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morten
04-24-2005, 05:06 AM
Starts in 20 mins,cant wait

driger
04-24-2005, 05:44 AM
give some updates.

morten
04-24-2005, 06:06 AM
2-1 nadal,on serve. cant figure out Nadal.. seems he has no real gameplan.And his shots dont look as penetrating as say good old Berasategui or Muster.

Zeta
04-24-2005, 06:19 AM
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dozu
04-24-2005, 06:30 AM
I really hope Ferrero can come back to top form.... maybe not there yet.

morten
04-24-2005, 06:34 AM
6-1 Nadal.. not too exiting set.

Zeta
04-24-2005, 06:36 AM
45 min to win 6-1 first set. Nadal seems too good for Mosquito right now...

morten
04-24-2005, 06:39 AM
Nadal hits a lot to the middle of the court,taking away the angles for Ferrero

gugafanatic
04-24-2005, 06:47 AM
where is vamosrafa???? i assume watching and enjoying Nadals domination

morten
04-24-2005, 06:53 AM
gugafanatic..Guga would beat Rafa...

morten
04-24-2005, 06:53 AM
in form Guga i must add..

morten
04-24-2005, 07:01 AM
Nadal is quite boring imo...

mach1
04-24-2005, 07:02 AM
3-1 Ferrero second set with Fererro serving.

mach1
04-24-2005, 07:03 AM
3-2 ferrero. on serve now.

gugafanatic
04-24-2005, 07:07 AM
gugafanatic..Guga would beat Rafa...

In-form Guga can beat any player on clay. Guga is impoving physically and is playing without pain. I think he is one of the few clay courters with a big serve.

dAgEnIuS
04-24-2005, 07:11 AM
noooo....
ferrero missed two break point chances....

gugafanatic
04-24-2005, 07:14 AM
Just had a look at the stats and Nadal has served 4 aces to JCF 1. I really thought Ferrero had a bigger serve?

dAgEnIuS
04-24-2005, 07:38 AM
2nd set goes to a tiebreak...

gugafanatic
04-24-2005, 07:38 AM
Second Set TB!! UPDATES if possible

If Nadal wins this second set, then no chance for ferrero.

gustavo33
04-24-2005, 07:40 AM
nadal 2 - 1 in the TB
ferrero serving

gugafanatic
04-24-2005, 07:42 AM
gustavo33 are you also a guga fan?? u brazilian

gustavo33
04-24-2005, 07:42 AM
im brazilian.. and my name is gustavo.. so :D

gustavo33
04-24-2005, 07:44 AM
ferrero serving 2 - 5 in the TB

gugafanatic
04-24-2005, 07:44 AM
Is Guga bigger then Ronaldo and Ronaldhino in Brazil?? Have people lost their faith in him after the hip injuries

gustavo33
04-24-2005, 07:45 AM
he was bigger...now, things are a bit confused.. some people have faith that he will be a top 20 player again since he doesnt feel any more pain... and the majority think hes done...

efice32
04-24-2005, 07:48 AM
Nadal takes second set 6-4 in the tiebreak and leads 6-1, 7-6(4)

gugafanatic
04-24-2005, 07:49 AM
game over!!

gustavo33
04-24-2005, 07:50 AM
nadal is taking the next week to rest.. good choice IMO...
getting ready to rome
he must be really tired after miami, monte carlo and barcelona...

efice32
04-24-2005, 07:51 AM
stupid question:is this final is best of 3 or best of 5?



Edit: they're playing the third set so it's best of 5, sorry for wasting space.

dAgEnIuS
04-24-2005, 07:52 AM
game over!!
this is a best out of 5 match...
so ferrero just have to do what federer did in miami and win 3 straight sets...
vamos Ferrero!!

efice32
04-24-2005, 07:57 AM
nadal's pushed to 2 deuces, but holds for 1-0 in the 3rd

gustavo33
04-24-2005, 07:57 AM
its not that simple...
and ferrero is no federer...
id like to see him beat nadal.. but its not looking very good
1-0 nadal in the 3rd

efice32
04-24-2005, 07:59 AM
doubtful that ferrero can pull off a federer-like comeback against Rafa. Also, Federer made his comeback on hardcourt, I'd like to see Federer be faced with that exact situation on clay and see who wins...

gustavo33
04-24-2005, 07:59 AM
nadal winning 74% points on 1st serve is quite impressive to me.

gustavo33
04-24-2005, 08:00 AM
nadal breaks
2-0

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:01 AM
he's only had to serve 20 second serves in 2 sets and a few games! that's amazing. Another key stat is JCF having 5 double faults to Nadal's 1.

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:03 AM
Quick hold at love for Nadal
3-0

VAMOS!!!

gustavo33
04-24-2005, 08:04 AM
and nadal also has 5 aces against 1 to JCF

looks like his serve is improving

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 08:09 AM
break point for 4-0, goodnight ferrero

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:10 AM
Nadal had a break point, but JCF held for 1-3

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:12 AM
0-40 on Nadal's serve...Comeback????

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 08:13 AM
wow 0-40 on nadals serve, ferrero can now get back on serve

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:14 AM
got it back to 30-40

gustavo33
04-24-2005, 08:14 AM
30-40
one more chance

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:15 AM
Deuce!!! Vaaaaamoooss!!!!!

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 08:15 AM
ferrero chokes them all away

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:16 AM
indeed he did. JCF's not totally done though, Advantage Ferrero (4th breakpoint of this game).

verdasco67
04-24-2005, 08:17 AM
ferrero has had so many break points but he somehow cant win them!!!

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:17 AM
Deuce once again

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:18 AM
advantage Nadal

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:19 AM
and yet another deuce

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:19 AM
advantage nadal once more

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 08:20 AM
and yet another ad nadal

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:20 AM
woohoo, i posted something accidentally so now it says this random phrase

gustavo33
04-24-2005, 08:21 AM
according to eurosport:
18:15 WHAT A SHOT!!!!! NADAL SAVES THE BREAK POINT WITH AN ABSOLUTE CANONBALL ON THE FOREHAND!!! FERRERO IS DISGUTED!!!

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 08:22 AM
deuce at 3-1 again

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:23 AM
anyone know why TTC is showing Badminton over this? I know they'll show it later but why not live?

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 08:25 AM
wow yet another deuce, how many is that?

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:25 AM
1 more breakpoint for JCF

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:26 AM
who's counting? but that's gotta be a lot

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:27 AM
nadal holds for 4-1 ( i mean it this time )

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 08:28 AM
nadal finally holds

35ft6
04-24-2005, 08:28 AM
anyone know why TTC is showing Badminton over this? I know they'll show it later but why not live? Why does the TTC EVER show badminton... and squash... and racketball? Show some more college matches! Show some international junior tournaments! Show some old Lendl matches!

They should have a show of pro practicing. Not a heavily edited show of a pro talking for 10 minutes, then showing him one forehand, then 10 more minutes of talking. I'm talking very little editing, just show them practicing for 30 minutes.

There are so many ideas yet to be explored. Tennis-centric programming is in its infancy. I see no reason why they don't have an over abundance of shows to air. I'm sure they can negotiate very favorable broadcasting deals. Ugh.

I'll go off on a TTC programming rant with the slightest of provocations. Beware.

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 08:29 AM
lol u just knew it was coming before because ferrero is such a choker

Fea14
04-24-2005, 08:31 AM
lol u just knew it was coming before because ferrero is such a choker

In fairness, he hasn't really been in this position since 2003. This is his chance to get back in the winners circle and prove alot of people wrong.

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:32 AM
35ft6 : I agree completely. It is, after all, The TENNIS Channel, not the Racket Sport Channel. Things like racketball, badminton, squash, etc. are not tennis, therefore The TENNIS Channel should not cover them.

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 08:32 AM
yeah he hasnt really had a chance to choke recently, but throughout his career he definitely has. Costa vs. Ferrero FO final, need i say more.

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:33 AM
ferrero holds for 2-4

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 08:36 AM
5-2 the end is near

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:36 AM
Nadal holds
5-2

Say hello to your second winner's trophy in a row Rafa

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:40 AM
JCF holds. Nadal's serving for the title.

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 08:40 AM
5-3 last chance here for ferrero to break

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 08:43 AM
match point nadal

gustavo33
04-24-2005, 08:44 AM
game set and match nadal
new number 7 in the world

dr.habanero
04-24-2005, 08:44 AM
Rafa wins it VAMOS!

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:44 AM
GAME, Set, MATCH, and CHAMPIONSHIP...NADAL!!!! VAAAAMOOOSS!!!!!!

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 08:44 AM
nadal wins it, hes looking tough to beat on clay

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:46 AM
I can't think of anyone who can beat him on clay. Soon to be FO Champ??????

bamboo
04-24-2005, 08:46 AM
Nadal, like his fellow Bab endorser Roddick, is annoying but unlike Roddick has a complete game. Of couse Roddick can win against Melzer and Grosjean but while Nadal is even money against the field in France Roddick will lose 1st or 2nd round.

thebigidiot
04-24-2005, 08:48 AM
now will he win the doubles title too?

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 08:54 AM
i do not think nadal has a complete game. his net game is ver average or maybe worse. his backhand is much improved but not as good as many top players'. he wins with speed endurance and his forehand, thats one shot and good conditioning, not a complete game.

efice32
04-24-2005, 08:54 AM
bamboo: I agree with you. Roddick has the game to win on the hardcou---er claycourts of Houston, but he will probably be ousted in the early rounds by another random guy who's only surface is clay (i.e. Olivier Mutis). In constrast, Nadal can and possibly will win the French Open because no one can beat him on clay. Nadal's claycourt season is looking just like Guillermo Coria's from last year. We all know how his FO turned out.

counterpunch: I think that Nadal has an almost complete game. He's got speed, forehand, backhand, feel, spins, and almost everything you need to be successful on the pro level. In my mind, there are two things that Nadal is lacking: 1. Serve. Nadal's serve is avaerage at best and has the tipical claycourter mentality, just start the point. The only thing wrong with that philosophy is that in today's game, the serve can be used as a weapon, and those who choose not to do so will be a cut below the top. 2. Net Game. While Nadal's volleys are decent, they are not good enough to possibly play a S-V game as a plan B or C. If he wants to win Wimbledon as he claims, then he will need to add more variety to his game so that when his tipical baseline game isn't working for some reason, he has something decent to fall back on. This, IMO, is why Andy Roddick hasn't been able to challenge the top 3 players (Safin, Hewitt, Federer). He tries to blow them off of the court fromt he baseline and you just can't do that against players of this calibur (sp?). I'd also like to see Roddick add some variety to his game. If these things can happen then beware of Roddick and Nadal as multi-slam winners.

35ft6
04-24-2005, 08:54 AM
35ft6 : I agree completely. It is, after all, The TENNIS Channel, not the Racket Sport Channel. Things like racketball, badminton, squash, etc. are not tennis, therefore The TENNIS Channel should not cover them. I grudgingly make a minor exception for ping pong, because, after all, it's table tennis. And I sort of like it. But, yeah, showing squash on TTC is like showing 4 hours of croquet on The Golf Channel. A crime.

I sent TTC my application about a year ago. Maybe it's time to send it again.

35ft6
04-24-2005, 09:02 AM
i do not think nadal has a complete game. his net game is ver average or maybe worse. his backhand is much improved but not as good as many top players'. he wins with speed endurance and his forehand, thats one shot and good conditioning, not a complete game. But average for his age is a good sign. He's done very well in doubles, and I actually see no reason to believe his net game won't improve with time. Technique-wise, his volleys are relatively sound. Much better than Roddick's slicey/choppy Ginsu volleys.

And I noticed that in his match against Federer, his backhand is actually pretty good. He can hit preemptive winners off that side, and he can do a lot more than just merely keep it in play (again, in contrast to Roddick's "just keep it in play" backhand...). It may look average in comparison to his nasty forehand, but it's very solid.

His serve on the other hand, I don't know if his technique is going to allow him to ever develop a bomb. And as he gets older, not winning those precious easy points with the first serve is going to hurt him. Really, his game style has a really short shelf live. Him being 18 really helps. I don't know how he can sustain that energy level. He's basically a one man swarm out there, just suffocating his opponents with relentless forehand body shots. I remember people wondering if Roddick's body was going to hold up in the same way, because he plays a high energy, whippy game, too, but Roddick wins so many easy points and games with that serve of his.

efice32
04-24-2005, 09:11 AM
35ft6: I'll have to disagree with you on the aspect of Nadal's technique on serve. His mentor Carlos Moya has sort of passed this service motion on to Rafael (has anyone else noticed how similar their service motions are?). Anyway, Moya has a very reliable serve and he can bring the heat if desired. Them having very similar service motions leads me to believe that Nadal can potentially have a serve as good as Moya's. The built-in advantage the Nadal has on serve is that he's left-handed. If he can get his serve as good as Moya's and also develop his lefty-kick outwide in the ad-court, then he would be terrifying to have to play against.

VamosRafa
04-24-2005, 09:58 AM
where is vamosrafa???? i assume watching and enjoying Nadals domination

hehehe I'm a bit shell-shocked. I never, ever would have guessed that when Rafa made his breakthrough, it would be like this. I need the time off more than Rafa does at this point. I told the folks at the site that if he takes a wildcard into Estoril, the new No. 7 is history. *lol*

That won't happen, though. Folks who were watching the match say that Rafa was very tired in the third set. If he hadn't pulled that one out, or if he had lost the second set TB, the match could have changed swiftly. Ferrero was sensing that. On the other hand, Rafa apparently pulled out all teh stops and made some great winners to hold on to that third set.

I don't know how he's going to make it throught the doubles match. Lopez may have to carry the team, instead of the other way around. *lol*

Must be nice to be 18! Apparently when he got to Barcelona, the officials asked him if he wanted to withdraw from doubles given how much he had played in Monte Carlo. He responded, "Are you crazy?"

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 10:58 AM
But average for his age is a good sign. He's done very well in doubles, and I actually see no reason to believe his net game won't improve with time. Technique-wise, his volleys are relatively sound. Much better than Roddick's slicey/choppy Ginsu volleys.

And I noticed that in his match against Federer, his backhand is actually pretty good. He can hit preemptive winners off that side, and he can do a lot more than just merely keep it in play (again, in contrast to Roddick's "just keep it in play" backhand...). It may look average in comparison to his nasty forehand, but it's very solid.

His serve on the other hand, I don't know if his technique is going to allow him to ever develop a bomb. And as he gets older, not winning those precious easy points with the first serve is going to hurt him. Really, his game style has a really short shelf live. Him being 18 really helps. I don't know how he can sustain that energy level. He's basically a one man swarm out there, just suffocating his opponents with relentless forehand body shots. I remember people wondering if Roddick's body was going to hold up in the same way, because he plays a high energy, whippy game, too, but Roddick wins so many easy points and games with that serve of his.

so basically your saying he has a complete game but he lacks multiple components. doesnt really sound complete to me. and i never said that he never would develop a complete game, he will improve, but i never see him having success on grass.

VamosRafa
04-24-2005, 11:22 AM
so basically your saying he has a complete game but he lacks multiple components. doesnt really sound complete to me. and i never said that he never would develop a complete game, he will improve, but i never see him having success on grass.

The difference may be Rafa's own motivation to conquer grass. This is from a new article:

Clay is the natural playing surface for a youngster brought up in the town of Manacor, on the island of Mallorca , but Nadal insists his main Grand Slam target is Wimbledon, which has only once been won by a Spaniard, Manuel Santana in 1966, not only because it is the world's No 1 event but also because of the challenge it presents. "I want to do well on grass because it is a very special surface, so different to all the others," he said. "Not many players from Spain have done well there, so that is an extra motivation for me."

On his Wimbledon debut in 2003, Rafa defeated Tim Henman's nemesis, Mario Ancic, and then Britain's Lee Childs to become, at 17 years and three weeks, the youngest to reach the third round since the 16-year-old Boris Becker in 1984.

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 11:59 AM
it doesnt matter how much he says he wants to win it, of course, any player wants to win a grand slam, but i just dont see him having great success with an average serve average volleys and loopy topspin groundstrokes.

efice32
04-24-2005, 12:02 PM
loopy topspin groundstrokes can work on grass. Just look at Andy Roddick. He's had great success on grass with loopy groundstrokes.

35ft6
04-24-2005, 12:12 PM
so basically your saying he has a complete game but he lacks multiple components. doesnt really sound complete to me. and i never said that he never would develop a complete game, he will improve, but i never see him having success on grass. I don't remember saying he had a complete game. I was using your comments about his backhand and volleys as an excuse to jump into my own stream of thought. Is he a complete player? No. But, then again, I only really consider Federer a complete player.

Will he ever develop a complete game? IMO, except for his serve, I don't think he possesses any glaring technical problems to limit him but for his serve, which I don't think will ever be a consistent preemptive weapon. But I could see him developing his serve into a Rios-type delivery, using variety and placement to serve BIGGER than his pace might suggest.

And everybody already knows this, but the tournament Nadal most wants to win is Wimbledon.

counterpunch
04-24-2005, 04:26 PM
loopy topspin groundstrokes can work on grass. Just look at Andy Roddick. He's had great success on grass with loopy groundstrokes.
Roddick has tremendous racquet head speed that somewhat makes up for the longer stroke. But most of his success is a result of his serve, he gets tons of cheap points. Nadal will have to win most of the points with his groundstokes, Roddick only needs to win some.

efice32
04-24-2005, 06:26 PM
Point taken. However Nadal also has tremendous racket head speed on his forehand which is why he can hit with so much topspin.

VamosRafa
04-24-2005, 06:26 PM
it doesnt matter how much he says he wants to win it, of course, any player wants to win a grand slam, but i just dont see him having great success with an average serve average volleys and loopy topspin groundstrokes.

Some people aren't underestimating Rafa's determination and abilities. Al Costa just said, ""Rafa is in another world. He is able to aspire to whatever he wants and he will probably get it."

And even more praise: The Spanish greats concur. Manuel Orantes predicts Nadal will become the best-ever Spaniard, Santana says he is "an authentic phenomenon" and Andres Gimeno, French Open champion of 1972, is certain Nadal will be the world No 1 within a year.

Now, I'm not saying they are right; that's what they are saying. And Nadal himself is much more reserved about his chances.

edge
04-24-2005, 07:26 PM
loopy topspin groundstrokes can work on grass. Just look at Andy Roddick. He's had great success on grass with loopy groundstrokes.

Huh? Roddick's groundstrokes are NOT loopy/ He stings his forehand. Rafa's goundies are loopy. Can't you see the difference? The problem for Rafa on grass is that the ball skids low for his extreme western grip FH.

VamosRafa
04-24-2005, 07:37 PM
The secret to Rafa's success as revealed after the match:

``I was a bit tired, I have to recognize it, but I'm delighted,'' Nadal said. ``You want to know my secret? Work with humility and never make do with what you've got. Always want more.''

Superior_Forehand
04-24-2005, 09:41 PM
God, I cant imagine Nadal as #1. C'mon Federer!!

Superior_Forehand
04-24-2005, 09:41 PM
"Work with humility and never make do with what you've got. Always want more" That is a great quote though.

devila
04-24-2005, 10:42 PM
LMAO I'd rather see Nadal than Federer.
Nadal choked in Miami precisely because his volleys and serve are not technically sound. He collapsed after leading in the Australian Open, just like Roddick.
Nadal had fitness problems after putting so much effort into everything.
Roddick lacked much desire to prepare and win, ever since he was a child.

Superior_Forehand
04-25-2005, 10:07 AM
Maybe we can look foward to a "Agassi-Sampras" type rivalry between Nadal and Federer.