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UW_Husky88
12-05-2009, 09:03 PM
Wow, Nebraska really choked away this one. I feel like Texas should drop and TCU should be in, but the stupid pollsters will be too stupid to actually rank teams based on performance, so the NC will once again be a ***** show with the SEC murdering an overrated Big 12/Big 10 team. Texas can play 2 atrocious games back to back, have a lackluster season, play against El Paso High School for OOC play and gets into the NC because of their PRESEASON RANKING. What garbage. Can we get a playoff now?

borg number one
12-05-2009, 09:11 PM
Are you serious? Texas won the big 12 conference and is now 13-0. They beat teams like Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, a tough Nebraska squad with one of the nation's best defenses, A&M at Kyle Field, Kansas, and Texas Tech. Plus the other 7 wins. Outside of the SEC, the Big 12 is one of the toughest conferences in the nation. It's probably about the 3d toughest conferences in the Nation (2nd toughest in recent years, and THE TOUGHEST a few years ago). Oklahoma (not this year) and UT have been very good for years. UT won the national title just 5 years ago and is back in the title game. Their defense is one of the nation's best, and they're offense (not tonight) is also very potent (McCoy to Shipley especially). How can you argue that TCU is a better team than UT? According to who? By what measure?

Who have they beat this year that compares with going 13-0, and winning the Big 12?

BigServer1
12-05-2009, 09:39 PM
Texas deserves to be there...TCU is impressive, but not moreso than being 13-0 in the Big XII.

UW_Husky88
12-05-2009, 09:53 PM
Are you serious? Texas won the big 12 conference and is now 13-0. They beat teams like Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, a tough Nebraska squad with one of the nation's best defenses, A&M at Kyle Field, Kansas, and Texas Tech. Plus the other 7 wins. Outside of the SEC, the Big 12 is one of the toughest conferences in the nation. It's probably about the 3d toughest conferences in the Nation (2nd toughest in recent years, and THE TOUGHEST a few years ago). Oklahoma (not this year) and UT have been very good for years. UT won the national title just 5 years ago and is back in the title game. Their defense is one of the nation's best, and they're offense (not tonight) is also very potent (McCoy to Shipley especially). How can you argue that TCU is a better team than UT? According to who? By what measure?

Who have they beat this year that compares with going 13-0, and winning the Big 12?

Like OU without Sam Bradford for most of the game? Like Okie State without Dez Bryant? Like Nebraska who has NO offense and gave them the game?

EDIT: I really don't think UT or the Big 12 is that good this year, but now that I think about it, they did beat USC when no one gave them a shot, so who knows.

dlk
12-05-2009, 10:27 PM
There are 11 conferences. Take 11 conference winners, then use BCS formula to take the top 5 at-large. You get an even 16 teams. Seed based on BCS formula, and there will never be anyone getting scewed (okay, maybe at-large #6 could complain, but they should have won their conference, like TCU, Cincy, & Boise st. did). Once BCS comes out tomorrow, I'll demonstrate how this year would look.

UW_Husky88
12-05-2009, 10:58 PM
There are 11 conferences. Take 11 conference winners, then use BCS formula to take the top 5 at-large. You get an even 16 teams. Seed based on BCS formula, and there will never be anyone getting scewed (okay, maybe at-large #6 could complain, but they should have won their conference, like TCU, Cincy, & Boise st. did). Once BCS comes out tomorrow, I'll demonstrate how this year would look.

I love that idea, but that would take ages to finish. I vote that there is 8 teams, single elimination, BCS for rankings/who gets in. The 16 team thing would be ideal, but I doubt they will ever approve of that.

tricky
12-05-2009, 11:09 PM
I actually think both Cincy and TCU could beat any team, including Bama and Texas. But Texas definitely deserves to be in there. You can't use the OU or Texas A+M games against them, because they are rivalry games and in college football, records always go out the window. Same with Bama and Auburn. Traditions in college football can transcend talent. I predicted a close game between Texas and Nebraska (and at one time, Texas vs. Nebraska was also a rivalry); the latter's defense is no joke. They messed up in the end, but let's face it -- they were playing out of their frigging minds for almost the entire game.

In terms of Sagarin ratings, the ranking of conference this year:

1) SEC (no surprise)
2) Pac-10 (don't agree, but I would gladly put Oregon against any team in the country)
3) ACC (Georgia Tech's defense would be a nightmare for most teams not named Bama)
4) Big East
5) Big 12 (seems counterintuitive, but this does reflect OU's fall this year.)
6) Big 10 (no argument here, even though I'm a tOSU diehard)

tricky
12-05-2009, 11:22 PM
so the NC will once again be a ***** show with the SEC murdering an overrated Big 12/Big 10 team.

OU and Florida was very competitive. If OU actually converted on those 2 goal-line stands, they might have won that game.

I think Bama should beat Texas decisively (Texas's offense has been held down by good defenses the past 2 season, they don't have balance), but I don't know how Bama will be after one month off. Last year's loss to a fast Utah team was disturbing. I've never seen a more ill-prepared Saban squad in a bowl game, and I consider myself a Saban homer.

soyizgood
12-05-2009, 11:39 PM
Looks like we'll get 2 non-BCS schools in the big bowls. Congrats to TCU AND Boise St.


Alabama proved me wrong and stood up to Florida. They should be the favorites vs. Texas.
Texas did not impress me at all against Nebraska. A series of unfortunate events for the Huskers in the end (kickoff out of bounds, 15 yd horse-collar penalty, 1 extra second on the clock).
Florida will get the 1st at-large, though they looked very vulnerable and sloppy vs Alabama.
TCU did its part. I'm curious to see who they get pitted against. Can likely beat Cincy, Boise St, or Georgia Tech. Not sure though against Florida.
Cincy had to pull off a comeback just to get in. I'd say they're the weakest of the BCS participants.
Boise St. had everything play out (they won, so did Oregon and Texas). Dangerous team but haven't faced a tough team besides Oregon.
Oregon came out of the PAC-10 8-1. Pretty good considering how unpredictable that conference went. Their defense is quick, but suspect. I doubt Ohio St. is looking forward to facing that running attack.
Ohio St. got through a ho-hum Big-10. I still think Prior is a poor man's Vince Young, but they do have speed. I just think Oregon is better-coached.
Georgia Tech gets to defend the ACC's honor. Seeing that the ACC is 2-9 in BCS bowls, not too much pressure on her. Very good at controlling the ball.
Iowa fizzled after their crazy start. Now that I think about it, they're weaker than Cincy. They better hope they don't get paired with Florida, Boise St, or TCU.

tricky
12-05-2009, 11:47 PM
I doubt Ohio St. is looking forward to facing that running attack.

Personally I think tOSU will do a good job against Oregon. They handle spread offenses pretty well, be it Penn State or Texas. Now, I don't think Prior will be able to handle Oregon's defense at all. So just like last year, tOSU will lose because Prior isn't ready.

Alabama proved me wrong and stood up to Florida.

I completely underestimated Dunlop's absence. Totally didn't see Bama's offense just dominating the FU defense like that. Then again, time and time again, we know that FU's ultra-fast, but undersized front can be vulnerable to a all-out power running game. And that is what they got against Bama.

Cincy had to pull off a comeback just to get in. I'd say they're the weakest of the BCS participants.

Yeah, Pitt blew this one, but I also thought Cincy was dealing with the pressure of not having a steady QB and being Big East frontrunners all season. Provided that the Kelly-ND situation will not be a distraction (haha, fat chance), they'll be much steadier going into the BCS.

Georgia Tech gets to defend the ACC's honor.

Love Georgia Tech's triple option run offense. It's so old school, it's the future. :D They'll be a really, really tough matchup against any team.

jamesblakefan#1
12-06-2009, 01:20 AM
Man Boise St better not get hosed. They beat the Pac 10 champs earlier this year, and won out, if that's not enough to get a BCS bowl bid, this whole thing is a bigger sham than usual.

The need for a playoff is a given. This yr w/ so many undefeated teams, it's a shame there won't be a true #1 team undisputed. CFB is losing fans every year the BCS continues to exist. It's the biggest mockery in sports, by far IMO.

tricky
12-06-2009, 02:53 AM
And the fact that Boise State took out OU validated them as a giant killer. It's not that Boise State doesn't try to play better teams; nobody will play them. Who wants to be Oregon?

CFB is losing fans every year the BCS continues to exist.

Not so sure about that. The BCS gives the regular season more importance than any other sport, and the sheer arbitrariness of it gives sports radio plenty of fodder.

It did serve one purpose though. The mid-major schools are now in the conversation with the major conferences.

seffina
12-06-2009, 05:54 AM
I don't care about the bowls, I just want to get Suh for my NFL team. He's a meast.

seffina
12-06-2009, 05:57 AM
Man Boise St better not get hosed. They beat the Pac 10 champs earlier this year, and won out, if that's not enough to get a BCS bowl bid, this whole thing is a bigger sham than usual.

The need for a playoff is a given. This yr w/ so many undefeated teams, it's a shame there won't be a true #1 team undisputed. CFB is losing fans every year the BCS continues to exist. It's the biggest mockery in sports, by far IMO.
Yeah, but a Big Ten team like Iowa's going to travel far better than Boise St fans. Iowa's probably going to get the best at large spot because of that.

I just hope Boise St, TCU, and Cincy win their bowl games.

ttbrowne
12-06-2009, 08:02 AM
Looks like we'll get 2 non-BCS schools in the big bowls. Congrats to TCU AND Boise St.


Florida will get the 1st at-large, though they looked very vulnerable and sloppy vs Alabama.



Vulnerable and sloppy? Let me put it another way.

Alabama kicked the livin' s*** out of 'em!

Okay, there.

jaggy
12-06-2009, 08:07 AM
National championship play off now.

jamesblakefan#1
12-06-2009, 09:45 AM
Not so sure about that. The BCS gives the regular season more importance than any other sport, and the sheer arbitrariness of it gives sports radio plenty of fodder.

It did serve one purpose though. The mid-major schools are now in the conversation with the major conferences.

I'm not buying this. The bowl games are less legitimate, because they are played so long after the regular season is over. (Nearly a month). Imagine playing an entire season continuously, then taking a month off, just to come back and play the biggest game of your season. Doesn't make any sense. All these weeks these meaningless bowl games are going on (which there are too many of, another problem w/CFB), there could be a playoff going on.

And yes the mid-majors are in the conversation. But they aren't on a level playing field. You'll never see a George Mason in CFB. That's one of the problems with the season. The preseason rankings are a joke most of the time. You can't tell from the start of the year who the good teams are going to be, unless its like FLA and you have a guy like Tebow returning. But didn't TEN start one year at #2 and then not even make a bowl game? That's just one of the problems w/CFB.

Anyways, the amt of disdain for the BCS is overwhelming. A school like Boise ST or TCU should be content w/ just being in the conversation, but not getting a fair shot at the Nat'l Championship? I don't think that's a fair system.

jamesblakefan#1
12-06-2009, 04:59 PM
And the BCS committee puts the two small schools against one another...TCU vs BSU. Another reason to hate the debacle that is the BCS. They put the mid majors against one another, to save another embarassment ala OU and ALA over the past few years.

YULitle
12-06-2009, 05:19 PM
I stopped following the BCS crap after OU got in and not Texas (last year?).:thumbsdown:

I like the idea of a playoff, but I think who goes to said playoff should be decided in a BCS-like way. Know what I mean? I think it's a good compromise. This way, every regular season game counts, and we still have a playoff.

r2473
12-06-2009, 05:26 PM
Love Georgia Tech's triple option run offense. It's so old school, it's the future. :D They'll be a really, really tough matchup against any team.

Iowa is hard to run against. Should be a low scoring defensive battle.

GO HAWKS!!!!

http://hawkeyesgameday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/hawkeye1.jpg

dlk
12-06-2009, 05:48 PM
I love that idea, but that would take ages to finish. I vote that there is 8 teams, single elimination, BCS for rankings/who gets in. The 16 team thing would be ideal, but I doubt they will ever approve of that.

Yeah, I could go for even a 8 team playoff. But if DIV II & III can do it, why not the Big Boys? We all know it's money. Right now, BCS is not out, but current 5 at-large teams in my scenario are:Florida, VT, Penn St., Iowa, & LSU. With my scenario 16Troy would face 1Alabama in firat round.

dlk
12-06-2009, 06:25 PM
BCS out: See my previous post on how I arrived with these teams & seedings:

1 Alabama--------------------- 2 Texas
16 Troy----------------------- 15 Central Michigan
8 Ohio St----------------------. 7 Oregon
9 Georgia Tech----------------- 10 Iowa
4 TCU-------------------------- 3 Cincy
13 Penn St.--------------------- 14 East Carolina
5 Florida------------------------ 6 Boise St.
12 LSU------------------------- 11 Virgina tech

BigServer1
12-06-2009, 10:32 PM
16 teams is far too many for a playoff...I don't need to see 3 and 4 loss teams or the Conference USA champ playing for a national title...If a team like that schedules a good out of conference and runs the table, then they could be in the conversation, but I can't handle 16 teams...Too many.

Ideally it would be 4-8 teams...4 teams if you play out the BCS games and then go from there, 8 if you start with the final BCS standings and then have the top 8 play it out.

Some analysts think that we're a couple years away from a +1, which is a de facto 4 team playoff, which would be better than nothing at this point.

Fedace
12-06-2009, 10:39 PM
TCU should be playing Texas NOT Alabama........

jamesblakefan#1
12-06-2009, 10:53 PM
My ideal system would be a 6-team playoff over the course of 3 weeks starting the third week of December. The top 2 teams in the BCS would get a bye for the first round of the playoff. The games would be #3 vs #6 & #4 vs #5. Semi-final games would be played Christmas Eve, and the National Championship game would be on New Years Day.

This would eliminate the problem of so much time between the regular season and the NC game. Also in this system the bowls could remain in place. One site would host both a first round game and the NC game, while the other sites of the 4 major bowls would host the remaining games.

In this system the matchups this year would have been:

#3 TCU vs #6 Boise St
#4 Cincinnati vs #5 Florida

#1 Alabama would play the lowest ranked winner
#2 Texas would play the second lowest ranked winner

I choose 6 because in any given season, this is usually the number of teams that have a legitimate strong case for a Nat'l Championship shot.

tricky
12-07-2009, 12:35 AM
Iowa is hard to run against. Should be a low scoring defensive battle.It's a great matchup. Best run attack this year vs. great run defense.

And yes the mid-majors are in the conversation. But they aren't on a level playing field. You'll never see a George Mason in CFB.Right, but the point is, the mid-majors used to never be in the conversation at all. It's changed so much since the 90s. The BCS enabled the mid-majors to at least complain about the situation, and the mainstream media's starting to go with the times.

The bowl games are less legitimate, because they are played so long after the regular season is over.The BCS games, yes. But bowl season starts up in less than 2 weeks. For the majority of teams, it's a reward for having a decent season, and a decent way to pocket some extra cash. Also, the bowl season helped mantain inter-conference and regional rivalries. The BCS really was just designed to schedule good games during January and to schedule a "title game." I agree a playoff season should be implemented, but at the same time I disagree with people that bowl games are meaningless. There are too many, but they've been a unique tradition of D1 football for a long time.

Anyway, I strongly think a 16-game playoff is eventually the way they'll go. They might do +1 for years, but a 4-game playoff means that in a situation with no undefeated teams, you'll have 2 major conferences that are left out. If you do a 6-game playoff, you may get complaints about selections about best-record teams that didn't win their conference championship. If you go 8-game playoff, you'll get heartburn over the selection of 2nd tier teams. Each solution will create a new problem.

If you go 16-game playoff, yes, you'll have not-so-great teams in the playoffs, but you'll also have something like the first week of March Madness where a low level team will upset a top 5. After all, remember that the top 16 teams usually represent the top 2 or 3 teams in any given conference. And conference rivalries are still conference rivalries. For week one, you can seed teams according to region and take advantage of that. There will be high regional interest, since they would come so soon after the conference championships, just as in D1 basketball.

Will it make everybody happy? No, for one thing, if they try to keep all the bowls, it'll be impossible to adequately fill all the seats in the lower tiers, since team fans would have to make travelling plans again and again. Also, it'll be a challenge to sell to the TV networks, since each one probably want to get dominant rights for the playoff series (like what CBS has with March Madness.) However, it's also a challenge for any one or two networks to deploy that many broadcasting crews for all the bowls, given the travel and need for top tier name brand recognition.

But the advertising money will be huge, and possibly it may eventually make D1 football the most popular sport in the country. That sounds outlandish, but you can imagine college football madness combined with March Madness? The gambling alone will be off the charts.

dlk
12-07-2009, 04:48 AM
My ideal system would be a 6-team playoff over the course of 3 weeks starting the third week of December. The top 2 teams in the BCS would get a bye for the first round of the playoff. The games would be #3 vs #6 & #4 vs #5. Semi-final games would be played Christmas Eve, and the National Championship game would be on Christmas Day.

This would eliminate the problem of so much time between the regular season and the NC game. Also in this system the bowls could remain in place. One site would host both a first round game and the NC game, while the other sites of the 4 major bowls would host the remaining games.

In this system the matchups this year would have been:

#3 TCU vs #6 Boise St
#4 Cincinnati vs #5 Florida

#1 Alabama would play the lowest ranked winner
#2 Texas would play the second lowest ranked winner

I choose 6 because in any given season, this is usually the number of teams that have a legitimate strong case for a Nat'l Championship shot.

I could live with this.

ttbrowne
12-07-2009, 06:32 AM
I think with a playoff you'd lose what college football is all about...the fan experience. It would turm into a Super Bowl type atmosphere. Most of the tickets would be sold to corporations instead of true fans.

If you ever go to a Super Bowl, most of the crowd is there just because. They root for a particular team but most couldn't care less. Compared to a Mich-Ohio St, OU-Tex, Ala-Aub, Fla-Georgia...it's really tame.

A playoff system would ruin college football.

borg number one
12-07-2009, 06:43 AM
I'd just like to say that many people are selling UT short if they think they're somehow overmatched vs. Alabama. I think it will be a very competitive game most likely and UT may very well win it all, especially if their Offense is clicking.

It may become Mark Ingram vs. McCoy/Shipley, sort of like R. Bush vs. V. Young when UT beat USC, remember? UT is extremely quick and strong on defense, so don't think they'll just get "rolled over" very easily.

Its Offense was the highest scoring Offense in the country over the course of the season. In addition, don't forget that the Texas Defense played about as well as the Nebraska's in this last game, making one big play after another in this last game.

Texas' Defense is rated among the top Defenses in the country. I believe UT has won the past five bowl games, so it knows how to get ready for bowl games.

Besides, they did pretty well the last two times they were at the Rose Bowl, as Vince Young led them to great wins over Michigan and then USC, when they had M. Leinart and R. Bush, so it should be a great match-up between two storied programs.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:B7ysKb2aKvA9_M:http://www.austinist.com/attachments/austinist_mattwright/UT%2520tower%2520austinist.jpg


http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:0ayTJ2v1m1yzIM:http://www.ncaastrategy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/ut.png

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:9uy3le_hadbGTM:http://www.blipsy.com/graphics/layouts/University_of_texas_longhorns_thumb.jpg

Hook 'Em Horns!

Kevin T
12-07-2009, 09:13 AM
Texas was a very, very poor kickoff, followed up with a horse collar tackle from dropping out of the title hunt. I was on the fence about whether the best team was Florida, Bama or Texas but Bama showed us this past weekend. If we go on who beat who, Nebraska gave Va Tech all they wanted, in Blacksburg, and really should have won the game. Bama thoroughly dominated Va Tech (much, much worse than the score indicated-hard to swallow since I played there :() on a neutral field in Atlanta.

I'm all for a +1 at minimum, maybe a final four type setup. And College football is NOT losing fans. It's more popular than the NBA, MLB and NHL. Only the NFL gets a larger TV share rating.

borg number one
12-07-2009, 09:46 AM
Let's not just focus on the last game when evaluating a team though. Nebraska also lost three other games this season, so they may have played their game of the season.

If you've watched UT this whole season, you'll notice that when their offense is really clicking, they are very hard to stop. Just look at the total points for the season and yardage.

Every team gets "up" when they play one of the heavyweights like USC, Alabama, Florida, or Texas. Such teams often get a team's very best shot.

Kevin T
12-07-2009, 10:44 AM
Let's not just focus on the last game when evaluating a team though. Nebraska also lost three other games this season, so they may have played their game of the season.

If you've watched UT this whole season, you'll notice that when their offense is really clicking, they are very hard to stop. Just look at the total points for the season and yardage.

Every team gets "up" when they play one of the heavyweights like USC, Alabama, Florida, or Texas. Such teams often get a team's very best shot.

Sure, everyone gets "up" but apparently Bama gets "up" a little better than the Horns. :) Bama and Florida had the top two defenses this season and the Tide still hung >30 on the Gators. Nebraska has a really tough D but is famous for their lack of offense this season. I can't see Bama only getting field goals in this game. The Horns better come prepared to run because Bama's secondary is lights out.

borg number one
12-07-2009, 07:06 PM
Kevin T, I'd agree with much of your previous post. According to this article, UT's Defense was fifth overall in the country going into the Nebraska game.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/302461-pride-respect-on-the-line-for-longhorn-d-in-big-12-title-game

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/images/photos/000/768/189/90356915.jpg.25546.0_feature.jpg?1259939538


I do agree with you that UT is going to have to have both its running game and passing game to beat Alabama. They are at their best when the running game starts opening up the passing lanes for McCoy to Shipley for big receptions, as well as opening up things for their other very good receivers. Alabama does have a stout secondary, so it should be quite interesting.

texasdoc
12-07-2009, 11:48 PM
Bama nearly lost several times this year - Tennessee being the most obvious example of a narrow escape.

people put to much emphasis on the last game they saw - and admittedly UT played pretty bad and Bama played well.

But, a month from now it won't matter much, and I think UT has an excellent chance to take it all.

USC was all the talk in 2005 and we all know how that turned out.

Kevin T
12-08-2009, 08:35 AM
Bama nearly lost several times this year - Tennessee being the most obvious example of a narrow escape.

people put to much emphasis on the last game they saw - and admittedly UT played pretty bad and Bama played well.

But, a month from now it won't matter much, and I think UT has an excellent chance to take it all.

USC was all the talk in 2005 and we all know how that turned out.

Late season momentum is huge. Who else did Bama nearly lose to? The only other tight game was Auburn and they along with UT are Bama's biggest rivals. You know how rivalry games go...Texas had a very tough game with 6-6 Texas A&M and barely beat a Bradford-less OK squad. Bama beat Va Tech, LSU and Florida soundly, all final BCS top 12 teams. And I have to keep rubbing it in to you Horns fans...without a botched final kickoff from Nebraska, TCU or Cincy is going to the title game. :)

borg number one
12-08-2009, 08:44 AM
Yes, and were it not for a last second Tech pass last year, we would have been playing for the National Title against Florida last year as well (instead of OU, who we beat last year as well).

Having said that, I agree late season momentum is important, too bad there's a one month layoff for Alabama!

UW_Husky88
12-08-2009, 08:53 AM
Yes, and were it not for a last second Tech pass last year, we would have been playing for the National Title against Florida last year as well (instead of OU, who we beat last year as well).

Having said that, I agree late season momentum is important, too bad there's a one month layoff for Alabama!

Ugh, why are horns fans still complaining about the Tech game? It's not like you would have beaten Florida since you beat OU. I also distinctly remember you guys barely beating a very, very mediocre Ohio State team (USC beat them this year AT HOME) on a last minute pass. I guarantee Florida would have won last year even if you guys played them.

Kevin T
12-08-2009, 09:16 AM
Ugh, why are horns fans still complaining about the Tech game? It's not like you would have beaten Florida since you beat OU. I also distinctly remember you guys barely beating a very, very mediocre Ohio State team (USC beat them this year AT HOME) on a last minute pass. I guarantee Florida would have won last year even if you guys played them.

Yeah, Florida was gonna beat whoever was in front of them. Don't forget, the SEC is 5-0 in BCS championship games...good chance on being 6-0 with 4 championships in a row and 5 of the last 7 titles.

borg number one
12-08-2009, 09:37 AM
We'll see. I believe UT has won its last 5 bowl games, so Mack Brown knows how to get their team ready for bowl time. I agree that the SEC is the best conference going right now, no doubt, but UT has a lot of stud athletes on both sides of the ball, and don't forget how important it is to have a tough "winner" at QB. We saw that play out when Young took out the Leinart/Bush combo in that last Rose Bowl game. Ingram is great, but I think McCoy will come ready to win it all at bowl time.

Kevin T
12-08-2009, 10:10 AM
You are a good fan, Borg. I just love college football and this is my favorite time of year on the sports calendar (along with March Madness). Unlike a lot of tunnel vision fans, I really pull for all my conference teams (went to an ACC school undergrad and SEC school for grad school) and just love to watch the games. I just wish the BCS committee would have matched Boise and TCU against power conference schools.

tricky
12-08-2009, 02:29 PM
Worth reiterating that Nebraska had the best defense (in average PPG) in the Big-12 this year. And the Big-12 is loaded with exotic spread offenses, so holding down teams to 11ppg is impressive however you look at it.

Late season momentum is huge.

Due to the long, long layoff, it's difficult to predict how "up" or "mentally ready" a team will be for the bowl game. And this is true for even a championship game. It's just too long. That 1st quarter is open season for both teams.

For example, I was absolutely shocked what Utah did to Bama last year. It was like Bama suddenly forgot how to play against speed.

Then again, especially in the SEC, teams are really hurting into December. That extra month is crucial healing time for SEC teams.

In terms of pure lineup, Texas vs. Bama should be a close game. Texas's offense is overrated (though Colt McCoy is a better passer than Tebow), however their defense is very underrated. Texas led the Big-12 in defensive yards, and their run defense is GREAT.

The most important thing is turnovers. Both Bama and FU win games by generating interceptions. McCoy gave up 12 interceptions this year. Not bad, except that Texas didn't face stellar defense most weeks. If he protects the ball, though, this game could be decided in the last 3 minutes.

borg number one
12-08-2009, 03:16 PM
Yes, I agree as to all of the above Tricky. It could turn out to be one of those "classics". I like the fact that they have time to rest up, nurse any nagging injuries, and then go head to head after preparing. Plus, they do have to take finals in college, so that layoff is not a completely bad thing.

Kevin T
12-08-2009, 04:11 PM
Worth reiterating that Nebraska had the best defense (in average PPG) in the Big-12 this year. And the Big-12 is loaded with exotic spread offenses, so holding down teams to 11ppg is impressive however you look at it.



Due to the long, long layoff, it's difficult to predict how "up" or "mentally ready" a team will be for the bowl game. And this is true for even a championship game. It's just too long. That 1st quarter is open season for both teams.

For example, I was absolutely shocked what Utah did to Bama last year. It was like Bama suddenly forgot how to play against speed.

Then again, especially in the SEC, teams are really hurting into December. That extra month is crucial healing time for SEC teams.

In terms of pure lineup, Texas vs. Bama should be a close game. Texas's offense is overrated (though Colt McCoy is a better passer than Tebow), however their defense is very underrated. Texas led the Big-12 in defensive yards, and their run defense is GREAT.

The most important thing is turnovers. Both Bama and FU win games by generating interceptions. McCoy gave up 12 interceptions this year. Not bad, except that Texas didn't face stellar defense most weeks. If he protects the ball, though, this game could be decided in the last 3 minutes.

I give Utah props for beating Bama last year but their season was over when they lost to Florida in the SEC title game. That's a huge drop, from national title hopes to also-ran. Not to mention the off-the-field player issues before bowl time. Conversely, it was a pride game/reputation game for Utah, probably their biggest bowl game ever.

And Bama's secondary will shine in this game. McCoy needs to have a better game against the Tide than with Nebraska. Like I said above, Bama will do more than kick field goals. With the exception of last year's UF/OK game, the last 5 or so BCS title games have been high scoring affairs...for either one team or both. I'm going with early prediction of Bama 31-17.

texasdoc
12-08-2009, 05:04 PM
borg number one - looks like we have being Horns in common - hook em!

i left a message on the "best tennis scene" thread if you could reply when you have time - i have some questions about the GTAC. too bad there is no PM system on here.

BigServer1
12-09-2009, 01:48 AM
Texas was a very, very poor kickoff, followed up with a horse collar tackle from dropping out of the title hunt. I was on the fence about whether the best team was Florida, Bama or Texas but Bama showed us this past weekend. If we go on who beat who, Nebraska gave Va Tech all they wanted, in Blacksburg, and really should have won the game. Bama thoroughly dominated Va Tech (much, much worse than the score indicated-hard to swallow since I played there :() on a neutral field in Atlanta.

I'm all for a +1 at minimum, maybe a final four type setup. And College football is NOT losing fans. It's more popular than the NBA, MLB and NHL. Only the NFL gets a larger TV share rating.

Texas really shouldn't have won that game...Nebraska came up mentally small on that final drive.

The +1 works for me, and I really think that we're closer than people think to getting it. It's a de facto 4 team playoff (with the NC game being 2 teams and the next highest ranked teams playing for the #2 spot), and it would go a ways to settling some stuff on the field.

Honestly, I barf at the thought of a 16 team playoff with every conference champ in the game...It would be ridiculous to see that happen, and I sincerely hope it doesn't. 8 teams max and we could cycle them through the current BCS bowls with an addition game or two in the same locations. If you look at this season for instance, I think you've got 7-8 teams with legit claims that they can hang with just about anyone, and that holds true most seasons. I'm way more OK with screwing #9 than screwing #3 or #4.

I'm also really disappointed in the BCS for getting BSU and TCU in the same bowl. It should be TCU against Florida and BSU against Cincinatti. The result of this game won't tell us much, especially when TCU crushes Boise and has a legit claim at playing for a title.

Looking forward to the NC game though, and the Rose Bowl...I think the Ducks will continue the Big Ten's struggles on a national stage, but maybe I'm just too optimistic about my team ;)

cujays
12-09-2009, 08:01 AM
go ducks!!!

Kevin T
12-09-2009, 09:08 AM
Texas really shouldn't have won that game...Nebraska came up mentally small on that final drive.

The +1 works for me, and I really think that we're closer than people think to getting it. It's a de facto 4 team playoff (with the NC game being 2 teams and the next highest ranked teams playing for the #2 spot), and it would go a ways to settling some stuff on the field.

Honestly, I barf at the thought of a 16 team playoff with every conference champ in the game...It would be ridiculous to see that happen, and I sincerely hope it doesn't. 8 teams max and we could cycle them through the current BCS bowls with an addition game or two in the same locations. If you look at this season for instance, I think you've got 7-8 teams with legit claims that they can hang with just about anyone, and that holds true most seasons. I'm way more OK with screwing #9 than screwing #3 or #4.

I'm also really disappointed in the BCS for getting BSU and TCU in the same bowl. It should be TCU against Florida and BSU against Cincinatti. The result of this game won't tell us much, especially when TCU crushes Boise and has a legit claim at playing for a title.

Looking forward to the NC game though, and the Rose Bowl...I think the Ducks will continue the Big Ten's struggles on a national stage, but maybe I'm just too optimistic about my team ;)


I agree with every single word you said. I was listening to ESPN radio this morning and they were making a good case for Suh or Gerhart for the Heisman. They also made a good point that in McCoy's only two games this year against really good defenses (OK and Nebraska), he really sputtered and wasn't close to being the best player on the field. Plus, he's about to face the best D and by far best secondary of the year in Bama. I'm pulling for Suh for Heisman. After seeing him live at the Va Tech game and watching him take over the field against Texas, it would be nice to see a D player win it.

soyizgood
12-09-2009, 10:34 AM
go ducks!!!

Ditto! +1
Please don't let me down Oregon....please!

BigServer1
12-09-2009, 05:37 PM
I agree with every single word you said. I was listening to ESPN radio this morning and they were making a good case for Suh or Gerhart for the Heisman. They also made a good point that in McCoy's only two games this year against really good defenses (OK and Nebraska), he really sputtered and wasn't close to being the best player on the field. Plus, he's about to face the best D and by far best secondary of the year in Bama. I'm pulling for Suh for Heisman. After seeing him live at the Va Tech game and watching him take over the field against Texas, it would be nice to see a D player win it.

I don't think McCoy has ever deserved it...Not this year at least. I would love to see Suh win it, I think Gearhart will win and if it's Ingram I'll be disappointed.

BigServer1
12-09-2009, 05:43 PM
Ditto! +1
Please don't let me down Oregon....please!

Yeah, you and me both, let me tell you. The entire state of Oregon was ablaze last week and now we're all looking forward to the final OSU on our list. Last season we crushed Oregon State and then beat Oklahoma State in the Holiday Bowl. This season we beat Oregon State again and now we're aiming for Ohio State. I guess the Ducks just hate those initials...

In all seriousness, I think tOSU will have a big problem defending the spread. The watered down crap that they see in practice from Pryor or from Michigan can't prepare them for the speed and offensive options that we have. Masoli is too physical for Pryor to replicate in practice and they don't have the personnel to work it out...I think the element of surprise could be good for at 10-14 Oregon points in that game, and if we build that kind of a lead, we force Pryor to beat us with his arm, which he can't.

Here's hoping that I'm right, because it will be a sad, sad day for us if Ohio State FINALLY wins a BCS game and it comes at our expense. Coach 'em up Chip, coach 'em up.

yodudedudeyo
12-09-2009, 07:15 PM
Yeah, you and me both, let me tell you. The entire state of Oregon was ablaze last week and now we're all looking forward to the final OSU on our list. Last season we crushed Oregon State and then beat Oklahoma State in the Holiday Bowl. This season we beat Oregon State again and now we're aiming for Ohio State. I guess the Ducks just hate those initials...

In all seriousness, I think tOSU will have a big problem defending the spread. The watered down crap that they see in practice from Pryor or from Michigan can't prepare them for the speed and offensive options that we have. Masoli is too physical for Pryor to replicate in practice and they don't have the personnel to work it out...I think the element of surprise could be good for at 10-14 Oregon points in that game, and if we build that kind of a lead, we force Pryor to beat us with his arm, which he can't.

Here's hoping that I'm right, because it will be a sad, sad day for us if Ohio State FINALLY wins a BCS game and it comes at our expense. Coach 'em up Chip, coach 'em up.

I'm a Michigan man, so believe me when I say the ducks have Ann Arbor's support.

UW_Husky88
12-10-2009, 07:20 PM
I agree COMPLETELY with the dude that said the TCU/BSU matchup is garbage. WTC was that nonsense? Nobody is going to watch that game, and now how can we see how the "little guys" do against the "big boys"? I seriously think it's because they didn't want the media's love affair with Tebow to end in case he loses to TCU. I hate this garbage system with a passion! I seriously think the regular season is more interesting than the bowl season of CFB. That is not a good thing AT ALL.