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tennis005
01-09-2010, 07:50 PM
What are the rarest classic rackets today?

teachingprotx
01-09-2010, 08:19 PM
Volkl T9 30
:)

Virginia
01-09-2010, 08:22 PM
Nice question! Judging by the price I paid for it, the Slazenger Vilas Pro would be up there.

Other frames in contention might be the Puma Boris Becker Winner - I haven't seen too many of those floating around - and a first generation Prestige Pro would surely qualify.

Then there's the GTX Pro - I'm still waiting for a miracle bargain to drop into my lap! :evil:

teachingprotx
01-09-2010, 08:34 PM
Virginia will you adopt me!!!! :)

ericsson
01-09-2010, 11:49 PM
Definately Lacoste Equijet, Kneissl Super Vario, Snauwaert Hi ten, Volkl Zebra, Puma G.Vilas and many more...

BigMac
01-10-2010, 12:19 AM
Dunlop Max 200g

Virginia
01-10-2010, 12:55 AM
Definately Lacoste Equijet, Kneissl Super Vario, Snauwaert Hi ten, Volkl Zebra, Puma G.Vilas and many more...
I knew you'd come to the fore with some real beauties! BTW isn't the puma G Vilas the forerunner of the BB Winner and in fact the same frame renamed for Boris?

galain
01-10-2010, 03:41 AM
I'll second the Lacoste Equijets and the Hi Tens. The Equijets are out there but at crazy asking prices - the Hi Tens - I've only ever seen one come up for auction in about 12 years of looking.

That Le Coq TCM that Jimbo posted - the midsized wood - that's another set of chicken lips entirely I think!

schu47
01-10-2010, 05:33 AM
All of the above, plus Wilson Javelin 95, various Mad Raq models, Hazel Streamline.

Like Virginia, I'm still waiting for miracle bargains, too, like a pristine Volkl Zebra to show up at a local thrift store. I'm sure that will happen any day now. :)

jimbo333
01-10-2010, 05:44 AM
I knew you'd come to the fore with some real beauties! BTW isn't the puma G Vilas the forerunner of the BB Winner and in fact the same frame renamed for Boris?

Well Boris used the Puma G.Vilas, and then used it with a Puma Winner paintjob. He then used a Puma Super, which was exactly the same racquet as the Puma G.Vilas:)

Boris didn't actually use the Winner, but only a paintjob of it!

pshulam
01-10-2010, 07:57 AM
Dunlop Max 200g
Not that rare. You can still find it from TT and the auction site.

mctennis
01-10-2010, 09:22 AM
This is a great thread. I've forgotten about a lot of these racquets.

nickynu
01-10-2010, 09:38 AM
I have a mate who wants to sell his oversize mad raq for $140. Is that a reasonable price?.

I actually gave away some original orange/grey Donnay pro No1 a few years back. Now repeat after me Nickynu is an idiot.

Mick
01-10-2010, 09:41 AM
Not that rare. You can still find it from TT and the auction site.

it is rare if it is a brand new, unused one.

tennis005
01-10-2010, 09:45 AM
I see alot of people talking about classic rackets but have always wanted to know what were the hardest for collectors to find.

schu47
01-10-2010, 12:30 PM
I have a mate who wants to sell his oversize mad raq for $140. Is that a reasonable price?.

I actually gave away some original orange/grey Donnay pro No1 a few years back. Now repeat after me Nickynu is an idiot.

I think $140 may be a bit steep for a Mad Raq. I've seen them go for anywhere from $70 to a little more than $100.

As for your orange/grey Donnay, you're only an idiot in hindsight. If only we all knew what was going to be valuable someday.

morten
01-10-2010, 12:39 PM
Rossignols....

vwfye
01-10-2010, 01:38 PM
PK-- Pro Boron...

nickynu
01-10-2010, 02:42 PM
Nice question! Judging by the price I paid for it, the Slazenger Vilas Pro would be up there.



Dare we ask the kind of figure paid ? Ballpark is ok if you dont want to say?

nickynu
01-10-2010, 02:44 PM
I think $140 may be a bit steep for a Mad Raq. I've seen them go for anywhere from $70 to a little more than $100.

As for your orange/grey Donnay, you're only an idiot in hindsight. If only we all knew what was going to be valuable someday.

Thanks thats got a great ring to it I like the idea of being only an idiot in hindsight . LOL

tennis005
01-10-2010, 07:35 PM
I think I have the rarest racket ever. Check 80's tennis .com, go to oddish racquets, scroll till you hit the last pictures. Mine is the weird Chinese racket. I bet no one else in the world has it, well, maybe one or two.

jimbo333
01-11-2010, 01:51 AM
I think I have the rarest racket ever. Check 80's tennis .com, go to oddish racquets, scroll till you hit the last pictures. Mine is the weird Chinese racket. I bet no one else in the world has it, well, maybe one or two.

Like I said before, that Aeroplane racquet design will never take off:)

tennis005
01-11-2010, 06:49 AM
Nope never did :)

Virginia
01-11-2010, 09:43 AM
Dare we ask the kind of figure paid ? Ballpark is ok if you dont want to say?
I only have it listed in NZ dollars, but it would have been around the US$200 mark - mind you, it's brand new and came in a fabulous case.

jimbo333
01-11-2010, 12:09 PM
I only have it listed in NZ dollars, but it would have been around the US$200 mark - mind you, it's brand new and came in a fabulous case.

Sounds good value for a new one:)

jimbo333
01-11-2010, 12:12 PM
This a very rare one:)

http://i50.tinypic.com/nzrluf.jpg

The "Dunlop Mad Raq", this one has the serial number 0000001!

http://i45.tinypic.com/25k20ly.jpg

jimbo333
01-11-2010, 12:20 PM
And another very rare one, the Donnay Borg Mid:)

http://i49.tinypic.com/nv45qg.jpg

Virginia
01-11-2010, 01:46 PM
This a very rare one:)

http://i50.tinypic.com/nzrluf.jpg

The "Dunlop Mad Raq", this one has the serial number 0000001!
Having that number is indeed special - however my understanding is that this was a cheap knock-off that Dunlop made and not to be compared with the original. I almost bought one, but was warned off it.

racquetfreak
01-11-2010, 02:44 PM
new chicago or st vincent midsize prostaffs -i've seen a few.
new orifiginal, or even 2nd generation, prestige pros - i have not seen any.

jimbo333
01-11-2010, 02:55 PM
Having that number is indeed special - however my understanding is that this was a cheap knock-off that Dunlop made and not to be compared with the original. I almost bought one, but was warned off it.

Yes, it's the serial number that makes it special:)

As for the racquet, I thought it was rare, but yes, it is indeed a copy, a licensed copy though!

I must admit Dunlop is my favourite make of racquet, so I am biased!

jimbo333
01-11-2010, 02:57 PM
new chicago or st vincent midsize prostaffs -i've seen a few.
new orifiginal, or even 2nd generation, prestige pros - i have not seen any.

Yes, as usual you are correct!

(Racquetfreak doesn't say much, but whenever he does, everyone listens:))

Hotrocks
01-11-2010, 03:05 PM
Yes, it's the serial number that makes it special:)

As for the racquet, I thought it was rare, but yes, it is indeed a copy, a licensed copy though!

I must admit Dunlop is my favourite make of racquet, so I am biased!

Jimbo- Since your a Dunlop fan, what are your thoughts on the Muscle Weave95 and Revelation 95(green & gold checkered). I picked up a brand NEW M/Weave 95 and a excellent Revelation 95. I also found a NEW Revelation 95, what is this racquet worth? Thanks.......Dan

jimbo333
01-11-2010, 03:12 PM
Jimbo- Since your a Dunlop fan, what are your thoughts on the Muscle Weave95 and Revelation 95(green & gold checkered). I picked up a brand NEW M/Weave 95 and a excellent Revelation 95. I also found a NEW Revelation 95, what is this racquet worth? Thanks.......Dan

They are both really good racquets:)

I prefer the MW90 to be honest, but the MW95 is great as well!

I also like the Revelation95 (green/gold check). And they are both relatively flexible compared to the very stiff racquets that are around now!

I'd say a new Rev95 is worth about $150, but don't forget I really like Dunlop!

Although after the MW, Dunlop did go downhill I reckon:(

yuth
01-11-2010, 08:58 PM
Hi,

I have no ideas about the rarest racket. I have only rare racquets like a dunlop max100g, ps85 bumperless, prostaff 6.6 (85), dunlop max pro (labeled III). So, I still have no ideas about it.
http://upload.tarad.com/images/4645308368-3.jpg (http://upload.tarad.com)
PS: Bob, I miss you. How are you?

customaus
01-21-2010, 03:58 AM
Rossignol F100 with the small head????
PS 6.0 with the Classic Paint Job????
Hi Ten definetely?
I got head Slazenger Vilas V24 in the rapper havent seen too many around...

Tennis Man
01-21-2010, 08:28 AM
And another very rare one, the Donnay Borg Mid:)

http://i49.tinypic.com/nv45qg.jpg

Jumbo, I don't think this is one is rare. I just gave one for free to someone. Seen lots of them. BTW, they warp like hell. :)

jimbo333
01-21-2010, 03:34 PM
Jumbo, I don't think this is one is rare. I just gave one for free to someone. Seen lots of them. BTW, they warp like hell. :)

I think I'm looking more like Dumbo in this thread:???:

pshulam
01-23-2010, 06:32 AM
I think I'm looking more like Dumbo in this thread:???:

That's funny...

BigMac
01-24-2010, 02:08 AM
Not that rare. You can still find it from TT and the auction site.

If you look at what people pay for them in new or mint condition I think it's pretty rare. There are a new one on the big auction site right now with a Buy It Now price at 1200 USD Not many other racquets cost that much. I know it's not sold jet, but this is not the first one at that money.

tennisgeek1234
01-24-2010, 02:41 AM
How about the original T3000 that was produced by lacoste, I not talking about the Wilson t3000, I talking about the lacoste one.

CollegeBound
01-24-2010, 03:08 AM
the Hi Tens - I've only ever seen one come up for auction in about 12 years of looking.

I had a hit with AndrewD's brother a year or so back and he had 6 Hi-Ten 50s in his racquet bag and another 6 at home. Said he's had another 3 or 4 eventually give out and break since he started using them back when they first came out. I don't remember exactly but I think he said it was around 1988 or 89.

pshulam
01-24-2010, 04:57 AM
If you look at what people pay for them in new or mint condition I think it's pretty rare. There are a new one on the big auction site right now with a Buy It Now price at 1200 USD Not many other racquets cost that much. I know it's not sold jet, but this is not the first one at that money.

Yes, it's crazy what someone would pay for a NEW famous or rare racquet. There is a new Wilson Prostaff 6.0 85, St. Vincent with an asking price of $2,000 U.S.D (120521418208). The seller is a banned member with significant contribution in the classic racquet forum -- apparently in an attempt to get rid a significant portion of his classic collection.

Cesare
02-02-2010, 06:04 PM
i own a white Volkl TCS Top, looks like a Volkl T9, the red one. I think that Chesnokov used this white Volkl in 1987. Great feel, flex 48, weight 328 unstrung, looks like a 90 sq inch. one of the best racquet i ever used, precision, control, feel, and great flat serve.

yuth
02-02-2010, 07:07 PM
I think the prostaff classic 7.0 classic 85 is rarest????

also the vaccum pro in white PJ ???

I really want both of them.

:)

Virginia
02-03-2010, 12:41 AM
How about the original Slazenger Phantom with the double bridge? It was discontinued soon after its release, because it tended to snap at the throat. A beautiful rarity though. Does anyone else have one?

proracketeer
03-01-2010, 12:46 AM
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll303/proracketeer/100_0762.jpg

tennis005
03-02-2010, 08:36 AM
Hey Jimbo, what exactly is that racket in your avatar? A special T-2000?

racquetfreak
03-02-2010, 08:55 AM
How about the original Slazenger Phantom with the double bridge? It was discontinued soon after its release, because it tended to snap at the throat. A beautiful rarity though. Does anyone else have one?

one was just sold on *bay last week for $48 -i knew i should have set my snipe higher.

Virginia
03-02-2010, 09:32 AM
Yes, it was a very good friend of mine who got it - tipped off by me. I'm sorry you missed out though, as they don't come up that often. :)

schu47
03-02-2010, 12:44 PM
one was just sold on *bay last week for $48 -i knew i should have set my snipe higher.

Sorry if I aced out another TT collector. My last-second bid was $53.50, just enough to nose you out. It's not here yet, but I can't wait to see it. Some of Slazenger's woods and composites from that era are really special, IMO.

All I can say is, it pays to have friends like Virginia. :)

faultfoot
03-02-2010, 05:24 PM
I think the prostaff classic 7.0 classic 85 is rarest????

also the vaccum pro in white PJ ???

I really want both of them.

:)

How about the Courier 6.6 stars n' stripes paintjob over the PS85 SV (not 6.0 85)? I remember Equiject posted a similar frame in an older post. Take a gander at this pic (not mine unofortunately).

http://i48.tinypic.com/2ptze6s.jpg

ericsson
03-02-2010, 10:59 PM
How about the Courier 6.6 stars n' stripes paintjob over the PS85 SV (not 6.0 85)? I remember Equiject posted a similar frame in an older post. Take a gander at this pic (not mine unofortunately).

http://i48.tinypic.com/2ptze6s.jpg

Yes very rare BUT these are not retail sticks, then you can include many paintjobs, i would rather stick to the rackets that were actually sold in stores.

dekko1
03-04-2010, 12:33 AM
Yes very rare BUT these are not retail sticks, then you can include many paintjobs, i would rather stick to the rackets that were actually sold in stores.

I remember them being sold in the shops.

slice bh compliment
03-04-2010, 12:40 AM
I've seen a legendary Fishtail, but it was in a German guy's museum at Indian Wells. Not for sale.

If I were racquet shopping, I would love to find some midsized, open-throated wooden frames like the Slazenger Vilas V24 or the LeCoq Noah used.

I'd trade a Wilson Javelin for another playable Max 200g.

dekko1
03-04-2010, 12:46 AM
What about old Donnay graphite racquets, like Pro Cynetic, Pro Ceramic?

schu47
03-04-2010, 06:13 AM
I've seen a legendary Fishtail, but it was in a German guy's museum at Indian Wells. Not for sale.

If I were racquet shopping, I would love to find some midsized, open-throated wooden frames like the Slazenger Vilas V24 or the LeCoq Noah used.

I'd trade a Wilson Javelin for another playable Max 200g.

If you've actually got a Wilson Javelin 95 (the double split-throat model) to trade, I've got a nice Max 200G I'd be happy to swap. Or was that just a statement of which you prefer?

Virginia
03-04-2010, 09:11 AM
Hey,schu, I was about to say the same thing. But don't you have one already?

Let us know, slicey, ok? :)

TMR
03-04-2010, 09:44 AM
I've seen a legendary Fishtail, but it was in a German guy's museum at Indian Wells. Not for sale.

If I were racquet shopping, I would love to find some midsized, open-throated wooden frames like the Slazenger Vilas V24 or the LeCoq Noah used.

I'd trade a Wilson Javelin for another playable Max 200g.

This one?
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=302597
I also have a ton of other open throat woodies for sale, including Head Edgewood, etc.

slice bh compliment
03-04-2010, 12:01 PM
TMR, that's a beauty.

Virginia and schu:
I've got one of each kind of Javelin the normal one and the crazy one with the dbl split throat.

Not really sure about shipping it to NZ...costs and all.
But, yeah, happy to make a trade.

TMR: I'd really love to trade it for your LCS! With interest: a Kniessl WS Twin or a few other novelty sticks.

TMR
03-04-2010, 01:27 PM
TMR, that's a beauty.

Virginia and schu:
I've got one of each kind of Javelin the normal one and the crazy one with the dbl split throat.

Not really sure about shipping it to NZ...costs and all.
But, yeah, happy to make a trade.

TMR: I'd really love to trade it for your LCS! With interest: a Kniessl WS Twin or a few other novelty sticks.

slice bh compliment
contact me directly to discuss. Also interested in the Javelin split throat; I have several Max 200g for trade. Don't need the White Star Twin as I already have a pair. (Actually trying to sell one myself.) Let me know what other sticks you have for trade and maybe we can do a double trade to save on shipping. I am especially looking for a Prestige Classic that just says "Prestige Classic" on the side , the original Lacoste Metal T2000, or a TAD Davis Classic III.

ahanesthesiaa at gmail dot com

slice bh compliment
03-04-2010, 04:46 PM
Dear TMR,
Give me a day - I will bounce this off my best bud who is a teaching pro and a shop owner/director. He is the one who has my Javelin on his wall. We will work him into the trade, since he's got at least one crimson Prestige Classic Mid he's not using. He'll do the shipping and all on his club UPS acc't. We're hitting tomorrow morning. One of us will email you tomorrow (probably from his office).

I am most interested in that le coq.....and he's going to want a 200g. I know for sure we'll want to do a 3 for 2 deal with you. If we do a 2 for 2, we'll be more than happy to grease the deal with some grips, wristbands, gut...whatever is good for the group!

Many thanks,
-slice

[sorry to take up space with this personal correspondence, guys. sorry]

Virginia
03-05-2010, 12:45 AM
TMR, that's a beauty.

Virginia and schu:
I've got one of each kind of Javelin the normal one and the crazy one with the dbl split throat.

Not really sure about shipping it to NZ...costs and all.
But, yeah, happy to make a trade.

You can ship it to schu, instead of to NZ. I have a variety of 200G's (3-4 different models, from memory) for a trade. It's the double split throat I'm after, as I have the other one. :)

jimbo333
03-05-2010, 05:15 AM
You can ship it to schu, instead of to NZ. I have a variety of 200G's (3-4 different models, from memory) for a trade. It's the double split throat I'm after, as I have the other one. :)

Hi Virginia, did you get my email regarding the Max200G?

Really need this one for my Max200G collection:)

khw72004
03-05-2010, 09:37 AM
Definately Lacoste Equijet, Kneissl Super Vario, Snauwaert Hi ten, Volkl Zebra, Puma G.Vilas and many more...

I use to have a Brand new Volkl Zebra in the last year or 2. I knew it was worth a lot but I didn't know it was worth a lot more. I traded it and now its gone.

Virginia
03-05-2010, 11:28 AM
Hi Virginia, did you get my email regarding the Max200G?

Really need this one for my Max200G collection:)
jimbo, so sorry I haven't written - it's been crazy round here the last few days. I'm sure we can do a trade of some sort with the 200G - will try and email you over the weekend. :)

jimbo333
03-05-2010, 11:32 AM
jimbo, so sorry I haven't written - it's been crazy round here the last few days. I'm sure we can do a trade of some sort with the 200G - will try and email you over the weekend. :)

Superb:)

I too have been stupidly busy!

schu47
03-06-2010, 10:25 AM
Looks like a seller's market for that Javelin.

As Virginia says, if she can work a trade for it, I'd be happy to have it sent to me here in the states. Virginia is quite a collector, and I serve as her U.S. distributor. :)

slice bh compliment
03-09-2010, 11:34 AM
schu and Virginia,
Thanks...worked out a nice deal with TMR. His LCS Noah for me and his 200g for my. We both have everything else we need.
I'm always looking for a Fishtail, though. But then, who isn't?

Warm regards,
sbc

000KFACTOR90000
03-22-2010, 06:37 AM
I think Dan Brown may be basing his next book on it but does anyone know how I can aquire a Snauwaert Hi ten 50, and how much I should pay?

TMR
03-22-2010, 07:18 AM
I think Dan Brown may be basing his next book on it but does anyone know how I can aquire a Snauwaert Hi ten, and how much I should pay?

I had a pair of Snauwaert Hi-Ten 30. I traded one, so one left. Would need another special trade or $$$ to let this one go.

ericsson
03-22-2010, 07:24 AM
I think Dan Brown may be basing his next book on it but does anyone know how I can aquire a Snauwaert Hi ten, and how much I should pay?

I will have one in the for sale section soon, it includes the original thick (luxilon) string. It's a snauwaert Hi-Ten Dyno. Great collector's item.

retrowagen
03-22-2010, 11:25 AM
I think Dan Brown may be basing his next book on it but does anyone know how I can aquire a Snauwaert Hi ten, and how much I should pay?

I can give you two high fives, but I don't think they will add up to your desired result. :lol:

000KFACTOR90000
03-22-2010, 12:23 PM
I will have one in the for sale section soon, it includes the original thick (luxilon) string. It's a snauwaert Hi-Ten Dyno. Great collector's item.

Really chasing the grail I know - a Hi ten 50 :shock:

I can give you two high fives, but I don't think they will add up to your desired result. :lol:

High five (With Ali G accent!) :)

WORLDWITHINAWORLD
03-25-2010, 07:57 PM
How about the original Slazenger Phantom with the double bridge? It was discontinued soon after its release, because it tended to snap at the throat. A beautiful rarity though. Does anyone else have one?

If you like Slazengers, you probably have some of the steel frames played by Big Bad Betty Stove. I forget the model name ?But I played one for awhile and it played good. Probably better than the Wilson T-2000. Slazenger made quality frames in the 70's and 80's. I'm not aware of their quality history after that.

coachrick
03-25-2010, 08:07 PM
If you like Slazengers, you probably have some of the steel frames played by Big Bad Betty Stove. I forget the model name ?But I played one for awhile and it played good. Probably better than the Wilson T-2000. Slazenger made quality frames in the 70's and 80's. I'm not aware of their quality history after that.

As someone reminded me earlier, the steel Slaz was called the PLUS. I have one with original strings and will take it out this weekend if I get a chance---what a club!

In the States, Slazenger was the 'snooty sibling' to Dunlop...perceived by many as being a notch above Dunlop in squash, in particular. In tennis, Slazenger maintained the 'snooty' status with its pro shop distribution and Wimbledon connection(I still really like the 4-ball cans!).

jimbo333
03-26-2010, 03:59 AM
http://i40.tinypic.com/34px936.jpg

All it says on the side is "sold exclusively by tennis professionals":)

coachrick
03-26-2010, 06:45 AM
http://i40.tinypic.com/34px936.jpg

All it says on the side is "sold exclusively by tennis professionals":)

Indeed, I figured 'anybody' could play with the Challenge No.1 and I wanted the PROFESSIONAL model. Actually, I preferred the stiffer Pro over the Maxply-like No.1.

Both are beautifully made...no need for excessive paint and cosmetic treatment...let the wood speak for itself! Very nice original grips on these but I think the gold lettering on the grip made it a bit slick.

Kemitak
03-26-2010, 11:26 AM
I don't think it's too high on collector's lists, but I've been looking for a Head Professional ( http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/head_professional.html ) for a few years now, and I haven't seen a single one come up for auction.
My old man had one, and I used to play with it alot until it cracked in the upper hoop. I haven't had quite the same feeling of crushing the ball since.

tennis005
03-26-2010, 11:33 AM
I saw one of those at goodwill the other day. Wasn't in the best shape but still solid. I could see if they still have it.

coachrick
03-26-2010, 01:12 PM
I don't think it's too high on collector's lists, but I've been looking for a Head Professional ( http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/head_professional.html ) for a few years now, and I haven't seen a single one come up for auction.
My old man had one, and I used to play with it alot until it cracked in the upper hoop. I haven't had quite the same feeling of crushing the ball since.

I saw one on the b-a-y last night, I think. I've picked up two in the past year(one for $1.99). It was my most oft-used racket of the mid-late '70s. More than one teaching pro in Atlanta used the Prince Pro for teaching and the Head Pro for playing. Leave out one main on either side, making the mains parallel, and enjoy the one piece stringing(unless you're a purist, of course). I tried and tried to get Head to make the Edge-sized racket in the 7005 aluminum with the angled cross-section but they waited a couple of years too late to introduce the Vector.

I still hit the Red Head almost every time I go out!

Kemitak
03-26-2010, 03:40 PM
I saw one on the b-a-y last night, I think. I've picked up two in the past year(one for $1.99). It was my most oft-used racket of the mid-late '70s. More than one teaching pro in Atlanta used the Prince Pro for teaching and the Head Pro for playing. Leave out one main on either side, making the mains parallel, and enjoy the one piece stringing(unless you're a purist, of course). I tried and tried to get Head to make the Edge-sized racket in the 7005 aluminum with the angled cross-section but they waited a couple of years too late to introduce the Vector.

I still hit the Red Head almost every time I go out!

Well I just realised something: e-***.ca and e-***.com don't list the same racquets! I'm such a monkey.
Still, all I can find is a Head Master, but I don't know anything about it, so no bid.
Were there any pros playing with the Head Pro?
I'm sorry, but you lost me when started talking about 'edge-sized racquet in 7005 aluminum...' But I noticed there's a new Vector up for auction for only $50. I might have to add it to the collection.

coachrick
03-26-2010, 04:35 PM
Well I just realised something: e-***.ca and e-***.com don't list the same racquets! I'm such a monkey.
Still, all I can find is a Head Master, but I don't know anything about it, so no bid.
Were there any pros playing with the Head Pro?
I'm sorry, but you lost me when started talking about 'edge-sized racquet in 7005 aluminum...' But I noticed there's a new Vector up for auction for only $50. I might have to add it to the collection.

The Edge was the aluminum mid-sized Head racket of the late '70s. It was made of 6000(6061 IIRC) series Alcoa aluminum which is softer than the 7005 series. The oval cross section of the frame was also more flexible than the angular cross section of the Pro and later the Vector. You certainly can't fault Head for the Edge; it was a very successful racket, but the flex precluded the enjoyment of the mid size metal by most big hitters. The Vector was simply a year or two too late, IMO.

Anyone remember Fibak using the Head Pro? There were tons of satellite players and teaching pros using the Red Head.

I saw the Vector and thought about giving it a shot. I'll leave it for you!

Edit: The Master was 6000 series aluminum in a 'standard sized' round shape. The Edge was more a more oval mid-size of the same material.

Don't Let It Bounce
03-26-2010, 05:38 PM
Wasn't the Vector the one that clamped each string individually, so when you broke one you didn't have to restring the whole racquet?

Funny how technologies both real and otherwise have pervaded every aspect of the tennis industry, with the glaring exception of those that would decrease sales of strings, balls, and shoes.

BTW, I found a Head Graphite Director in a thrift shop this week for only US$3.99. (Joke for this subforum only: price might have been higher if it were still snow season.) There were a Spalding Orbitech and Assault 95 right beside it for the same price. I don't seem many of those three nowadays.

coachrick
03-26-2010, 06:51 PM
Wasn't the Vector the one that clamped each string individually, so when you broke one you didn't have to restring the whole racquet?

Funny how technologies both real and otherwise have pervaded every aspect of the tennis industry, with the glaring exception of those that would decrease sales of strings, balls, and shoes.

BTW, I found a Head Graphite Director in a thrift shop this week for only US$3.99. (Joke for this subforum only: price might have been higher if it were still snow season.) There were a Spalding Orbitech and Assault 95 right beside it for the same price. I don't seem many of those three nowadays.

There was a 'String-Lok' Vector as well as a conventionally strung model. There was also a 'String-Lok' Edge and, if you were so inclined, you could 'per-vert' a Red Head to make it 'String-Lok'. You could literally string every string with a different material, if you had scraps lying around. I would consider trying it now if I had a set of barrels and plugs.

I've got brother-in-law's Graphite Director in dire need of string strips. I also have a Composite Director that I may string for him to try instead. As well, I have a Tournament Director; yet another snow season multi-tasker! :)

tennis005
03-27-2010, 07:15 PM
Just saw a kid at my local club, 12 or 13, using a old racket he found in his mother closet. A PS 6.0 85 in 9/10 condition. I offered to buy it from him but he refused. Oh well...

jimbo333
03-28-2010, 04:41 AM
There was a 'String-Lok' Vector as well as a conventionally strung model. There was also a 'String-Lok' Edge and, if you were so inclined, you could 'per-vert' a Red Head to make it 'String-Lok'. You could literally string every string with a different material, if you had scraps lying around. I would consider trying it now if I had a set of barrels and plugs.

I've got brother-in-law's Graphite Director in dire need of string strips. I also have a Composite Director that I may string for him to try instead. As well, I have a Tournament Director; yet another snow season multi-tasker! :)

And what about the "String Lok" Final?

Looks like a Vector, photos later today:)

jimbo333
03-29-2010, 09:51 AM
So here is the metal Head - Final (String-Lock):)

http://i43.tinypic.com/b88s3m.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/o5xs9w.jpg

jimbo333
03-29-2010, 09:57 AM
More photos of the metal Head - Final (String-Lock):)

http://i41.tinypic.com/2dv8rw5.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/qnwowh.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/5d2zw0.jpg

coachrick
03-29-2010, 12:19 PM
And what about the "String Lok" Final?

:)


Guess that must have been the 'LAST' one, then! :)

Looks interesting with the red instead of the black throat/strips that we had in the States.

Head could have sold a zillion of those(normally strung, if you please) IF they had introduced it a year or two earlier--before all the Red Head users moved on to something else. Oh, well...they didn't listen to me!

I'd love to find a couple of sets of barrels and plugs!

Don't Let It Bounce
03-29-2010, 12:51 PM
There was a 'String-Lok' Vector as well as a conventionally strung model. There was also a 'String-Lok' Edge and, if you were so inclined, you could 'per-vert' a Red Head to make it 'String-Lok'. You could literally string every string with a different material, if you had scraps lying around. I would consider trying it now if I had a set of barrels and plugs.I knew of these racquets, but I never knew how they worked. What is the mechanism of the clamps? And was it hard to get the desired tension consistently?

I've got brother-in-law's Graphite Director in dire need of string strips. I also have a Composite Director that I may string for him to try instead. As well, I have a Tournament Director; yet another snow season multi-tasker! :)Wish I could help with the string strips. The one I just found is already heavily tubed. If that's really his racquet of choice after all these years, string strips notwithstanding, let me know; I'm not attached to keeping this one.

I remember the Tournament Director well; it was the Head Prince Pro of the time (aluminum, but better aluminum than the base model, and painted black). An ill-tempered college buddy had the TD Lava Lamp model: it seemed to have a different shape every time a new Tournament Director-shaped dent appeared on the courts.

coachrick
03-29-2010, 02:26 PM
I knew of these racquets, but I never knew how they worked. What is the mechanism of the clamps? And was it hard to get the desired tension consistently?

Wish I could help with the string strips. The one I just found is already heavily tubed. If that's really his racquet of choice after all these years, string strips notwithstanding, let me know; I'm not attached to keeping this one.

I remember the Tournament Director well; it was the Head Prince Pro of the time (aluminum, but better aluminum than the base model, and painted black). An ill-tempered college buddy had the TD Lava Lamp model: it seemed to have a different shape every time a new Tournament Director-shaped dent appeared on the courts.

I'm afraid b-i-l's Graphite Director may be toast...there were enough areas at the top of the face that experienced complete strip failure and the strings likely pulled well into the frame before breaking. I think I'll string the Comp instead.

The frame I called the 'Tournament Director' is actually labeled 'Director'...looks like a really big Red Head except with the rounded cross section rather than the angled. Red throat like the Red Head. I think this was the forerunner of the Tournament Director that I believe has thinner walls and is quite hollow compared to my Director.

I was interesting to experience the various configurations that could be 'designed' with aluminum rackets in those days. There were many Head Pro and Master rackets that, on occasion, wouldn't easily fit back in their covers! :)

The String Lok system relied on the elasticity of the string to 'pull' the plug snug into the barrel, thus locking the string in place as the plug squeezed the string tight into the barrel. Various recommendations were made as to the amount of 'extra' tension to be applied, thus allowing for the creep or pullback into the barrels. The system was elegant, in a way. Individual strings could be replaced when needed. Scraps could be used. If aluminum hadn't already been on the way out at that time, the concept may have held a little longer. I played one ALTA match with a String Lok Vector with nearly a different string material for each strand! The good old days!

jimbo333
03-29-2010, 03:13 PM
Guess that must have been the 'LAST' one, then! :)

Looks interesting with the red instead of the black throat/strips that we had in the States.

Head could have sold a zillion of those(normally string, if you please) IF they had introduced it a year or two earlier--before all the Red Head users moved on to something else. Oh, well...they didn't listen to me!

I'd love to find a couple of sets of barrels and plugs!

Yes I agree the "Final" was probably the last:)

If I find some more S/L Barrels/Plugs will definitely let you know. I want to keep mine as I really like metal racquets. Metal racquets just didn't really catch on in the UK. When I was growing up in late 70's/early 80's there was mainly a transition from wood to graphite, metal didn't get much of a look in unfortunately!

Kemitak
03-29-2010, 03:33 PM
So why exactly was aluminum abandoned, because graphite composite racquets don't seem to be much better to me? (Then again, I'm not sure anything is an improvement over wood, either.) Is it that composite racquets are cheaper to fabricate?

coachrick
03-29-2010, 04:54 PM
So why exactly was aluminum abandoned, because graphite composite racquets don't seem to be much better to me? (Then again, I'm not sure anything is an improvement over wood, either.) Is it that composite racquets are cheaper to fabricate?

I believe it did become just as economical to produce graphite composites and that made it easy to 'walk away' from aluminum. I believe it is much easier to 'tune' the playing characteristics of composites compared to metal. If there had been some 'unobtanium' version of alu, perhaps it would have had the cachet of graphite--or perhaps the metal suppliers could have started a rumor that graphite caused some rare malady! I always liked aluminum until the thin-walled tubular designs like the Prince Pro. The 'closer to solid' extruded construction of the Head Pro was my favorite; although, Yonex could have updated their designs in a better fashion, I believe.

There is probably an argument that a 'fiber' construction can damp vibration better than aluminum; however, I think we all can name some high-end composite arm wreckers!

It would be interesting to see the result of a world-wide graphite shortage...or a spike in cost that would send the racket designers looking for another way to sell metal :) .

jimbo333
03-29-2010, 05:22 PM
^^^I like your "unobtanium" line above:)

Am going to start a metal racquets thread tomorrow, as there are some interesting metals deserving their own thread!

slice bh compliment
03-29-2010, 05:23 PM
...
It would be interesting to see the result of a world-wide graphite shortage...or a spike in cost that would send the racket designers looking for another way to sell metal :) .

INteresting. I know it's not the most environmentally friendly product.

Re: metal...I'm sure alloys are plentiful, but steel seems in danger. Of course it's more easily recycleable.

I wonder about bamboo. I used Maxplys, mostly, back in the late 70s, but I had one Futabaya (bamboo), and I LOVED the feel.

Easy to grow, strong, pretty green. It would be so cool if tennis went to bamboo frames. I bet you could make a pretty sweet midsize....80 or 90 sq in.

Anyway, back on topic:
I know they make knock-offs now, but I'd be up for an old open-throated bamboo Futabaya in a size 5.

jimbo333
03-30-2010, 02:07 AM
INteresting. I know it's not the most environmentally friendly product.

Re: metal...I'm sure alloys are plentiful, but steel seems in danger. Of course it's more easily recycleable.

I wonder about bamboo. I used Maxplys, mostly, back in the late 70s, but I had one Futabaya (bamboo), and I LOVED the feel.

Easy to grow, strong, pretty green. It would be so cool if tennis went to bamboo frames. I bet you could make a pretty sweet midsize....80 or 90 sq in.

Anyway, back on topic:
I know they make knock-offs now, but I'd be up for an old open-throated bamboo Futabaya in a size 5.

Yes, but just don't let the Panda's know:-?

http://i43.tinypic.com/muk9r4.jpg

And here's an open throated bamboo covered racquet:)

http://i42.tinypic.com/fyzhqv.jpg

The bamboo is the final lamination on outside of frame (can't see above), looks beautiful!

gpt
03-30-2010, 02:49 AM
That open throater is a beautiful racquet jimbo.
Is it yours?

jimbo333
03-30-2010, 02:54 AM
That open throater is a beautiful racquet jimbo.
Is it yours?

Yes:)

Only got it recently, it looks superb with all the different woods. The bamboo looks great on the sides as well!

It is very light, guessing made in Thailand?

gpt
03-30-2010, 02:58 AM
Year of manufacture?

jimbo333
03-30-2010, 03:01 AM
Year of manufacture?

Absolutely no idea!

I need to investigate it, someone here might have an idea:)

It is so light, that is almost unplayable, but really does look just superb!

gpt
03-30-2010, 03:12 AM
Well it is a beauty.

Out of interest, did you know that laminated racquets were invented and patented by a Tasmanian named Alfred Alexander? He owned the Alexander Racquet Company.

He couldnt source suitable timber to make solid hoops so came up with the lamination process to strengthen them. Jack Crawford used one to win Wimbledon in the early thirties ( 1933?)

jimbo333
03-30-2010, 03:42 AM
Well it is a beauty.

Out of interest, did you know that laminated racquets were invented and patented by a Tasmanian named Alfred Alexander? He owned the Alexander Racquet Company.

He couldnt source suitable timber to make solid hoops so came up with the lamination process to strengthen them. Jack Crawford used one to win Wimbledon in the early thirties ( 1933?)

Nope, didn't know, I guess the devil's in the detail:)

And it is an amazing process, a real skill to make these racquets!

gpt
03-30-2010, 03:46 AM
Nope, didn't know, I guess the devil's in the detail:)And it is an amazing process, a real skill to make these racquets!

Ha Ha touche' Jimbo

With that jem in my head I am going to go to sleep.
Nice chatting with you.

coachrick
03-30-2010, 06:36 AM
OK, so little Johnny's teacher makes the following assignment:
Construct a sentence using 'defeat', 'deduct', 'defense' and 'detail'.

Moments later little Johnny replies:
"Defeat of deduct went over defense before detail."

Bah dum bum!

jimbo333
03-30-2010, 07:04 AM
^^^^^^Haha, I had to read that one twice to get it:)

Supposed to be playing tennis now, but it's raining (again):(

bhathiya9999
03-31-2010, 12:40 AM
Recommend Babolat

Don't Let It Bounce
03-31-2010, 12:59 AM
...If there had been some 'unobtanium' version of alu, perhaps it would have had the cachet of graphite..."If" indeed. As if you didn't know very well that the Magnesium Pro was that very racquet... But alas, the fleet of black helicopters that descended upon Princeton NJ that cold day in 1986 reminded a nation that it was the height of the Cold War, and advanced technology couldn't be allowed to fall into the wrong hands. And that, kiddies, is why even guys like Pat Cash and Cedric Pioline are stuck with mere graphite now.

coachrick
03-31-2010, 05:45 AM
"If" indeed. As if you didn't know very well that the Magnesium Pro was that very racquet... But alas, the fleet of black helicopters that descended upon Princeton NJ that cold day in 1986 reminded a nation that it was the height of the Cold War, and advanced technology couldn't be allowed to fall into the wrong hands. And that, kiddies, is why even guys like Pat Cash and Cedric Pioline are stuck with mere graphite now.

Indeedy. As a stringer, what I really remember about the Mag Pro was the WAY TOO shallow string channel around the top of the hoop. Just a little court digging and the strings were exposed to the next impact. Also one of the worst throat inserts ever. The general stiffness pattern of the Mag Pro reminded me of the Yonex Glaflex...hard to pinpoint, just a different feel.

Anybody got a picture of Pioline's paintjob?...different from the model in the States, IIRC.

Pushmaster
03-31-2010, 01:34 PM
The Prestige Pro (the brown one) is rare. I never seen one on the bay, once in a blue moon you'll see one here on the FS forum.

Don't Let It Bounce
03-31-2010, 01:52 PM
Indeedy. As a stringer, what I really remember about the Mag Pro was the WAY TOO shallow string channel around the top of the hoop. Just a little court digging and the strings were exposed to the next impact. Also one of the worst throat inserts ever. The general stiffness pattern of the Mag Pro reminded me of the Yonex Glaflex...hard to pinpoint, just a different feel.

Anybody got a picture of Pioline's paintjob?...different from the model in the States, IIRC.I remember someone on these boards having obtained some of Pioline's old racquets–not even out of a sense of fandom, but rather to have some Mag Pros to play with–and reporting that they were all shaped like Rorschach Tests!

No pictures, but all I remember is that they were painted white, and I don't remember them resembling any contemporary Prince frame.

EDIT: I misspoke. Here (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=156402)'s the thread, and there's no mention of head distortion. And here (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=203982)'s a picture.

customaus
01-14-2011, 02:12 AM
The Prestige Pro (the brown one) is rare. I never seen one on the bay, once in a blue moon you'll see one here on the FS forum.

Totally agree the brown prestige pro mid 1980s very first gen. looks like one of the most beautiful, rare classic racquets.

kalic
01-14-2011, 09:38 AM
It's not classic, but I miss "Head Vamp Tour 630" in my "Head constant beam series". It's supposed to be woman's (lighter) version of PT630...

Bud
01-14-2011, 10:18 AM
Where has Jimbo been, BTW?

TMR
01-14-2011, 11:56 AM
The Prestige Pro (the brown one) is rare. I never seen one on the bay, once in a blue moon you'll see one here on the FS forum.

When people talk about the Prestige Pro brown one, exactly which racquet are they talking about? Do they mean the one after the white TXP, the one that came in versions Prestige Pro / Prestige Pro 600 / Prestige Pro USA flag ?

retrowagen
01-14-2011, 01:28 PM
When people talk about the Prestige Pro brown one, exactly which racquet are they talking about? Do they mean the one after the white TXP, the one that came in versions Prestige Pro / Prestige Pro 600 / Prestige Pro USA flag ?
I think they mean the USA-made, 1988-only Prestige Pro.

petema99
01-14-2011, 02:18 PM
I think they mean the USA-made, 1988-only Prestige Pro.

I always thought they were talking about the 1st Generation model made in Austria which was all brown (as opposed to brown in the head fading to red in the throat).

Here's a picture: (belongs to jetlee2k's awesome collection :) )

http://i43.tinypic.com/125ge39.jpg

MarrratSafin
01-14-2011, 02:30 PM
When people talk about the Prestige Pro brown one, exactly which racquet are they talking about? Do they mean the one after the white TXP, the one that came in versions Prestige Pro / Prestige Pro 600 / Prestige Pro USA flag ?

Petema99 above has the correct version there, the all brown first Prestige Pro. However I thought the brown fading to red Made in USA Prestige Pro with the USA flag is the one that shows up the least, it's the only piece missing from my collection! Would appreciate if anyone has one to sell me.:)

retrowagen
01-14-2011, 02:36 PM
I may have gotten the paint colours of the two confused. However, I'd suggest that the US-made version was the rarer of the two, being made for only part of a year, whilst the austrian version was produced 1986-1988.

The Austrian-made Elite Pro and Elektra Pro, also 1988 only, were also fairly rare and are moreso today. But by dint of their slightly cheaper cost when new, there may have been a few more of those sold when new, although I have no actual sales or production numbers to back up this assumption.

Cesare
01-14-2011, 05:46 PM
what about the Pdp open (Roscoe Tanner's racquet)?

zapvor
01-14-2011, 05:51 PM
Dunlop Max 200g

nah...even i got one

tandayu
01-14-2011, 08:52 PM
Prestige Pro USA.....but some are made in Austria...go figures???

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/klamathprestige/ppusa.jpg

mctennis
01-14-2011, 08:54 PM
Volkl T9 30
:)

I had three of them a couple of years ago. I didn't know they were that rare. :(

Ronaldo
01-14-2011, 09:04 PM
"If" indeed. As if you didn't know very well that the Magnesium Pro was that very racquet... But alas, the fleet of black helicopters that descended upon Princeton NJ that cold day in 1986 reminded a nation that it was the height of the Cold War, and advanced technology couldn't be allowed to fall into the wrong hands. And that, kiddies, is why even guys like Pat Cash and Cedric Pioline are stuck with mere graphite now.

Are the Mag Pros all that? Have a pr of 110 and 90s, just did not like them, cannot give them away.

tandayu
01-14-2011, 09:55 PM
I had three of them a couple of years ago. I didn't know they were that rare. :(

Which color you had? Red or yellow?

jersey34tennis
01-15-2011, 05:29 AM
i've got an apex manta from the 80's that's rare. plays like a classic but i can't find any info on it

joe sch
01-15-2011, 06:35 AM
Im seeing this thread late but it appears to me the discussion has pretty much centered on the hardest to find of the famous player production rackets. Many serious collectors and players do seek these type of models in mint condition and because there are not many that fit those requirements (rare), the prices will be high. I think the most highly sought after (rarest) rackets are the models that were customized or modified for the great players. These rackets would include paint jobbed and manufactured modified models for top players. Some examples would be max 200g's made for Mac or Graf, Adidas ProT modified by Bosworth for Lendl, donnay borg pro with beefed up shaft/hoop for Bjorn, 17oz Wilson JKA for Jack Kramer ... Ofcourse the most rare of these would be actual played models with certificates of authenticity (COAs). How valuable would it be to have the donnay borg pro framed in a case with COA from Bjorns 1981 Wimbledon ? A friend of mine has one of connors t2000s that has 1/2 of the hoop leaded up (12..6oc). I would really love having one of the Sampras wilson ps60 that he used at Wimbledon with some grass stains on the gut and his signature on the shaft.

mctennis
01-15-2011, 09:32 AM
Which color you had? Red or yellow?

Bright red ones.

Don't Let It Bounce
01-15-2011, 01:03 PM
Are the Mag Pros all that? Have a pr of 110 and 90s, just did not like them, cannot give them away.Well, in all seriousness (though where's the fun in that?), no metal racquet can compare with a good carbon composite, but the Mag Pros came damned close, and at the time they did it for a much lower price than you had to pay for graphite/fiberglass/kevlar/etc.

Best metal racquet ever, IMO, and the 90's have the additional distinction of being used by a couple of top touring pros long after everyone else had abandoned metal. Of course, none of that necessarily translates to higher demand among racquet collectors.

TMR
01-15-2011, 01:52 PM
Prestige Pro USA.....but some are made in Austria...go figures???

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/klamathprestige/ppusa.jpg

does anyone have a pic of this?
I would love to see the proof.

Was it the same story as the Head Prestige Classics that were made in Austria/Finished in Czech, i.e. Made in USA but finished in Austria? Perhaps a later production run?

tandayu
01-15-2011, 05:08 PM
does anyone have a pic of this?
I would love to see the proof.

Was it the same story as the Head Prestige Classics that were made in Austria/Finished in Czech, i.e. Made in USA but finished in Austria? Perhaps a later production run?

one example:

look at Head Txp listing at Eb*y. The buttcap read:
Made in USA
Frame Austria

sportsfan10
01-15-2011, 05:26 PM
Haven't posted in a long time but this thread got my attention. I second the PDP Open, a knock-off off the Red Head, and the PDP Fiberstaff. The PDP company started by Roscoe Tanner and Arthur Ashe as I recall. From about the same time frame, the Tony Trabert Graphite. And talk about beautiful wood frames -- the Spalding Natural was one of the best looking imo. Memories...

MarrratSafin
01-15-2011, 05:37 PM
Prestige Pro USA.....but some are made in Austria...go figures???

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/klamathprestige/ppusa.jpg

Ah, beauties. Makes me feel even more desperate to find one now!:evil:

I reckon that means the frame is molded in Austria and finished in USA (grip, pallets etc). Just like the Made in Czech PC600's.

vsbabolat
01-15-2011, 05:58 PM
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/vsbabolat/IMG_0036.jpg

zapvor
01-15-2011, 06:26 PM
wow good stuff here

joe sch
01-16-2011, 05:52 AM
Haven't posted in a long time but this thread got my attention. I second the PDP Open, a knock-off off the Red Head, and the PDP Fiberstaff. The PDP company started by Roscoe Tanner and Arthur Ashe as I recall. From about the same time frame, the Tony Trabert Graphite. And talk about beautiful wood frames -- the Spalding Natural was one of the best looking imo. Memories...

Nice vintage rackets like many mentioned but just not rare, otherwise Id be worth alot more :) To really understand the scarcity of the vintage rackets you would need to following the buying patterns on the auction sites and know of the requests for many of these rackets. These requirements take alot of my personal time and do qualify me as one of the better racket current market value experts. One of the more rare rackets mentioned is the Hi-Ten. These models are very hard to find and are desired by both racket collectors and players, which does not make it easier to buy them. Just like with most collectibles, the scarcity and value is greatly dependent on the number minted and the condition of the collectible item.

joe sch
01-16-2011, 11:43 AM
Nice vintage rackets like many mentioned but just not rare, otherwise Id be worth alot more :) To really understand the scarcity of the vintage rackets one needs to follow the buying patterns on the auction sites and understand the popularity for many of these rackets. These requirements take alot of my personal time and do qualify me as one of the better racket current market value experts. One of the more rare rackets mentioned is the Hi-Ten. These models are very hard to find and are desired by both racket collectors and players, which does not make it easier to buy them. Just like with most collectibles, the scarcity and value is greatly dependent on the number minted and the condition of the collectible item

petercoffey
01-16-2011, 07:29 PM
I second the PDP Open, a knock-off off the Red Head, and the PDP Fiberstaff. The PDP company started by Roscoe Tanner and Arthur Ashe as I recall. From about the same time frame, the Tony Trabert Graphite. Memories...

I sold all of those to one guy! what was I thinking...

better than sitting in that box-O-rackets in my basement I guess

hopefully he's enjoying them

racquetfreak
01-18-2011, 08:28 AM
hardest to find - at least for me - is max 200g commemorating singles and doubles wins at wimbledon and us open by mcenroe in 1984.

Ronaldo
01-18-2011, 09:26 AM
hardest to find - at least for me - is max 200g commemorating singles and doubles wins at wimbledon and us open by mcenroe in 1984.

Do you have the 200G commemorating Steffi Graf's Golden Slam?

racquetfreak
01-18-2011, 09:32 AM
Do you have the 200G commemorating Steffi Graf's Golden Slam?

i have several - want to buy one? you're right i have almost everything but have run out of space - like virginia, i need to triage and whittle down my collection to a manageable size. :oops:

gavna
01-21-2011, 12:11 PM
If we are talking rare, try to find a FILA Wud 1 frame! One of the most beautiful fames ever made. I remember playing with them and feeling horrible when they hit the ground. Try to find one on any auction site! I have seen only 2 in the last 25 years (one is in a pro shop up on a wall and I have tried to buy it from him for the past 5 years with no luck).

netman
01-21-2011, 04:43 PM
I've got a lot of the frames mentioned here. Agree the Hi Tens are tough to find. I second the Trabert C-6 frames which were the first true graphite frames. I'll add the Kniessel Twin Stars and the Adidas Lendl OEMs of said Kniessel frames. Finally the MacGregor Berglin frame is a true technological oddity.

-k-

joe sch
01-21-2011, 05:55 PM
If we are talking rare, try to find a FILA Wud 1 frame! One of the most beautiful fames ever made. I remember playing with them and feeling horrible when they hit the ground. Try to find one on any auction site! I have seen only 2 in the last 25 years (one is in a pro shop up on a wall and I have tried to buy it from him for the past 5 years with no luck).

I have a few of the fila Wud frames in mint condition and believe I have a spare mint Wud1. How valuable is it to you :)

vsbabolat
01-21-2011, 06:11 PM
If we are talking rare, try to find a FILA Wud 1 frame! One of the most beautiful fames ever made. I remember playing with them and feeling horrible when they hit the ground. Try to find one on any auction site! I have seen only 2 in the last 25 years (one is in a pro shop up on a wall and I have tried to buy it from him for the past 5 years with no luck).

I have seen it up on the big auction site several times in the last 4 years. The guy was from Italy and was selling them new.:shock:

netman
01-21-2011, 06:31 PM
I have a few of the fila Wud frames in mint condition and believe I have a spare mint Wud1. How valuable is it to you :)

You sir, are a true capitalist. I salute you.

-k-

joe sch
01-21-2011, 08:15 PM
You sir, are a true capitalist. I salute you.

-k-

Guilty as charged.
Also consider the hard times departing with old stocks and some of the other recent popular threads like bad market for classic rackets and racketaholics :)

Steve Huff
01-21-2011, 09:58 PM
Capitalist--yes, but Joe is an honest one. I've got several rackets from Joe, and they've all exceeded my expectations.

proracketeer
01-21-2011, 10:04 PM
anyone have a spare Head Top Graphite?

netman
01-22-2011, 05:37 AM
Capitalist--yes, but Joe is an honest one. I've got several rackets from Joe, and they've all exceeded my expectations.

When did capitalist come to mean dishonest? I salute Joe because he is is a true market maker who makes it much easier for folks to get that classic frame they desire. Didn't mean to imply otherwise.

-k-

gavna
01-22-2011, 07:40 AM
You sir, are a true capitalist. I salute you.

-k-

my email is mishca61@gmail.com i would love to make an offer

Steve Huff
01-22-2011, 08:45 AM
Sorry, wasn't implying that you meant anything bad of Joe. Just meant that he won't take advantage of you. He's a great guy.

ritton07
01-22-2011, 11:19 AM
I have a few of the fila Wud frames in mint condition and believe I have a spare mint Wud1. How valuable is it to you :)

..dear Joe,
do you refer to the Fila WUD1ONE or just the Fila ONE?

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab146/ritton07/FilaOne.jpg

the first one is indeed quite rare, while the second one - I agree with vsbabolat, in case he meant this one - is quite often seen on the main auction site...

chrischris
01-22-2011, 12:19 PM
When did capitalist come to mean dishonest? I salute Joe because he is is a true market maker who makes it much easier for folks to get that classic frame they desire. Didn't mean to imply otherwise.

-k-

I dont think one can generalise either way when it comes to capitalism. It has its pluse and it also has minuses. One has to have an honest and open mind and then give it a serious look to see what it gives and takes.

One minus thats well known is overusing of natural resources and / or money .. aka credit crisis.
Our overreliance on oil and coal are plain stupid IMO.

TMR
01-22-2011, 06:53 PM
..dear Joe,
do you refer to the Fila WUD1ONE or just the Fila ONE?

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab146/ritton07/FilaOne.jpg

the first one is indeed quite rare, while the second one - I agree with vsbabolat, in case he meant this one - is quite often seen on the main auction site...

I love the different variations on the my serve/your serve seen on racquets.
Does the reverse of your racquet say "my choice" ?
If so, can we can a pic of it?
Thanks

joe sch
01-24-2011, 04:04 PM
I have a few diff fila models ... here are 3 diff variants:

http://woodtennis.com/fila/fila3.jpg

Hannah19
01-25-2011, 11:25 AM
Other rare beauties:
Yamaha YWG 99 Image
Belgium PS 85 ("B" as last letter in code)
V-24
GTX PRO-T
Oliver Blackbird (1988 German Boron/graphite frame, similar to Wilhelm Bungert's GrapHit)

MikeVolkl123
01-28-2011, 09:57 AM
http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/becker-advantech.html
I had 3 of these, beat them to hell and sold on big auction site years ago...who knew!

ritton07
01-30-2011, 12:08 AM
...what about a sealed Puma G. Vilas ?


http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab146/ritton07/PumaGVilas.jpg

joe sch
01-30-2011, 09:35 AM
...what about a sealed Puma G. Vilas ?


http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab146/ritton07/PumaGVilas.jpg

Nice ! Very rare indeed even more so than a mint seal puma becker super which was the most famous puma racket.

Dave M
01-30-2011, 10:14 AM
...what about a sealed Puma G. Vilas ?


http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab146/ritton07/PumaGVilas.jpg

OOOh nice .

vsbabolat
01-30-2011, 02:18 PM
...what about a sealed Puma G. Vilas ?


http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab146/ritton07/PumaGVilas.jpg

Awesome!!!!!!

retrowagen
01-30-2011, 04:36 PM
...what about a sealed Puma G. Vilas ?

Wow, very nice! Is that the one you were telling me about? Che Bella!

HackersRUs
01-30-2011, 05:48 PM
Well it is a beauty.

Out of interest, did you know that laminated racquets were invented and patented by a Tasmanian named Alfred Alexander? He owned the Alexander Racquet Company.

He couldnt source suitable timber to make solid hoops so came up with the lamination process to strengthen them. Jack Crawford used one to win Wimbledon in the early thirties ( 1933?)

My office is in the original Alexander Racquet Co. building in Launceston :)

Sadly, there are no remnants, relics or remains. I think they may have some at eh local museum, though...

MikeVolkl123
01-31-2011, 10:31 AM
Nice ! Very rare indeed even more so than a mint seal puma becker super which was the most famous puma racket.

What is the graphite to compositie mix? If it is 50/50? as I read these G.Vilas frames where actually what became the Puma Becker Supers just painted blue for Boris to use. The Becker "Winner" frame were more composite than graphite 40/60 and are not that desirable....

http://www.80s-tennis.com/pages/puma.html

ritton07
01-31-2011, 02:05 PM
...Waiting for possible info about the above materials composition interesting matter,

this ProVantech PB version is checkered, too, but its paint scheme is the opposite, if compared to the Advantech PB model previously mentioned by MikeVolkl123;

I presume it may stay among the classic rare ones,...but I cannot be sure about it :) ,

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab146/ritton07/EstusaPVa.jpg

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab146/ritton07/EstusaPVb.jpg

netman
02-01-2011, 03:13 AM
I'll chime in with the MacGregor Bergelin.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a287/K_K_Bucket/BergelinLSHead.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a287/K_K_Bucket/BergelinLSThroatSide.jpg

-k-

Tennis Man
02-01-2011, 06:35 AM
Here's my list of rare classics, in fact my "wantlist", the racquets I'm always after:

HEAD PRESTIGE PRO ORIGINAL
HEAD PRESTIGE PRO USA
HEAD ELITE PRO
LACOSTE EQUIJET 255
LACOSTE EQUIJET LT 301
LACOSTE EQUIJET LT 302
WILSON JAVELIN 95 (SPLIT THROAT)
WILSON FPK 85
CAYMAN TNT 85

galain
02-01-2011, 06:55 AM
You know, I saw a Wilson Javelin in a pharmacy window as part of a display a few years ago in Melbourne when the whole city was gearing up for the Open. I walked in and asked if the owner would be willing to sell it. The owner told me she'd ask her son (who the frame belonged to) but considering she'd found it lying around in the garage, she was sure it'd be no problem.

I went back for freakin' 5 days in a row and that woman never came back to work! I had to leave town after that but damn - I felt like just walking in and asking for it with a few boxes of aspirin!

MikeVolkl123
02-01-2011, 11:40 AM
...Waiting for possible info about the above materials composition interesting matter,

this ProVantech PB version is checkered, too, but its paint scheme is the opposite, if compared to the Advantech PB model previously mentioned by MikeVolkl123;

I presume it may stay among the classic rare ones,...but I cannot be sure about it :) ,

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab146/ritton07/EstusaPVa.jpg

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab146/ritton07/EstusaPVb.jpg

That reverse checkered version was the first model Estusa made for Boris to transition too but he did not like it, the more white checks came later. Estusa was using that color scheme on other frames as well, that is a fine example and is very very rare, I have seen only one over before. Funny thing is my Whiter checked ones were on the el cheapo table at a mall, I could have bought 5 of them for about 40 bucks USD each. I got two and loved hitting with them. I also once found a slew of Puma Boris Becker TOP pro models, they were light green frames with white on the top of the hoop/head, very flexy frames and I do not see them any more, anywhere.

tandayu
02-01-2011, 08:59 PM
Not the rarest, but I only found two new for the last several years.

http://i862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/klamathprestige/yamaha.jpg

snoflewis
02-01-2011, 10:31 PM
Here's my list of rare classics, in fact my "wantlist", the racquets I'm always after:

HEAD PRESTIGE PRO ORIGINAL
HEAD PRESTIGE PRO USA
HEAD ELITE PRO
LACOSTE EQUIJET 255
LACOSTE EQUIJET LT 301
LACOSTE EQUIJET LT 302
WILSON JAVELIN 95 (SPLIT THROAT)
WILSON FPK 85
CAYMAN TNT 85

wasnt the cayman tnt advertised as a 90 but really an 85?

joe sch
02-02-2011, 06:22 AM
A pair like this from the late 1800s is very rare :)

http://woodtennis.com/greys/standard_real1.jpg

Rorsach
02-02-2011, 06:26 AM
Never seen a Prince God come up for sale:

http://www.photostringer.com/images/Prince_God-002c.jpg

Tennis Man
02-02-2011, 06:28 AM
wasnt the cayman tnt advertised as a 90 but really an 85?

Yes it does say 90 on it but in fact it's just a different PS85 clone. Great racquet though.

Tennis Man
02-02-2011, 06:29 AM
Never seen a Prince God come up for sale:

http://www.photostringer.com/images/Prince_God-002c.jpg

I've seen lots of them actually as low as $199. Never bothered. I'd rather buy an Adidas GTX Pro bottle opener. :)

Rorsach
02-02-2011, 06:32 AM
I've seen lots of them actually as low as $199. Never bothered. I'd rather buy an Adidas GTX Pro bottle opener. :)

Do you call $199 low?


I MUST find another job...

Tennis Man
02-02-2011, 07:36 AM
Do you call $199 low?


I MUST find another job...

No, I don't. As I said I never bothered even looking at it. By definition it's not even a racquet, its hitting area is smaller than the palm of a hand. But I've seen them at almost $1,000 at some point... :confused:

MikeVolkl123
02-02-2011, 12:27 PM
No, I don't. As I said I never bothered even looking at it. By definition it's not even a racquet, its hitting area is smaller than the palm of a hand. But I've seen them at almost $1,000 at some point... :confused:

Looks like a Gnomes plaything!

Rorsach
02-02-2011, 12:34 PM
Looks like a Gnomes plaything!

No joke.

Prince had a tennis commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dyl3YQKGxo) for their extender range where God used this racquet.
Apparently they made a limited run of these.

Also, see here for more info: http://www.photostringer.com/racquets_prince_god.htm

adidasman
02-02-2011, 12:54 PM
I've seen lots of them actually as low as $199. Never bothered. I'd rather buy an Adidas GTX Pro bottle opener. :) I have that bottle opener. And the racquet that inspired it. Both are very, very cool. Best of all, a friend gave me the frame...so it cost me nothing. Ha, ha. ;)

slice bh compliment
02-02-2011, 01:01 PM
No joke.

Prince had a tennis commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dyl3YQKGxo) for their extender range where God used this racquet.
Apparently they made a limited run of these.

Also, see here for more info: http://www.photostringer.com/racquets_prince_god.htm

Yeah, the frame sold for a lot more than the raiment and the fake beard/hairdo. The raiment was one size fits all, and did not get in the way of cross-over steps on approaches or scissorkick overheads. I do get funny looks if I leave the beard on going out to dinner after tennis some evenings.

ericsson
02-02-2011, 11:01 PM
Never really understand the fuzz about that "God" prince racket, hell we shouldnt even call it a racket...

struggle
02-03-2011, 06:23 AM
Never really understand the fuzz about that "God" prince racket, hell we shouldnt even call it a racket...


i had a dream about crushing an opponent with that racket last nite.
not that it made me a "believer", but i now understand all the fuzz about the man's stick anyhow. hits real nice if you can find the sweetspot (frame).

kinda reminds me of the PS85 mystique.

nycoara
02-04-2011, 09:34 AM
HI

I looking for,,,,

1. Skazenger X-10
M. Orantes used blue Aluminium small face stick.

2. Adidas Grand Prix Graphite(Black), or Grand prix Grass(Blue)

If you have info, Pls let me know!!

Thanks

adidasman
02-04-2011, 11:58 AM
HI

I looking for,,,,

1. Skazenger X-10
M. Orantes used blue Aluminium small face stick.

2. Adidas Grand Prix Graphite(Black), or Grand prix Grass(Blue)

If you have info, Pls let me know!!

Thanks Wrong forum.

Don't Let It Bounce
02-05-2011, 01:13 PM
You can't throw a rock at an auction site without hitting a Sting Mid or OS, but I almost never see a Sting Standard. I bet they hit nice.

TMR
02-05-2011, 01:36 PM
You can't throw a rock at an auction site without hitting a Sting Mid or OS, but I almost never see a Sting Standard. I bet they hit nice.

... do you mean the Sting Standard that is snow shoe shaped similar to the Wilson Legacy ?

racquetfreak
02-05-2011, 01:45 PM
... do you mean the Sting Standard that is snow shoe shaped similar to the Wilson Legacy ?

there is a graphite sting standard analogous to the first ultra pws. unlike the ultra, the graphite standard-size sting is ultra-rare.

ritton07
02-05-2011, 01:47 PM
You can't throw a rock at an auction site without hitting a Sting Mid or OS, but I almost never see a Sting Standard. I bet they hit nice.

...or do you mean this one?

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab146/ritton07/WilsonSting-1.jpg

Don't Let It Bounce
02-06-2011, 01:03 AM
...or do you mean this one?The very one! Nice photo; thanks for posting it. How does it hit? Is it as comfortable as its two big brothers? When the Sting came out in its three sizes (70, 85, ~110), standard-sized racquets were pretty much on the way out – which I guess is why not many were sold.

This one is what Racquetfreak was referring to as well. TWM is right, though. There was an earlier, snowshoe-shaped racquet called the Sting that is probably even rarer.

ritton07
02-06-2011, 07:25 AM
...sorry, but I never hit with this model; I am too......"collector", to do it :)

(but I often think that I'd like to have a spare frame for most - each? - of my vintage racquets, so as to enjoy the unique feeling they'd surely give..)

racquetfreak
02-06-2011, 09:18 AM
there is a graphite sting standard analogous to the first ultra pws. unlike the ultra, the graphite standard-size sting is ultra-rare.

there is also a standard-size version the ultra 2 that is fairly rare.

Tennis Man
02-06-2011, 10:03 AM
...or do you mean this one?

http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab146/ritton07/WilsonSting-1.jpg

Very nice. It's the first time I see this racquet. It's too bad I can't play with such a small headed frames anymore. Even Ultra II seems quite small compared to PS85. It has something to do with the tapered beam. My Ultra FPK 95 feels like 90 sq inch.

Don't Let It Bounce
02-06-2011, 01:37 PM
there is also a standard-size version the ultra 2 that is fairly rare.Krickstein's racquet! I seem to remember him and his Ultra 2 being one of the holdouts (not the last, though) when everyone started switching to mid- and oversize.

retrowagen
02-06-2011, 04:04 PM
There was an earlier, snowshoe-shaped racquet called the Sting that is probably even rarer.

Yes indeed... I began learning tennis with one of these:
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/retrowagen/Wilson/teardropnumber1.jpg

ericsson
02-06-2011, 11:07 PM
Yes indeed... I began learning tennis with one of these:
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s144/retrowagen/Wilson/teardropnumber1.jpg

Retro, you must have a weird forehand...:-)