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LubbockAg
12-13-2009, 06:56 AM
Or is there one? I have been playing with Lux Alu Power in mains and X-1 Biphase 17 in the crosses for a while now. Would any of the Wilson strings be similar? How about Prince or Babolat?

Fedace
12-13-2009, 07:07 AM
Maybe K-gut pro. Babolat Xcel power would be similar to NRG2

meowmix
12-13-2009, 07:20 AM
K gut pro's very stiff, stiffer than some polys out there.

Fedace
12-13-2009, 07:24 AM
K gut pro's very stiff, stiffer than some polys out there.

X-1 biphase is stiff for a Multi. NRG2 is softer. K-gut pro i thought was about the same in stiffness with X-1. and X-1 i thought played little better than K-gut pro.

Jakedasnake
12-13-2009, 07:25 AM
Regular K-Gut (not the pro) is pretty similar. Maybe NXT tour?

Fedace
12-13-2009, 07:30 AM
Regular K-Gut (not the pro) is pretty similar. Maybe NXT tour?

so you are saying K-gut Pro is stiffer than X-1 biphase. ???

Jakedasnake
12-13-2009, 08:31 AM
so you are saying K-gut Pro is stiffer than X-1 biphase. ???

No I'm simply saying that K Gut is similar to X-1. I didn't say a thing about the Pro. READ

Netspirit
12-13-2009, 10:32 AM
I'd say NXT tour is the closest. K Gut is way too stiff.

ClubHoUno
12-13-2009, 01:45 PM
Or is there one? I have been playing with Lux Alu Power in mains and X-1 Biphase 17 in the crosses for a while now. Would any of the Wilson strings be similar? How about Prince or Babolat?

Try Babolat Xcel Power 16 in the crosses. Plays more uniform from start to finish than X-one does - and feels a bit crisper and softer at the same time.

My 2 favorite multis are Xcel Power and X-one - but I prefer the Xcel Power as a cross hybrid string and the X-one as a main hybrid string - and never use full multis. Always hybrid them with a great CoPoly.

Tornado mains, when doing hybrid with Xcel Power 16 crosses and Hyperion crosses, when doing hybrid with X-One 17 mains.

Valjean
12-13-2009, 04:11 PM
Or is there one? I have been playing with Lux Alu Power in mains and X-1 Biphase 17 in the crosses for a while now. Would any of the Wilson strings be similar? How about Prince or Babolat?
Regular K-Gut. The idea that the K-Gut twins are either as stiff or stiffer than polyester, or even NXT Tour, is complete nonsense; the guy who started this had no serious intention, he was trying to attack multis as such, and chose the most expensive ones out there so others would follow him. This had been happening, too; it's been done to rabble-rouse, and nothing but.

Here are what the 25+ randomly-selected USRSA playtesters had to say instead for each string:

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2009/01/1600_wilson_k_gut_pro_16.html

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2008/03/wilson_k_gut_16.html

And here's some local feedback too--all of it contradicting the notion that K-Gut is stiffer than some/most others of the type:

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/feedback-WKGUTP16.html

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/feedback-WKGUT16.html

ClubHoUno
12-13-2009, 06:12 PM
Regular K-Gut. The idea that the K-Gut twins are either as stiff or stiffer than polyester, or even NXT Tour, is complete nonsense; the guy who started this had no serious intention, he was trying to attack multis as such, and chose the most expensive ones out there so others would follow him. This had been happening, too; it's been done to rabble-rouse, and nothing but.

Here are what the 25+ randomly-selected USRSA playtesters had to say instead for each string:

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2009/01/1600_wilson_k_gut_pro_16.html

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2008/03/wilson_k_gut_16.html

And here's some local feedback too--all of it contradicting the notion that K-Gut is stiffer than some/most others of the type:

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/feedback-WKGUTP16.html

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/feedback-WKGUT16.html

What's your take on Xcel Power, K Gut Pro, K Gut and X-One - which one do you prefer and why ?

BreakPoint
12-13-2009, 06:38 PM
K gut pro's very stiff, stiffer than some polys out there.

I'd say NXT tour is the closest. K Gut is way too stiff.
You've got that right. I got fooled into thinking that it was supposed to be an arm-friendly multi as its advertised to be and that it couldn't possibly cause arm injuries like poly does, but then it ended up giving me tennis elbow. Had K-Gut Pro been advertised as a poly substitute as it should be, I would have stopped using it much earlier, like within 10 minutes, instead of two weeks, which was enough to cause micro tears in my elbow tendon (tennis elbow). Now I haven't been able to play tennis at all in almost 2 months and it might be another month or two before I can even attempt to swing a racquet. Da*m that K-Gut Pro! :-x

If X-1 Biphase is anywhere even remotely close to being as stiff as K-Gut Pro or K-Gut, I will stay far, far away from it.

BreakPoint
12-13-2009, 06:50 PM
Regular K-Gut. The idea that the K-Gut twins are either as stiff or stiffer than polyester, or even NXT Tour, is complete nonsense; the guy who started this had no serious intention, he was trying to attack multis as such, and chose the most expensive ones out there so others would follow him. This had been happening, too; it's been done to rabble-rouse, and nothing but.

Here are what the 25+ randomly-selected USRSA playtesters had to say instead for each string:

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2009/01/1600_wilson_k_gut_pro_16.html

http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2008/03/wilson_k_gut_16.html

And here's some local feedback too--all of it contradicting the notion that K-Gut is stiffer than some/most others of the type:

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/feedback-WKGUTP16.html

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/feedback-WKGUT16.html
"Attack multis"? I LOVE multis! I use multis all the time. Reaction, Yonex 850, Revelation, Maxim Touch, E-Matrix, Sensation, NXT, PSG Multi, Hollow Core, etc. are all good multis. K-Gut Pro does NOT play like a multi, period! How many more people have to tell you that to get that simple truth through to you? Multis are soft and comfortable. K-Gut Pro is stiff and feels like barbed wire. Which is probably why Wilson is discontinuing it. Isn't the purpose of using multifilament construction to make a string feel soft, comfortable, resilient, and powerful? Yes? Well, K-Gut Pro fails on all counts!

Do you also think Salisbury Steak tastes like Filet Mignon just because it's been advertised as being "Filet Mignon"?

Open up your mind, dude.

Fedace
12-13-2009, 06:58 PM
You've got that right. I got fooled into thinking that it was supposed to be an arm-friendly multi as its advertised to be and that it couldn't possibly cause arm injuries like poly does, but then it ended up giving me tennis elbow. Had K-Gut Pro been advertised as a poly substitute as it should be, I would have stopped using it much earlier, like within 10 minutes, instead of two weeks, which was enough to cause micro tears in my elbow tendon (tennis elbow). Now I haven't been able to play tennis at all in almost 2 months and it might be another month or two before I can even attempt to swing a racquet. Da*m that K-Gut Pro! :-x

If X-1 Biphase is anywhere even remotely close to being as stiff as K-Gut Pro or K-Gut, I will stay far, far away from it.

NRG2 is much softer than the X-1 and pockets the ball better. but X-1 has more power. Do you think Babolat Xcel power is heavy ?? for some reason, i thought Xcel power was heavier in weight than the X-1 ??????:confused:

BreakPoint
12-13-2009, 07:10 PM
NRG2 is much softer than the X-1 and pockets the ball better. but X-1 has more power. Do you think Babolat Xcel power is heavy ?? for some reason, i thought Xcel power was heavier in weight than the X-1 ??????:confused:
I haven't tried the Babolat Xcel Power.

BTW, I think anyone who says they like K-Gut Pro must be a regular poly user. I'd bet most of the feedback on the TW product page are from poly users. I mean someone actually complained that K-Gut Pro moves around too much. Huh? This guy is not a multi user! Compared to most multis, K-Gut Pro hardly moves at all. Only compared to polys could someone think that K-Gut Pro "moves around quite a bit." Thus, I would take any claims that K-Gut Pro is soft, comfortable, and powerful with a grain of salt. These are most likely poly users.

KenC
12-13-2009, 10:25 PM
I heard somewhere that Tecnifibre makes NXT for Wilson. I often wonder if Babolat and Tecnifibre aren't making much of the other brand's strings for them as well.

Anyway, Tecnifibre's multi's have their own certain feel. So if you like X-One but don't like the extra crispy feel they have, then try NRG2. If NRG2 is still too much, try MultiFeel. If nothing works, switch to Babolat and go from XCel Power to XCel Premium to Addiction.

raygo
12-14-2009, 02:55 AM
I heard somewhere that Tecnifibre makes NXT for Wilson. I often wonder if Babolat and Tecnifibre aren't making much of the other brand's strings for them as well.

Anyway, Tecnifibre's multi's have their own certain feel. So if you like X-One but don't like the extra crispy feel they have, then try NRG2. If NRG2 is still too much, try MultiFeel. If nothing works, switch to Babolat and go from XCel Power to XCel Premium to Addiction.

It was called Tr Pro when Tecnifibre sold it.

Does anyone know who makes K-Gut, and what they're calling it?

Valjean
12-14-2009, 03:55 AM
"Attack multis"? I LOVE multis!....How many more people have to tell you that to get that simple truth through to you?....
And your only two recommendations then were Prince's Synthetic Gut Multifilament, which is set apart from multis, and Wilson's Hollow Core, which Wilson itself in its advertising calls a synthetic gut, not a multi. And that's not to mention the rhetoric and other tactics you've used in the past to frustrate discussion of what you've said. In addition to the playtests and the consumer feedback I link to, on this board there have been several threads, pretty much useful and balanced as usual in here, since the K-Gut twins were introduced that can be located and accessed through the search function. The only one where the opinion that the K-Guts are so stiff--and the claim you made was one had *given* you TE, just like poly can, remember?--is where you appear. The problem with people in here like you whose principal wish is just to be provoking is that, when they use strings, there are usually other archived discussions to prove what they do. This is all, too, from me today; I'll not be party to your effort to hijack someone else's thread for a separate agenda a second time. In that vein, I wouldn't call your buddies in another time, continue to pretend each day is a "vote" on you, who you are, what your opinions do, etc., too, if I were you. Try your own thread, though. Even a poll might serve you well.

Bad Dog
12-14-2009, 10:11 AM
It was called Tr Pro when Tecnifibre sold it.

Does anyone know who makes K-Gut, and what they're calling it?


Wilsonís K-Gut and K-Gut Pro are made in France, like the top multifilaments from Tecnifibre and Babolat. The plot thickens Ö

hoodjem
12-14-2009, 10:53 AM
Tecnifibre X One Biphase 16 (1.30) Nylon/Polyurethane 1.31 192
Tecnifibre X One Biphase 17 (1.24) Nylon/Polyurethane 1.28 192
Tecnifibre X One Biphase 18 (1.18 ) Nylon/Polyurethane 1.19 181

Wilson K Gut 16 Nylon 1.31 191
Wilson K Gut 17 Nylon 1.28 183
Wilson K Gut Pro 16 Nylon 1.33 182

Wilson NXT 16 Nylon 1.30 198
Wilson NXT 17 Nylon 1.24 193

Wilson Sensation 16 Nylon 1.32 209
Wilson Sensation 17 Nylon 1.25 197

BreakPoint
12-14-2009, 11:41 AM
And your only two recommendations then were Prince's Synthetic Gut Multifilament, which is set apart from multis, and Wilson's Hollow Core, which Wilson itself in its advertising calls a synthetic gut, not a multi. And that's not to mention the rhetoric and other tactics you've used in the past to frustrate discussion of what you've said. In addition to the playtests and the consumer feedback I link to, on this board there have been several threads, pretty much useful and balanced as usual in here, since the K-Gut twins were introduced that can be located and accessed through the search function. The only one where the opinion that the K-Guts are so stiff--and the claim you made was one had *given* you TE, just like poly can, remember?--is where you appear. The problem with people in here like you whose principal wish is to be provoking is that, when they use strings, there are usually other archived discussions to prove what they do. This is all, too, from me today; I'll not be party to your effort to hijack someone else's thread for a separate agenda a second time. In that vein, I wouldn't call your buddies in another time, continue to pretend each day is a "vote" on you, who you are, what your opinions do, etc., too, if I were you. Try your own thread, though. Even a poll might serve you well.
Yes, I recommend PSG Multi and Hollow Core to people that have elbow problems because they are both softer, more comfortable, and more powerful than many of the other multis that I have tried, such as Maxim Touch, Yonex Super 850, Revelation, etc. Does a string have to be a true multi in order to be soft and comfortable? Not if what you claim is true. Because according to you, Maxim Touch, Yonex Super 850, K-Gut Pro, K-Gut, etc. are more true multis than PSGM and Hollow Core are, yet they ALL play stiffer and less comfortable than PSGM and Hollow Core. Most regular poly users hate Hollow Core with a passion. There's a good reason for that. It tells me it's the opposite of a poly, which is everything someone with elbow problems wants, i.e., comfort, resiliency, power, etc.

Take a look at this pic. See all those multiple strands of nylon surrounding the core? To me, that's a multi. And if having multiple strands in the center core makes a string soft and comfortable, can you imagine how much softer and comfortable it would be with nothing in the core? After all, what's softer - nylon or nothing?

http://img.tennis-warehouse.com/new_big/WHC16-1.jpg

http://http://img.tennis-warehouse.com/new_big/WHC16-1.jpg

number.432
12-14-2009, 11:58 AM
NRG2 is much softer than the X-1 and pockets the ball better. but X-1 has more power. Do you think Babolat Xcel power is heavy ?? for some reason, i thought Xcel power was heavier in weight than the X-1 ??????:confused:


Can you really tell that full bed of Xcel power weighs more in your hand than full bed of x-one - same gauge of course?

ClubHoUno
12-14-2009, 03:57 PM
X-1 biphase is stiff for a Multi. NRG2 is softer. K-gut pro i thought was about the same in stiffness with X-1. and X-1 i thought played little better than K-gut pro.

Agreed.
But X-One feels stiffer the first couple of hours, then it softens up....