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pushing_wins
12-11-2009, 10:07 PM
to be at the top of his game, maintain focus, while juggling mutiple relationships

wow!!

truly GOAT athelete

lancernrg
12-11-2009, 10:26 PM
Sad...the same couldn't be said about Safin. :(

Bud
12-11-2009, 11:10 PM
to be able to be at top of his game, maintain focus, while juggling mutiple relationships

wow!!

truly GOAT athelete

He didn't 'juggle' them all at one time... he is simply a serial cheater. He went from one to the next... sometimes overlapping a few.

BTW, the number is up to 12 by some accounts.

stanfordtennis alum
12-12-2009, 07:26 AM
to be able to be at top of his game, maintain focus, while juggling mutiple relationships

wow!!

truly GOAT athelete

pretty impressive... didnt really expect such a thing from a world-class athlete

Fedace
12-12-2009, 07:39 AM
pretty impressive... didnt really expect such a thing from a world-class athlete

Didn't expect it ?? didn't expect what ? all world class athletes have multiple girls at beck and call ater marrige. More famous and rich you are, more women you have to do what you want with....

Vyse
12-12-2009, 08:03 AM
he is pathetic and he sickens me. he is not impressive, he is just the opposite. how could he betray everyone he knew. stupid

skyzoo
12-12-2009, 09:11 AM
he is pathetic and he sickens me. he is not impressive, he is just the opposite. how could he betray everyone he knew. stupid
way to take this thread too seriously. congrats buddy

35ft6
12-12-2009, 09:41 AM
Most of the girls aren't that good looking. A few are super trampy. I'm surprised. He could have done a lot better. None of the ones I've seen are super hot.

NickH87
12-12-2009, 10:07 AM
Most of the girls aren't that good looking. A few are super trampy. I'm surprised. He could have done a lot better. None of the ones I've seen are super hot.

:confused:

Id take them all in a heartbeat

Congrats tiger

Xenakis
12-12-2009, 10:19 AM
Can't believe Woods is getting away with this,.... he is not an athlete!, at least he doesn't need to be to play golf.

Couldn't care less about his bedroom habits, that's his business. I think people are a bit wierd for passing judgement on it frankly (probably overcompensating for something.)

mental midget
12-12-2009, 11:14 AM
Most of the girls aren't that good looking. A few are super trampy. I'm surprised. He could have done a lot better. None of the ones I've seen are super hot.

seriously, a few of them looked like someone you'd expect to answer the door at a meth lab or something, some straight-up COPS material.

with all his juice, you'd figure he'd at least restrict the philandering to absolute, otherworldly beauties. strategically, other celebrities would have been a far wiser choice--runway models, people with their own fame and fortune, with SOMETHING TO LOSE, for pete's sake.

home slice did not think this through. should have called pacino for his rolodex or something, draft on some of the old hollywood discretion.

LanEvo
12-12-2009, 11:28 AM
Can't believe Woods is getting away with this,.... he is not an athlete!, at least he doesn't need to be to play golf.

Couldn't care less about his bedroom habits, that's his business. I think people are a bit wierd for passing judgement on it frankly (probably overcompensating for something.)

i know, and i wonder how his family and wife take this

BreakPoint
12-12-2009, 12:05 PM
BTW, the number is up to 12 by some accounts.
I've heard numbers as high as 18. :shock:

Some of them are porn stars. :)

sureshs
12-12-2009, 12:18 PM
He became the golf GOAT because of his affairs. It was what kept him motivated - what he would be doing the night after the big win.

Imagine what Federer could have achieved with 10+ women. He would have trounced Nadal in all the Slams. But once he thought "it is going to be the same Mirka tonight after beating Nadal at Wimbledon," his enthusiasm fell and he lost.

35ft6
12-12-2009, 03:03 PM
seriously, a few of them looked like someone you'd expect to answer the door at a meth lab or something, some straight-up COPS material.

with all his juice, you'd figure he'd at least restrict the philandering to absolute, otherworldly beauties. strategically, other celebrities would have been a far wiser choice--runway models, people with their own fame and fortune, with SOMETHING TO LOSE, for pete's sake.

home slice did not think this through. should have called pacino for his rolodex or something, draft on some of the old hollywood discretion.Quoted for truth.

THESEXPISTOL
12-12-2009, 03:23 PM
A lot of top athletes do it.. he only got caught..

r2473
12-12-2009, 03:46 PM
Most of the girls aren't that good looking. A few are super trampy.

Who doesn't like a dirty girl?

35ft6
12-12-2009, 04:00 PM
^ True. When you're wasted a dirty girl is liberating... :P

Dedans Penthouse
12-12-2009, 04:56 PM
ok so he creeeped-out by cheating on a woman whom he (in a 'cute' moment) learned to say jag alskar dig ... and then went the wrong route........the unfortunate route of (some) super stars......and then "#5 showed up"......then.... "#11! shows up?!....

11?

your call, Tiger.

ramseszerg
12-12-2009, 05:15 PM
50 women? trampy girls photographed? Can you guys link some stories and pictures.. Having trouble googling it up.

chess9
12-12-2009, 05:27 PM
I'd guess Tiger has hit more than 100 women. Most women aren't going to kiss and tell because it makes THEM look trashy. So, take the known number and multiply by 20-50. Elin must not be good at math. Simple multiplication would have me out that door in a heartbeat.... I hope the money's worth it....

-Robert

snoopy
12-12-2009, 05:29 PM
I don't think it's that hard to "juggle" prostitutes.

Steve Huff
12-12-2009, 05:36 PM
Woods is just another example of a person who, financially, has the world in his hands, and messes it up. He has a beautiful wife, the money and connections to do whatever he wants (vacation with his family etc), and can't keep his dick in his drawers. Not only is he unfaithful, but he's selfish. He's exposed his wife to every disease any of his sexual encounters could have given him. What a jerk.

ramseszerg
12-12-2009, 05:39 PM
Woods is just another example of a person who, financially, has the world in his hands, and messes it up. He has a beautiful wife, the money and connections to do whatever he wants (vacation with his family etc), and can't keep his dick in his drawers. Not only is he unfaithful, but he's selfish. He's exposed his wife to every disease any of his sexual encounters could have given him. What a jerk.

thumbs up.

10char

Fedace
12-12-2009, 06:51 PM
Who doesn't like a dirty girl?

That girl in the sportscar modeling looks hot.

texasdoc
12-12-2009, 07:14 PM
as a husband and a father- it would require a LOT for me to consider completely destroying my domestic situation.

the desire for flesh is strong in all men - but respect/love for family should prevent you for acting on these desires if you are a mature person.

my feeling is Tiger is simply extremely self-absorbed and selfish - as well immature - and doesn't really care too much about his family and the effect of his actions on them.

Sad, pathetic, and empty person.

CanadianChic
12-12-2009, 08:40 PM
to be at the top of his game, maintain focus, while juggling mutiple relationships

wow!!

truly GOAT athelete

You're not accused often of original ideas or thoughts are you? As for the little boys on the forum who applaud his actions, you just sound sad and pathetic. Here is a guy who had the respect of the golf community, heck...the sports community and beyond, companies vying for him to endorse their products, money, fame and a beautiful family. I don't like golf but thought from what I knew of him that he was a decent guy and great role model.

Now watch as his life crashes around him and celebrate it by heralding his sexual escapades. I have a feeling the last thing the guy feels like right now is a hero. He may lose his beautiful wife, custody of his children, his mother was hospitalized due to stress, millions in endorsements, his career is on hold indefinately, respect, and in essence...his life as he knew it.

Now, I don't pity him - he brought this on himself but I do hope he can salvage his family and career. I am against infidelity but those women are bottom feeders as are the media. Seriously, some of them look like street walkers who claim to love a man who used them. He never promised them anything and I doubt would ever walk away from his life but they clung to a possibility and that is pathetic. One even asked him for money and was shocked when he didn't give it...yet still claims to love him. Get a life. Every dancer and prostitute from Vegas is making a claim and attempting to cash in on this scandal. The media is doing their usual thing which is to be expected in a country as scandal hungry as America. They scream from the headlines about how his lack of morality denotes his role model status yet the cover of every magazine screams the story in case one person in the Gobi desert hasn't heard yet.

This isn't news. This is trash and anyone who thinks he is a 'man' for using women and hurting his wife and children like he did are trash as well in my opinion. Good grief!

LiveForever
12-12-2009, 08:50 PM
You're not accused often of original ideas or thoughts are you? As for the little boys on the forum who applaud his actions, you just sound sad and pathetic. Here is a guy who had the respect of the golf community, heck...the sports community and beyond, companies vying for him to endorse their products, money, fame and a beautiful family. I don't like golf but thought from what I knew of him that he was a decent guy and great role model.

Now watch as his life crashes around him and celebrate it by heralding his sexual escapades. I have a feeling the last thing the guy feels like right now is a hero. He may lose his beautiful wife, custody of his children, his mother was hospitalized due to stress, millions in endorsements, his career is on hold indefinately, respect, and in essence...his life as he knew it.

Now, I don't pity him - he brought this on himself but I do hope he can salvage his family and career. I am against infidelity but those women are bottom feeders as are the media. Seriously, some of them look like street walkers who claim to love a man who used them. He never promised them anything and I doubt would ever walk away from his life but they clung to a possibility and that is pathetic. One even asked him for money and was shocked when he didn't give it...yet still claims to love him. Get a life. Every dancer and prostitute from Vegas is making a claim and attempting to cash in on this scandal. The media is doing their usual thing which is to be expected in a country as scandal hungry as America. They scream from the headlines about how his lack of morality denotes his role model status yet the cover of every magazine screams the story in case one person in the Gobi desert hasn't heard yet.

This isn't news. This is trash and anyone who thinks he is a 'man' for using women and hurting his wife and children like he did are trash as well in my opinion. Good grief!
Good post. Although I think the guy who started this thread was just trying to make a joke out of the situation .

CanadianChic
12-12-2009, 08:51 PM
Good post. Although I think the guy who started this thread was just trying to make a joke out of the situation .

Perhaps but the multiple threads are tiresome and trollish in my opinion, and thanks.

maverick66
12-12-2009, 09:49 PM
Perhaps but the multiple threads are tiresome and trollish in my opinion, and thanks.

very true. Its getting old. We dont need like 3-5 threads about it. the first thread works just fine.

BreakPoint
12-12-2009, 11:56 PM
Woods is just another example of a person who, financially, has the world in his hands, and messes it up. He has a beautiful wife, the money and connections to do whatever he wants (vacation with his family etc), and can't keep his dick in his drawers. Not only is he unfaithful, but he's selfish. He's exposed his wife to every disease any of his sexual encounters could have given him. What a jerk.
Especially since it's been reported by some of the women that he slept with that he refused to wear a condom.

David_Is_Right
12-13-2009, 02:57 AM
Perhaps but the multiple threads are tiresome and trollish in my opinion, and thanks.

very true. Its getting old. We dont need like 3-5 threads about it. the first thread works just fine.

Multiple threads about a hot topic are going to happen on a busy message board. Natural selection will weed out the chaff. You can't manually funnel people into the "best" one.

Bud
12-13-2009, 03:00 AM
Most of the girls aren't that good looking. A few are super trampy. I'm surprised. He could have done a lot better. None of the ones I've seen are super hot.

seriously, a few of them looked like someone you'd expect to answer the door at a meth lab or something, some straight-up COPS material.

with all his juice, you'd figure he'd at least restrict the philandering to absolute, otherworldly beauties. strategically, other celebrities would have been a far wiser choice--runway models, people with their own fame and fortune, with SOMETHING TO LOSE, for pete's sake.

home slice did not think this through. should have called pacino for his rolodex or something, draft on some of the old hollywood discretion.

Money doesn't equal class or good taste.

David_Is_Right
12-13-2009, 03:00 AM
Seriously, some of them look like street walkers who claim to love a man who used them.

Taking the moral high ground on Woods' treatment of women is a bit rich when you brand these women prostitutes because of how they look.

pushing_wins
12-13-2009, 10:23 AM
I don't think it's that hard to "juggle" prostitutes.


prostitutes, wives, mistresses - 24mth+, gfs, hiding porn on pc, etc etc.

CanadianChic
12-13-2009, 10:29 AM
Taking the moral high ground on Woods' treatment of women is a bit rich when you brand these women prostitutes because of how they look.

Actually I branded them as appearing like street walkers. There is actually a distinction between the two terms and a few of the 'self proclaimed' mistresses admit to prostitution as a profession (although they like to use the term 'host' *snort*). Perhaps if I exclaimed that some of them appear like well worn porn stars that would be more suitable (or rich) to you?

pushing_wins
12-13-2009, 10:38 AM
You're not accused often of original ideas or thoughts are you? As for the little boys on the forum who applaud his actions, you just sound sad and pathetic. Here is a guy who had the respect of the golf community, heck...the sports community and beyond, companies vying for him to endorse their products, money, fame and a beautiful family. I don't like golf but thought from what I knew of him that he was a decent guy and great role model.

Now watch as his life crashes around him and celebrate it by heralding his sexual escapades. I have a feeling the last thing the guy feels like right now is a hero. He may lose his beautiful wife, custody of his children, his mother was hospitalized due to stress, millions in endorsements, his career is on hold indefinately, respect, and in essence...his life as he knew it.

Now, I don't pity him - he brought this on himself but I do hope he can salvage his family and career. I am against infidelity but those women are bottom feeders as are the media. Seriously, some of them look like street walkers who claim to love a man who used them. He never promised them anything and I doubt would ever walk away from his life but they clung to a possibility and that is pathetic. One even asked him for money and was shocked when he didn't give it...yet still claims to love him. Get a life. Every dancer and prostitute from Vegas is making a claim and attempting to cash in on this scandal. The media is doing their usual thing which is to be expected in a country as scandal hungry as America. They scream from the headlines about how his lack of morality denotes his role model status yet the cover of every magazine screams the story in case one person in the Gobi desert hasn't heard yet.

This isn't news. This is trash and anyone who thinks he is a 'man' for using women and hurting his wife and children like he did are trash as well in my opinion. Good grief!

the logistic of cheating is the biggest challenge.

most men can relate to how troublesome it is to clean your hard drive. hiding a few files on your pc is trouble enough.
cheating is not easy and it takes a toll on you after a while. it takes a hell of lot of planning.

that is my point.

was this original? i m not sure. i didnt read the other threads.

dont be so quick to judge

pushing_wins
12-13-2009, 10:41 AM
Actually I branded them as appearing like street walkers. There is actually a distinction between the two terms and a few of the 'self proclaimed' mistresses admit to prostitution as a profession (although they like to use the term 'host' *snort*). Perhaps if I exclaimed that some of them appear like well worn porn stars that would be more suitable (or rich) to you?

it is not my intention to discuss morals or to judge on this thread

it is very difficult task to pull of what he did and at the same time dominate a sport

sureshs
12-13-2009, 11:15 AM
Especially since it's been reported by some of the women that he slept with that he refused to wear a condom.

Then he is a real fool

35ft6
12-13-2009, 01:54 PM
Woods is just another example of a person who, financially, has the world in his hands, and messes it up.Well, he supposedly told the girls he was unhappy with his existence. Seriously, I would love to have his problems, but on the other hand, I hate being the center of attention, I like being anonymous, so it might like a Twilight Zone episode where a normal dude asks to be the highest paid athlete in the world, gets it, and realizes, ironically, it's a living hell. Tiger said he hated the isolation of his gated community, his high profile, and, also, that since she had babies, his wife was completely disinterested in having sex.

Bottom line, you can have money and still be incredibly conflicted with life. Some of the most miserable people I've met in my life were wealthy. And they're not a mega celebrity like Tiger. I would hate to be that dude, although i would love to have a fraction of his net worth.

Bill Maher said something about cheating and not cheating is about opportunity. Sort of reminds me of the fat women who stand up on talk shows to yell at the hot girls on stage, stuff like "women shouldn't show skin!!!!!" But maybe if those women were in good shape, they would also want to wear short shorts and mini skirts. Same thing with guys. I don't condone cheating, but I can't imagine how hard it must be to stay faithful when you're a young billionaire and women are literally throwing themselves at you. You don't even have to mack on them really, they are just immediately down for whatever. At some point, when you're drunk, and a super cute girl is hanging all over you...

And likewise, men should understand if their wife wanted to do George Clooney if he ever gave her the time of day. :)

chess9
12-14-2009, 04:23 AM
http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sex_news_sports_funny_grok/you_dont_know_dick_about_manhood?utm_source=weekly _dose&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=tmuscle

-Robert

pushing_wins
12-14-2009, 03:21 PM
And likewise, men should understand if their wife wanted to do George Clooney if he ever gave her the time of day. :)

i dont think its the same.

why are there exponential more brothels for men than for women?

Fedace
12-14-2009, 03:26 PM
Accensure droped Tiger yesterday... Biggest mistake they will make ever. Will Tiger forgive them?? don't think so.......

Bad Dog
12-15-2009, 05:11 AM
why are there exponential more brothels for men than for women?

Reason: In most societies, the male sex drive is generally not related to his emotional self-esteem.

Bad Dog
12-15-2009, 05:13 AM
the desire for flesh is strong in all men



So far, it would appear that nobody has indicated whether Tiger’s wife slept with him as much as he may have preferred. If a man is often denied water and food, which he may desire every day, should he be blamed for looking elsewhere?

malakas
12-15-2009, 05:16 AM
some men should be castrated and be done with.

malakas
12-15-2009, 06:52 AM
the nation has gone downhill ever since.:(

TheMagicianOfPrecision
12-15-2009, 07:13 AM
Most of the girls aren't that good looking. A few are super trampy. I'm surprised. He could have done a lot better. None of the ones I've seen are super hot.

My thoughts exactly, if he is gonna do it, at least do it with style. Some of them does NOT look that good imo.

Dedans Penthouse
12-15-2009, 07:18 AM
Dedans...don't mess with me.
I castrate males for living.

:pAnd I bet you're 'good' at it--ouch!
Don't worry malakas, I ain't messin' with YOU pal-lol!

http://www.kenniker.com/italy/vatican-eunachT.jpg

Fedace
12-15-2009, 07:19 AM
That statue is hung like a horse :)

I think that is supposed to be the God, Apollo. It is not a real man...:???:

Bud
12-15-2009, 07:20 AM
I think that is supposed to be the God, Apollo. It is not a real man...:???:

Actually, it's Chuck Norris :)

TourTenor
12-15-2009, 08:14 AM
Dedans...don't mess with me.
I castrate males for living.

:p
That explains Radek ....

Dedans Penthouse
12-15-2009, 08:24 AM
Bud, Fedace, M.O.P.: check the face (and beard) of that statue: it's CHUCK NORRIS!

ClubHoUno
12-15-2009, 09:17 AM
Woods is just another example of a person who, financially, has the world in his hands, and messes it up. He has a beautiful wife, the money and connections to do whatever he wants (vacation with his family etc), and can't keep his dick in his drawers. Not only is he unfaithful, but he's selfish. He's exposed his wife to every disease any of his sexual encounters could have given him. What a jerk.

You ever heard of condoms ?

Who are you to blame a guy for things going on in his private life ?

We know Tiger for his golf game and his Foundation. What he does in his private life behind the closed doors to his villa, yacht and at the strip clubs really is not of yours, mine or any others concern.

I can't believe how thid story can continue to be interesting and hot news. Kobe Bryant did it, Michael Jordan did it, David Beckham did it - SO FUC_KING WHAT !!!

While Tiger maybe should have kept his di_ck in his pants, you really ought to keep your nose in your own affairs and not in Tigers.....

Just my 2 cents of honest opinion....

sureshs
12-15-2009, 09:24 AM
You ever heard of condoms ?


Which he did NOT use, according to Breakpoint

ClubHoUno
12-15-2009, 09:27 AM
some men should be castrated and be done with.

What the he_ll do you know about Tigers situation and his private life ?

What if he had a wife, that denied him a sex life - It's a private matter and we the public should turn to other things instead of judging Tiger for things we in reality know next to NOTHING about.

I can't understand the number of guys/girls who prejudge Tiger to that extend.....it sickens me, so sad :(

I like Tiger as a golfer, but I know NOTHING about the guys private matters, and unless you know Elin, you don't know a thing about it either.....

ClubHoUno
12-15-2009, 09:33 AM
Which he did NOT use, according to Breakpoint

You're basing your knowledge on BreakPoint or the media ?

Again - we know NOTHING about this matter.....

Don't prejudge the guy - I was just a Tiger fan, when he played golf . Never was a fan of him outside the course, but please let the guy mind his own private 'affairs'.

sureshs
12-15-2009, 09:37 AM
You're basing your knowledge on BreakPoint or the media ?


What are you basing your knowledge on?

malakas
12-15-2009, 09:42 AM
how exactly does BreakPoint know if Tiger used a condom or not?

malakas
12-15-2009, 09:44 AM
What the he_ll do you know about Tigers situation and his private life ?

What if he had a wife, that denied him a sex life - It's a private matter and we the public should turn to other things instead of judging Tiger for things we in reality know next to NOTHING about.

I can't understand the number of guys/girls who prejudge Tiger to that extend.....it sickens me, so sad :(

I like Tiger as a golfer, but I know NOTHING about the guys private matters, and unless you know Elin, you don't know a thing about it either.....

heyyyhey hey.Take it easy there.
It was just a general conclusion many have made before me completely justifiable by the behaviour of the male subspecies over the centuries.Don't take it personal.

kingdaddy41788
12-15-2009, 09:50 AM
Okay, I'm not going to claim he was faithful to his wife. But have you seen some of these women? I would bet that at least 85% of them are lying.

Bud
12-15-2009, 09:51 AM
how exactly does BreakPoint know if Tiger used a condom or not?

Perhaps, BP is ho #13... :shock:

sureshs
12-15-2009, 09:52 AM
how exactly does BreakPoint know if Tiger used a condom or not?

I am not going to go there ....

Bud
12-15-2009, 09:52 AM
Okay, I'm not going to claim he was faithful to his wife. But have you seen some of these women? I would bet that at least 85% of them are lying.

Have you heard Tiger deny it... from ANY of these women? I'm betting the actual number is MUCH higher.

sureshs
12-15-2009, 09:59 AM
You guys don't understand how this works. If you read the various columns, the picture goes like this:

In big cities like Vegas, there are a number of "companions" always available, and coordinated thru agents. I have myself seen these companions when I used to take a weekend flight to Vegas from Irvine. From all over Orange County and LA, these women flock to Vegas during the weekend, during big trade shows, conventions, etc. This happens around the world. Tiger had a woman who would fly up ahead and organize these women to show up at the nightclubs which Tiger would visit (in the VIP lounges). He would indicate preferences and this woman would try her best to match them. As far as the looks go, I am willing to believe some are horrible, but they might have been the only ones available at that time and place. Apparently, all this requires a lot of organizing (in a discreet fashion) and not as you may think the best looking are always available.

ClubHoUno
12-15-2009, 10:00 AM
What are you basing your knowledge on?

You don't get it.... I have no knowledge about this matter, and so have nobody else besides Tiger, maybe Elin and the girls Tiger slept with - that's the whole point for Christ sake !

sureshs
12-15-2009, 10:08 AM
You don't get it.... I have no knowledge about this matter, and so have nobody else besides Tiger, maybe Elin and the girls Tiger slept with - that's the whole point for Christ sake !

Not really - a lot of details have come out now. There is a whole lot of knowledge out there, especially regarding how these setups were carefully organized. It has also come out that Tiger was in bed with one of the women when his father died. Same bed he uses with his wife.

Bad Dog
12-15-2009, 10:12 AM
Tiger had a woman who would fly up ahead and organize these women to show up at the nightclubs which Tiger would visit (in the VIP lounges). He would indicate preferences and this woman would try her best to match them.


For a fee; a bit like what Priority One or RPNY can do to match tennis players’ preferences in racquets?

malakas
12-15-2009, 10:13 AM
Not really - a lot of details have come out now. There is a whole lot of knowledge out there, especially regarding how these setups were carefully organized. It has also come out that Tiger was in bed with one of the women when his father died. Same bed he uses with his wife.

same bed?are you sure it was the same bed?

Next,we will be fed with details about Tiger's favourite position.:rolleyes:

ClubHoUno
12-15-2009, 10:15 AM
heyyyhey hey.Take it easy there.
It was just a general conclusion many have made before me completely justifiable by the behaviour of the male subspecies over the centuries.Don't take it personal.

FYI - that's how men are working down 'there' and between the ears.

Men will always deep down be on the 'hunt' for something else - women can't and will never be able to understand nor accept this.

I wish men (me, Tiger, Beckham and a few other billions out there, which are 'hung' or not so hung between the legs) was created and working differently, but we are what we are - maybe Tiger cheated on his wife, because he COULD & WANTED TO, maybe because Elin denied him sex.

We will never know - and because of that, we really ought to stop prejudging the guy.

Men all over the world cheats on their wifes and girlfriends, so can't see Tigers doing the same is that interesting - so come on and move on and leave the guy alone.

malakas
12-15-2009, 10:19 AM
FYI - that's how men are working down 'there' and between the ears.

Men will always deep down be on the 'hunt' for something else - women can't and will never be able to understand nor accept this.

I wish men (me, Tiger, Beckham and a few other billions out there, which are 'hung' or not so hung between the legs) was created and working differently, but we are what we are - maybe Tiger cheated on his wife, because he COULD & WANTED TO, maybe because Elin denied him sex.

We will never know - and because of that, we really ought to stop prejudging the guy.

Men all over the world cheats on their wifes and girlfriends, so can't see Tigers doing the same is that interesting - so come on and move on and leave the guy alone.

I know that men have 2 dysfunctional brains instead of one and good..but so what?does that makes cheating in a marriage normal and acceptful?No.
If he wanted to fool around,he could all he wanted as a free man.Since he married,cheating is not accepted.
You are what you are yes.But you are NOT by definition cheaters too.

ClubHoUno
12-15-2009, 10:26 AM
Not really - a lot of details have come out now. There is a whole lot of knowledge out there, especially regarding how these setups were carefully organized. It has also come out that Tiger was in bed with one of the women when his father died. Same bed he uses with his wife.

You're basing your knowledge on money hungry women and a hyped up media, that has putt the pressure on Tiger.

In my book knowledge of that kind is not worth the paper, It's written on.

So Tiger had sex the day his father died.........maybe he was trying to escape from his grief that day.

It's a PRIVATE MATTER, WHEN AND WHERE AND TO WHOM people are having sex - why do you and other guys have to discuss private personal matters of that kind on a public forum ?

Leave him alone for Petes sake.

Next thing you tell me he was masturbating or licking his GF in a toilet next to where his kids sleep - COME ON, DON'T YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF DIGNITY OR MORAL :(

ClubHoUno
12-15-2009, 11:00 AM
I know that men have 2 dysfunctional brains instead of one and good..but so what?does that makes cheating in a marriage normal and acceptful?No.
If he wanted to fool around,he could all he wanted as a free man.Since he married,cheating is not accepted.
You are what you are yes.But you are NOT by definition cheaters too.

Of course cheating on your woman/wife/GF IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, and I sure wish men/I was created differently sometimes - but unfortunately we're/I'm not :(

We have a 'pressure' to relieve on a daily basis, that most women don't have in quite the same way..... And this pressure is what makes us MEN, and is the reason why people like Tiger, Beckham and a few million other men visit strip clubs, hotel lobbies and brothels often - far too often in most womens views.

If my GF over a longer periode denies to have sex with me, I would at some point start looking around, but the first few weeks just use my right and left hand - but I would start to look around. Maybe Tiger felt trapped in his relationship, maybe he was just a BIG DOB and wanted to be with other ladies.

WE NEVER WILL KNOW FOR SURE !

But cheating is not OK, but at some point in certain relationships, cheating can be the only way out for some of us.

I used to be in a relationship with a GF, who used SEX as a way of pressure to get what she wanted, and I couldn't accept or live with that over a longer period, so at some point I started 'dating' other women (girls from my work and girls I met at clubs and bars). Our relationship finally ended, and now I'm with a new Girl/lady, that knows NOT to use sex as a way of mean to get what she wants.

Because she knows what will happen, if she uses that button for a longer period.
Of course Elin could have been in a situation, where she simply didn't feel like having sex, but if this continues for several months, a normal guy and obviously also Tiger will start searching and looking for female company elsewhere.

So cheating IS NOT ACCEPTABLE behaviour in a relationship, but at some point in a relationship, in my view, it can become the only way out for a guy.

Left and right hand can work for a period, but only a period in my personal opinion.

Bud
12-15-2009, 11:03 AM
same bed?are you sure it was the same bed?

Next,we will be fed with details about Tiger's favourite position.:rolleyes:

Yes, same bed.

BTW, his favorite position is kitty style :mrgreen:

Shangri La
12-15-2009, 11:11 AM
His taste is questionable, except for his wife.

pushing_wins
12-15-2009, 11:43 AM
Of course cheating on your woman/wife/GF IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, and I sure wish men/I was created differently sometimes - but unfortunately we're/I'm not :(

We have a 'pressure' to relieve on a daily basis, that most women don't have in quite the same way..... And this pressure is what makes us MEN, and is the reason why people like Tiger, Beckham and a few million other men visit strip clubs, hotel lobbies and brothels often - far too often in most womens views.

If my GF over a longer periode denies to have sex with me, I would at some point start looking around, but the first few weeks just use my right and left hand - but I would start to look around. Maybe Tiger felt trapped in his relationship, maybe he was just a BIG DOB and wanted to be with other ladies.

WE NEVER WILL KNOW FOR SURE !

But cheating is not OK, but at some point in certain relationships, cheating can be the only way out for some of us.

I used to be in a relationship with a GF, who used SEX as a way of pressure to get what she wanted, and I couldn't accept or live with that over a longer period, so at some point I started 'dating' other women (girls from my work and girls I met at clubs and bars). Our relationship finally ended, and now I'm with a new Girl/lady, that knows NOT to use sex as a way of mean to get what she wants.

Because she knows what will happen, if she uses that button for a longer period.
Of course Elin could have been in a situation, where she simply didn't feel like having sex, but if this continues for several months, a normal guy and obviously also Tiger will start searching and looking for female company elsewhere.

So cheating IS NOT ACCEPTABLE behaviour in a relationship, but at some point in a relationship, in my view, it can become the only way out for a guy.

Left and right hand can work for a period, but only a period in my personal opinion.


couldnt disagree more

men look elsewhere because they are tired of doing the same girl.

not because she doesnt put out

u are in the minority

pushing_wins
12-15-2009, 11:47 AM
His taste is questionable, except for his wife.


you wouldnt want to get a prim and proper trophy wife too dirty.



all women serve a purpose

Bad Dog
12-15-2009, 12:05 PM
couldnt disagree more

men look elsewhere because they are tired of doing the same girl.

not because she doesnt put out

u are in the minority



So most of the world’s men are in the minority?

Bad Dog
12-15-2009, 12:06 PM
you wouldnt want to get a prim and proper trophy wife too dirty.



Perhaps Tiger would, but she wouldn’t.

Bad Dog
12-15-2009, 12:07 PM
all women serve a purpose


Do you feel that most women see themselves that way?

MAX PLY
12-15-2009, 12:11 PM
Very interesting and diverse views around here. I will add my two cents.

First, of course there is a great deal that we do not know but for the most part those are details. What we do know is that Tiger, by his own admission, committed acts of infidelity. Full Stop. Irrespective of what motivated his infidelity (no, I do not care if Elin was a shrew of the first order or completely frigid), the fact is that Tiger broke the most solemn vow a man can give. That fact alone makes him a man who cannot keep his word and thus not worthy of respect. Period. Part of that vow is "for better or worse" thus even if Elin was hideous, that fact alone doesn't release Tiger from his vow. A marriage is not easy and it takes continuous work--so if Tiger felt he needed to sow oats, he should have either (1) not gotten married; (2) sought counseling of some sort or (3) worked to dissolve the marriage. Certainly if he was not committed to Elin, he should have thought twice about having two children. Bottom line: He broke his word and betrayed the one person on the planet he swore to be faithful to.

Second, while everyone is certainly entitled to privacy, it is not a selective process. If you are in a position to control the the selective dissemination of information and use that control to "market" yourself as a wholesome family guy and a champion of fair play to make a substantial profit, it seems wholly disingenous to hide behind the shield of "it's a private matter" when you lose control of the information flow. Certainly he has no obligation to comment whatsoever, but he should not object to the publicity. Live by the sword, die by sword. That contention does not mean that he (meaning his person) is not entitled to be left alone--he is--but it does mean that all of the seedy facts that can be discovered by enterprising media vultures are now fair game.

Finally, having stated all this, I do hope he and Elin can work things out and do wish them well. One thing is for sure--Tiger is the big loser here and no matter what, the legacy he could have had will never happen--all due to a very deep and sad self-inflicted wound.

Bad Dog
12-15-2009, 12:47 PM
Irrespective of what motivated his infidelity (no, I do not care if Elin was a shrew of the first order or completely frigid)


But let's not forget that here in America, if one spouse denies physical relations on a relatively consistent basis, such refusal may essentially be deemed to be defeating the marriage, and grounds for divorce. Thus one spouse may defeat the marriage by often denying physical relations, or the other spouse may defeat the marriage by often cheating. Both may be predictably unfortunate and equivalent ways to the exact same result.

pushing_wins
12-15-2009, 01:52 PM
So most of the world’s men are in the minority?

can u please back up your claim?

over 50% men that visit brothels have decent(50%+ men woud rate them as decent) gfs

idk

what is more appealing?

the average middle age housewife who had a few kids vs. some 20 something working girl in vegas.

pushing_wins
12-15-2009, 01:56 PM
Do you feel that most women see themselves that way?

sure

they look trampy for a reason

pushing_wins
12-15-2009, 01:58 PM
Perhaps Tiger would, but she wouldn’t.

tiger ......... been there done that

pushing_wins
12-15-2009, 02:03 PM
clinton cheated because hillary wasnt putting out?

come on

Bad Dog
12-15-2009, 02:17 PM
can u please back up your claim?

over 50% men that visit brothels have decent(50%+ men woud rate them as decent) gfs


Why don't you start by backing up your own claims first? Even if many significant others rate their partners as decent, decent partners may nonetheless have relatively lower libidos.

Bad Dog
12-15-2009, 02:20 PM
Do you feel that most women see themselves that way?

sure

they look trampy for a reason


So you are claiming that most women look trampy?

Bad Dog
12-15-2009, 02:21 PM
tiger ......... been there done that


Are you suggesting that is the way his wife felt about him first? Then it may explain a lot.

Bad Dog
12-15-2009, 02:23 PM
clinton cheated because hillary wasnt putting out?

come on


I did not mention the Clintons; you did. So if you actually know anything more than mere speculation, could you please back up your claims? You've been asking me (and possibly others) to back up claims, so you probably need to start first.

pushing_wins
12-15-2009, 03:57 PM
I did not mention the Clintons; you did. So if you actually know anything more than mere speculation, could you please back up your claims? You've been asking me (and possibly others) to back up claims, so you probably need to start first.

we are both speculating.

let me ask you this

who would u sleep with?
1) hillary - whom u have been married to for 40 years
2) 20 something vegas call girl without any consequences.

Bad Dog
12-15-2009, 05:04 PM
we are both speculating.

let me ask you this

who would u sleep with?
1) hillary - whom u have been married to for 40 years
2) 20 something vegas call girl without any consequences.



Let’s ask you this: Would you mind if somebody cheats on you, with someone more appealing than you? Should there be any consequences? How do you speculate you would react?

Also, where do you get the notion of “without any consequences”? Consequences are everywhere, good or bad. Many people mistakenly believe that they can routinely get away with things without consequences – but then those serious consequences catch up to them. A good sign of intelligence is evidenced by thinking about the possible risks/consequences ahead of time, before deciding whether to act or not.

Decisions to act and decisions to “not” act generally have consequences, good or bad. For example, one of my earlier observations was that in marriage, the decision to cheat on your spouse and the decision to often decline to sleep with your spouse may both have consequences, as both may be legitimate grounds for termination of marriage.

Morrissey
12-15-2009, 05:15 PM
as a husband and a father- it would require a LOT for me to consider completely destroying my domestic situation.

the desire for flesh is strong in all men - but respect/love for family should prevent you for acting on these desires if you are a mature person.

my feeling is Tiger is simply extremely self-absorbed and selfish - as well immature - and doesn't really care too much about his family and the effect of his actions on them.

Sad, pathetic, and empty person.

From one married man to another, this is a well written post and I share your sentiment.

Morrissey
12-15-2009, 05:23 PM
Bill Maher said something about cheating and not cheating is about opportunity. Sort of reminds me of the fat women who stand up on talk shows to yell at the hot girls on stage, stuff like "women shouldn't show skin!!!!!" But maybe if those women were in good shape, they would also want to wear short shorts and mini skirts. Same thing with guys. I don't condone cheating, but I can't imagine how hard it must be to stay faithful when you're a young billionaire and women are literally throwing themselves at you. You don't even have to mack on them really, they are just immediately down for whatever. At some point, when you're drunk, and a super cute girl is hanging all over you...

And likewise, men should understand if their wife wanted to do George Clooney if he ever gave her the time of day. :)

I agree with that statement. But some do have the opportunity and still turn it down because they are strong willed and most importantly in love with the person they are married to first and foremost. Just think if your significant other did that to you, so you obviously have to think about their feelings if you did something like that yourself. Which tells me Tiger didn't consider Elin's feelings at all and was being selfish. But close to 20 women? I mean the guy simply got off on meeting as many women as possible while he got away with it. If he had not gotten caught the list would have been longer.

Dedans Penthouse
12-15-2009, 05:53 PM
Minister: "Tiger?"

Tiger: "I do"


par 5: triple bogey ('8') ....and counting......

leeroy85
12-15-2009, 06:56 PM
My guess is Tiger knew of the consequences but pushed it aside. If Elin leaves him and moves to Sweden with the kids, he is going to seriously depressed.

ramseszerg
12-15-2009, 08:04 PM
I think he just really didn't like masturbating

35ft6
12-15-2009, 08:35 PM
I agree with that statement. But some do have the opportunity and still turn it down because they are strong willed and most importantly in love with the person they are married to first and foremost. I agree, if you promise to be faithful, that should mean something.

But who really knows how many mega rich men cheat on their wives. Most aren't as high profile as Tiger, and even with him, who knows if we ever would have heard about it without that car crash. Maybe you hear something, but dismiss it as rumor because the story never goes nuclear. Like Michael Jordan, I've heard and read tons of stuff about his cheating, but it never became a national obsession. Cheating among the super rich and famous, way more common than among average folks. That lifestyle sort of lends itself to it, and even if you and I agree a man should be faithful to his girl, it's not like we feel this way after years of living a jet set lifestyle where you are constantly surrounded by attractive people anxious to fulfill your every whim.

I actually give props to his wife for making such a stink about it. I think a lot of women would be like "he's rich... he's the father or my daddy..." and stand by their man. She has every right to be ****ed at him and I hope she makes out like a bandit.

pushing_wins
12-15-2009, 11:31 PM
Let’s ask you this: Would you mind if somebody cheats on you, with someone more appealing than you? Should there be any consequences? How do you speculate you would react?

Also, where do you get the notion of “without any consequences”? Consequences are everywhere, good or bad. Many people mistakenly believe that they can routinely get away with things without consequences – but then those serious consequences catch up to them. A good sign of intelligence is evidenced by thinking about the possible risks/consequences ahead of time, before deciding whether to act or not.

Decisions to act and decisions to “not” act generally have consequences, good or bad. For example, one of my earlier observations was that in marriage, the decision to cheat on your spouse and the decision to often decline to sleep with your spouse may both have consequences, as both may be legitimate grounds for termination of marriage.


let me rephrase the question

which would sell better?
1) 45 year old mother of two adult dvd
2) 20 year old vegas call girl adult dvd

just trying to establish your reasonableness

i will address all issues you brought up subsequent to your response

thanks

pushing_wins
12-15-2009, 11:36 PM
My guess is Tiger knew of the consequences but pushed it aside. If Elin leaves him and moves to Sweden with the kids, he is going to seriously depressed.

he would also be depressed if he was deprived of his extramarital relationships


he is tiger, he is greedy, he can have the cake and eat it too


but i agree, he will be more depressed without his wife

AndrewD
12-15-2009, 11:50 PM
Minister: "Tiger?"

Tiger: "I do"


Barry Bonds: "I didn't".

Me: "They both did".

sureshs
12-16-2009, 05:17 AM
he would also be depressed if he was deprived of his extramarital relationships


LOL that is right. People forget that he did it because he could. Others cannot afford it or just do not have such opportunities. He never thought it was wrong, at least not to any significant extent.

jefferson
12-16-2009, 06:14 AM
Didn't expect it ?? didn't expect what ? all world class athletes have multiple girls at beck and call ater marrige. More famous and rich you are, more women you have to do what you want with....

This is so true! The day the hottest chick in every country throws themselves at you, then you can judge what Tiger does, did, whatever. I do not know many guys who have that kind of will power.

I am not supporting him or other athletes who cheat, but god it must be hard to be faithful.

MAX PLY
12-16-2009, 07:53 AM
But let's not forget that here in America, if one spouse denies physical relations on a relatively consistent basis, such refusal may essentially be deemed to be defeating the marriage, and grounds for divorce. Thus one spouse may defeat the marriage by often denying physical relations, or the other spouse may defeat the marriage by often cheating. Both may be predictably unfortunate and equivalent ways to the exact same result.

What constitutes grounds for a "fault" divorce (as opposed to "no fault") varies widely from state to state here in America (and in Florida, the only two grounds are "mental incapacity" and "the marriage is irretrievably broken" (which one would have to prove and the facts you assert may or may not help prove that). Your contention would be a question of fact for a trier of fact--while many states do list "impotency" as grounds for divorce, "voluntarily withholding relations" may or may not be grounds by itself more may be part of the factual basis for some other contention (cruel treatment for instance.) You are correct that "adultery" is clearly grounds but those, based on what we think we know to date, would only be grounds for Elin to successfully seek divorece. Irrespective of the grounds, the divorce statute does not provide a "self-help" remedy--that is, just because one of the parties may have committed an act that constitutes grounds, that fact alone does not release the other party of its obligations to the marriage. Thus, even in the present case, from what we think we know, Elin seems to have grounds for divorce (at least under the adultery standard in some states and I suspect case law in Florida supports the notion that adultery is a circumstance indicating an "irretrievably broken" marriage), until a divorce is final, her obligation to the marriage should remain intact (yes, even if the other party does not reciprocate). If there is some sort of "deal" between them (often recognized as part of a legal separation) that they are free to do what they please, so be it--but it seems that ought to be expressly consented to and not implied.

pushing_wins
12-16-2009, 01:51 PM
Let’s ask you this: Would you mind if somebody cheats on you, with someone more appealing than you? Should there be any consequences? How do you speculate you would react?

Also, where do you get the notion of “without any consequences”? Consequences are everywhere, good or bad. Many people mistakenly believe that they can routinely get away with things without consequences – but then those serious consequences catch up to them. A good sign of intelligence is evidenced by thinking about the possible risks/consequences ahead of time, before deciding whether to act or not.

Decisions to act and decisions to “not” act generally have consequences, good or bad. For example, one of my earlier observations was that in marriage, the decision to cheat on your spouse and the decision to often decline to sleep with your spouse may both have consequences, as both may be legitimate grounds for termination of marriage.

you are not so bad after all

sureshs
12-16-2009, 02:12 PM
Also, where do you get the notion of “without any consequences”? Consequences are everywhere, good or bad.

Of course there are consequences for every action. But are they good or bad? Do you know the answer and can you back it up with any kind of proof? Otherwise your statement is just a statement of the obvious without any information in it.

Bad Dog
12-16-2009, 03:23 PM
you are not so bad after all


Thank you for your compliment (though my username is well earned). :)

Bad Dog
12-16-2009, 03:27 PM
But let's not forget that here in America, if one spouse denies physical relations on a relatively consistent basis, such refusal may essentially be deemed to be defeating the marriage, and grounds for divorce. Thus one spouse may defeat the marriage by often denying physical relations, or the other spouse may defeat the marriage by often cheating. Both may be predictably unfortunate and equivalent ways to the exact same result.

What constitutes grounds for a "fault" divorce (as opposed to "no fault") varies widely from state to state here in America (and in Florida, the only two grounds are "mental incapacity" and "the marriage is irretrievably broken" (which one would have to prove and the facts you assert may or may not help prove that). Your contention would be a question of fact for a trier of fact--while many states do list "impotency" as grounds for divorce, "voluntarily withholding relations" may or may not be grounds by itself more may be part of the factual basis for some other contention (cruel treatment for instance.) You are correct that "adultery" is clearly grounds but those, based on what we think we know to date, would only be grounds for Elin to successfully seek divorece. Irrespective of the grounds, the divorce statute does not provide a "self-help" remedy--that is, just because one of the parties may have committed an act that constitutes grounds, that fact alone does not release the other party of its obligations to the marriage. Thus, even in the present case, from what we think we know, Elin seems to have grounds for divorce (at least under the adultery standard in some states and I suspect case law in Florida supports the notion that adultery is a circumstance indicating an "irretrievably broken" marriage), until a divorce is final, her obligation to the marriage should remain intact (yes, even if the other party does not reciprocate). If there is some sort of "deal" between them (often recognized as part of a legal separation) that they are free to do what they please, so be it--but it seems that ought to be expressly consented to and not implied.


It appears that you are supporting my reasoning, so thank you for your time and considerable effort. Your post taught me a few things I had not previously considered.

Quoting from your post: “Irrespective of the grounds, the divorce statute does not provide a "self-help" remedy--that is, just because one of the parties may have committed an act that constitutes grounds, that fact alone does not release the other party of its obligations to the marriage.” I did not realize that Tiger’s wife must still presumably perform, for example, conjugal relations with her husband, since “until a divorce is final, her obligation to the marriage should remain intact (yes, even if the other party does not reciprocate).”

Questions: How might a court enforce such marital obligations upon a spouse toward a cheating partner? :) Or are such sundry legal constraints perhaps analogized to speed limit signs – good in theory but often observed in the breach?

Morrissey
12-16-2009, 03:32 PM
My guess is Tiger knew of the consequences but pushed it aside. If Elin leaves him and moves to Sweden with the kids, he is going to seriously depressed.

Well he deserves it, but how bad do you think Elin must have felt when she found out about her husband messing about with over 10 women behind her back? If Tiger is depressed that's nothing compared to what she's been feeling lately.

sureshs
12-16-2009, 03:33 PM
Is there any truth to the story that she has not been receptive to him since the kids were born?

Bad Dog
12-16-2009, 03:34 PM
Of course there are consequences for every action. But are they good or bad? Do you know the answer and can you back it up with any kind of proof? Otherwise your statement is just a statement of the obvious without any information in it.


Sureshs – I often derive some sort of interesting insight from your contributions to these boards – so of course I’d like to reciprocate, even though I'm a bit puzzled as to why you seem somewhat confused about what I wrote. It looks like you forgot to include the rest of my post, so I am re-posting it below for your convenience, after the original question which elicited my answer.


we are both speculating.

let me ask you this

who would u sleep with?
1) hillary - whom u have been married to for 40 years
2) 20 something vegas call girl without any consequences.

Let’s ask you this: Would you mind if somebody cheats on you, with someone more appealing than you? Should there be any consequences? How do you speculate you would react?

Also, where do you get the notion of “without any consequences”? Consequences are everywhere, good or bad. Many people mistakenly believe that they can routinely get away with things without consequences – but then those serious consequences catch up to them. A good sign of intelligence is evidenced by thinking about the possible risks/consequences ahead of time, before deciding whether to act or not.

Decisions to act and decisions to “not” act generally have consequences, good or bad. For example, one of my earlier observations was that in marriage, the decision to cheat on your spouse and the decision to often decline to sleep with your spouse may both have consequences, as both may be legitimate grounds for termination of marriage.

Morrissey
12-16-2009, 03:35 PM
This is so true! The day the hottest chick in every country throws themselves at you, then you can judge what Tiger does, did, whatever. I do not know many guys who have that kind of will power.

I am not supporting him or other athletes who cheat, but god it must be hard to be faithful.

If it's harder for some then I don't recommend ever getting married. Being married is full time devotion to the one you chose to spend your life with, it's not a part time job with vacation to mess around every now and then. I think most people don't fully understand what they get themselves into when they get married. I think some are enamoured with the idea of marriage, but don't realize that it's for the rest of your life.

Morrissey
12-16-2009, 03:40 PM
he would also be depressed if he was deprived of his extramarital relationships


he is tiger, he is greedy, he can have the cake and eat it too


but i agree, he will be more depressed without his wife

Yep. But he can always call up any one of those ****s to help him feel better. If he didn't **** around he wouldn't have put himself in that situation would he? That's like saying, "I'm sad that I smashed my racquet on the ground, it was my favorite."

He put himself in this mess. That's the consequence.

Bad Dog
12-16-2009, 03:41 PM
Is there any truth to the story that she has not been receptive to him since the kids were born?


Good question. It is curious that we do not know whether or not she has been consistently and frequently receptive to him, since that may be a significant consideration -- either way.

Bad Dog
12-16-2009, 03:42 PM
If it's harder for some then I don't recommend ever getting married. Being married is full time devotion to the one you chose to spend your life with, it's not a part time job with vacation to mess around every now and then. I think most people don't fully understand what they get themselves into when they get married. I think some are enamoured with the idea of marriage, but don't realize that it's for the rest of your life.


Quoted for truth.

sureshs
12-16-2009, 04:00 PM
If it's harder for some then I don't recommend ever getting married. Being married is full time devotion to the one you chose to spend your life with, it's not a part time job with vacation to mess around every now and then. I think most people don't fully understand what they get themselves into when they get married. I think some are enamoured with the idea of marriage, but don't realize that it's for the rest of your life.

And if they realize it, then what happens? No one would marry. That is why there was social pressure to get married in the old days, and a wide tolerance for whatever happens in the marriage. The two of course have to go together - if the guy is arrested for shouting at his wife, putting pressure to marry on the next guy will not work. Once either or both (pressure and latitude) is not there, people, especially men, will not marry and have children. As I pointed out before, this only leads to an increase in the number of religious nuts in the world, who will marry and multiply happily.

It has been said that if a guy pauses to think that his fiancee will look like her mother one day, marriages will not happen.

If he then calculates how much he will spend on a child till he/she is 18, he will be further depressed.

So a cold calculative approach is really going to have only one outcome most of the time - no marriage. You just have to take the plunge with partial information, or not at all.

CanadianChic
12-16-2009, 04:07 PM
Good question. It is curious that we do not know whether or not she has been consistently and frequently receptive to him, since that may be a significant consideration -- either way.

Are you a member of the jury (other than the court of public opinion of course)? Why is it 'curious' that we are not being told the intimate details of their sex life? Do you think because perhaps it is no one's business? How is that a consideration anyway? It is called marriage counseling, not screwing half the Vegas strip.

Now as for the whole, consistency angle, I am aware of the laws of consumption but have never heard that frequent and consistent sex are a legal requirement of a marriage. At least not in North America.

giver deaner
12-16-2009, 04:16 PM
even though he banged a waffle house chick???? he's still a stud and now my hero

CanadianChic
12-16-2009, 04:17 PM
even though he banged a waffle house chick???? he's still a stud and now my hero

^^^Some guys will do just about anything to avoid picking up the cheque.

Bad Dog
12-16-2009, 04:24 PM
Now as for the whole, consistency angle, I am aware of the laws of consumption but have never heard that frequent and consistent sex are a legal requirement of a marriage. At least not in North America.

If CanadianChic is correct, then the Sureshs response may be the most insightful:

So a cold calculative approach is really going to have only one outcome most of the time - no marriage.


The two of you have just solved the global overpopulation problem. So would you both care to collaborate on global warming (so we can have warmer winter tennis weather here in North America), and report back to us?

CanadianChic
12-16-2009, 04:27 PM
If CanadianChic is correct, then the Sureshs response may be the most insightful:




The two of you have just solved the global overpopulation problem. So would you both care to collaborate on global warming (so we can have warmer winter tennis weather here in North America), and report back to us?

Don't buy property on the coast. Also, don't waste your time on the cheesy flick 2012.

Bad Dog
12-16-2009, 04:27 PM
even though he banged a waffle house chick???? he's still a stud and now my hero

^^^Some guys will do just about anything to avoid picking up the cheque.


And some women will do just about anything to avoid paying their fair share.

aimr75
12-16-2009, 05:36 PM
havent kept up with Tigers shenanigans lately.. has he appraoched the 18th hole yet? boom.. tish ;)

jefferson
12-16-2009, 05:41 PM
What is the difference between Tiger and Santa?

....

Santa stops after three hoes: ho ho ho

Bud
12-16-2009, 06:25 PM
havent kept up with Tigers shenanigans lately.. has he appraoched the 18th hole yet? boom.. tish ;)

He's done the 15th... 16th is just around the corner I'm betting :shock:

Check out #15 :oops:


1. Rachel Uchitel

2. Jamie Grubbs

3. Kalika Moquin

4. Cori Rist

5. Jamie Jungers

6. Mindy Lawton

7. Holly Sampson

8. Joslyn James

9. Loredana Jolie aka Loredana Ferriolo

10. A yet unnamed alleged mistress who is reported to be a former cocktail waitress from the Orlando, Fla. area.

11. A yet unnamed alleged mistress that reports say is a UK TV personality.

12. A yet unnamed alleged mistress who is reported to be an older woman.

13. Julie Postle

14. Theresa Rogers

15. Jessica Simpson

http://www.examiner.com/x-12767-US-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m12d16-Tiger-Woods-update-Current-list-of-alleged-mistresses

MAX PLY
12-16-2009, 07:06 PM
In reply to Bad Dog:

I am afraid you took my analogy too literally. Obviously, no court would enforce equitable relief to force a couple to have relations--and even if one did, such an injunction would be unenforceable from a practical standpoint and otherwise undoubtedly unconstitutional. My point was the mere fact that Tiger was unhappy does not give him license to have an affair nor does Tiger's affair give Elin license to reply in kind. Besides, I reject the assumption that "sex on demand" is a marital obligation.

malakas
12-16-2009, 07:10 PM
In reply to Bad Dog:

I am afraid you took my analogy too literally. Obviously, no court would enforce equitable relief to force a couple to have relations--and even if one did, such an injunction would be unenforceable from a practical standpoint and otherwise undoubtedly unconstitutional. My point was the mere fact that Tiger was unhappy does not give him license to have an affair nor does Tiger's affair give Elin license to reply in kind. Besides, I reject the assumption that "sex on demand" is a marital obligation.

I think that a wife can even sue her husband if he forces and presses her to have sex with him.:p

pushing_wins
12-16-2009, 07:54 PM
Sureshs – I often derive some sort of interesting insight from your contributions to these boards – so of course I’d like to reciprocate, even though I'm a bit puzzled as to why you seem somewhat confused about what I wrote. It looks like you forgot to include the rest of my post, so I am re-posting it below for your convenience, after the original question which elicited my answer.

BD

our original discussion was

why do most men cheat?

can we please stay on topic.

Morrissey
12-17-2009, 01:07 AM
And if they realize it, then what happens? No one would marry. That is why there was social pressure to get married in the old days, and a wide tolerance for whatever happens in the marriage. The two of course have to go together - if the guy is arrested for shouting at his wife, putting pressure to marry on the next guy will not work. Once either or both (pressure and latitude) is not there, people, especially men, will not marry and have children. As I pointed out before, this only leads to an increase in the number of religious nuts in the world, who will marry and multiply happily.

It has been said that if a guy pauses to think that his fiancee will look like her mother one day, marriages will not happen.

If he then calculates how much he will spend on a child till he/she is 18, he will be further depressed.

So a cold calculative approach is really going to have only one outcome most of the time - no marriage. You just have to take the plunge with partial information, or not at all.

But most people who get married do understand and still stay faithful. Listen, everyone loses their looks over time. The point of marriage is to be with someone for better or for worse. In sickness and health. The vows cover all bases before you say I do. Whether you do or don´t is up to you. If you can´t do it, then don´t. Live alone and date different people.

Bad Dog
12-17-2009, 03:46 AM
BD

our original discussion was

why do most men cheat?

can we please stay on topic.


Morrissey may have the most articulate response for you:


But most people who get married do understand and still stay faithful. Listen, everyone loses their looks over time. The point of marriage is to be with someone for better or for worse. In sickness and health. The vows cover all bases before you say I do. Whether you do or don´t is up to you. If you can´t do it, then don´t. Live alone and date different people.

Bad Dog
12-17-2009, 04:30 AM
In reply to Bad Dog:

I am afraid you took my analogy too literally. Obviously, no court would enforce equitable relief to force a couple to have relations--and even if one did, such an injunction would be unenforceable from a practical standpoint and otherwise undoubtedly unconstitutional. My point was the mere fact that Tiger was unhappy does not give him license to have an affair nor does Tiger's affair give Elin license to reply in kind. Besides, I reject the assumption that "sex on demand" is a marital obligation.


Yes, most people may presumably reject sex on demand. However, an erroneous impression may be that if one healthy partner routinely rejects sex, courts must somehow always determine, in effect, that the other partner must routinely give up intercourse (without recourse). In situations apart from Tiger’s, one plausible alternative is that the rough equivalent of equitable relief may be granted to eliminate large divorce/alimony payments against the routinely rejected-but-faithful spouse who thus wishes to break up on the basis of such routine rejection, for proven facts.

Do you believe that if two spouses are fully capable of performing, one spouse has the marital right to either permanently or almost permanently refuse to have sex with the other? Are you absolutely certain that for two spouses who are able to perform, a regular physical relationship is never a marital right/responsibility?


And if they realize it, then what happens? No one would marry.

malakas
12-17-2009, 04:55 AM
According to the law sex is NOT an obligation of marriage.

CanadianChic
12-17-2009, 05:08 AM
Yes, most people may presumably reject sex on demand. However, an erroneous impression may be that if one healthy partner routinely rejects sex, courts must somehow always determine, in effect, that the other partner must routinely give up intercourse (without recourse). In situations apart from Tiger’s, one plausible alternative is that the rough equivalent of equitable relief may be granted to eliminate large divorce/alimony payments against the routinely rejected-but-faithful spouse who thus wishes to break up on the basis of such routine rejection, for proven facts.

Do you believe that if two spouses are fully capable of performing, one spouse has the marital right to either permanently or almost permanently refuse to have sex with the other? Are you absolutely certain that for two spouses who are able to perform, a regular physical relationship is never a marital right/responsibility?

Equitable relief? Yeah...I'm more than a little certain you are making this up as you go along. Anyone can request a divorce but there is no law in place stating both partners must be ready to go on demand. Maybe you are confusing religion and the law. Lack of a willing and always wanting partner may be an excuse (and a weak one at that) for sniffing at other partners but the law has no demand or expectation of what occurs within the bedroom. If one partner forces themselves on another the courts view that as sexual assault so how's about you start providing some references to these wild assertions?

Here, I'll even help you out a little. Most states practice no fault divorces, while only a few must prove fault or 'have grounds' to pursue a divorce. Adultery is recognized as a fault. The only time sex comes into play is if the marriage was not legally consumated or if one spouse is physically unable to perform and withheld that info prior to marriage (considered to be a fraud within the courts). For example, if a man and woman wait until they are married to have intercourse and on the wedding night the woman discovers he is unable to maintain an erection and never has, she is legally entitled to seek a divorce. One partner can shut off the switch at any time and the game is over. The courts do not recognize this as cruel and unusual behaviour because under no American law is a person expected to have sex ever, with anyone for whatever reason. Good grief! Here is a very simple, short link for you. I challenge you to find proof of your claims anywhere.

http://www.divorcelawinfo.com/Pages/grounds.html#Grounds%20for%20Divorce%20by%20State

CanadianChic
12-17-2009, 05:21 AM
BD

our original discussion was

why do most men cheat?

can we please stay on topic.

Yes, can we? The topic is actually on the Tiger Woods scandal.

Bad Dog
12-17-2009, 06:42 AM
Equitable relief? Yeah...I'm more than a little certain you are making this up as you go along. Anyone can request a divorce but there is no law in place stating both partners must be ready to go on demand. Maybe you are confusing religion and the law. Lack of a willing and always wanting partner may be an excuse (and a weak one at that) for sniffing at other partners but the law has no demand or expectation of what occurs within the bedroom. If one partner forces themselves on another the courts view that as sexual assault so how's about you start providing some references to these wild assertions?

Here, I'll even help you out a little. Most states practice no fault divorces, while only a few must prove fault or 'have grounds' to pursue a divorce. Adultery is recognized as a fault. The only time sex comes into play is if the marriage was not legally consumated or if one spouse is physically unable to perform and withheld that info prior to marriage (considered to be a fraud within the courts). For example, if a man and woman wait until they are married to have intercourse and on the wedding night the woman discovers he is unable to maintain an erection and never has, she is legally entitled to seek a divorce. One partner can shut off the switch at any time and the game is over. The courts do not recognize this as cruel and unusual behaviour because under no American law is a person expected to have sex ever, with anyone for whatever reason. Good grief! Here is a very simple, short link for you. I challenge you to find proof of your claims anywhere.

http://www.divorcelawinfo.com/Pages/grounds.html#Grounds%20for%20Divorce%20by%20State




CanadianChic – You make marriage sound like a lifetime prison sentence for many people who remain more enthusiastic about intercourse long after their spouses have abandoned their libidos, despite being able to physically perform.

However, from the link you gave, it's my turn to “challenge you to find proof of your claims anywhere.” For example, you state, in your own words:

“The only time sex comes into play is if the marriage was not legally consumated or if one spouse is physically unable to perform and withheld that info prior to marriage (considered to be a fraud within the courts).”

You absolute claim may not necessarily be true in all cases, in every court, in every jurisdiction. So you may face the risk that others may then become “more than a little certain you are making this up as you go along.” Consider that in divorce proceedings, it may not be advisable to rely on your internet summary link as an absolute determinant of the most detailed aspects of what all courts may ultimately determine, because that is presumably not what the authors of the link intended it to be. Your Internet link appears to be simply a general guideline of various common situations. For example, can you really find anywhere in the link you provided that supports your own claims that, in effect, sex will never, ever come into play, in any court in any jurisdiction, unless “the marriage was not legally consumated or if one spouse is physically unable to perform and withheld that info prior to marriage (considered to be a fraud within the courts)”?


And if they realize it, then what happens? No one would marry.

sureshs
12-17-2009, 06:56 AM
Sureshs – I often derive some sort of interesting insight from your contributions to these boards – so of course I’d like to reciprocate, even though I'm a bit puzzled as to why you seem somewhat confused about what I wrote. It looks like you forgot to include the rest of my post, so I am re-posting it below for your convenience, after the original question which elicited my answer.

I was going beyond what you said, so that is the reason for the confusion.

Is there anything beyond anecdotal evidence or wishful thinking that people "pay" for the things they do? I am not talking about criminal acts, where the probability of getting caught depends on the level of law enforcement, etc., and where the morality is clear cut. I am talking about the cheating, deception, resume padding, ditching people, lashing out at people, controlling people thru power and general non-criminal obnoxious things that people do. Do they really pay for it? I have found that people always seem to justify whatever they do in such cases, and if they convince themselves, they don't really seem to suffer.

sureshs
12-17-2009, 07:01 AM
But most people who get married do understand and still stay faithful.

Increasingly not, and even if they do, they are "serially" faithful, in several marriages, which is just a different way of escapism. Look at the over-50 tennis club crowd. Every other guy is divorced/single/remarried. It has unfortunately come to be regarded as quite normal. And these people are normal, they are not pervs. They are nice, helpful ordinary folks.

Bad Dog
12-17-2009, 07:10 AM
According to the law sex is NOT an obligation of marriage.


Perhaps you are right in many (but NOT all) cases. You may be right for example if both parties agree to a sexless marriage ahead of time, or if the health of one spouse deteriorates to the point of becoming physically incapable. But in cases where one spouse simply loses interest in regularly sleeping with the other, Sureshs may have a consideration that everyone should contemplate before getting married:

So a cold calculative approach is really going to have only one outcome most of the time - no marriage.

Bad Dog
12-17-2009, 07:14 AM
I was going beyond what you said, so that is the reason for the confusion.

Is there anything beyond anecdotal evidence or wishful thinking that people "pay" for the things they do? I am not talking about criminal acts, where the probability of getting caught depends on the level of law enforcement, etc., and where the morality is clear cut. I am talking about the cheating, deception, resume padding, ditching people, lashing out at people, controlling people thru power and general non-criminal obnoxious things that people do. Do they really pay for it? I have found that people always seem to justify whatever they do in such cases, and if they convince themselves, they don't really seem to suffer.


Sureshs – You are a wise man, and as you can probably tell, I have quoted you many times in related contexts. You are right; many people will try to get away with whatever they can. Often it is because they do not first calculate the risks/costs of being caught, even in non-criminal situations. But even if their risk of being caught is minimal or non-existent, the rest of us who try to live a relatively clean life may derive peace of mind in believing that what goes around, eventually comes around.

Bad Dog
12-17-2009, 08:20 AM
Increasingly not, and even if they do, they are "serially" faithful, in several marriages, which is just a different way of escapism. Look at the over-50 tennis club crowd. Every other guy is divorced/single/remarried. It has unfortunately come to be regarded as quite normal. And these people are normal, they are not pervs. They are nice, helpful ordinary folks.


People often fall in love with the “idea” of marriage, not the reality. Example: It has been said that a man marries a woman hoping that his wife will never change, while she hopes the man will. Inevitable future disappointment and foreseeable failure.

hankash
12-17-2009, 08:44 AM
He became the golf GOAT because of his affairs. It was what kept him motivated - what he would be doing the night after the big win.

Imagine what Federer could have achieved with 10+ women. He would have trounced Nadal in all the Slams. But once he thought "it is going to be the same Mirka tonight after beating Nadal at Wimbledon," his enthusiasm fell and he lost.

that was funny

pushing_wins
12-17-2009, 10:44 AM
Morrissey may have the most articulate response for you:


we are not discussing whether we should or should not cheat. i could care less.

it is more likely to me.......... men cheat because they are tired of their spouse, not because they are desparate for sex.

i would say 90% tired and 10% desparate

what is your opinion?

pushing_wins
12-17-2009, 10:51 AM
elin not putting out is a PR spin for sympathy for tiger. pretty obvious.

Bad Dog
12-17-2009, 12:09 PM
we are not discussing whether we should or should not cheat. i could care less.

it is more likely to me.......... men cheat because they are tired of their spouse, not because they are desparate for sex.

i would say 90% tired and 10% desparate

what is your opinion?

Again, Morrissey may have the most articulate response for you – re-posted below for your convenience:


Listen, everyone loses their looks over time. The point of marriage is to be with someone for better or for worse. In sickness and health. The vows cover all bases before you say I do. Whether you do or don´t is up to you. If you can´t do it, then don´t. Live alone and date different people.

Bad Dog
12-17-2009, 12:11 PM
elin not putting out is a PR spin for sympathy for tiger. pretty obvious.


Not necessarily obvious at all, since Elin (Tiger’s wife) may elicit a tremendous amount of sympathy from many spouses all over the world who might prefer to not maintain perpetual enthusiasm for regular activity with their partners. Such spouses may have come to somehow view marriage as a vow of mutual celibacy – instead of active monogamy.

pushing_wins
12-17-2009, 12:23 PM
Again, Morrissey may have the most articulate response for you – re-posted below for your convenience:

am i interpreting morrissey correctly?

he is saying

if u cannot accept your wife will be fat and ugly one day, dont get married.



please confirm

thanks

pushing_wins
12-17-2009, 03:14 PM
Not necessarily obvious at all, since Elin (Tiger’s wife) may elicit a tremendous amount of sympathy from many spouses all over the world who might prefer to not maintain perpetual enthusiasm for regular activity with their partners. Such spouses may have come to somehow view marriage as a vow of mutual celibacy – instead of active monogamy.

everything makes sense

u are a chick

CanadianChic
12-17-2009, 03:15 PM
CanadianChic – You make marriage sound like a lifetime prison sentence for many people who remain more enthusiastic about intercourse long after their spouses have abandoned their libidos, despite being able to physically perform.

You absolute claim may not necessarily be true in all cases, in every court, in every jurisdiction.

Where did I make marriage sound like a lifetime prison sentence? In fact I stated anyone could file for divorce at any time (and in most states there is not a requirement to show cause). My point is that no where in U.S. law is it written that frequent and/or consistent sex is a legal requirement of marriage. You on the other hand are talking outta your ***. Now to make it easy for you I have again done your homework. Go on and browse through the law state by state...I am still waiting for an ounce of proof to support your wild claims.

http://www.sitedivorce.com/

Bad Dog
12-17-2009, 04:01 PM
Where did I make marriage sound like a lifetime prison sentence? In fact I stated anyone could file for divorce at any time (and in most states there is not a requirement to show cause). My point is that no where in U.S. law is it written that frequent and/or consistent sex is a legal requirement of marriage. You on the other hand are talking outta your ***. Now to make it easy for you I have again done your homework. Go on and browse through the law state by state...I am still waiting for an ounce of proof to support your wild claims.

http://www.sitedivorce.com/


My point is that nowhere in US law is it written that infrequent acquiescence in sex and/or consistent refusal to have sex can never, in any court, in any jurisdiction, be reasons to terminate a marriage. So it sounds like you are the one talking out of your rear. Now please do your homework. Go browse through the state laws… I'm the one who is still waiting for at least a few grams of proof in support of your strange claims.

Bad Dog
12-17-2009, 04:06 PM
am i interpreting morrissey correctly?

he is saying

if u cannot accept your wife will be fat and ugly one day, dont get married.



please confirm

thanks



No, that's only what you are saying. Morrissey speaks wise words to intelligent people. So let's hope you’re not missing something.

FYI - in the instant case, it appears that the husband is closer to turning fat and ugly, while his wife is young and attractive.

Bad Dog
12-17-2009, 04:09 PM
everything makes sense

u are a chick


No; but if you ever get the chance to be loved by a good woman, you might change your attitude, at least a bit.

pushing_wins
12-17-2009, 09:29 PM
No, that's only what you are saying. Morrissey speaks wise words to intelligent people. So let's hope you’re not missing something.

FYI - in the instant case, it appears that the husband is closer to turning fat and ugly, while his wife is young and attractive.

i m not as intelligent as you

cut the crap with the word games

please please enligten me

pushing_wins
12-17-2009, 09:31 PM
No; but if you ever get the chance to be loved by a good woman, you might change your attitude, at least a bit.


i m willing to gamble

shwetty[tennis]balls
12-17-2009, 09:33 PM
to be at the top of his game, maintain focus, while juggling mutiple relationships

wow!!

truly GOAT athelete

That's why he's athelete of the decade. He's always been good with his shafts...

pushing_wins
12-18-2009, 01:18 AM
No; but if you ever get the chance to be loved by a good woman, you might change your attitude, at least a bit.

also, where did you hear elin has lost interest in the bedroom?

pushing_wins
12-18-2009, 01:20 AM
FYI - in the instant case, it appears that the husband is closer to turning fat and ugly, while his wife is young and attractive.


FYI, all this time we have been discussing why MOST men cheat. not specifically the tiger wood case.

quote:
The No.1 reason: Men crave sexual “variety,” according to David Buss, professor of psychology at the University of Texas and author of The Evolution of Desire: Strategies of Human Mating

"They’ve evolved the desire to be with different women,” he says.

That’s because it’s very simple for men to reproduce (one act of sex versus nine months of pregnancy for women), so to create as many offspring as possible they’re biologically programmed to mate with many women.



“The ‘payoff’ in reproductive currencies [kids] of a short-term mating strategy generally has been higher for men than women,” Buss says.

So after thousands of generations, “this has forged in the male brain a desire for sexual variety.”

good luck with your gf or wife. your case is likely an exception rather than the rule.

malakas
12-18-2009, 02:11 AM
The No.1 reason: Men crave sexual “variety,” according to David Buss, professor of psychology at the University of Texas and author of The Evolution of Desire: Strategies of Human Mating

"They’ve evolved the desire to be with different women,” he says.

That’s because it’s very simple for men to reproduce (one act of sex versus nine months of pregnancy for women), so to create as many offspring as possible they’re biologically programmed to mate with many women.

“The ‘payoff’ in reproductive currencies [kids] of a short-term mating strategy generally has been higher for men than women,” Buss says.

So after thousands of generations, “this has forged in the male brain a desire for sexual variety.”

good luck with your gf or wife. your case is likely an exception rather than the rule.

That's why humans are supposedly not animals.Because they don't do what their primal insticts tell them.Good luck to you too,finding a person/woman that takes cheating as the norm.:rolleyes:

Morrissey
12-18-2009, 01:06 PM
am i interpreting morrissey correctly?

he is saying

if u cannot accept your wife will be fat and ugly one day, dont get married.



please confirm

thanks

That's not the point of getting married to begin with. Did Elin get fat or ugly, she's not even 30. Yet Tiger messed with 15 something women while playing fulltime professional golf. What's Tiger's excuse? Outside of the fact that he's rich beyond belief and can get anything he wants? He obviously didn't care enough to work out his domestic issues. Whatever they were. He seems like a nice guy, but he's a dog. He obviously felt that he spent too much time at the party and needed something new, over and over and over.

Back to the original point, listen, when you're older you're clearly not going to look like when you were in your 20's. Being married is not just simply "finding your significant other hot" when you're in your 50's or 60's. That's a superficial way of looking at it. But when you marry, you choose to spend a lifelong journey with someone you love. I think only a married person or someone deeply in love can truly understand this statement.

This has to be a mutual thing. Some people can't help gaining weight or losing hair, etc. If young, hot tail is what you put your priority on then clearly marriage is not for you. It doesn't mean you're a bad person, it just means that spending your entire life with someone you love isn't for you. Because everyone ages and loses their looks in time. What keeps old people together is a deep love for each other that stands the test of time and compatibility as well (you need to get along and be on the same page). Maybe that's too old school or unrealistic for some. But it's the only way for it to properly work.

People understand that and want that, but sometimes they don't find that person but marry anyway because "maybe it'll happen". How many couples have you known that you knew wasn't going to work out but they still got married or stayed together "because it beats being alone"? I've seen a few and the split was inevitable. Some don't have the patience to find their soulmate.

Morrissey
12-18-2009, 01:17 PM
That's why humans are supposedly not animals.Because they don't do what their primal insticts tell them.Good luck to you too,finding a person/woman that takes cheating as the norm.:rolleyes:

Well said. If a millionaire like Tiger hasn't found that, then who will? Hugh Hefner? Does anybody here own a nude magazine and mansion?

Morrissey
12-18-2009, 01:21 PM
FYI, all this time we have been discussing why MOST men cheat. not specifically the tiger wood case.

quote:
The No.1 reason: Men crave sexual “variety,” according to David Buss, professor of psychology at the University of Texas and author of The Evolution of Desire: Strategies of Human Mating

"They’ve evolved the desire to be with different women,” he says.

That’s because it’s very simple for men to reproduce (one act of sex versus nine months of pregnancy for women), so to create as many offspring as possible they’re biologically programmed to mate with many women.
.

Then go do porn movies or get many women pregnant without any strings attached. Good luck.

Morrissey
12-18-2009, 01:27 PM
Increasingly not, and even if they do, they are "serially" faithful, in several marriages, which is just a different way of escapism. Look at the over-50 tennis club crowd. Every other guy is divorced/single/remarried. It has unfortunately come to be regarded as quite normal. And these people are normal, they are not pervs. They are nice, helpful ordinary folks.

How do you know? Do have you stats or percentages of people who are married as opposed to people who are divorced? I know in the US it's higher than most countries.

I can't believe people are defending the argument of infidelity.

Morrissey
12-18-2009, 01:30 PM
It's one thing to have messed around with one woman, but something to have been with 15+. It goes to show you that golf isn't really a sport. Would a tennis player have the time or energy to manage this many women, while having a wife with 2 kids at home?

Why are we defending Tiger? Because he's great at hitting a golf ball? If he were some regular dude we'd be saying, he got what he deserved and screw him.

pushing_wins
12-18-2009, 01:36 PM
Then go do porn movies or get many women pregnant without any strings attached. Good luck.


you may choose to disagree with an expert opinion.

but an expert opinion is more credible than any of our opinions.

statistics show:
40-50% of first marriages end in divorce
50% of married men have an extramarital affair

percentage of people in a postion of power cheating would be much higher, i suspect.

time changes everthing.

we forgot about kobe, clinton, letterman, hugh grant... the list goes on. it will be the same for tiger.

mtommer
12-18-2009, 01:45 PM
FYI, all this time we have been discussing why MOST men cheat. not specifically the tiger wood case.

There's a difference between a clinical why and "real life" why. The clinical why doesn't actually tell us why, it merely shows the temptations. The "why" is the lack of self discipline and self control in bunches of men....and women.


"They’ve evolved the desire to be with different women,” he says.


“The ‘payoff’ in reproductive currencies [kids] of a short-term mating strategy generally has been higher for men than women,” Buss says.

So after thousands of generations, “this has forged in the male brain a desire for sexual variety.”


It's safe to assume then that with the "age" of birth control that after thousands of more generations men will evolve the desire to be with one woman?

Morrissey
12-18-2009, 02:46 PM
you may choose to disagree with an expert opinion.

but an expert opinion is more credible than any of our opinions.

statistics show:
40-50% of first marriages end in divorce
50% of married men have an extramarital affair

percentage of people in a postion of power cheating would be much higher, i suspect.

time changes everthing.

we forgot about kobe, clinton, letterman, hugh grant... the list goes on. it will be the same for tiger.

I don't believe those stats, unless they're strictly from the US.

Morrissey
12-18-2009, 02:49 PM
time changes everthing.

Nope, self control and discipline is timeless. Being a dog unfortunately is also timeless.


we forgot about kobe, clinton, letterman, hugh grant... the list goes on. it will be the same for tiger.

So what? Because they're well known makes it ok to **** around behind your wife's back? "Oh, Tiger and Kobe cheated, a regular guy like me can do it too."

Bud
12-18-2009, 02:50 PM
Tiger No Longer the Face of Watch Company

"It was only a matter of time: Swiss watch company Tag Heuer has announced they won't be using Tiger Woods' tarnished image in any of their upcoming advertisements in the U.S."

"The CEO of the company told the Swiss paper Le Matin today, "We recognize Tiger Woods as a great sportsman but we have to take account of the sensitivity of some consumers in relation to recent events."

"Translation: Just because Tiger ran through cocktail waitresses like clockwork, doesn't make him a good spokesman for a watch company."

http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0a5GKZNx8

Morrissey
12-18-2009, 02:54 PM
Tiger No Longer the Face of Watch Company

"It was only a matter of time: Swiss watch company Tag Heuer has announced they won't be using Tiger Woods' tarnished image in any of their upcoming advertisements in the U.S."

"The CEO of the company told the Swiss paper Le Matin today, "We recognize Tiger Woods as a great sportsman but we have to take account of the sensitivity of some consumers in relation to recent events."

"Translation: Just because Tiger ran through cocktail waitresses like clockwork, doesn't make him a good spokesman for a watch company."

http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0a5GKZNx8

Boy, when it rains it pours.
When you put a line like "what are YOU made of?" next to Tiger's face, it doesn't look good for both parties involved. He's a dumb man, apparently he didn't think of the consequences of his actions at all. Both personally and financially.

pushing_wins
12-18-2009, 03:47 PM
Nope, self control and discipline is timeless. Being a dog unfortunately is also timeless.



So what? Because they're well known makes it ok to **** around behind your wife's back? "Oh, Tiger and Kobe cheated, a regular guy like me can do it too."

i dont think a regular guy would have supermodels throwing themselves at them

malakas
12-18-2009, 03:57 PM
i dont think a regular guy would have supermodels throwing themselves at them

No...so what?Is it ok to cheat your wife with regular women then?Just because your "primal instict" tells you so?

ramseszerg
12-18-2009, 03:59 PM
No...so what?Is it ok to cheat your wife with regular women then?Just because your "primal instict" tells you so?

I'm going to chime in here..

No, it's not okay to cheat. It's not okay at all. If you want to **** more than one woman either don't get married or move to Utah.

malakas
12-18-2009, 04:00 PM
I'm going to chime in here..

No, it's not okay to cheat. It's not okay at all. If you want to **** more than one woman either don't get married or move to Utah.

exactly.thanx.:)

Bud
12-18-2009, 04:28 PM
i dont think a regular guy would have supermodels throwing themselves at them

Tiger's 'girls' are hardly supermodels. The majority are kinda sleazy/s kanky.

Tempest344
12-18-2009, 07:29 PM
AT least Santa Claus only has 3 ho's

pushing_wins
12-18-2009, 08:28 PM
I don't believe those stats, unless they're strictly from the US.

yes they are stats from the US

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This is the Census Bureau's often-cited "50%" rate, the proportion of marriages taking place right now that will eventually divorce, which has since been revised downward to roughly 43% by the National Center for Health Statistics but was moved back up to around 50% by the Census Bureau in 2002, with even more ifs ands and buts than usual. Most recently, according to the New York Times, it has been revised downward to just over 40%.


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50 percent of Americans say President Clinton's adultery makes his moral standard "about the same as the average married man,'' according to a Time-CNN poll.

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However, even though more men are now becoming victims of infidelity, the fact still remains that 70% of infidelity victims are women.

Morrissey
12-18-2009, 09:10 PM
i dont think a regular guy would have supermodels throwing themselves at them

Have you SEEN some of the women Tiger messed with? Ugh! They are hardly supermodels. He downgraded himself while cheating with 15 plus *****s. Which outside of the fact that he cheated being wrong, he could've at least been with one 1 model. Not that it's right either way. But still, Elin must feel like the scum of the earth knowing all this.

Morrissey
12-18-2009, 09:12 PM
I'm going to chime in here..

No, it's not okay to cheat. It's not okay at all. If you want to **** more than one woman either don't get married or move to Utah.

Exactly. I see people trying to "OK" cheating while married because others have done it. How about saving yourself the heartache for both parties involved and just be a single man and **** everyone you can with no guilt?

Morrissey
12-18-2009, 09:13 PM
I guess what we've learned is that pushing-wins thinks its okay to **** behind your wife's back. Because if Tiger and Kobe did it, it's fine for a regular hack like myself to do so as well.

mtommer
12-18-2009, 10:17 PM
I guess what we've learned is that pushing-wins thinks its okay to **** behind your wife's back. Because if Tiger and Kobe did it, it's fine for a regular hack like myself to do so as well.

Well, I doubt that. But I do think he's hinting that any man will cheat if they have a ton of money/fame and a ton of women throw themselves at them. What I think he fails to realize is that women are women and supermodels are only "OMG!" until you actual date/ahem one.

pushing_wins
12-18-2009, 10:49 PM
Well, I doubt that. But I do think he's hinting that any man will cheat if they have a ton of money/fame and a ton of women throw themselves at them.

exactly my point. walk a mile in tigers shoe then decide if u will cheat or not.

What I think he fails to realize is that women are women and supermodels are only "OMG!" until you actual date/ahem one.

i do realize that. which is why i never made the comment that tiger is downgrading. because after a while, elin is just not "OMG" anymore.

World Beater
01-02-2010, 10:23 PM
tiger is and was shallow.

but so is elin. why do you think she would go with someone like tiger at the height of his career? was it his personality? LOL.

Elin is also trying to get as much money as she can from this impending divorce. yea...

i dont feel that much remorse for elin or tiger tbh.

the kids - for sure..but then again. not really. there are lots of kids in much worse situations.