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nadalfan!
12-29-2009, 11:49 AM
Are there any good recovery drinks after workouts that don't break the bank? I'm looking for something that would help me put on some good weight not fat. I did the P90x series but I missed out on the recovery drink. I'm not able to shell out 50 bucks for their drink so is anything else good? I looked at walmart and there is a body fortress one for 15 bucks. Is that good enough?

MomentumGT
12-29-2009, 12:01 PM
A high protein shake with low grams of carbs, ie 1-5g's. To recover quick I drink 3-4 protein shakes a day as meal replacements as it helps rebuild muscles and helps with the soreness. Usually I'm good to go for a hard workout the very next day. Each shake has over 50g's of protein.

-Jon

r2473
12-29-2009, 12:06 PM
Chocolate milk

But, if you insist on wasting your money, there are many magical recovery drinks out there. I've heard that the more you spend the bigger / stronger / faster you will be.

The cool thing about a lot of these recovery drinks is that you can bottle and sell your **** and should be able to get most of your money back (because that is where most of the "magic" ends up).

nadalfan!
12-29-2009, 12:07 PM
A high protein shake with low grams of carbs, ie 1-5g's. To recover quick I drink 3-4 protein shakes a day as meal replacements as it helps rebuild muscles and helps with the soreness. Usually I'm good to go for a hard workout the very next day. Each shake has over 50g's of protein.

-Jon

Thanks for the quick response. The one at walmart has 52 grams of protein and 8 grams carbs. I read on the p90x website that they like a 4:1 carbs to protein ratio. Is that bad or what I should really get? I'm about 140 pounds and I want to put on some muscle to help me get a bit stronger for tennis.

mike53
12-29-2009, 12:16 PM
Is that good enough?

Depends on whether it tastes OK to you. I use Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard Whey but I haven't tried Body Fortress. Both can be had for a good price. I mix it straight up. No need to overspend.

nadalfan!
12-29-2009, 12:36 PM
Depends on whether it tastes OK to you. I use Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard Whey but I haven't tried Body Fortress. Both can be had for a good price. I mix it straight up. No need to overspend.

That is true. I'm not looking too much for good taste but I also don't want to feel like throwing up after each time I drink it. So would the body fortress work?

mike53
12-29-2009, 01:31 PM
It would work fine for me. It's low carb because it is sweetened with sucrulose. It also contains some creatine which I would consider a plus.

MomentumGT
12-29-2009, 05:59 PM
Thanks for the quick response. The one at walmart has 52 grams of protein and 8 grams carbs. I read on the p90x website that they like a 4:1 carbs to protein ratio. Is that bad or what I should really get? I'm about 140 pounds and I want to put on some muscle to help me get a bit stronger for tennis.

What is recommended, by some of the guys at the gym and some pro bodybuilders, is to take a pre-workout shake high in protein (52g's is actually pretty good) with a decent amount of carbs (8-15g's) and also immediately after your hard workout. As you go through the day your next protein shakes/meal replacement drinks you are going to keep the same amount of protein but dial down the carbs. This all depends on what you are really trying to do. If you want to build some mass and get lean lower the carbs down to 8g's per shake or less.

Don't worry you won't get bodybuilder huge unless you are taking some sort of testosterone booster, roids, or HGH. Rule of thumb if you want to gain some serious mass is 1-1.5g's of protein per 1lbs of body weight.

-Jon

MomentumGT
12-29-2009, 06:01 PM
That is true. I'm not looking too much for good taste but I also don't want to feel like throwing up after each time I drink it. So would the body fortress work?

Milk helped with the taste when I used the Body Fortress. Even with 2 scoops with water its still has a watery texture not like an actual shake. You're 140 so I wouldn't worry too much about the fat associated with milk just stay off the junk as that can dramatically slow your progress.

-Jon

Carlito
12-29-2009, 06:58 PM
Chocolate milk

But, if you insist on wasting your money, there are many magical recovery drinks out there. I've heard that the more you spend the bigger / stronger / faster you will be.

The cool thing about a lot of these recovery drinks is that you can bottle and sell your **** and should be able to get most of your money back (because that is where most of the "magic" ends up).

I did hear chocolate milk was good. But I found some chocolate SOY milk at the store and I think its pretty good. Its high in protein and pretty healthy. I drink it before and after matches.

ebrainsoft
12-29-2009, 07:00 PM
Chocolate milk works best for me.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/24/health/webmd/main1342839.shtml

MomentumGT
12-30-2009, 11:29 AM
I did hear chocolate milk was good. But I found some chocolate SOY milk at the store and I think its pretty good. Its high in protein and pretty healthy. I drink it before and after matches.

Careful with the soy as it is considered (by some bodybuilding websites) as not a complete protein and can up the estrogen levels in males resulting in 'man-boobs'. I think the guys from t-muscle claim that, but true or not the whole thing of having man-boobs is good enough for me not to drink it. LOL.

-Jon

Swagger
12-30-2009, 01:07 PM
Dairy products usually make good recovery substances.

However, after a good workout, and some research on body building websites, I read it's not safe to drink plenty of milk within a workout. To get my protein, I use EAS Chocolate Whey Protein (2 scoops), About a cup of water, 4 ice cubes, and 2 tablespoons of Chocolate Nesquik.

If you plan on drinking just chocolate milk, that's just as good. A whey protein shake based on milk instead of water can be bad.

SuperFly
12-30-2009, 01:24 PM
During a workout, drink water or gatorade, powerade, etc. About after 10 mins after the workout, drink some chocolate milk.

MomentumGT
12-30-2009, 04:54 PM
However, after a good workout, and some research on body building websites, I read it's not safe to drink plenty of milk within a workout.

If you plan on drinking just chocolate milk, that's just as good. A whey protein shake based on milk instead of water can be bad.

Explain why milk is bad with a protein shake or post the source if you don't want to type all the info out. Only down side I know about would be a higher calorie and fat count and or if the user is lactose intolerant or allergic to milk or dairy.

-Jon

tribunal4555
12-30-2009, 06:09 PM
Wait, so do we want a 4-1 carbohydrates to protein ratio? or 4-1 protein to carbs? Doesn't chocolate milk have high carbohydrates and lower proteins???

Swagger
12-30-2009, 06:59 PM
Explain why milk is bad with a protein shake or post the source if you don't want to type all the info out. Only down side I know about would be a higher calorie and fat count and or if the user is lactose intolerant or allergic to milk or dairy.

-Jon

http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/supplements/4199-whey-dairy.html

This is where I got my notion.

pmacino
12-30-2009, 07:01 PM
I've done both and it depends on the type of workout you did and what your goals are.

If you go anaerobic, you'll want to grab some high glycemic carbs (sucrose, i.e. sugar), not fructose, post workout. It will shuttle away lactic acid. Also grab some blueberries or goji berries to load up on anti-oxidents. Check this out...it will explain everything and why "when" you consume is as important as what. It's spot on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_exercise

If you are trying to build mass, combine some protein + high glycemic carbs post workout. Again, you'll want to use hi-glycemic carbs like (sucrose, i.e. sugar), not fructose. The reason for this is that a high glycemic carb will raise your natural insulin, which combined with the protein will build muscle. The best source of sucrose is good old PURE grape juice, which is not from concentrate. This is important, juice from concentrate is usually about 10% juice.

Standupnfall
12-31-2009, 01:07 PM
Amino Vital available a g n c is awesome for before during and after, Just one bottle though. With lots of water!

About an hour before I drink some chocolate milk with protein and a banana.
Chicken and lots of water within 30 min after

SystemicAnomaly
01-01-2010, 12:19 PM
http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/supplements/4199-whey-dairy.html

This is where I got my notion.

The post identified is somewhat ironic. That information is from a member who was banned from those particular forums. The guy does not appear to be a recognized expert & I have detected some flaws in the information that he has provided.

It is probably true for many, but not most, people that lactase production is diminished or halted after early childhood. This is true for many Asian people, particularly those who stop drinking milk after the age of 2 or 3. On the other hand, many adults still produce enough lactase to digest milk protein. The levels or lactase & renin may decline somewhat as we age but, except for lactose-intolerant individuals, the levels are still high enough to digest some milk protein.

The poster identifies casein as an "element in milk" but fails to identify casein as a protein. It makes up nearly 80% of the protein in cow's milk whereas whey protein accounts for about 20%. Note that whey protein is rather unique in that it is assimilated by our body very rapidly. Most other protein takes hours to digest & assimilate. This is true of milk (casein) protein and egg protein. Some sources suggest that it is best to include protein that is assimilated quickly, whey, as well as protein that provide a more sustained source of amino acids, such as egg or milk proteins.
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stanfordtennis alum
01-01-2010, 08:00 PM
i highly recommend you try this:
http://www.hammernutrition.com/za/HNT?PAGE=PRODUCT&CAT=REC&PROD.ID=4051&OMI=10140,10082,10047&AMI=10140

Storm_Kyori
01-01-2010, 08:27 PM
here is that "fluid" i keep hearing the pros use.

http://img.runningwarehouse.com/ProductImages/FLUIDBT.JPG

stanfordtennis alum
01-01-2010, 08:30 PM
here is that "fluid" i keep hearing the pros use.

http://img.runningwarehouse.com/ProductImages/FLUIDBT.JPG

where can you buy this?

Fedace
01-01-2010, 08:30 PM
some recovery drinks give you bad diarrhea....

Meaghan
01-02-2010, 01:54 AM
I find a large glass of red wine hits the spot, relaxes the muscles and gets my body prepared for another hard day in bed !!

SystemicAnomaly
01-02-2010, 03:46 AM
http://www.bodybuildingdungeon.com/forums/supplements/4199-whey-dairy.html

This is where I got my notion.

The post identified is somewhat ironic. That information is from a member who was banned from those particular forums. The guy does not appear to be a recognized expert & I have detected some flaws in the information that he has provided.

It is probably true for many, but not most, people that lactase production is diminished or halted after early childhood. This is true for many Asian people, particularly those who stop drinking milk after the age of 2 or 3. On the other hand, many adults still produce enough lactase to digest milk protein. The levels or lactase & renin may decline somewhat as we age but, except for lactose-intolerant individuals, the levels are still high enough to digest some milk protein.

The poster identifies casein as an "element in milk" but fails to identify casein as a protein. It makes up nearly 80% of the protein in cow's milk whereas whey protein accounts for about 20%. Note that whey protein is rather unique in that it is assimilated by our body very rapidly. Most other protein takes hours to digest & assimilate. This is true of milk (casein) protein and egg protein. Some sources suggest that it is best to include protein that is assimilated quickly, whey, as well as protein that provide a more sustained source of amino acids, such as egg or milk proteins.

The poster actually makes some good points. It was not my intent to dismiss everything he had to say. My own bias is to first take the faster-acting, pure whey isolate (with water) shortly after a workout. After 15 minutes or so after the whey protein, I'll ingest a slower-acting protein source such as egg protein or casein (milk) protein.
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nadalfan!
01-02-2010, 12:15 PM
I'm finding some good deals on isopure. I asked a coach and he gave me a bottle of isopure with 40g of protein and zero carbs. He said the body fortress is alright but he recommends isopure. I'm lookin it up and there are some great deals on some websites.

SystemicAnomaly
01-02-2010, 09:56 PM
I'm finding some good deals on isopure. I asked a coach and he gave me a bottle of isopure with 40g of protein and zero carbs. He said the body fortress is alright but he recommends isopure. I'm lookin it up and there are some great deals on some websites.

For good prices on a decent whey isolate product with almost no carbs, try looking for the following:

nowfoods.com/Products/ProductsbyCategory/Category/M002795.htm (http://nowfoods.com/Products/ProductsbyCategory/Category/M002795.htm)

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maverick66
01-02-2010, 10:20 PM
I'm finding some good deals on isopure. I asked a coach and he gave me a bottle of isopure with 40g of protein and zero carbs. He said the body fortress is alright but he recommends isopure. I'm lookin it up and there are some great deals on some websites.

I used to use that protein brand and it was one of the only ones that dont have you sitting on a toilet in 5 mins. Didnt taste to bad either.

Power Player
01-04-2010, 12:24 PM
Here is mine if you wan to go all natural :

Chocolate Milk
Fat Free Yogurt
Large scoop of natural Peanut Butter
Chopped bananas
Strawberries
1 packet of splenda

Blend and enjoy. Keeps you healthy.

nadalfan!
01-06-2010, 07:07 PM
I ended up getting a 3 lb. tub of isopure. It has 0g carbs, 1g fat, and 50g protein! I got a good discounted price but still pricey nonetheless. I just have one question. I don't think I blended it together correctly because it didn't taste like one that is premade in the clear, glass bottles. It was very foamy and didn't taste similar to a grape one that someone gave me. Did I put too much powder? Btw I put 2 scoops like on the nutrition facts.

maverick66
01-06-2010, 11:22 PM
The bottled drinks and the powder are different. At least they taste and look different I dont know the nutrition of them off the top of my head. The powder is what i used and it tasted similar to all the other powders i tried but was much easier on the stomach.

nadalfan!
01-07-2010, 12:16 PM
The bottled drinks and the powder are different. At least they taste and look different I dont know the nutrition of them off the top of my head. The powder is what i used and it tasted similar to all the other powders i tried but was much easier on the stomach.

I didn't throw it up or anything I was just wondering if it was supposed to be/taste like that? Did I do anything wrong? I'm going to try to lower the speed of the blender a bit...

mike53
01-07-2010, 01:48 PM
Don't worry, you'll get used to it. There's not really much you can do wrong. Seriously, you can't expect the manufacturer to let you mix up stuff that tastes as good as their bottled product.

nadalfan!
01-07-2010, 06:13 PM
I just realized this when I made my one today. I put 20 oz of water instead of the 12 oz that it said to put in. It tasted more flavory and not too bad actually. I got the apple melon flavor! :)

zettabyte
01-07-2010, 06:44 PM
I've been doing chocolate milk after workouts and matches and have had great success with it.

There's plenty of science behind it, and my soreness and recovery time have decreased dramaticlly.

FWIW

sruckauf
01-09-2010, 08:36 PM
here is that "fluid" i keep hearing the pros use.

http://img.runningwarehouse.com/ProductImages/FLUIDBT.JPG

Yep. My good friend is a pro triathlete, and she's sponsored by Fluid. It's the real deal.

SystemicAnomaly
01-09-2010, 08:37 PM
I've been doing chocolate milk after workouts and matches and have had great success with it.

There's plenty of science behind it, and my soreness and recovery time have decreased dramatically...

I'll have to give the chocolate milk idea a try. However, it dismays me that most choc milk contains quite a bit of high-fructose corn syrup. The natural sugar (lactose) content of whole cow's milk is about 12 gm per cup. The added sugar included in choc milk more than doubles the sugar content of milk. Even the higher priced (organic) milk contains a lot of added sugar (the sucrose added is only slightly less objectionable than HFCS in regular choc milk).

Anyone find a brand of choc milk with less sucrose or HFCS?

Talker
01-09-2010, 09:38 PM
I use to use after weights/treadmill.

On gold whey (a scoop and a 1/2, about 40 grams), 5 grams glutamine and mix with 1/2 water and 1/2 gatorade.

After an half hour 40-50 grams casein protein with water or juice. This is long lasting protein(slow digesting) that should feed the muscles for hours.

Storm_Kyori
01-09-2010, 09:59 PM
Yep My good friend is a pro triathlete, and she's sponsored by Fluid. It's the real deal.

I heard from some runners & cyclists around here that it really works. I was thinking of buying some only from Fluid, but the price is cheaper, btu adding taxes and shipping, it will cost the same as getting it at the store by my church.

where can you buy this?

just saw this sorry, from running warehouse