146

Xavier was called foot fault, oh no, must be racism.
then he gets defaulted because the lineswoman thought he said something "bad"

Serena now on the other hand, cruses out the lineswoman and threatens her, but only gets a pt penalty.

I say it's all because she is colored and a woman, otherwise like Xavier it would've been much worst =P. So yea they are RACIST and SEXIST!!


Serena threat = frustration from an intense competitor
Henin cheats against Serena = Yay! Henin won the FO!
The Spaniard cheats against Serena = Oh, give her a break, she was fighting for her life and she had no chance anyway.

Xavier Malisse? Best known for a terrible hairdo? What GS match was he ever really a relevant part of? I'm not gonna watch your link, but I appreciate you attaching it, truly. I've seen enough shwaggy guys like him. So let me apologize if not watching the link makes my next comment ignorant, but I suspect the stage was nowhere near as grand as prime time vs. Clijsters at the USO.