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Wes_Loves_Dunlop
12-09-2009, 06:23 PM
Hi, im really interested in trying gut strings.
I was wondering what the difference was from lets say pacific prime, blue spiral, or the classic. Which gut has more spin, power, feel, etc.

Also, how does Klip legend compare to pacific in general?

BorisBecker1872
12-10-2009, 05:50 AM
Hi, im really interested in trying gut strings.
I was wondering what the difference was from lets say pacific prime, blue spiral, or the classic. Which gut has more spin, power, feel, etc.

Also, how does Klip legend compare to pacific in general?
Klip is made in Australia and feels more "crisp" and should be more powerful than Pacific which is made in New Zealand offers less power but greater feel--all things being equal.

Can't help you on the different Pacific brands but I think there is little differences.

Valjean
12-10-2009, 06:15 AM
In a playtest of six natural guts the USRSA did several years ago, Klip Legend was the least powerful. This is my feeling too, even though I don't feel Pacific Prime or Classic, say, is as powerful as even BDE's.

Rabbit
12-10-2009, 03:43 PM
Hi, I've tried all the Pacific natural guts and all the Klips except for Armour Pro and I've also used BDE Performance and Rallye and VS Team and Thermogut; just for reference.

Pacific

Prime - most expensive, softest, and powerful string in the line. This string is ultra-comfortable and is the most cushioned hit in the line. You'll need to add 3 pounds to this string over a base gut like Classic.
Imperial (Blue Sprial) - very much like Prime, very comfortable, and just plain cool looking when in your frame. It's a real throwback. I don't know that there is a whole lot of difference in this string from Prime other than the cosmetic.
Tough Gut (formerly Tour) - this is less powerful and cushioned and has a firmer feel than Prime. I used this string in my Vilas' when I played with wood a few years ago. This string is smack dab in the middle of the line in terms of power/cushion.
Classic - my string of choice. Pacific advertises their gut as firmer which lets you string looser for more comfort. I have been using the 16 guage in this gut and stringing it at 61 with great results. This string feels great and while it has less power than the guts above, it is great on the arm and very responsive.Klip

Legend - comparable gut to Classic. I used Legend in my Cat 8's for a year or so. I found it to be a firm hit, like Classic. In my experience, it didn't retain its playing characteristics as long as Classic and frayed way more. Maybe it has less coating, but I thought it played well for 6 hours or so and then went dead; felt like it bottomed out.
Legend Uncoated - again Classic-like. This string definetly needs to be strung a little looser as it felt boardy when strung over 60.Pacific vs Klip
Pacific's gauging is thinner than Klip's. In other words, Pacific's 16 is very much like Klip's 17 from a thickness perspective. No big deal, just if you like a thinner/thicker string you should know what you're ordering ahead of time.
Klip tends to fray almost immediately. Pacific will notch, but doesn't fray or unravel until you're close to breaking it.
Klip, IMO (and this is subjective) doesn't play as well as long as Pacific. Pacific retains its resiliency longer and feels better.

With respect to:

Spin
Any gut is a step up from a multi in terms of spin. IMO, their are certainly the equal of poly in spin and beat the crap out of poly when comfort and arm safety are concerns. (I played poly for a bunch of years.) I don't think any one of the guts listed above has an advantage in spin production.

Power
From most to least:

Pacific Prime/VS Team
Pacific Blue Sprial/VS Thermogut
Pacific Tough Gut
Pacific Classic/Klip Legend/Klip Legend UncoatedFeel
From most to least

Pacific Prime/Pacific Blue Sprial
VS Team
Pacific Tough Gut/VS Thermogut
Pacific Classic
Klip Legend/Klip Legend UncoatedControl

All guts are great in this respect, you just have to find the right tension. Most folks don't have the $'s to play around a whole bunch with tension and gut, so you need to know what you prefer prior to using gut. The best way to do this is to string a premium multi. Initially, it will play close to gut and will give you an idea of what tension you're going to like.

Hope this helps.

rogernext
12-10-2009, 03:49 PM
Hi, I've tried all the Pacific natural guts and all the Klips except for Armour Pro and I've also used BDE Performance and Rallye and VS Team and Thermogut; just for reference.

Pacific

Prime - most expensive, softest, and powerful string in the line. This string is ultra-comfortable and is the most cushioned hit in the line. You'll need to add 3 pounds to this string over a base gut like Classic.
Imperial (Blue Sprial) - very much like Prime, very comfortable, and just plain cool looking when in your frame. It's a real throwback. I don't know that there is a whole lot of difference in this string from Prime other than the cosmetic.
Tough Gut (formerly Tour) - this is less powerful and cushioned and has a firmer feel than Prime. I used this string in my Vilas' when I played with wood a few years ago. This string is smack dab in the middle of the line in terms of power/cushion.
Classic - my string of choice. Pacific advertises their gut as firmer which lets you string looser for more comfort. I have been using the 16 guage in this gut and stringing it at 61 with great results. This string feels great and while it has less power than the guts above, it is great on the arm and very responsive.Klip

Legend - comparable gut to Classic. I used Legend in my Cat 8's for a year or so. I found it to be a firm hit, like Classic. In my experience, it didn't retain its playing characteristics as long as Classic and frayed way more. Maybe it has less coating, but I thought it played well for 6 hours or so and then went dead; felt like it bottomed out.
Legend Uncoated - again Classic-like. This string definetly needs to be strung a little looser as it felt boardy when strung over 60.Pacific vs Klip
Pacific's gauging is thinner than Klip's. In other words, Pacific's 16 is very much like Klip's 17 from a thickness perspective. No big deal, just if you like a thinner/thicker string you should know what you're ordering ahead of time.
Klip tends to fray almost immediately. Pacific will notch, but doesn't fray or unravel until you're close to breaking it.
Klip, IMO (and this is subjective) doesn't play as well as long as Pacific. Pacific retains its resiliency longer and feels better.

With respect to:

Spin
Any gut is a step up from a multi in terms of spin. IMO, their are certainly the equal of poly in spin and beat the crap out of poly when comfort and arm safety are concerns. (I played poly for a bunch of years.) I don't think any one of the guts listed above has an advantage in spin production.

Power
From most to least:

Pacific Prime/VS Team
Pacific Blue Sprial/VS Thermogut
Pacific Tough Gut
Pacific Classic/Klip Legend/Klip Legend UncoatedFeel
From most to least

Pacific Prime/Pacific Blue Sprial
VS Team
Pacific Tough Gut/VS Thermogut
Pacific Classic
Klip Legend/Klip Legend UncoatedControl

All guts are great in this respect, you just have to find the right tension. Most folks don't have the $'s to play around a whole bunch with tension and gut, so you need to know what you prefer prior to using gut. The best way to do this is to string a premium multi. Initially, it will play close to gut and will give you an idea of what tension you're going to like.

Hope this helps.

great writing! thankq.

Wes_Loves_Dunlop
12-10-2009, 05:48 PM
Rabbit, I love you. no ****.
Thanks for your very descriptive response.
I think i will go with Pacific classic. I actually have played with a multi once, and it was a crappy one. I feel the need to experiment with natural gut because i love the feel of a ball sinking into the stringbed and also, i love to hit touch shots.
I haven't broken a single poly yet, so im not entirely sure im a string breaker. Hopefully classic lasts me a while to be more economical than poly's,

Would stringing at 67 in a AG 300 16x18 be reasonable? I need a good amount of spin for my strokes but would also like some more pop than I get with my current polys.

Rabbit
12-10-2009, 07:21 PM
Rabbit, I love you. no ****.
Thanks for your very descriptive response.

:) No problem at all.


I think i will go with Pacific classic.

You are a wise as considerate young man...


I haven't broken a single poly yet, so im not entirely sure im a string breaker. Hopefully classic lasts me a while to be more economical than poly's,

When you look at hour for hour on court, gut is really cheaper. It plays better, longer than any other string out there. The reputation gut has for enhancing your game and protecting your arm is unsurpassed.


Would stringing at 67 in a AG 300 16x18 be reasonable? I need a good amount of spin for my strokes but would also like some more pop than I get with my current polys.

Wow...that sounds tight, but you don't mention your regular tension. Whatever you string a multi at would be a starting point. If you want to add power, you won't do that stringing tighter. I think gut, at any tension, is great for spin [and control and comfort and power].

My only warning would be that you might have to spend enough for 2 or three sets before finding your right setup if you've never played with gut.

I would also recommend that possibly you try Classic mains and a synthetic (Prince Synthetic Gut Original (not duracrap)) hybrid first. That will give you most of what you're wanting to experiment with and not break your bank this close to Christmas. Just a thought...

good luck and if I can help any more, please don't hesitate to ask...

Wes_Loves_Dunlop
12-11-2009, 12:14 PM
I cant believe I left out my current set up. My bad
The set up I have now is Topspin Concept pure at 55 lbs. It feels a bit stiff so i would actually string it at 50 next time. I came down from 60.
And thanks for the tip on the hybrid, I didnt even think of that.

The only problem I would think of from gut, it if it is too overpowered. I could compensate for too little power, but too much power is my undoing.

Rabbit
12-11-2009, 03:41 PM
I cant believe I left out my current set up. My bad
The set up I have now is Topspin Concept pure at 55 lbs. It feels a bit stiff so i would actually string it at 50 next time. I came down from 60.
And thanks for the tip on the hybrid, I didnt even think of that.

The only problem I would think of from gut, it if it is too overpowered. I could compensate for too little power, but too much power is my undoing.


55 to 67 seems a bit much to me

string your frame with a multi first to get close to your end tension, then try gut. you can use Alpha Gut 2000, really cheap, not durable, but it will give you an indication of what your tension likes are

Wes_Loves_Dunlop
12-11-2009, 04:16 PM
I ordered the pacific classic with a set of psg.
When I hybrid it, should I string them at the same tension?
Also, I will call TW to tell them to add alpha gut to my list
Thanks

Rabbit
12-12-2009, 11:28 AM
Yeah, I would go with the same tension....when changing, use the KISS method...Keep It Simple, Stupid....

;)

ClubHoUno
12-12-2009, 02:26 PM
:confused:I play with VS 17 gut mains and VS´16 gut crosses in my 2 Bab Pure Storm Limited GT racquets and love this combo - but if I would continue to use full natty gut, but would like somthing a tiny bit stiffer - would keeping the VS 17 in the mains and changing to Pacific Tough Gut 16 or Pacific Classic 16 in the crosses do it :confused:

I'm not looking to hybrid it with anything else but Natty gut - I already play with a hybrid of natty gut mains and CoPoly crosses in my 2 Bab PS Tour GT and love this, but would like to pålay with full natty gut in the Limited for extra feel and good tension and elasticity maintenance.

Looking for some suggestions :)

Wes_Loves_Dunlop
12-12-2009, 03:34 PM
Thanks rabbit.
You've been a great help

scotus
02-08-2010, 11:55 AM
Power
From most to least:

Pacific Prime/VS Team
Pacific Blue Sprial/VS Thermogut
Pacific Tough Gut
Pacific Classic/Klip Legend/Klip Legend UncoatedFeel
From most to least

Pacific Prime/Pacific Blue Sprial
VS Team
Pacific Tough Gut/VS Thermogut
Pacific Classic
Klip Legend/Klip Legend UncoatedControl

Rabbit,

Thanks for this nice comparison chart.

But one question: What is the distinction you are making between VS Team and VS Thermogut?

Thermogut Technology is applied to both the Team (17g) and the Touch (16g).

Or am I missing something?

Rabbit
02-08-2010, 01:13 PM
Rabbit,

Thanks for this nice comparison chart.

But one question: What is the distinction you are making between VS Team and VS Thermogut?

Thermogut Technology is applied to both the Team (17g) and the Touch (16g).

Or am I missing something?

Sorry, I was under the impression that Team was the 17 gauge version and Thermogut was their thicker versions.

ClubHoUno
02-09-2010, 01:10 AM
Sorry, I was under the impression that Team was the 17 gauge version and Thermogut was their thicker versions.

Both VS TEAM 17 AND VS TOUCH (16 & 15L) have Thermogut tech coating on them.
VS TEAM is just the thinnest gauge of the VS natural gut from BABOLAT.

Rabbit
02-09-2010, 04:24 AM
Both VS TEAM 17 AND VS TOUCH (16 & 15L) have Thermogut tech coating on them.
VS TEAM is just the thinnest gauge of the VS natural gut from BABOLAT.

My suspicions confirmed...

markwillplay
02-09-2010, 12:49 PM
Rabbit..I have been playing with VS touch (16 gauge) and actually have a bed at 57 on my becker 11 mid. I have not struggled to control it so I think I would not like to go any stiffer. Would I be correct in thinking that the pacific classic could be a bit less powerful at 57? I love nat gut for the little extra power it provides on serves (as apposed to a cheap syn gut) but I do not like haveing to string above 60 lbs even with the softerst gut. I like lower tension if possible. If I am playing well at 57 with the VS touch...what would the classic feel like at same tension (sorry it took so long to ask that).

Rabbit
02-10-2010, 10:08 AM
Rabbit..I have been playing with VS touch (16 gauge) and actually have a bed at 57 on my becker 11 mid. I have not struggled to control it so I think I would not like to go any stiffer. Would I be correct in thinking that the pacific classic could be a bit less powerful at 57? I love nat gut for the little extra power it provides on serves (as apposed to a cheap syn gut) but I do not like haveing to string above 60 lbs even with the softerst gut. I like lower tension if possible. If I am playing well at 57 with the VS touch...what would the classic feel like at same tension (sorry it took so long to ask that).

Yes, if you read the Pacific marketing stuff, they claim that their natural gut is stiffer and can be strung looser than other guts. I have found that VS is really powerful and softer. That's not a bad thing, it's just different. If you want a stiffer gut that you can string looser, Classic is a great alternative. Classic or Legend. I find Classic plays better and lasts longer.

Pacific's Prime is really close IMO to VS. I string it about 3 - 5 pounds tighter than Classic. IMO, I think you could probably come down to 55 and be safe with Classic.

JT_2eighty
02-10-2010, 02:37 PM
Rabbit..I have been playing with VS touch (16 gauge) and actually have a bed at 57 on my becker 11 mid. I have not struggled to control it so I think I would not like to go any stiffer. Would I be correct in thinking that the pacific classic could be a bit less powerful at 57? I love nat gut for the little extra power it provides on serves (as apposed to a cheap syn gut) but I do not like haveing to string above 60 lbs even with the softerst gut. I like lower tension if possible. If I am playing well at 57 with the VS touch...what would the classic feel like at same tension (sorry it took so long to ask that).

I currently am experimenting with the BB11 mid, and have two, one with full VS17 at 58#, and one with full Pac Classic 17 also at 58#.

Having used both for a few matches now, VS definitely has more power and comfort; while the Pac Classic has a lil stiffer feel, slightly less pop but definitely a crispness to it that I do like. At first I did not like the Classic as compared to VS, but once I got used to it, they both play great... so for almost half the price I'm liking the Classic. Hope this helps.

edit: to add, the Classic had a little break-in period it seems, while the VS plays as is right from the start. Or maybe this was just me getting accustomed to the Classic feel after getting used to the VS, as I had played on the VS stick for a few matches before using the Classic strung one, so I could compare my impressions a bit more accurately, and I didn't lock-in to the Classic-string one until I was 30-40 minutes into it in play time.

JT_2eighty
02-10-2010, 02:43 PM
... but if I would continue to use full natty gut, but would like somthing a tiny bit stiffer - would keeping the VS 17 in the mains and changing to Pacific Tough Gut 16 or Pacific Classic 16 in the crosses do it :confused:

I'm not looking to hybrid it with anything else but Natty gut - I already play with a hybrid of natty gut mains and CoPoly crosses in my 2 Bab PS Tour GT and love this, but would like to pålay with full natty gut in the Limited for extra feel and good tension and elasticity maintenance.

Looking for some suggestions :)

I also have tried this with great experience. VS mains with ToughGut crosses. Superb combo! Only saves you about $5 on the stringjob, but the ToughGut adds a nice crispness to the VS, and you still get the great VS mains feel! Win-win IMHO, actually, my favorite stringjob of all time in my PT's. Load up some string savers and it lasts me a good 16-24 hours or so of play time, depending on if I'm playing singles or doubles.

markwillplay
02-10-2010, 06:20 PM
gotcha...I assume that even theough the classic plays a bit stiffer, it is still great for the arm? I think I will try a set at 55 and see how I like it. I like the VS but it is sooo expensive. I do find it powerful and I notice it more on serve really. I have to work a little harder with a syn gut (really swinging out) to get the same pace on all my shots really. I sort of like that I can string syn gut lower and still control it but when I switch over to the vS bed, the free power and depth I get is really nice. I love that pocketing feel....just don't l;ike to spray the blocked returns off of really hard servers. Thanks for the info.

JT_2eighty
02-11-2010, 12:22 PM
Yep even the "stiff" guts will be better for your arm than anything else non-gut out there. In a way, the stiffer Pacific guts allow one to string lower than VS without sacrificing control. It's hard to put into words, but yea, any gut will be a great choice for your arm; but there is a definite tactile difference between brands. For the price/performance, Pacific Classic is hard to beat! I'll try the imperial spiral next, I'm curious how that compares between Classic and VS.

insiderman
02-11-2010, 12:44 PM
but..........remember that 'stiff' in feel when stringing, is not always 'stiff' in playability - as the most current USRSA Lab tests show clearly that pacific is totally & a lot, more soft if performance - yup, the pacific (however they do it) does string-up 'tighter' and holds tension WAY better, so that might be what / why some comment being; 'stiffer'? Just a thought...

JT_2eighty
02-11-2010, 02:44 PM
Yea, it's funny you mention that, as I had originally bought Pacific Tough 16L based on the fact it was the "least stiff" ever on the list. Then during play, it plays much stiffer/crisper in its "on-court feel" than VS, BDE, or even Unifibre (the only other ones I've played). But yea, my comments were based on the feel once strung, not packaged, because you are right on that you can't judge a string by it's "cover" (by cover i mean its feel when stringing OR even its lab data).

Keifers
02-12-2010, 09:26 AM
I also have tried this with great experience. VS mains with ToughGut crosses. Superb combo! Only saves you about $5 on the stringjob, but the ToughGut adds a nice crispness to the VS, and you still get the great VS mains feel! Win-win IMHO, actually, my favorite stringjob of all time in my PT's. Load up some string savers and it lasts me a good 16-24 hours or so of play time, depending on if I'm playing singles or doubles.
JT,
Do you string the VS mains with ToughGut crosses at the same tension? I'd like the crispness that ToughGut would add, but I'm concerned that it may add too much given that it's noticeably stiffer.

Also, my experience with VS gut is that its feel is pretty much the same after the first 24-48 hours after stringing, i.e., no real break-in period. Does the Pacific gut have some break-in period where it's stiffer for a certain number of hours of play and then becomes less stiff?

Thanks.

JT_2eighty
02-12-2010, 12:24 PM
JT,
Do you string the VS mains with ToughGut crosses at the same tension? I'd like the crispness that ToughGut would add, but I'm concerned that it may add too much given that it's noticeably stiffer.

Also, my experience with VS gut is that its feel is pretty much the same after the first 24-48 hours after stringing, i.e., no real break-in period. Does the Pacific gut have some break-in period where it's stiffer for a certain number of hours of play and then becomes less stiff?

Thanks.

In a nutshell, I string most of my setups with the crosses 1 lb higher than mains, to account for friction, etc. and experience no adverse frame warping.

Even with VS mains, PacTG cross, I still did the same. My observations:

VSmains/PTGcross: no break-in period just like full VS. Hits beautifully from the start, and plays great til it broke (for me ~16hrs of on-court time). To me, this indicated how much the mains dominate your overall feel. The PTG cross added just enough crispness to the stringbed to amp control without the adverse effect of losing the pocketing feel that will happen when you cross gut with synthetic or polys.

Full PTG setup: First 1.5 hours were noticeably stiffer than other gut setups, and I was a bit worried at first, as it had almost a plasticky feel. However, after 1 match of doubles, followed by 2 nights of not playing, the next few matches played great. String starts to fray a bit after just a few hours, and broke around hour 11-12. Overall feel is a crisp version of VS with a little less power and reduced touch at net.

I would prefer PTG for baselining and VS for all-court play/doubles. The hybriding of these guts is a subtle change since you still have full gut, but I prefer the hybrid so I can use the same sticks for singles and dubs. The difference between full VS and my hybrid is subtle, while the difference between the hybrid and full PTG was much more noticeable.

Keifers
02-12-2010, 04:28 PM
^^^^^

Thanks very much for your very comprehensive response -- it's given me a much better sense of the differences between VS and PTG, and how the hybrid will feel. Much appreciated!

(I'll report back on how the hybrid works for me.)

mctennis
03-02-2010, 10:36 AM
Rabbitt, great review on the strings.

shaysrebelII
03-02-2010, 11:27 AM
Rabbitt, great review on the strings.

+1, now I wanna try some gut!

Rabbit
03-02-2010, 05:54 PM
Thanks!...

karophiteblu
03-29-2010, 10:17 PM
Rabbit, I must thank you a LOT on your description of the strings. :D i currently have VS thermogut touch 16 on main at 57 and luxilon Alu power rough on the cross at 55. would you think the feel would increase if i get the blue spiral on the mains next?

Thanks!!

Rabbit
03-30-2010, 07:02 AM
Rabbit, I must thank you a LOT on your description of the strings. :D i currently have VS thermogut touch 16 on main at 57 and luxilon Alu power rough on the cross at 55. would you think the feel would increase if i get the blue spiral on the mains next?

Thanks!!

You're very welcome. :)

If you're looking for a high end gut with plenty of power and feel, you can't go wrong with Imperial. Basically, I think it's the same grade of gut as Prime and Prime is, IMO, better feeling than VS. It transmits more feel and is more powerful. I'm going to try a full set next time I string.

Please let me know how it works out for you.

Kcraig
03-30-2010, 09:07 AM
I used Pacific Classic 16g for a few months and loved it as a gut/poly setup. Thought it was soft and responsive, but after tring Tough Gut, Classic def felt much firmer. I have 2 sticks right now strung a tough gut hybrid w/ polyforce:
1) Tough Gut/Polyforce at 56/54--this setup just feels amazing!! So soft and comfy. Really feels like a firm multi w/ unreal ball pocketing and spin. The stiffness rating on TG is only around 85!!!!!! That coupled with the firm poly is a wonderful combination of pop, spin and feel. I currently have about 7hrs on this setup and just recently installed about 7-8 stringsavers at some notching spots--looking good!

2) Polyfoce/Tough Gut at 55/58--just got this reverse setup strung yesterday so will have my first hit tonight with it. But after hitting some balls against the garage last evening it feels awesome!! Looking for a little more control/bite over the gut mains. Will hit tonight and let you know thoughts.:)

jim e
03-30-2010, 11:11 AM
You're very welcome. :)

If you're looking for a high end gut with plenty of power and feel, you can't go wrong with Imperial. Basically, I think it's the same grade of gut as Prime and Prime is, IMO, better feeling than VS. It transmits more feel and is more powerful. I'm going to try a full set next time I string.

Please let me know how it works out for you.

Hi Rabbit: I normally hit with all VS and every so often I will put the Imperial in one of my racquets. Although very comparable, it does feel a little softer than the VS strung at the same tension and same racquet. I actually like them both, but I normally go back to the VS just to keep the strings consistant, so I am not always changing something, as I have one racquet that gets its strings changed out to a different string weekly just to try something different, so I like to keep the normal racquets consistant.
Imperial is a good gut string, and strings up easily as well.

Rabbit
03-31-2010, 05:13 AM
Hi Rabbit: I normally hit with all VS and every so often I will put the Imperial in one of my racquets. Although very comparable, it does feel a little softer than the VS strung at the same tension and same racquet. I actually like them both, but I normally go back to the VS just to keep the strings consistant, so I am not always changing something, as I have one racquet that gets its strings changed out to a different string weekly just to try something different, so I like to keep the normal racquets consistant.
Imperial is a good gut string, and strings up easily as well.

Yep, when I played the Wilson 90, I used VS 16 strung at 58. There is certainly nothing wrong with VS and had I been a better user of the Wilson 90, I'd probably have enjoyed it even more! It is very consistent, and I've never had an issue with premature breakage or early loss of playability.

But I've always been a fan of Pacific since the old gold colored string that McEnroe used. I've related this on the boards before, but somebody in the back of Tennis Magazine had the old gold colored gut on sale for $10/set way back. I rounded up some funds and bought a boat load of it. I strung it in my ProStaffs and loved it. That was and is the coolest string ever. I wish Pacific would bring it back.

Then Pacific went away....

Fast forward back to the future and when I played the Vilas for a year, all of them were strung with Pacific gut. Since they've fixed their distribution, I am sold on their product. I re-discovered gut as a full-time string with the Dunlop AG100. Just typing this, it's funny that I used it in smaller racquets on a consistent basis. But going back to the C10, I've found gut strung at a decent tension to be wonderful for my arm, my game, and a great compliment to the C10.

The debate now is whether to hybrid or not. I enjoy being 'old school' with an all-gut stringbed. From an aesthetic standpoint, there is nothing better looking to me than a two-knot job with both knots tied off on crosses. I also very much enjoy the feel of gut now. And, I think I'm ready to go a little softer on the stringbed with Imperial full time. It is fun again... :)

BTW....I always enjoy your posts, and find your insights and tips very interesting. You are definitely an asset to the boards...

Lambsscroll
03-31-2010, 06:56 AM
Hi, I've tried all the Pacific natural guts and all the Klips except for Armour Pro and I've also used BDE Performance and Rallye and VS Team and Thermogut; just for reference.

Pacific

Prime - most expensive, softest, and powerful string in the line. This string is ultra-comfortable and is the most cushioned hit in the line. You'll need to add 3 pounds to this string over a base gut like Classic.
Imperial (Blue Sprial) - very much like Prime, very comfortable, and just plain cool looking when in your frame. It's a real throwback. I don't know that there is a whole lot of difference in this string from Prime other than the cosmetic.
Tough Gut (formerly Tour) - this is less powerful and cushioned and has a firmer feel than Prime. I used this string in my Vilas' when I played with wood a few years ago. This string is smack dab in the middle of the line in terms of power/cushion.
Classic - my string of choice. Pacific advertises their gut as firmer which lets you string looser for more comfort. I have been using the 16 guage in this gut and stringing it at 61 with great results. This string feels great and while it has less power than the guts above, it is great on the arm and very responsive.Klip

Legend - comparable gut to Classic. I used Legend in my Cat 8's for a year or so. I found it to be a firm hit, like Classic. In my experience, it didn't retain its playing characteristics as long as Classic and frayed way more. Maybe it has less coating, but I thought it played well for 6 hours or so and then went dead; felt like it bottomed out.
Legend Uncoated - again Classic-like. This string definetly needs to be strung a little looser as it felt boardy when strung over 60.Pacific vs Klip
Pacific's gauging is thinner than Klip's. In other words, Pacific's 16 is very much like Klip's 17 from a thickness perspective. No big deal, just if you like a thinner/thicker string you should know what you're ordering ahead of time.
Klip tends to fray almost immediately. Pacific will notch, but doesn't fray or unravel until you're close to breaking it.
Klip, IMO (and this is subjective) doesn't play as well as long as Pacific. Pacific retains its resiliency longer and feels better.

With respect to:

Spin
Any gut is a step up from a multi in terms of spin. IMO, their are certainly the equal of poly in spin and beat the crap out of poly when comfort and arm safety are concerns. (I played poly for a bunch of years.) I don't think any one of the guts listed above has an advantage in spin production.

Power
From most to least:

Pacific Prime/VS Team
Pacific Blue Sprial/VS Thermogut
Pacific Tough Gut
Pacific Classic/Klip Legend/Klip Legend UncoatedFeel
From most to least

Pacific Prime/Pacific Blue Sprial
VS Team
Pacific Tough Gut/VS Thermogut
Pacific Classic
Klip Legend/Klip Legend UncoatedControl

All guts are great in this respect, you just have to find the right tension. Most folks don't have the $'s to play around a whole bunch with tension and gut, so you need to know what you prefer prior to using gut. The best way to do this is to string a premium multi. Initially, it will play close to gut and will give you an idea of what tension you're going to like.

Hope this helps.

Thx for the info.

JT_2eighty
03-31-2010, 09:01 AM
What is the max tension on this you've had success with or know of, Rabbit? The packaging says the Prime can be strung Extra High, so I'm thinking of trying it around 64-66? I liked VS around 58-60, as well as Classic at that range, but also could go for a bit tighter to start, since I can typically get 16-24 hours out of a full gut using my dense patterned racquet (but prefer the feel of them when fresh), using string savers once my guts start to fray, so I'm thinking of starting a few higher than normal so that once it levels off, it will be right in my preferred range (upper 50s).

Rabbit
03-31-2010, 09:17 AM
What is the max tension on this you've had success with or know of, Rabbit? The packaging says the Prime can be strung Extra High, so I'm thinking of trying it around 64-66? I liked VS around 58-60, as well as Classic at that range, but also could go for a bit tighter to start, since I can typically get 16-24 hours out of a full gut using my dense patterned racquet (but prefer the feel of them when fresh), using string savers once my guts start to fray, so I'm thinking of starting a few higher than normal so that once it levels off, it will be right in my preferred range (upper 50s).

I have strung Imperial at 60. I string Classic at 61, I don't think you should have a problem.

jim e
03-31-2010, 05:22 PM
What is the max tension on this you've had success with or know of, Rabbit? The packaging says the Prime can be strung Extra High, so I'm thinking of trying it around 64-66? I liked VS around 58-60, as well as Classic at that range, but also could go for a bit tighter to start, since I can typically get 16-24 hours out of a full gut using my dense patterned racquet (but prefer the feel of them when fresh), using string savers once my guts start to fray, so I'm thinking of starting a few higher than normal so that once it levels off, it will be right in my preferred range (upper 50s).

I have strung Imperial at 64 lbs. for my Head OS racquets, and 61 lbs. for my MP racquets.

Wes_Loves_Dunlop
03-31-2010, 07:14 PM
Ive strung classic at 69 lbs

JT_2eighty
05-18-2010, 01:55 PM
Hi, I've tried all the Pacific natural guts and all the Klips except for Armour Pro and I've also used BDE Performance and Rallye and VS Team and Thermogut; just for reference.

Hey Rabbit, curious where BDE Rallye would fit in your power & feel spectrums as compared to VS, Pacific & Klip? I have 4 sets of 15L Rallye I purchased for a great price right before they went out of business, and haven't gotten around to using it yet, but will soon and am looking for a good tension recommendation as compared to PacClassic, ToughGut & VS Touch. I've heard it's more similar to VS than the others, but the 15L is going to throw me for a loop, i'm sure.

thanks

Rabbit
05-18-2010, 02:42 PM
BDE, IMO, is a little softer than Classic, and very close to Tough. If you have 15L, string it +3 pounds whatever your tension is now and you should be fine. :)

2handsbothsides
05-19-2010, 02:29 PM
Rabbit...what gut currently available in your opinion comes closest to BDE Performance? Error on the soft side. I really liked BDE Performance and used it for many years. I gave Classic an extensive try at progressively lower tensions and it is just too stiff for my liking. Hopefully its not VS as I just wont pay $43 per set!

bsandy
05-19-2010, 02:42 PM
Don't quote me on this, but Gamma Natural Gut may very well be BDE.

. . . Bud

Rabbit
05-20-2010, 05:22 AM
Rabbit...what gut currently available in your opinion comes closest to BDE Performance? Error on the soft side. I really liked BDE Performance and used it for many years. I gave Classic an extensive try at progressively lower tensions and it is just too stiff for my liking. Hopefully its not VS as I just wont pay $43 per set!

IMO, Pacific Tough Gut is closest. Prime is even softer, almost buttery in feel. If you opt for Tough, you can still string it looser than BDE. Another option is the Imperial or Blue Sprial which is Tough Gut with a strand of Prime (blue). It plays really well and is not as stiff as Classic. Outside Pacific, VS or Tonic is going to be your best bet.

BTW, I've tried Gamma NG and was thoroughly underwhelmed.

JT_2eighty
05-27-2010, 07:35 AM
Rabbit, thanks again for all the great advice. My kevlar honeymoon is over and I'm back to full guts again. There really is no other string that has all the benefits of gut once you find the right tension, it's hard to find any downsides really.

Last question for now, would Klip's 18g be similar to Pacific's 17g, as you noted Pacific's gauges tend to be slightly thinner than Klip? I'm looking for the thinnest gut I can find, to try out next.

Rabbit
05-27-2010, 07:49 AM
Rabbit, thanks again for all the great advice. My kevlar honeymoon is over and I'm back to full guts again. There really is no other string that has all the benefits of gut once you find the right tension, it's hard to find any downsides really.

Last question for now, would Klip's 18g be similar to Pacific's 17g, as you noted Pacific's gauges tend to be slightly thinner than Klip? I'm looking for the thinnest gut I can find, to try out next.

From a gauge perspective, yes. I think Klip's 18 is 1.20mm and Pacific's Classic 17 is 1.24mm.

From a playability perspective, I find Classic to have more play. Klip seemed to get really boardy. I just like Classic better.

wrxtotoro
05-27-2010, 08:29 AM
The last pack of Pacific Classic 17 I used was 1.20 mm. But the Toughgut 17 do not have any measurement on the package.

Rabbit
05-27-2010, 08:34 AM
^^^
There ya go! :)

One man's 18 is another man's 17

bsandy
05-27-2010, 09:48 AM
Pacific 17 says 1.20 on the package ?

GPB
05-27-2010, 12:24 PM
The debate now is whether to hybrid or not. I enjoy being 'old school' with an all-gut stringbed. From an aesthetic standpoint, there is nothing better looking to me than a two-knot job with both knots tied off on crosses. I also very much enjoy the feel of gut now.
Rabbit, what do you mean by this? Do you string one cross with the the short side and then tie off? Or do you hold your last main with a starting clamp until you can tie it onto a cross string? I've only been stringing a year, and I'm always looking for "better" ways to string, especially with gut! Thanks.

Rabbit
05-27-2010, 04:48 PM
Rabbit, what do you mean by this? Do you string one cross with the the short side and then tie off? Or do you hold your last main with a starting clamp until you can tie it onto a cross string? I've only been stringing a year, and I'm always looking for "better" ways to string, especially with gut! Thanks.

Great question. I was told by a stringer-to-the-stars that given the option, you should never tie off on a main. When I string a one piece then, I always try to tie off on a cross.

For my C10s, I always pull two extra lengths on the short side. I then string the first two crosses with the short side and use a flying clamp to hold them. I then string the first two crosses with the long side (3 and 4) and then put a flying clamp on that (which winds up on the other side). I then take an awl and carefully enlarge the hold on the 3rd cross (which was the first cross from the long side). I then repull tension on the 2nd cross (from the short side) and put a fixed clamp on it. I then insert that cross into the 3rd grommet and tie off.

I finish the rest of the crosses and tie off on the 3rd from the bottom cross. The result is both knots are on the same side of the frame.

The benefit to this is you keep tension on the last main and it's easier to retain tension on teh crosses.

parasailing
05-27-2010, 10:43 PM
Rabbit, thanks again for all the great advice. My kevlar honeymoon is over and I'm back to full guts again. There really is no other string that has all the benefits of gut once you find the right tension, it's hard to find any downsides really.



Gut definitely has no equal but the only downside is cost.

GPB
05-28-2010, 06:16 AM
Great question. I was told by a stringer-to-the-stars that given the option, you should never tie off on a main. When I string a one piece then, I always try to tie off on a cross.

Thanks for the details! I will try this next time I do a 1-peice stringjob.

Rabbit
05-28-2010, 11:45 AM
NP, fellas!

Y'all have a great weekend.

wrxtotoro
05-28-2010, 12:35 PM
Pacific 17 says 1.20 on the package ?

It says 17 Gauge 1.20 mm on the barcode sticker label on the pack of Pacific Classic I bought like 6 months ago.

The pack of ToughGut I got just 2 months ago do not have the thickness on the same label though.

hoodjem
05-28-2010, 08:41 PM
I loved the Klip Legend 18g till two half-sets broke in my racquets while they were in my bag.

Now I'm going to try 17g, or maybe Pacific Classic.

panta77
09-25-2010, 10:40 PM
Hi Rabbit. I have been playing for few weeks with the dunlop AG 300 4D 16x19a bit leaded and I am ready to try the nat gut on it. I have used klip legend mains with isospeed x's before on a more powerful racket, tecnifibre 310. Now I am experimenting with strings on my new dunlops, full proline IIs and pro supex big ace hybrided with gosen. What I am planning to try is pacific classic nat gut M's with something x's. I read that you recommend prince synt gut original. I am ready to try it as a cross, but also considering other possibilities as gosen sheep, forten or weisscannon or proline. What do you recommend as a cross, any particular reason for the prince? Does it hold better tension maybe? Just trying to get informed. Thanks for your posts and your help! What tension difference would you have between M's and crosses? I am not a bit hitter but more all around the court player. How do you think this racket would perform with nat gut hybrided? Thanks again!

WilsonPlayer101
09-26-2010, 12:22 AM
Rabbit, thanks again for all the great advice. My kevlar honeymoon is over and I'm back to full guts again. There really is no other string that has all the benefits of gut once you find the right tension, it's hard to find any downsides really.

Last question for now, would Klip's 18g be similar to Pacific's 17g, as you noted Pacific's gauges tend to be slightly thinner than Klip? I'm looking for the thinnest gut I can find, to try out next.

Agreed. I have a thread going about Becker Hero natural gut. I'm the only poster of all three or four post. Talk about having a conversation with oneself. But I finally broke down and gave in and had some Hero installed. I'll find out Wednesday how I like Becker Hero compared to the Klip Legend 17 uncoated and the Babolat that I have used in the past. By the way as you all have been mentioning Babs and Klip are different but both are great because natural gut can not be beat as 2eighty mentions. There are so many synths, polys and multis I have tried but overall gut kicks their butt. Back to the Becker. Some say that Becker is made by Klip so in theory it would be the same as Klip but that's not necessarily true. I can't even compare the two because the Klip I have had was uncoated 17 and the Becker is 16L coated but I'll try to go from memory if I like the Babs I used to use or the Becker better.

JT_2eighty
11-03-2011, 09:13 AM
^2010
****
v2011

Since gut and gut hybrids are really in swing on the tt boards, figured I'd bump this awesome thread from last year about Pacific & Klip guts, the two best "bang for your buck" gut brands that are compared very well on page 1!

Limpinhitter
11-03-2011, 09:31 AM
* * *
When you look at hour for hour on court, gut is really cheaper. It plays better, longer than any other string out there. The reputation gut has for enhancing your game and protecting your arm is unsurpassed.



Wow...that sounds tight, but you don't mention your regular tension. Whatever you string a multi at would be a starting point. If you want to add power, you won't do that stringing tighter. I think gut, at any tension, is great for spin [and control and comfort and power].

My only warning would be that you might have to spend enough for 2 or three sets before finding your right setup if you've never played with gut.

I would also recommend that possibly you try Classic mains and a synthetic (Prince Synthetic Gut Original (not duracrap)) hybrid first. That will give you most of what you're wanting to experiment with and not break your bank this close to Christmas. Just a thought...

good luck and if I can help any more, please don't hesitate to ask...

In my experience, a premium gut like VS should be strung from 1-2lbs tighter than a premium multi like X-1 Biphase. I also found that the price of VS gut including labor and tax is just about twice the price of X-1 Biphase and lasts at least twice as long, if not more.

BTW, IMO, Pacific's "Imperial Blue Spiral" is probably a "tribute" to the now defunct "Victor Imperial Gut," (made in Pennsylvania I think), which had a blue spiral, and which was the most popular gut when I was a wood racquet wielding junior.

WilsonPlayer101
11-03-2011, 10:48 AM
Limpinhitter, when I was a teen in the early to mid '80s I had Victor blue spiral gut on my Head Arthur Ashe racquet. Not a tennis aficionado back then so I didn't really compare to anything else or notice anything about those strings. Looking back in fondness for that era and time in my life I purchased some Pacific Blue Spiral and got it installed on my Head Youtek Prestige MP but didn't care for them. I read reviews about how soft they were and all but when I played with them they were not soft and plush but stiff and didn't feel good. After breaking them in for some weeks they got better but still not that great. Only strung up about 57 lbs too. Maybe I got a bum set. They look great tho.

I have one more set that is sealed. No I will not sell them but I will use them eventually hoping that the last set was a bum set and my new set will be a good set. I will have to see.

JT_2eighty
11-03-2011, 12:18 PM
Anyone try the new Orange Spiral stuff? It's more expensive than VS & Wilson, but also I've noticed TW is selling it, as their stock is reduced from the original 12+ they had.

Hopefully someone who's using it can give us a comparison to the normal Prime and/or the previous Blue Spiral.

julian
11-04-2011, 08:37 AM
Anyone try the new Orange Spiral stuff? It's more expensive than VS & Wilson, but also I've noticed TW is selling it, as their stock is reduced from the original 12+ they had.

Hopefully someone who's using it can give us a comparison to the normal Prime and/or the previous Blue Spiral.
I am interested in an answer as well.
It looks like stiffness lower than VS Team

WilsonPlayer101
11-04-2011, 08:39 AM
Too bad no feedback reviews of it posted yet. Not sure why since it's been out for a few months yet no feedback on it. Also at Jeff's String Forum no feedback on it either.

julian
11-04-2011, 08:49 AM
Too bad no feedback reviews of it posted yet. Not sure why since it's been out for a few months yet no feedback on it. Also at Jeff's String Forum no feedback on it either.
Is any shop in YOUR area which may know?
From reasons which are 2 long 2 explain I cannot get an answer in NORTH EAST (of US).
I have used VS Team 17 gauge yesterday and it lasted 6 hours-
i.e performance/elasticity went down significantly after 6 hours
Switching gears:
I do NOT know whether stiffness number is of any value
Probably the user of the name drakulie will know something
regards

WilsonPlayer101
11-04-2011, 09:01 AM
Is any shop in your area which may know?
From reasons which are 2 long 2 explain I cannot get an answer in NORTH EAST (of US)
I have used VS Team 17 gauge yesterday and it lasted 6 hours-
i.e performance/elasticity went down significantly after 6 hours
Switching gears:
I do NOT know whether stiffness number is of any value
Probably the user of the name drakulie will know something

julian, there are two shops in my area that are pro shops and one of them only carries one brand of gut and that is Babolat, not Pacific. The other one doesn't carry gut at all for some reason so around here I won't find out anything.

Hopefully the people who have used this new gut will give us their thoughts and feedback on it.

julian
11-04-2011, 09:16 AM
julian, there are two shops in my area that are pro shops and one of them only carries one brand of gut and that is Babolat, not Pacific. The other one doesn't carry gut at all for some reason so around here I won't find out anything.

Hopefully the people who have used this new gut will give us their thoughts and feedback on it.
There are couple more channels to investigate:
1.A Web site of Pacific
I went through
http://www.pacific.com/cms/front_content.php?client=1&lang=2&idcat=123&idart=168
but I cannot find anything useful
2.Other tennis forums-I have tried www.tennisplayer.net as of today
3.Players who use a Prince gut or Wilson Gut and who are looking for comparisons

Even if I would buy a set I am NOT sure about tension to use to have a decent comparison.
Currently I use a very strange combo-
VS Team 17 gauge 60 ponds mains and 58 pounds crosses
I am considering using Pacific in a hybrid with VS Team as well
Any thought on this subject are welcome as well
You are welcome to E-mail me as well.
There is another user of the name parasailing( I may have the spelling wrong)
A comparison with a black version of VS would be interesting as well

I have found

Pacific Prime Gut Orange Bullfibre 16 is the most labor intensive natural gut produced by Pacific consisting of hand selected, premium natural gut, enhanced with orange bull fibre. This string is the ultimate in power, comfort, and feel with exceptional tension maintenance. Pacific's Triple Seal Technology, consisting of a series of coatings, protects the string from heat and moisture, ensuring that the string plays to its maximum throughout the life. Prime Gut Bullfibre is designed to be comfortable on the arm, protecting from arm injuries. Best suited to the player seeking the ultimate in power, control, and feel in a premium natural gut.

JT_2eighty
11-04-2011, 09:58 AM
Here you go: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=385314 (no review yet, but our 'pacific expert' has purchased it...)

Hopefully Rabbit will indulge us!

He is the one responsible for the useful info in this great thread after all :D

julian
11-04-2011, 10:05 AM
Here you go: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=385314 (no review yet, but our 'pacific expert' has purchased it...)

Hopefully Rabbit will indulge us!

He is the one responsible for the useful info in this great thread after all :D
Do u see any beef there?
Why do I have to read about filet mignons?

julian
11-04-2011, 10:21 AM
julian, there are two shops in my area that are pro shops and one of them only carries one brand of gut and that is Babolat, not Pacific. The other one doesn't carry gut at all for some reason so around here I won't find out anything.

Hopefully the people who have used this new gut will give us their thoughts and feedback on it.
Now a question;what tension to use?
I expect one million answers

WilsonPlayer101
11-04-2011, 10:33 AM
Now a question;what tension to use?
I expect one million answers

My racquet is a Head Youtek Prestige MP, and I use 57 lb tension which is the middle of the range for this racquet.

julian
11-04-2011, 02:34 PM
My racquet is a Head Youtek Prestige MP, and I use 57 lb tension which is the middle of the range for this racquet.
I have Babolat Aero Pro Drive but I do NOT go below 58 pounds.
I will have a sleepless night,I think
Did you read a thread ".... bull strings...."

WilsonPlayer101
11-04-2011, 06:29 PM
I have Babolat Aero Pro Drive but I do NOT go below 58 pounds.
I will have a sleepless night,I think
Did you read a thread ".... bull strings...."

julian, yep, I read the thread about bull strings. I'm interested in them but hoping to hear some more info about them.

julian
11-04-2011, 07:48 PM
julian, yep, I read the thread about bull strings. I'm interested in them but hoping to hear some more info about them.
It will take 10 days to evaluate strings.
Please tell me what do you expect to hear from me.
I am just a tennis coach

WilsonPlayer101
11-05-2011, 08:33 AM
julian, so you bought some? If you bought some even if it takes 10 days to find out what you think of them I am interested and curious. Wonder how they compare to Babolat or to the Pacific Prime or even Blue Spiral.

julian
11-06-2011, 01:46 PM
julian, so you bought some? If you bought some even if it takes 10 days to find out what you think of them I am interested and curious. Wonder how they compare to Babolat or to the Pacific Prime or even Blue Spiral.
I can only compare Pacific Bull 16 with VS Team 17
I do NOT have any money for more comparison
Pacific Bull 60 pounds both main and crosses
VS Team 60 pounds mains,58 pounds crosses
Please do NOT get angry if NOT happy with me

Rabbit
11-06-2011, 02:21 PM
Here you go: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=385314 (no review yet, but our 'pacific expert' has purchased it...)

Hopefully Rabbit will indulge us!

He is the one responsible for the useful info in this great thread after all :D

My bad, I did forget. I'm still loving Lux Ace 18/Tecnifibre NRG 17 set up at present. I will do it, I promise.

WilsonPlayer101
11-06-2011, 04:39 PM
I can only compare Pacific Bull 16 with VS Team 17
I do NOT have any money for more comparison
Pacific Bull 60 pounds both main and crosses
VS Team 60 pounds mains,58 pounds crosses
Please do NOT get angry if NOT happy with me

Gut is expensive so any comparison you can give is appreciated. VS is the standard in gut so I am very happy to hear your results of your comparison. Thanks so much julian.

julian
11-07-2011, 10:08 AM
Gut is expensive so any comparison you can give is appreciated. VS is the standard in gut so I am very happy to hear your results of your comparison. Thanks so much julian.

Is it a competitor with
http://www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com/descpageACBABH-BTNG125.html?vat=PL?

julian
11-07-2011, 10:37 AM
WilsonPlayer101,
do you know a table ?
It is taken from
http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com...ctor_2011.html.
Please see 4 strings marked by an arrow <--------



Gut (Sorted by Stiffness)
Company String Material Gauge Stiffness (lbs/in.) Tension loss (lbs)
Pacific Tough Gut 16L Natural Gut 1.28 83 7.52
Tourna Natural Gut 17 Natural Gut 1.22 84 8.75
Pacific Tough Gut 16 Natural Gut 1.26 88 6.75
Pacific Prime Gut 16L (Bull Fiber) Natural Gut 1.28 90 8.62
Pacific Classic Gut 16L Natural Gut 1.28 92 6.39
Pacific Prime Gut 16L Natural Gut 1.3 92 6.86
Pacific Tough Gut 17L Natural Gut 1.2 94 9.29
Pacific Prime Gut 16 Natural Gut 1.28 97 5.75
Pacific Tough Gut 17 Natural Gut 1.23 97 9.22
Grand Slam Gut Ti. Power 16 (uncoated) Natural Gut 1.3 97 10.92
Head Natural Gut 16 Natural Gut 1.25 99 8.73 <-----------
Pacific Classic Gut 17 Natural Gut 1.28 100 7.78
Grand Slam Gut Grand Slam Gut 15L (coated) Natural Gut 1.36 100 8.58
Wilson Natural 16 Natural Gut 1.31 102 8.43


Babolat VS Team Thermogut 17 Natural Gut 1.26 102 8.45 <---------
Prince Natural Gut 17 Natural Gut 1.23 102 8.49 <---------
Pacific Prime Gut 16 (Bull Fiber) Natural Gut 1.32 103 8.05 <---------
Wilson Natural 17 Natural Gut 1.26 103 8.13 <---------

Pacific Tough Gut 15L Natural Gut 1.4 103 8.66
Grand Slam Gut Black Knight Gut 16 (Coated) Natural Gut 1.32 103 11.91
Klip Armour Pro 16 Natural Gut 1.3 105 7.43
Klip Armour Pro 17 Natural Gut 1.28 105 7.7
Grand Slam Gut Grand Slam Gut 17 (uncoated) Natural Gut 1.28 105 7.87
Pacific Prime Gut 17 Natural Gut 1.22 105 8.45
Klip Legend 16 Uncoated Natural Gut 1.28 106 8.11
Pacific Classic Gut 16 Natural Gut 1.3 106 11.01
Babolat VS Touch Thermogut 16 Natural Gut 1.3 107 8.31
Pacific Tough Gut Imperial (Blue Spiral) 16 Natural Gut 1.3 110 8.23
Bow Brand Championship 16 Natural Gut 1.3 111 7.36