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li0scc0
12-17-2009, 10:53 AM
Hello! I wanted to see if anybody has ever had more double faults in a service game than I had this morning.

At 1-1 in the second set, I had a game that went to multiple deuces. Unfortunately, the REASON for this is because I had EIGHT double faults.

The points went like this.

Service winner (15-0)
Df (15-15)
Ace (30-15)
DF (30-30)
Serve and volley for winner (40-30)
DF (deuce)
Long point, opponent screwed up (my ad)
Long point, opponent hit winner (deuce)
DF (their ad)
Service winner (deuce)
Serve and volley, won point (my ad)
DF (deuce)
Ace (my ad)
DF (deuce)
DF (their ad)
DF (game to them)

The funny thing is that, in the first set, I only had 2-3 double faults the entire set.

Admittedly I have a mental problem with double faulting, but this was terrible even for me! :) Also interesting that most of my DF's were to the ad court, which is unusual as most of my DF's are typically in the deuce court.

jswinf
12-17-2009, 01:12 PM
I doubt if it's a record but that's a lot of double faults. Real record holder probably quit the game or did themselves in. Don't do either of those.

LeeD
12-17-2009, 05:22 PM
I know a few younger big hitters who either ace or DF, so EIGHT is not really all that many for doubles.
They'd be a whole lot better if they learned not only a real second serve, but maybe watched and learned from the pros. Most pros only second serve at around 80mph, so they get it in and don't give away free points.
You can too! :shock::shock:
Learn a solid second serve, either topspin, topspin slice, or topspin twist, hit it in 47 out of 50 consecutive tries, and you're free to pound your 135mph first serve into the net all day if you want.

Nellie
12-17-2009, 05:22 PM
I don't know if it beats that total, but I played a doubles match once where my self-ranked partner in his first USTA league match double faulted every one of his service points - four service games, four double faults per game (no serves in), and for 16 double faults in a 6-2, 6-2 whipping.

DownTheLine
12-17-2009, 05:25 PM
4-5 times one game.

10sguy
12-17-2009, 07:44 PM
An ex-partner's PR was five DF's . . . in a service game he & partner held.

Cindysphinx
12-17-2009, 08:06 PM
In a non-deuce service game, I believe I on one occasion hit three double-faults. I still held, and we won 0 and 1. That's how weak our opponents were.

I do know one lady who hit four consecutive double-faults.

We only talk about this in hushed tones. :)

aphex
12-18-2009, 01:36 AM
how many did ivanisevic do in the last game of the'01 wimby final?

raiden031
12-18-2009, 03:19 AM
8 is a good amount...my record is 5 in a game, which I've done at least twice.

raiden031
12-18-2009, 03:25 AM
I don't know if it beats that total, but I played a doubles match once where my self-ranked partner in his first USTA league match double faulted every one of his service points - four service games, four double faults per game (no serves in), and for 16 double faults in a 6-2, 6-2 whipping.

Thats ridiculous. There has to be some etiquette in doubles regarding double faults. I mean if I'm serving that bad, then I owe it to my partner to change up the serve and get some in.

I played a social pickup doubles match once partnered with a 16-17 year old kid. He had some potential as his mechanics were not bad, but he was still fairly new to the game and had no control. He pretty much double faulted all his service games away, with maybe a few that actually landed in. It was one of the few times I was so agitated with a partner I actually said something to him about it. I told him to stop hitting first serves on 2nd serve! Then he answers with, "my coach told me not to swing any softer on the 2nd serve", which has some truth in general, but not when it comes to a social match and you are missing all of your second serves because you completely lack any control.

Cindysphinx
12-18-2009, 06:55 AM
In my experience, people who DF a lot have one serve and only one serve. First serve is fast; second serve is a slower version of the first (or even a fast version of the first). As a result, if something is off they have no Plan B. And of course, slowing the racket is what you want to avoid on a second serve, so why people do it on purpose is beyond me.

Nope, if I'm DF-ing, it's the toss, baby!

Nellie
12-18-2009, 07:30 AM
Thats ridiculous. There has to be some etiquette in doubles regarding double faults. I mean if I'm serving that bad, then I owe it to my partner to change up the serve and get some in.


That's what I was thinking as I left the court without saying much, thinking about how I had wasted 2+ hours and 20 bucks. I won't play with that person again.

goran_ace
12-18-2009, 07:40 AM
I don't know if it beats that total, but I played a doubles match once where my self-ranked partner in his first USTA league match double faulted every one of his service points - four service games, four double faults per game (no serves in), and for 16 double faults in a 6-2, 6-2 whipping.

I played with a partner who had a simlar problem. He was a last minute sub for my partner who had to back out of the tournament. We were playing a men's open doubles tournament and the other team was solid all around, but it should have been a routine first or second round win if I was playing with my normal partner. I don't think he got a first serve in all day, and maybe got 2-3 second serves in the box total. The score was something like 4 and 4, but it looked closer on paper than the it actually was on the court. Sometimes we could break to get that game back, but we couldn't win because we'd have to break 2-3 times just to take a set. We started going for big returns near the end to force break situations but because they knew at some point he'd have to serve again they didn't feel pressured.

raiden031
12-18-2009, 08:41 AM
In my experience, people who DF a lot have one serve and only one serve. First serve is fast; second serve is a slower version of the first (or even a fast version of the first). As a result, if something is off they have no Plan B. And of course, slowing the racket is what you want to avoid on a second serve, so why people do it on purpose is beyond me.

Nope, if I'm DF-ing, it's the toss, baby!

The only way you can hit a second serve without slowing your racquet is to hit with more spin than your first serve. I know quite a few players who don't increase the spin on their second serves, so they really do slow down the racquet.

OrangePower
12-18-2009, 09:43 AM
Hello! I wanted to see if anybody has ever had more double faults in a service game than I had this morning.

At 1-1 in the second set, I had a game that went to multiple deuces. Unfortunately, the REASON for this is because I had EIGHT double faults.

The points went like this.

Service winner (15-0)
Df (15-15)
Ace (30-15)
DF (30-30)
Serve and volley for winner (40-30)
DF (deuce)
Long point, opponent screwed up (my ad)
Long point, opponent hit winner (deuce)
DF (their ad)
Service winner (deuce)
Serve and volley, won point (my ad)
DF (deuce)
Ace (my ad)
DF (deuce)
DF (their ad)
DF (game to them)

The funny thing is that, in the first set, I only had 2-3 double faults the entire set.

Admittedly I have a mental problem with double faulting, but this was terrible even for me! :) Also interesting that most of my DF's were to the ad court, which is unusual as most of my DF's are typically in the deuce court.

I've never seen more than maybe 5 or 6 DF's in a game, so my hat's off to you! However, I'd point out that you missed an additional DF opportunity at point #8. So you could have had 9! And also then it would have ended up that the only points you lost in that game would have been due to DF's.

Storm_Kyori
12-18-2009, 02:29 PM
I'm pretty sure I've done waay more than that. Sucks, cuz in the end all that hard work was for nothing since I was broken. We would also have the chance to hold, but my partner and I would make a mistake.

autumn_leaf
12-18-2009, 03:21 PM
i started out the match with 3 double faults in the summer.

my first ladder match in the fall i lost the match 6-7 7-6 6-7 with me breaking him most of the time but couldn't keep my own serve cause i was DF'ing 2-3 times everytime i served....and no, this is not an exaggeration.

J011yroger
12-18-2009, 07:29 PM
I do know one lady who hit four consecutive double-faults.

I did that in a ladder match. Got to 3-1 in the 2nd set without DFing a single time. Serving at 4-2 I DFed 4 in a row. Next service game I was fine again.

I just forgot how to serve for a game.

Kind of interesting as it happens to me once in a while, my serve just packs up all its stuff and goes home.

I think it is related to "Head in *** syndrome".

J

tennytive
12-19-2009, 06:18 AM
To the OP,

I don't understand why after the 2nd DF, much less the 3rd, why you didn't stop going for your first serve, and instead use 2 tries to get your second serve IN. Or maybe you did, and I just missed that? You don't really say if you tried to make any adjustments or not. It sounds more likely you were going for winners/aces every time since that's how your points were won.

I can be just as stubborn as the next guy, but I won't DF more than twice in any game, especially if I'm playing doubles. Even a slow second serve with a lot of spin has a chance of letting you win a point.

I just find it hard to believe anyone could really DF that many times, but it obviously must happen.

Bashi
12-27-2009, 03:11 PM
Yeah, if you're DFing you shouldn't be going for aces. And from your post it looks like you were. I'd just focus on spinning in a second serve.

precision2b
12-28-2009, 09:35 AM
I did that in a ladder match. Got to 3-1 in the 2nd set without DFing a single time. Serving at 4-2 I DFed 4 in a row. Next service game I was fine again.

I just forgot how to serve for a game.

Kind of interesting as it happens to me once in a while, my serve just packs up all its stuff and goes home.

I think it is related to "Head in *** syndrome".

J

LOL!!! I can relate to thatů

boomboomserve
06-24-2011, 06:00 AM
LOL!!! I can relate to thatů

I second that. It's funny how your mind can play tricks on you. I read somewhere that's why it's so important to have serving rituals (tossing ball, etc) to clear the mind.

Tennis Is Magic
06-24-2011, 06:40 AM
Hello! I wanted to see if anybody has ever had more double faults in a service game than I had this morning.

At 1-1 in the second set, I had a game that went to multiple deuces. Unfortunately, the REASON for this is because I had EIGHT double faults.

The points went like this.

Service winner (15-0)
Df (15-15)
Ace (30-15)
DF (30-30)
Serve and volley for winner (40-30)
DF (deuce)
Long point, opponent screwed up (my ad)
Long point, opponent hit winner (deuce)
DF (their ad)
Service winner (deuce)
Serve and volley, won point (my ad)
DF (deuce)
Ace (my ad)
DF (deuce)
DF (their ad)
DF (game to them)

The funny thing is that, in the first set, I only had 2-3 double faults the entire set.

Admittedly I have a mental problem with double faulting, but this was terrible even for me! :) Also interesting that most of my DF's were to the ad court, which is unusual as most of my DF's are typically in the deuce court.

No, I had 9 DFs in one game once (I went on to hold serve though :D)

NLBwell
06-24-2011, 05:04 PM
I had 14 double faults and 14 aces in one game.
(The guy I was playing wasn't very good so I was just seeing how many aces I could hit in a single game.)