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LeeD
12-25-2009, 03:57 PM
Thanks for posting those fotos on pronation.
I totally forgot about that in my 30 year layoff from competitive tennis, and your 3 pics got me pronating again....
Today, went out to the courts and served close to my best of 1978, increasing my service speed AND getting more consistency too boot.
Honestly, old age, alzhimer's, and fading brain working on iboprofen got me thinking my first flats can now only go about 105 or so. With those 3 pics in mind, easy low 120's again, the percentage going in easy half better, giving confidence to swing out on the first flats.
I played with the 3 guys who went up against #2Harvard's serves yesterday, and they said mine was right there in pure speed, but I can't come close to backing it up, of course. I'm not anywhere near 5.5.
THANKS AGAIN and I hope you all get the pronation and let's raise our game levels !!

SuperDuy
01-04-2011, 08:25 PM
What were the pronation tips you remembered?

LeeD
01-04-2011, 08:40 PM
High hand a millisecond after impact, hand still above your head when your racket is now pointing straight down at the ground at your front foot.
Didn't do that today, but cracked about 30 serves well into the teens, almost hitting my partners who have seen my serves for 5 years. Was fun watching them try to defend themselves, not trying to return the serve.
I concentrated on serves up the middle, more margin for error, and a quick swing with the new 10.3 oz racket.
Put a silver dollar size knot on my shin from a huge overhead. I paid that price....:(:( hurts 9 hours later if it touches my pants..
I forgot how fun it is to hit body serves, and how inconsistent I can be when I try for the sidelines. This old dog just keeps forgetting the basics....hit hard, hit hard, hit hard, as long as it goes in, who really cares WHERE?

SuperDuy
01-04-2011, 08:41 PM
Seeing you say easy low 120's again, how does it feel going up against DIV 1 singles players? Do you still use this technique now?

LeeD
01-04-2011, 08:54 PM
Well, early last year, I was playing doubles with some Div1 singles guys, kids of parents I play tennis with on semester break. I'd stand 4' behind the baseline to return their first flat serves. THEY'D stand 4' behind the baseline to return my first flat serves. But they stood atop the baseline to return anyone elses serves.
And against a former #1 at CalPoly (Div11), I sometimes kicked my twists right up around his forehead, and he's 6'5" and some change. Mostly, he'd step well forwards and crush the ball back towards me thos...:oops::oops:
But they are WAAY better players. Superior movement is the biggest standout. They don't hit harder, but can set up more often.

SuperDuy
01-04-2011, 09:07 PM
double post

SuperDuy
01-04-2011, 09:08 PM
I don't regret starting tennis at 24. Before tennis, I had already made 4A in California surfing (the highest rating next to world touring pro, there are a total of 50 at that level, I was 31.), had played 3 years of varsity basketball AND football for high school, was #7 in the whole California college level in Novice Fencing (after ONE semester, eligibility goes to 3 quarters or 2 semesters), had my 3rd overall trophy for 250 ProductionRoadRacing for AFM, had already got drummed out of the Army, and was delivering sailboats for a living in the fall, winter, and spring, and salmonfishing on a 50' steel boat in the summers out of HalfMoonBay.
With all that life experience, it was an easier transition to competitive tennis than most anyone could have. Don't forget the 3 years of high school basketball, and 2 more in junior high. Lots of moment, ball handling, passing, and balance practice.
In football, I was, of course, the smallest starter on all 3 teams. And I played OLB mainly, and starting TE (then a blocking position 99% of the time).
I threw rocks as a kid, on the beach, and in low 7th grade, could throw a softball 180' thru the air. I couldn't have been 4'3" and 50 lbs. then.

I had the luck of the draw to never really have to work, except the 3 hours after school sports cleaning up my Dad's restaurant after closing. Dad died at 16, just after I got my motorcycle (250 Yamaha), while I was still playing football and basketball for high school. That gave me the freedom to do whatever I wanted as long as I made the house payments for Mom. Bro and Sis had moved out already.
JV football, ONE other guy my size, and he was the pass sit nosetackle (102lbs.). Everyone else was at least 5'8" and 140 lbs.
Varsity football, no one on the team within 40 lbs of me, but that's OK, both our all city runningbacks hated to be tackled by me on one on one's. I was all bones and elbows, knees and hips, and most guys got bruised from my tackles, thos I got totally bowled over backwards most times. I never threw for distance after making varsity as a 11th grader. In JV, at 5'2" and 102 lbs., retrieved and tossed back the football as an OLB. Distance in the air right past 75 yards. MikeHolmgren was our starting QB, the coach of the Seahawks. He couldn't throw much farther than 60 yards, but the ball bounces much more.
Surfing. I was shop sponsored by WiseSurfboards, got Oneill wetsuits at 60% off retail +shipping, got free clothes from them, TimBessell and RobinProdanovich my board sponsors which I ended up paying about $150 for boards including shipping up here. I still get the wetsuit deal, but only order one wetsuit every 3 years. Don't want to push my luck and deals. Nobody paid me $$$, but contest entrees paid by Oneill, and Robin would sometimes pick up the gas for distance travelled. Tim didn't care so much for me, as I think he thought I was only a big wave surfer, not a tiny wave SoCal contest surfer. I did win a couple of heats for him in 4A, but his boards were high strung and best only in really clean, glassy conditions.

Guy I toss footballs with is a 6' tall, 210 ball of muscle, a USF gymnastics coach, who can hit a 6 iron well over 250 yards in the air. I go about 10 yards farther on football throws, and his ego gets bruised. He's quite good at tennis, so he gets even with me by splitting sets mostly.
I"ve seen Kiteboard only once at the RoseGardens. He's a big blond electrician, and was hanging out at the street, not down on the courts.
I have hit with his buddys, JeffWilliams and HermanBauer, who was a top 3 ranked National 18 in the nation.
I'm not as tall as KevinKan, but at 5'11", taller than most other's.

Life is all about choices. I decided at 12 to never try to have kids, as I knew I would be a kid til the end.
Right around then, I decided that one of my goals, besides going to the GreekIslands, and Iceland, would be to live homeless for a while. From around 10-15, I would wander downtown SanFrancisco by myself after dark, and met lots of cool, but rather smelly, homeless people, hang around them for hours, then streetcar it back home well after midnight.
Having had the luck to live most of my life in new houses, or housing, it's a rather nice treat NOT to have to live in them for a while. For a while. Next year, I'm getting SocialSecurity around 200 more than I make now, so we'll see.
The taxi job in SanFrancisco, if you're a night driver, is full of highjinx, broken dreams, and peaks into unreality. Paid well, supported a full on motocross career for 7 years, but also landed me in jail a few times, besides being shot at from the backseat of my cab two different times, stabbed while being robbed, and teens of runaways which I decided I had to persue. I did it for the 7 years I persued motocross.
$$$$... well, you make do with what you gots. Yeah, no Honda, got $650 from CleanAirAct and bought a longbed Ford150 van. My home now for 1.5 years. Showers and bathroom at the Marina, food from DollarStore or GroceryOutlet, lots of first and only dates. I'm one of the better windsurfers in the area, so attract lots of young good looking women. They see my lifestyle and run. That's cool. Let live, be happy.
Work 2 days a week gardening, 2 hours per. Every other Sat, work at CalAdventures, for half the day, but I gotta have my afternoons off to windsurf.

Quoted this from a different post of yours, so how come you didnt continue to play football? You could of been a good QB.

LeeD
01-04-2011, 09:17 PM
QB, no chance in heck....
I could huck the ball a fair distance, but with 5 forward steps, not one.
I was the shortest guy on the team all 3 high school years.
Not sure about the center to QB handoff thing.
My thing was to hit people low and hard, and get there before the play developed.
QB position is for cheerleader boyfriend types, definetely not me. Not only was I tiny, but butt ugly like a newt. That's WHY I had to play sports thru school, to avoid getting myself beat up. In my day, nobody picks on anyone from football, basketball, or soccer teams. If you did, you'd have 1/2 the team looking for you late at night.

SuperDuy
01-04-2011, 09:21 PM
QB, no chance in heck....
I could huck the ball a fair distance, but with 5 forward steps, not one.
I was the shortest guy on the team all 3 high school years.
Not sure about the center to QB handoff thing.
My thing was to hit people low and hard, and get there before the play developed.
QB position is for cheerleader boyfriend types, definetely not me. Not only was I tiny, but butt ugly like a newt. That's WHY I had to play sports thru school, to avoid getting myself beat up. In my day, nobody picks on anyone from football, basketball, or soccer teams. If you did, you'd have 1/2 the team looking for you late at night.

Same things these days Domond with the teams. So did you take any trips last year to Baja California surfing; or go to the Greek islands yet? Read last paragraph you wrote of my quote. Why chose to go homeless?

LeeD
01-04-2011, 09:27 PM
No trips in a while, I'm on sabbatical from having fun adventures.
G/F, the one in PuertoRico, wants to get a little better at windsurfing so she can explore the sites in PR maybe next Nov. I've been on the leading edge of new surf and windsurf sites for the last 35 years here in SanFrancisco area, but haven't done anything lately, sitting on my butt.
I have tons of gear on Oahu, but that is old hat and old gear.
I plan to find some shipping way to get 2-4 sets of windsurf and kite gear to PuertoRico for not too much $$$$. I got tons of gear (like 30 windsurf boards and triple that in sails), but no real income.
Oh, did you know? I'm incredibly lazy.

SuperDuy
01-04-2011, 09:31 PM
No trips in a while, I'm on sabbatical from having fun adventures.
G/F, the one in PuertoRico, wants to get a little better at windsurfing so she can explore the sites in PR maybe next Nov. I've been on the leading edge of new surf and windsurf sites for the last 35 years here in SanFrancisco area, but haven't done anything lately, sitting on my butt.
I have tons of gear on Oahu, but that is old hat and old gear.
I plan to find some shipping way to get 2-4 sets of windsurf and kite gear to PuertoRico for not too much $$$$. I got tons of gear (like 30 windsurf boards and triple that in sails), but no real income.
Oh, did you know? I'm incredibly lazy.

Oh you are going to Puerto Rico in november? You cant take it on a plane? So when was the last time you went to outside of us, beside mexico.

LeeD
01-04-2011, 09:37 PM
Plane won't accept 200lbs of gear, 9' long bags, in multiple bags for any price, we asked.
Air Cargo is one way, or Air Freight airport to airport.
Last time to Maui now is '03, for 3 weeks without then g/f. Was lonely and kinda boring. I'd hit every spot I could think of, and didn't meet anyone fun or single, except tons of guys doing the same thing.

SuperDuy
01-04-2011, 09:39 PM
Plane won't accept 200lbs of gear, 9' long bags, in multiple bags for any price, we asked.
Air Cargo is one way, or Air Freight airport to airport.
Last time to Maui now is '03, for 3 weeks without then g/f. Was lonely and kinda boring. I'd hit every spot I could think of, and didn't meet anyone fun or single, except tons of guys doing the same thing.

Yeah its boring going alone, thats what my uncle says when he goes to california. So are you going to ship the gear on on freight plane? What is different from Puerto Rico then Hawayee? How was your trip in 03, when did you go, play any tennis? So you didnt go with your g/f aka (god father) in 03? why not?

LeeD
01-04-2011, 09:44 PM
No tennis, just my last big rep job for KineticSailboards, before they pulled the plug in the USA and throttled down back to SE Asia. Might have been great if then g/f was there, she'd WON some big races here in Berkeley, and was one of the most respected female windsurfers in the whole BayArea. She couldn't get time off work.
Late summer, consistent 15-22mph breezes, light for Maui.
I think I like Oahu better than Maui. It's lighter wind, but I have big gear over there, know the spots, and know tons of surfers and windsurfers there.

SuperDuy
01-04-2011, 09:47 PM
No tennis, just my last big rep job for KineticSailboards, before they pulled the plug in the USA and throttled down back to SE Asia. Might have been great if then g/f was there, she'd WON some big races here in Berkeley, and was one of the most respected female windsurfers in the whole BayArea. She couldn't get time off work.
Late summer, consistent 15-22mph breezes, light for Maui.
I think I like Oahu better than Maui. It's lighter wind, but I have big gear over there, know the spots, and know tons of surfers and windsurfers there.

Ok you made surfboards then? Sounds cool, what is so special about Puerto Rico, does your god father want to go there? Why not go to the greek islands or iceland? Maui is cool place, been there one time for surfing. What is more making you want to wind surf instead of surf, less equiptment and other benifits?

LeeD
01-04-2011, 09:53 PM
Surfing is great. The young aggressive crowd is not. Less equipement, I'd bring only 3 boards anywhere I travel nowadaze.
Windsurfing sucks in the amount of gear you gotta cart around. People are really friendly and nice, and it's almost a party feeling, us against them, like surfing was back in the mid 60's.
PuertoRico. I have no desire to go there. Current G/F owns a beach condo in Fajardo, E side of the island. She goes back there 3 times a year. I suspect she's going out with me because I can windsurf. I'm 21 years her senior, so it can't be my good looks. Most girls only go out with me because I can do some sports pretty well, not because I'm the money making catch they are really looking for.

SuperDuy
01-04-2011, 09:58 PM
Surfing is great. The young aggressive crowd is not. Less equipement, I'd bring only 3 boards anywhere I travel nowadaze.
Windsurfing sucks in the amount of gear you gotta cart around. People are really friendly and nice, and it's almost a party feeling, us against them, like surfing was back in the mid 60's.
PuertoRico. I have no desire to go there. Current G/F owns a beach condo in Fajardo, E side of the island. She goes back there 3 times a year. I suspect she's going out with me because I can windsurf. I'm 21 years her senior, so it can't be my good looks. Most girls only go out with me because I can do some sports pretty well, not because I'm the money making catch they are really looking for.

Is she from Puerto Rico just owns property there. If you had your choice to go to anywhere in the world where would you go? Hard question, would you go to Dubai to hit with Federer or go to an exotic tropical island? Is your girl friend love you for yourself or just windsurfing teacher?

LeeD
01-04-2011, 10:08 PM
If I could go anywhere in the world, I'd go to the east side of SanFrancisco bay and windsurf all summer, snowboard and play tennis all winter. Wait wait, I'm already doing that!
G/F... well, you know, they're all different. But I've had surfing girlfriends, tennis girlfriends, skiing girlfriends, even motocross girlfriends, and honestly, I don't think ANY one of them thought of me as a long term solution. I get pretty good pretty quickly at most sports, so women think maybe I'm a train they can hitch onto for a short while, then go about their money seeking ways....:):) It's OK, that's the life I chose, and I don't regret it one bit, unless I'm starving, broke, out of a place to lay down, cold, tired, and no one wuves me ..:oops::cry:
Fortunately, to play this lifestyle, I got to rebound quickly, forget the losses, embrace the future, keep my head up, and keep goofing around...

SuperDuy
01-04-2011, 10:13 PM
If I could go anywhere in the world, I'd go to the east side of SanFrancisco bay and windsurf all summer, snowboard and play tennis all winter. Wait wait, I'm already doing that!
G/F... well, you know, they're all different. But I've had surfing girlfriends, tennis girlfriends, skiing girlfriends, even motocross girlfriends, and honestly, I don't think ANY one of them thought of me as a long term solution. I get pretty good pretty quickly at most sports, so women think maybe I'm a train they can hitch onto for a short while, then go about their money seeking ways....:):) It's OK, that's the life I chose, and I don't regret it one bit, unless I'm starving, broke, out of a place to lay down, cold, tired, and no one wuves me ..:oops::cry:
Fortunately, to play this lifestyle, I got to rebound quickly, forget the losses, embrace the future, keep my head up, and keep goofing around...

Thats about it, a train that provides information and instruction they need for a sport they love, then once they are good at it they love for someone else to get info from and the circle continues. If you dont have anyone by your 40,k chances are you wont find anyone, in most cases right? So you wouldnt rather be racing senior motocross if you had the chance? Or living in hawayee on a ceos pension? cmon domond, shame shame. goodnite.

danno123
01-05-2011, 03:20 AM
I suspect that LeeD is actually an internet gazillionaire who is playing us.

ProgressoR
01-05-2011, 03:59 AM
LeeD do you mean snapping your wrist or pronation? Are they the same thing? I can see how "snapping" the wrist, but can you actively decide to pronate more?

larry10s
01-05-2011, 05:29 AM
Thanks for posting those fotos on pronation.
I totally forgot about that in my 30 year layoff from competitive tennis, and your 3 pics got me pronating again....
Today, went out to the courts and served close to my best of 1978, increasing my service speed AND getting more consistency too boot.
Honestly, old age, alzhimer's, and fading brain working on iboprofen got me thinking my first flats can now only go about 105 or so. With those 3 pics in mind, easy low 120's again, the percentage going in easy half better, giving confidence to swing out on the first flats.
I played with the 3 guys who went up against #2Harvard's serves yesterday, and they said mine was right there in pure speed, but I can't come close to backing it up, of course. I'm not anywhere near 5.5.
THANKS AGAIN and I hope you all get the pronation and let's raise our game levels !!

can you link those 3 pics??

larry10s
01-05-2011, 08:28 AM
just a bump to get the pics

LeeD
01-05-2011, 08:41 AM
Sorry, I don't have the knowledge, or the ways and means of posting pics.
You've seen the high elbow finish, where just a millisecond after the service contact, the elbow and hand is still above the head of the player, while the racket has gone all the way to point straight down at the ground.
That is what I mean. Maybe the hand doesn't physically slow down it's movement thru it's arc, but the rackethead ACCELLERATE incredibly lots, passing from behind the wrist/elbow all the way thru strikezone and down the other side (frontside), while the wrist/elbow is still at it's apex.
You guys know I'm a homeless person barely qualifying to get 561 a month next month. I'm in the process of applying for SS benes.
If you ever want to discus any of the sports I've played, I'm sure I can detail you to death on most of them, as years playing and delving behind the industry in most of them gives some insight and extra knowledge. Sure, I've dipped momentarily into some sports, like hanggliding, parachuting, and such, but most of what I do, I do full time for a couple of years at least.
My email is LeeDomond@gmail if you don't want to bother other tennis posters.

larry10s
01-05-2011, 10:04 AM
Sorry, I don't have the knowledge, or the ways and means of posting pics.
You've seen the high elbow finish, where just a millisecond after the service contact, the elbow and hand is still above the head of the player, while the racket has gone all the way to point straight down at the ground.
That is what I mean. Maybe the hand doesn't physically slow down it's movement thru it's arc, but the rackethead ACCELLERATE incredibly lots, passing from behind the wrist/elbow all the way thru strikezone and down the other side (frontside), while the wrist/elbow is still at it's apex.
You guys know I'm a homeless person barely qualifying to get 561 a month next month. I'm in the process of applying for SS benes.
If you ever want to discus any of the sports I've played, I'm sure I can detail you to death on most of them, as years playing and delving behind the industry in most of them gives some insight and extra knowledge. Sure, I've dipped momentarily into some sports, like hanggliding, parachuting, and such, but most of what I do, I do full time for a couple of years at least.
My email is LeeDomond@gmail if you don't want to bother other tennis posters.

thanks for the responce LeeD
i know what you were referring to now.

SuperDuy
01-05-2011, 02:25 PM
LeeD did you see this thread

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=362810

back to topic, does this mean you want to slow down the elbow right before or after contact?

kiteboard
01-05-2011, 02:36 PM
He is what he says he is.

SuperDuy
01-05-2011, 03:35 PM
Hey LEed check email.

LeeD
01-05-2011, 03:43 PM
Why? I never do..:cry: