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gugafanatic
04-21-2005, 04:21 PM
S.grosjean 6-4 , 5-6 O. hernandez Latest score

Agassi and Blake up next. Both players taking on players with vast amounts of clay court experience: Calatrava and Depuis. Should be a good test for the americans on the least favoured surface.

Jill
04-21-2005, 04:31 PM
Grosjean won 6-4 5-7 6-2 :)

Andre's down a break in the first.

gugafanatic
04-21-2005, 04:34 PM
cool thanks for the updates jill. Is there a live score link anywhere?? r u watching this match on the tennis channel and when is blake playing.

Marius_Hancu
04-21-2005, 05:36 PM
cool thanks for the updates jill. Is there a live score link anywhere?? r u watching this match on the tennis channel and when is blake playing.

as usual:
http://www.livescore.com/tennis.dll?page=home
Agassi has some troubles ...

gugafanatic
04-21-2005, 05:56 PM
Well done N.Lapentti 7-6 first set against Kim. Nice to see him going deep in main event again (although a weak field).

Jill
04-21-2005, 06:24 PM
Agassi won 3-6 6-4 7-5
Lapentti won 7-6 6-2

people have the tennis channel on another message board.

gugafanatic
04-21-2005, 06:25 PM
comeon blake, is he on yet??

Marius_Hancu
04-21-2005, 06:36 PM
Agassi won 3-6 6-4 7-5
Lapentti won 7-6 6-2

people have the tennis channel on another message board.

Wrong, based on the ATP site:

A. Calatrava 6 4 7
A. Agassi 3 6 5

Jill
04-21-2005, 06:38 PM
I trust someone who was watching it live over a website. She described his interview and everything - he talked about playing Grosjean and how Grosjean beat him when they played on clay.

Blake should be starting momentarily.

gugafanatic
04-21-2005, 06:43 PM
Agassi Won Right??

Prince_of_Tennis
04-21-2005, 06:45 PM
So did Agassi win or lose...People are screwing up the spoiler...

Jill
04-21-2005, 06:47 PM
Agassi won 3-6 6-4 7-5 in 2h10 minutes. It was an ugly match, he had 53 winners and 53 errors and Calatrava's numbers were lower, but negative errors/winners. Agassi definitely won and will play Grosjean in the QF tomorrow. Person who saw the match said Andre looked tired in his interview.

Blake and Dupuis are warming up.

tennisnj
04-21-2005, 06:59 PM
Hopefully people on here have their information correct (which I'm sure of) b/c the ATP website as of 1100pm ET, has Agassi losing in 3 sets. Singles - Second Round
(6)S Grosjean (FRA) d O Hernandez (ESP) 64 57 62
A Calatrava (ESP) d (2)(WC)A Agassi (USA) 63 46 75
(WC)J Blake (USA) vs A Dupuis (FRA)
(Q)N Lapentti (ECU) d K Kim (USA) 76 62

Jill
04-21-2005, 07:03 PM
the ATP site is wrong.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050422/483/htw11104220252
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050422/483/htw10904220234

Blake down an early break

tennisnj
04-21-2005, 07:09 PM
Thanks Jill for the confirmation. Typical of the ATP website.

Marius_Hancu
04-21-2005, 07:11 PM
the ATP site is wrong.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050422/483/htw11104220252
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050422/483/htw10904220234


OK, thanks for double-checking. Shame on the ATP site!:-)

Jill
04-21-2005, 07:12 PM
The ATP site often seems to get its scores from livescore.com - and they make mistakes a LOT. Thank goodness for the tennis channel :p

gugafanatic
04-21-2005, 07:27 PM
anyone got a bake update??

Objective Danny
04-21-2005, 07:30 PM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050422/capt.htw11104220252.us_mens_clay_court_htw111.jpg

Second-seeded Andre Agassi blows kisses to the crowd after defeating Alex Calatrava, of Spain, 3-6, 6-4, 7-5, in the second round of the U.S. Men's Clay Court Championships in Houston, Thursday, April 21, 2005.
(AP Photo/Paul Sakuma) . . . yahoo tennis

Jill
04-21-2005, 07:33 PM
anyone got a bake update??

Came back from 2-4 to break for the set 6-4, he'll start serving in the 2nd.

gugafanatic
04-21-2005, 07:33 PM
has Agassi switched rackets again????? the pic shows hes using a LM instinct

Jill
04-21-2005, 07:39 PM
James now up a break in the 2nd 2*-0

gugafanatic
04-21-2005, 07:40 PM
comeon!!! james is looking solid on the clay

Jill
04-21-2005, 07:43 PM
He held for 3-0 and has won the last 7 games :)


He breaks again for 4*-0.... last 8 games!

Jill
04-21-2005, 07:54 PM
James won 6-4 6-1 including a run of 9 games straight. Awesome!

gugafanatic
04-21-2005, 07:54 PM
BLAKE IS IN HOT FORM!! I REALLY HOPE HE GETS TO PLAY AGASSI OR RODDICK. I think he can take either of them out. He already beat Haas on clay last week in an exhibition.

Jill
04-21-2005, 07:57 PM
He plays Lapentti next - a very capable clay player who seems to be finding his form all of a sudden... will be a tough match for James, but if he wins that, he would play either Agassi or Grosjean in the SF.

Hopefully this is the start of James on his way back up where he belongs in the top 50. He really deserves it. Mr Nice Guy. :mrgreen:

Nike Tennis2005
04-21-2005, 10:36 PM
What Did Blake Wear?

GRANITECHIEF
04-22-2005, 12:21 PM
Melzer def Haas: That guy is an unpredictable and dangerous lefty. Roddick will probably get by Horna with his serve, then will have hands full with Jurgen.

I would guess Blake will be playing Agassi in the semi's, that should be entertaining. Then Agassi will take out Roddick and get his first title of the year. French Open will be his next one. HAHAHAHA! Wishful thinking.

finchy
04-22-2005, 01:43 PM
ahh, im about to go to the agassi vs. grojean match. it looks to be a long one, two very patient players with semi-big forehands i guess. and after that i might watch the blake/lapenti(sp?) match.

this is awesome. this is the first pro tennis tournament i've ever been to!

Jill
04-22-2005, 03:03 PM
Have fun, finchy! It's a great tourney :)

Looks like Andy had a rather easy time with Horna 6-4 6-1.

Marius_Hancu
04-22-2005, 05:52 PM
raining or what? kind of a delay wrt:

(Q) N.Lapentti (ECU)
(wc) J. Blake (USA)

(6) S. Grosjean (FRA)
(2) A. Agassi (USA)

Jill
04-22-2005, 06:12 PM
Grosjean d. Agassi 4-6 6-1 6-2

Based on descriptions from someone who was watching on tv, Andre played absolutely horrifically in the last two sets (25% first serves in play in the 2nd set... 46 unforced errors total, which is ridiculously bad from Andre). And Grosjean only had 5 errors in the last 2 sets combined.

gugafanatic
04-22-2005, 06:18 PM
Agassi is probably getting more power with hes LM instinct but no control. What an idiot for switching racquets for the clay court swing.

scoot
04-22-2005, 06:28 PM
didnt see the match, but grosjean can frustrate the hell out of agassi on clay. he did it before at Roland Garros, he's that good - & no it wasnt clinton's fault

gugafanatic
04-22-2005, 06:42 PM
Anyone Got An Update On Blake V Lapentti?

Craig Sheppard
04-22-2005, 06:54 PM
guga, Lapentti up 4-2, about to be 4-3...

lefty10spro
04-22-2005, 06:56 PM
Blake and Lapenti playing right now on TTC. Lapenti serving up a break at 4-3 in the first (10:56est - 9:56 in TX)

gugafanatic
04-22-2005, 07:26 PM
Good test for blake, Lapentti has lots of experience on clay. A great player at one time.

Jill
04-22-2005, 07:31 PM
it's 4-6 3-0 Blake.

Jill
04-22-2005, 07:36 PM
double break 4*-0 now

gugafanatic
04-22-2005, 07:38 PM
comeon james!! Im really impressed with blakes determination this yr. Showing great fighting spirit, he really wants to win every match. Once he gets that big forehand and serve going, he can be unstoppable.

Jill
04-22-2005, 07:40 PM
Sounds like he got his serve working, and is serving some aces now.

5-0* Lapentti serving

now James to serve for the set at 5-1

gugafanatic
04-22-2005, 07:44 PM
Thanks for the updates jill, if possible keep me updated when you feel appropraite. The update on ATP tennis website doesnt even have the first set yet lol.

Jill
04-22-2005, 07:45 PM
2nd set James 6-1, Lapentti to start serving in the third. Glad to update :)

2nd set stats

2nd set stats
Lapentti Blake
aces 0 2
1st serve 61% 40%
winners 3 12
ue 15 14
break pts 0/0 2/6

gugafanatic
04-22-2005, 07:48 PM
JILL WHERE ARE YOU FROM?? AND NICE TO SEE A GIRL/WOMEN SHOWING SOME INTEREST IN THE ATP. Are you a Blake fan??

Jill
04-22-2005, 07:53 PM
Whoa, I'm in LA. I love the ATP....and I like Blake a lot, he is one of my top faves. and I'm a woman ;) I pretty much only like mens tennis, only follow a couple players on the WTA. I like the power and speed and explosiveness of mens tennis.

it's 1-1 in the 3rd set.

Jill
04-22-2005, 08:07 PM
James broke for 3*-2 in the third

the person watching says the match is very streaky, and she said she'd bet Grosjean over either of them lol

gugafanatic
04-22-2005, 08:13 PM
Comeon James!!. I doubt your friends comments. James is playing really well on clay, he has been playing with alot of confidence and is capable of blowing opponents away for at least a set. He will do better then Andre IMO.

Jill
04-22-2005, 08:15 PM
she's not my friend, just someone on another message board. I'm just transposing what she said.

James was down 15-40 serving at 3-2 but pulled it out for 4-2 and Lapentti held easily for 3-4 with James to serve up the break. She says Lapentti is trying to play more aggressively now, James will have to work really hard to pull the last couple holds out it sounds like.


James serving at 4*-3 couldn't pull it out this time, got broken :( 4-4 back on serve

Fee
04-22-2005, 08:21 PM
JILL WHERE ARE YOU FROM?? AND NICE TO SEE A GIRL/WOMEN SHOWING SOME INTEREST IN THE ATP. Are you a Blake fan??

hello, she's not the only one, just the newest... right Jill? :D

gugafanatic
04-22-2005, 08:21 PM
This Would Be Blakes First Semi (05) If He Wins Today.

Jill
04-22-2005, 08:23 PM
hello, she's not the only one, just the newest... right Jill? :Dheh. right ;)

She says this: "announcers feel that nico's spin, angles, pushing the ball back and no pace shots are getting the best of James trying to play with power"

Lapentti now up 5-4* on serve, James to serve to stay in the match *eek*

Jill
04-22-2005, 08:25 PM
5-5 James holds.

lefty10spro
04-22-2005, 08:25 PM
5-5 whew!

westside
04-22-2005, 08:26 PM
C'mon Blake

Fee
04-22-2005, 08:26 PM
well that stopped my heart for a moment. Stupid Comcast, give me the tennis channel!!!!!!!

gugafanatic
04-22-2005, 08:26 PM
DAMN NICO IS TRYING TO WIN THE MATCH BY PLAYING CONSITENTLY WAITING FOR BLAKE TO MAKE THE ERRORS!!. I hope he stays agressive and doesnt choke or tighten up.

BTW FEE I THOUGHT U WERE A GUY. TOO MANY GIRLS WITH SURPLUS ATP TENNIS KNOWLEDGE.

Jill
04-22-2005, 08:28 PM
Fee, do you bug them? I email and call all the time. They must be sick of me :D

Lapentti held and James serves at 5-6 to stay in the match and force TB

westside
04-22-2005, 08:30 PM
ive got up live scores but it wont update

Fee
04-22-2005, 08:31 PM
Because Fee is short for...? :D No problem, its happened before on this board. Kind of a compliment really, that my tennis knowledge is 'male' but click on my screenname and it becomes very obvious. Some of my posts as well.

Haka Boy
04-22-2005, 08:33 PM
I'm glad to see other Blake fans watching and waiting for updates.

Jill
04-22-2005, 08:34 PM
3rd set tiebreak.... oh my!

gugafanatic
04-22-2005, 08:35 PM
NO!! Damn could go either way now

Fee
04-22-2005, 08:37 PM
Jill are we bouncing back and forth between here and that other forum? It's madness I tell you!

Jill
04-22-2005, 08:38 PM
I think so LOL!

it's 3-2 Lapentti on serve in the TB, they traded minibreaks.

now 4-2 minibreak Lapentti at the chnge of ends :-|

Haka Boy
04-22-2005, 08:38 PM
update anyone????

Haka Boy
04-22-2005, 08:38 PM
my wife is a blake fan and im under pressure for the latest

Jill
04-22-2005, 08:39 PM
5-2 Lapentti I think that's 2 minibreaks :(

westside
04-22-2005, 08:40 PM
i just keep pressing refresh second after second until there is an update

gugafanatic
04-22-2005, 08:40 PM
update?? glued to screen

Jill
04-22-2005, 08:41 PM
Lapentti DF at 5-2 to give back 1 minibreak

and 6-3 James with 2 serves :(

lefty10spro
04-22-2005, 08:41 PM
Lapenti 7-6 in the 3rd

Fee
04-22-2005, 08:41 PM
I'll let Jill do it, I'm on a dial up. poop.

Jill
04-22-2005, 08:42 PM
James is passed. Lapentti takes the TB 7 points to 3

final score 6-4 1-6 7-6(3) :(

Haka Boy
04-22-2005, 08:42 PM
still the good thing is he's back playing his best tennis

westside
04-22-2005, 08:43 PM
DANG. He did well

Jill
04-22-2005, 08:43 PM
still the good thing is he's back playing his best tennisyes, he just mentally needs to get to the next level.

Fee
04-22-2005, 08:44 PM
I'm sure at some point tomorrow, maybe even tonight, James will be able to look at the positives of this week. He has come a long way back since last Fall when he was stuck at home with partial paralysis to his face. Very pleased to see him doing well again. :D

gugafanatic
04-22-2005, 08:44 PM
F**k this james lost another close match despite leading!

Jill
04-22-2005, 08:47 PM
I'm sure at some point tomorrow, maybe even tonight, James will be able to look at the positives of this week. He has come a long way back since last Fall when he was stuck at home with partial paralysis to his face. Very pleased to see him doing well again. :DYes, that's why James is so awesome. He gets the whole perspective. He just has to keep plugging away. He has a great shot to do well at both Tunica and Forest Hills - even win at least one of them. And he could have a good shot at qualifying for RG - those three things will really help his ranking then after the clay season he has an even better chance to add points :)

Haka Boy
04-22-2005, 08:47 PM
Gugafanatic dont feel bad, imagine what im going through here with my wife :)

Fee
04-22-2005, 08:51 PM
Tunica and Forest Hills Challengers, featuring James, Jan-Mike, and Flip. On green clay. It's just a bit wierd to me. Argh.

gugafanatic
04-22-2005, 08:53 PM
yeah sorry for the pessimism, blakes having a good yr.

Haka Boy
04-22-2005, 08:59 PM
I was just joking with you mate :) my wifes as blue as you

Marius_Hancu
04-22-2005, 09:02 PM
what's the score in the TB?
the scoring sites don't show more than 6-6:-)

Marius_Hancu
04-22-2005, 09:04 PM
James is passed. Lapentti takes the TB 7 points to 3

final score 6-4 1-6 7-6(3) :(

OK, too bad for Blake, but this is typical for him, he's missing the edge ...

Jill
04-22-2005, 09:06 PM
Tunica and Forest Hills Challengers, featuring James, Jan-Mike, and Flip. On green clay. It's just a bit wierd to me. Argh.LOL!! James really should be able to do well, he proved he can play on clay and green should be even better for him. As for Flip and Jan-Mike... no comment :p

Haka Boy
04-22-2005, 09:12 PM
OK, too bad for Blake, but this is typical for him, he's missing the edge ...
Too harsh considering the year he's had.

Fee
04-22-2005, 09:19 PM
LOL!! James really should be able to do well, he proved he can play on clay and green should be even better for him. As for Flip and Jan-Mike... no comment :p

Flip, the one guy on the entry list that I actually HOPE to see on Jan-Mike's side of the draw (which is hard to say because I like Flip...).

Anyhoo, James has a week off before Tunica begins on May 2nd, hope he enjoys the rest. :D

Jill
04-22-2005, 09:23 PM
Flip, the one guy on the entry list that I actually HOPE to see on Jan-Mike's side of the draw (which is hard to say because I like Flip...). awwwwww... lol!

Anyhoo, James has a week off before Tunica begins on May 2nd, hope he enjoys the rest. :DYea :) he deserves it! I really expect to see good things from him in these two challengers.

Objective Danny
04-23-2005, 01:19 AM
http://www.tennisrulz.com/photos/blake01.jpg

Good effort by James. Hopefully he'll advance to the semis in his next outing.

Nike Tennis2005
04-23-2005, 02:51 AM
who does james have next?

Fee
04-23-2005, 08:31 AM
Is it just me, or are posts by NikeTennis2005 blocked for some reason?

finchy
04-23-2005, 08:42 AM
wow, i got home at 1am last nite and i just woke up! lol. anyways, it looked like blake didnt have a clay court game. he did develop some points well, but on some, he just wasnt patient enough. it also looked like he got really tired after the 2nd set.

but im happy, I GOT HIS AUTOGRAPH!!!

btw, it looks like a 25....lol (his autograph)

Jill
04-23-2005, 01:19 PM
Andy beats Melzer 6-4 6-2.

Tight first set, there were four breaks in a row at one point and Andy was down 2-4 and rattled off 4 games in a row. Someone watching on another MB said Andy started playing better at the end of the 1st set, and Melzer started falling apart mentally and tossing in errors.

gugafanatic
04-23-2005, 01:24 PM
A.rod Doing Well On Clay, The Real Test Will Be In The Final Though Against Grosjean (assuming He Beats Nico).

federerhoogenbandfan
04-23-2005, 01:28 PM
Andy always does well in Houston which isnt even played on real clay, and the field is somewhat tame. When he goes overseas to Europe look for him to resume his usual 1st, 2nd, and occasional 3rd round losses.

Jill
04-23-2005, 01:31 PM
How do you define "real clay"? That's interesting, since the clay used in Houston is the exact same terre battue as that used at Roland Garros.

federerhoogenbandfan
04-23-2005, 01:36 PM
It may be red clay, but the players dont seem to think it is the same, especialy the Europeans who play the event. The point is Roddick always does well there, for whatever reason, but isnt that good a clay courter, and probably will have trouble winning rounds in Europe.

Jill
04-23-2005, 01:39 PM
I think the Europeans don't play b/c they'd rather stay in Europe. Absolutely, the field is weak and that's why the Americans do well. But substantively, the clay is the same, minus the differences in the Houston and Paris climates (from what I understand, it plays a little bit faster in Houston, but still much slower than Rome). They water it down after every set and everything and it is the same exact surfaces. Until this year, when they couldn't come, the actual grounds crew from Roland Garros used to come over to prepare the claycourts for this tournament. It is not the clay that keeps the Europeans away.

Vlad
04-23-2005, 02:43 PM
Houston event is played on real clay, but the question here is not the clay, but the conditions and field. Based on temperature, Houston should play very fast (even faster than Rome) and I would imagine the organizers would do anything to make it as fast as possible to suit Roddick's game. Given that Houston has a joke of a clay court field with 90% hard court players. Roddick can beat guys like Melzer and Horna on any surface imaginable.. The real test would be in Europe obviously, so in my book Houston will always be a joke of a tournament.

Jill
04-23-2005, 03:03 PM
it doesn't play faster than Rome, not according to the players anyway. The only reason it plays faster is b/c of the climate, like you said. But from what everyone has told me and from what I witnessed myself at the tourney, it plays pretty similarly to Paris. You're right about the field though, that's why Andy does well there and that's why people think the tournament is a joke. Not because of the surface (til they change it back to green clay next year, anyway.. lol)

From Rome last year:

Q. Is it much different, the clay here than in Houston?

ANDY RODDICK: Actually, this surface probably suited me a little better. You know, the surface was fine. I think the wind had blown a lot of the clay off. The balls are going through the court very fast here. You know, I was pretty excited about the conditions when I got here. So, you know, if it is different, it was different in a positive way.

Jill
04-23-2005, 06:02 PM
Grosjean beats Lapentti 6-1 7-6(5)... didn't get too many details on how they were playing, except that Lapentti upped his level in the 2nd and that's why it was closer.

Roddick/Grosjean final.

Jill
04-24-2005, 11:20 AM
Does anyone care about doubles? Knowles and Nestor won the title again, beating Horna and Garcia 6-3 6-4.

Andy Hewitt
04-24-2005, 11:29 AM
it doesn't play faster than Rome, not according to the players anyway. The only reason it plays faster is b/c of the climate, like you said. But from what everyone has told me and from what I witnessed myself at the tourney, it plays pretty similarly to Paris. You're right about the field though, that's why Andy does well there and that's why people think the tournament is a joke. Not because of the surface (til they change it back to green clay next year, anyway.. lol)

From Rome last year:

Q. Is it much different, the clay here than in Houston?

ANDY RODDICK: Actually, this surface probably suited me a little better. You know, the surface was fine. I think the wind had blown a lot of the clay off. The balls are going through the court very fast here. You know, I was pretty excited about the conditions when I got here. So, you know, if it is different, it was different in a positive way.
They're changing it back to green clay next year?

Jill
04-24-2005, 11:34 AM
They're changing it back to green clay next year? That's the rumor, I don't think it's official yet. They could not get the crew from Paris in this year it seems, so they had to do the courts themselves and there have been all kinds of problems (bad bounces, REALLY bad bounces, players tripping in divets, etc).

federerhoogenbandfan
04-24-2005, 12:02 PM
Well if it is real red clay, and if Jill seems so sure it must be, then they should keep it. Atleast give the tournament something valid about it as far as being a true clay court event. The field certainly does not do that, nor a clay court neophyte like Roddick being in the final every year, when he wont be past the 3rd round(maybe 2nd round)of any tier 1 clay court event in Europe or the French Open.

Jill
04-24-2005, 12:09 PM
It's definitely real red clay, this is not my opinion lol. I walked on it myself last year at the tourney, it's most definitely real. LOL

federerhoogenbandfan
04-24-2005, 12:31 PM
Fine it is read red clay, but it is the only red clay Roddick will be seeing anything of the weekend. :)

barry
04-24-2005, 12:33 PM
federerhoogenbandfan

Roddick has had an easy draw all the way to the final. Of course it is like a Satelite tournament for the Pro tour. Does the ATP give any points for winning it. Got to be low, all of the good players are overseas playing in a major clay court event.
Beginning to think Roddick only keeps his ranking by getting easy draws. When he plays a top 20 player most of the time he loses.
Hear is who he played this year. http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/players/46

federerhoogenbandfan
04-24-2005, 12:39 PM
When I kept looking over Roddick's draws it was the first time I thought Dokic's old comments about draws being rigged might not be the total stupidity I once thought it was.

efice32
04-24-2005, 12:42 PM
Are we just talking about this year with the fixed draws for Andy Roddick? How about in the US Open the year he won it he had to play TIM HENMAN in the FIRST ROUND!!!! That's not exactly fixed for him to do well.


Isn't this supposed to be Houston spoilers, meaning we discuss the matches that are going on right now? If so: Roddick won the first set 6-2 against Grosjean.

alienhamster
04-24-2005, 01:09 PM
Yeah, efice. I'd like to hear the scores if you could post them.

Everyone else: Barry's conspiracy theories are tired and unfortunately contagious. Yeah, Houston is weak overall, but how does that favor Roddick over Agassi or any of the other top seeds? All the top players benefit from a weak draw--how is this being construed as favoritism? Moreover, Roddick's draw was far tougher than Agassi's half. He had Puerta, Haas, Melzer, and Horna all in his half. He got lucky in that these opponents--which have posted good clay results in the past--all seemed to crap out. What does this have to do with favoritism and rigged draws exactly?

federerhoogenbandfan
04-24-2005, 01:21 PM
If Puerta, Melzer, and Horna is a tough draw that really speaks volumes about the event.

efice32
04-24-2005, 01:30 PM
Roddick dominates 6-2, 6-2 for his third Houston title in 5 years.

alienhamster
04-24-2005, 01:31 PM
If Puerta, Melzer, and Horna is a tough draw that really speaks volumes about the event.
The key word is *tougher.* I never said it was a tough draw, but that it was less of a cakewalk than Agassi's draw. We're all in agreement that overall this is a weak field.

barry
04-24-2005, 01:31 PM
efice32

I remember that match, henman just came off shoulder surgery, first match back.
Point of all this is Roddick beats no one in the top 20, so why does he deserve to be ranked 5. Same old weak draws week after week, can't wait to see the French?
All the hard court players will be in his side.

barry
04-24-2005, 01:33 PM
alienhamster

Here is who Roddick played so far this year. Can it get any weaker?

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/players/46

efice32
04-24-2005, 01:34 PM
The key word is *tougher.* I never said it was a tough draw, but that it was less of a cakewalk than Agassi's draw. We're all in agreement that overall this is a weak field.

Well, Roddick played Melzer in the Semis and Agassi played Grosjean in the QF's so I don't know if that was a tougher draw for Andy, but he definitely got lucky with Melzer taking out Haas.

federerhoogenbandfan
04-24-2005, 01:36 PM
I would be willing to bet anybody on here $100 Roddick does not get past the 3rd round of Hamburg, the Italian Open, or the French Open.

alienhamster
04-24-2005, 01:41 PM
Point of all this is Roddick beats no one in the top 20, so why does he deserve to be ranked 5. Same old weak draws week after week, can't wait to see the French? All the hard court players will be in his side.

Barry, I seriously can't tell if you're complaining about the tournament organizers or else the cosmos as far as who's supposedly fixing Roddick's draws. And doesn't Roddick have a decent record against Moya, Safin, and Coria? How much counter-evidence do you need to make you stop posting this crap?

Efice, thanks for posting the score. I really think Roddick could get a better clay game together if he'd just commit to playing more Euro tournaments. He's never going to dominate on the surface but he could certainly be more competitive.

federerhoogenbandfan
04-24-2005, 01:43 PM
Perhaps alienhamster would like to take up my bet given the inflated image he always has had of A-rod. :)

alienhamster
04-24-2005, 01:45 PM
Well, Roddick played Melzer in the Semis and Agassi played Grosjean in the QF's so I don't know if that was a tougher draw for Andy, but he definitely got lucky with Melzer taking out Haas.
Just to clarify: I'm talking about who was drawn into each player's half, NOT who they actually faced. Fact is, Roddick could have faced Haas, but he didn't. So we know MAttress Mac wasn't handing Roddick an easy draw from the get-go, as some people seem to insinuate.

Jill
04-24-2005, 01:47 PM
efice32

I remember that match, henman just came off shoulder surgery, first match back.
Point of all this is Roddick beats no one in the top 20, so why does he deserve to be ranked 5. Same old weak draws week after week, can't wait to see the French?
All the hard court players will be in his side.

You're wrong - Henman had been back for a while and even won the Washington DC tournament. He was one of the highest unseeded players at the US Open and he was the only player to beat Andy in the summer lead-in to the USO.

federerhoogenbandfan, you know that Roddick's made the Semis in Rome, right?

federerhoogenbandfan
04-24-2005, 01:50 PM
Yes, I know that. :) I would be willing to bet money it wont happen again though.

alienhamster
04-24-2005, 01:53 PM
Perhaps alienhamster would like to take up my bet given the inflated image he always has had of A-rod. :)
Since you assume he's essentially a talentless sack of crap, and I think he's a solid, decent player, yeah, I could see how you think that's inflated. I think I'm pretty fair about his abilities, and you seem to constantly underrate him.

I probably wouldn't take your bet because Roddick will probably lose in the second or third round of these events. As I have said numerous times before--and which you refuse to hear--Roddick *may* have a good run where he gets to the 4th round or quarters. This will depend on his draw, of course.

Why is this an unreasonable assesment of him?

federerhoogenbandfan
04-24-2005, 01:58 PM
No I dont think he is a talentless sack of crap. I also dont think he is somebody that went into this years Australian Open with a better chance of winning it than Federer as you did, and I can go back and bring up you saying so. I also dont think he, or anybody is a serious threat to Federer on grass, perfectly reasonable when playing the match of his life he could not beat a very sick Roger in last years Wimbledon final. I also dont think he will ever be year-end #1 again and that he gained it in 2003 only because Roger choked it away 5 or 6 times, not too unreasonable when you go back and analyze the year closer, and notice some of the losses Roger had with #1 on the line, a loss to Ferrero in a Masters Series semi on fast indoor court, 2 straight big losses to Nalbandian, etc......

alienhamster
04-24-2005, 01:59 PM
And one more thing, federerhoogenetc. . . .

You know, I speak out so much on these boards for A-Rod because people are always on his case, so that may partially be why my view seems "inflated" to you. I think you and I both share a love for Federer, too, and I also like Safin and a few other guys. (Can't stand Hewitt, though.) I'd defend Federer in a second if I ever needed to, but that's never the case around here.

Roddick's got his flaws for sure, but he's not the crapfest y'all try to make him out to be.

federerhoogenbandfan
04-24-2005, 02:03 PM
Hey every sport has to have an athlete people love to hate. :) Take it as a compliment if you are a fan of that athlete, it is better than everybody ignoring them.

alienhamster
04-24-2005, 02:08 PM
I thought Federer had a great chance of winning the Aussie this year, but I really thought it was going to be Roddick, Safin, or Agassi. It just seemed unlikely to me that Federer could maintain the win streak for that long (and I was right). Doesn't mean I think Roddick's a better player than Federer, cause I don't. But Roddick's always done well on Rebound Ace, and if he hadn't crapped out against Hewitt this year, he might have won the whole thing. You have to admit he had a shot.

Is this where the "inflated" thing comes from? Look, we make predictions on those predictions threads because of a combination of factors--not just who we think is the best but also who we just happen to like, and also who we just have a gut feeling about.

In any case, thanks for explaining this. I've seen you be on my case a bit in other threads and I couldn't figure out why. :)

BTW, do you think Nadal's gonna take the French this year?

barry
04-24-2005, 02:36 PM
alienhamster

Only way Roddick gets far into a tournament is the easy draws! lets face it, when was the last time he beat a top 10 player?
Hewitt and Federer owns him, I think Roddick beat Moya last year. He may be the best American player, but that does not say much. Hopefully someone coming up through the ranks will take his place.
Roddick gets all the hype, but cannot produce against the best! Would rather watch the best, than Roddick over and over again on ESPN.

federerhoogenbandfan
04-24-2005, 02:37 PM
Well I thought Roddick had a chance at the Australian, I just didnt think he had a better chance than Fed when Fed had won it the year before and had beaten Roddick their last 3 meetings including one on faster harder hard court; also if he has a better chance at the Australian, I interpreted that as having a better chance at atleast 2 slams since his chances of having a better chance than Fed are better at the U.S open than the Australian if you know what I mean.

I think Nadal will win the French now. I dont think he is a safe pick, but he is my first choice. If he doesnt it could be Coria or Federer. In fact I almost could not imagine it being anybody other than those three. Safin is good on clay, but I couldnt see him winning the French, and even less could I see Hewitt or Roddick.
Moya should have a chance given his clay court-ability, but he isnt enough of a big event type player anymore so I dont think he has any. Ferrero is playing better, but not well enough again to have a shot of winning the French, even though he was the favorite only 2 and 3 years ago. Gaudio or Costa no way could I see winning again.

federerhoogenbandfan
04-24-2005, 02:40 PM
I agree Roddick had a great situation at the Australian this year. He has had trouble with Hewitt head to head since Hewitt returned to making finals regularly last summer. However Hewitt must have been worn out after all those long matches, and Roddick had a great chance to beat him considering that. Hewitt looked better in the final but he had some recovery time. Safin has lost to Roddick a few times in a row, so Roddick probably would have had the mental edge facing him, and Safin probably wouldnt beat somebody he usually loses to twice in a row(Federer already).
Hewitt is somebody he beats a good amount of the time so his thinking was probably different playing him after beating Federer.

goober
04-24-2005, 02:47 PM
when was the last time he beat a top 10 player?
.

About 6 weeks ago he beat Moya at Indian Wells. Is that recent enough for you?

barry
04-24-2005, 03:14 PM
goober

I think he always beats moya! So what else is new. Look at the players he beat this year, you have to laugh, anyone good he loses.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/players/46

Most of them no one has heard of, easy draw is an easy draw.

nkhera1
04-24-2005, 03:30 PM
goober

I think he always beats moya! So what else is new. Look at the players he beat this year, you have to laugh, anyone good he loses.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/players/46

Most of them no one has heard of, easy draw is an easy draw.

What can Roddick do when the player he is scheduled to play loses? Federer gets some pretty good draws, but I don't see anyone complaining then. The funny thing about the draws is that for the most part they are based upon rankings.

goober
04-24-2005, 03:41 PM
Well if you want to rag on top 10 players-

#3 Safin has losses to Kiefer, Hrbaty, Ferrero, Acasuso, Taylor Dent this year. These losses are far worse than what Roddick has done this year. Other than winning the Australian Open what else has he done?

#5 Coria has losses to Rochus, Dent, De Chaunac, Srichaphan this year. What big wins does he have this year? He lost to Nalbandian, Nadal, Agassi. All the top players he has faced this year. So why don't you call him out as well?

#6 Henman has not beaten anybody in the top 10 this year. He has lost to every player he has faced in the top 30 this year including Canas, Ljubicic,
Ancic and of course Federer. So why don't you get on his case as well?

#7 Moya The highest ranked player he has beaten this year is Ferrro at #58. The only top 10 player he faced was Roddick and he lost.

I don't even want to bother looking up #8 Gaudio or #9 Nalbandian. Basically outside of Hewitt and Federer nobody has been really impressive this year, but maybe that is why they are #1 and #2 in the world? Compared to the rest of the top 10 Roddick's record this year really isn't that bad.

efice32
04-24-2005, 03:56 PM
goober: AMEN!

If Roddick plays the patient clay-court game he played today, he could threaten in the upcoming weeks.

federerhoogenbandfan
04-24-2005, 04:18 PM
Yes if he plays more patient he could threaten to make some more 3rd rounds of big clay court events, unlike last year where he never got past the 2nd round. :)

DashaandSafin
04-24-2005, 04:23 PM
Har har im predicting a 4th round for mr. roddick...he needs to bring out his damn potential and get a good coach.

nkhera1
04-24-2005, 04:27 PM
Yes if he plays more patient he could threaten to make some more 3rd rounds of big clay court events, unlike last year where he never got past the 2nd round. :)

He also needs to be more agressive on serve return especially on Clay and he may get farther in Roland Garros than Federer, because he always manipulates the draws as mentioned above. I wonder why everyone gives Roddick such an easy draw, maybe he has dirty pictures or mayb he pays them.

federerhoogenbandfan
04-24-2005, 04:29 PM
Roddick will definitely not go further in Roland Garros than Federer.

DashaandSafin
04-24-2005, 04:39 PM
Obviously wise words from the ultimate fed fan.

federerhoogenbandfan
04-24-2005, 05:56 PM
True on both counts. :)

efice32
04-24-2005, 06:23 PM
Nadal can beat anyone on clay so it doesn't matter.

federerhoogenbandfan
04-25-2005, 06:42 AM
Nadal is not a lock for the French, he is not so dominant yet to be called that. I dont think there is one lock for the French. If the draw allows for it though Nadal, Coria, and Federer, will be 3 of the 4 semifinalists, and any of the 3 could win the title. A number of people could be the 4th semifinalist but it wont be Roddick.

devila
04-25-2005, 03:34 PM
That makes other tourneys more fun to watch. 4 hour marathons on clay are boring.

gugafanatic
04-25-2005, 04:40 PM
Nadal is not a lock for the French, he is not so dominant yet to be called that. I dont think there is one lock for the French. If the draw allows for it though Nadal, Coria, and Federer, will be 3 of the 4 semifinalists, and any of the 3 could win the title. A number of people could be the 4th semifinalist but it wont be Roddick.

Federer wont be there and neither coria based on present results. Fed will most likely be downed by a streaky clay courter and Coria just doesnt seem to be able to beat the top guys anymore, he owned the clay last yr. I would put Nadal, Gaudio, Ferrero, and Moya ahead of Federer. In fact Fed could be in real trouble in terms of world no 1 spot in ATP Race if he suffers a relatively early exit and Nadal wins ROME,HAMBURG AND FO. What an achievement that would be by the prodigy!! VAMOS RAFA (FED IS FINISHED)

devila
04-25-2005, 11:20 PM
Federer and his trolls will dramatically declare Federer the best player of all time as well as the most modest person ever after Federer beats Hewitt for the 1324th time,

SydW
04-26-2005, 01:16 AM
Federer wont be there and neither coria based on present results. Fed will most likely be downed by a streaky clay courter and Coria just doesnt seem to be able to beat the top guys anymore, he owned the clay last yr. I would put Nadal, Gaudio, Ferrero, and Moya ahead of Federer. In fact Fed could be in real trouble in terms of world no 1 spot in ATP Race if he suffers a relatively early exit and Nadal wins ROME,HAMBURG AND FO. What an achievement that would be by the prodigy!! VAMOS RAFA (FED IS FINISHED)

When are you going to chance your name to RafaelFanatic?

federerhoogenbandfan
04-26-2005, 08:27 AM
Federer wont be there and neither coria based on present results. Fed will most likely be downed by a streaky clay courter and Coria just doesnt seem to be able to beat the top guys anymore, he owned the clay last yr. I would put Nadal, Gaudio, Ferrero, and Moya ahead of Federer. In fact Fed could be in real trouble in terms of world no 1 spot in ATP Race if he suffers a relatively early exit and Nadal wins ROME,HAMBURG AND FO. What an achievement that would be by the prodigy!! VAMOS RAFA (FED IS FINISHED)

LOL! Get real. Gaudio lost 6-0, 6-3 to Nadal in Monte Carlo, and had to save a match point against a virtual unknown today. Moya has not beaten a top player yet this year. Ferrero has been regularly spanked around by both Nadal and Coria this year.

Oh and even if Nadal caught Federer by the end of the clay court season, what comes after that, grass which Federer is far superior on, hard courts which even if Nadal does well so will Fed, and indoors where against Fed is superior. So keep dreaming.