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Klaus
01-12-2010, 10:08 AM
O the humanity! As I have reported before, I attend a very competitive clinic. Last night, playing Australian doubles (I was the single), I went for a lob, saw it hit just past the baseline and let it go. I called it out, and one of my opponents went beserk, then stomped off the court. I was ahead 8-3 (we play till 11) The remaining player and I continued, as the pro fed us balls, and afterward, I approached the player who stomped off.

I told him it was very unsportsman-like to pout and stomp off, and the ball was out. He said that all my calls were bad, and that's the only reason I had won all the singles matches I had played recently (40-5), none of which he had ever seen. This was the first time this player had ever questioned any of my line calls in the past year.

I just packed up my stuff and left, and told him I wouldn't be back, to which he said "good."

Good lord--where do these people come from? Mind you, I have encouraged this guy for months, given him some minor tips, as he is quite inexperienced and plays tennis like urban basketball, running past the ball, slamming it out of the court, slamming stuff into the net after running and leaping, and talking trash to people all the time, shouting at them as they are about to hit the ball.

WTF? I feel bad, because other than this idiot, the clinic has been very good. How do you handle these poor sports?

JRstriker12
01-12-2010, 10:31 AM
O the humanity! As I have reported before, I attend a very competitive clinic. Last night, playing Australian doubles (I was the single), I went for a lob, saw it hit just past the baseline and let it go. I called it out, and one of my opponents went beserk, then stomped off the court. I was ahead 8-3 (we play till 11) The remaining player and I continued, as the pro fed us balls, and afterward, I approached the player who stomped off.

I told him it was very unsportsman-like to pout and stomp off, and the ball was out. He said that all my calls were bad, and that's the only reason I had won all the singles matches I had played recently (40-5), none of which he had ever seen. This was the first time this player had ever questioned any of my line calls in the past year.

I just packed up my stuff and left, and told him I wouldn't be back, to which he said "good."

Good lord--where do these people come from? Mind you, I have encouraged this guy for months, given him some minor tips, as he is quite inexperienced and plays tennis like urban basketball, running past the ball, slamming it out of the court, slamming stuff into the net after running and leaping, and talking trash to people all the time, shouting at them as they are about to hit the ball.

WTF? I feel bad, because other than this idiot, the clinic has been very good. How do you handle these poor sports?

I don't, I usually get a clinic together with about 4-5 of my like-minded tennis friends and teammates so we generally don't have to tolerate people like that.

But FWIW - why quit cause this guy is being an idiot? He has to learn to deal with calls, both good and bad. If you quit, he learns that he can shake people and bend them to his will through his bad behavoir on court. I would have called the ball and left it at that.

BTW- where was the pro in all of this? I'm sure the pro doesn't want people leaving his/her clinic because one player is being a disruptive azz. The pro should have said something... or at least, you or the other player should say something to the pro to the effect, we are not paying to play in your clinic if this guy keeps up his rude behavior.

Ripper014
01-12-2010, 10:31 AM
I don't... people have the right to do as they please. But the one thing I try not to do is to tell them that they are wrong. At most I would say, "I'm sorry, I honestly thought the ball was out". And it may well have been... none of us are infallible. The one thing I do when playing tennis whether it is for fun or competition is I always give the benefit of the call to my opponent... unless it is clearly out I call it in. Almost every match I ever play an opponent at some point will correct me and tell me that the ball was out when I call it in.

We do not play for millions of dollars... lives do not hinge on any single point that we play, I just go out and try and enjoy my time on the court. Once it is no longer any fun... I would again step away from the game for another hiatus.

gameboy
01-12-2010, 10:34 AM
Personally, as soon as the other player objects, I would give him the call.

This is not even a league match. It is during a drill. Who cares whether or not you are right? Just give him the point and move on. I just don't think it is worth arguing about ANY call during a drill.

One foot in and you call it out? No problem. I call in and you think it is out? Sure, go ahead you can have the point.

Why make the life more difficult than it needs to be?

skiracer55
01-12-2010, 10:37 AM
O the humanity! As I have reported before, I attend a very competitive clinic. Last night, playing Australian doubles (I was the single), I went for a lob, saw it hit just past the baseline and let it go. I called it out, and one of my opponents went beserk, then stomped off the court. I was ahead 8-3 (we play till 11) The remaining player and I continued, as the pro fed us balls, and afterward, I approached the player who stomped off.

I told him it was very unsportsman-like to pout and stomp off, and the ball was out. He said that all my calls were bad, and that's the only reason I had won all the singles matches I had played recently (40-5), none of which he had ever seen. This was the first time this player had ever questioned any of my line calls in the past year.

I just packed up my stuff and left, and told him I wouldn't be back, to which he said "good."

Good lord--where do these people come from? Mind you, I have encouraged this guy for months, given him some minor tips, as he is quite inexperienced and plays tennis like urban basketball, running past the ball, slamming it out of the court, slamming stuff into the net after running and leaping, and talking trash to people all the time, shouting at them as they are about to hit the ball.

WTF? I feel bad, because other than this idiot, the clinic has been very good. How do you handle these poor sports?

...and these kind of folks ain't likely to change, so you did the only thing that makes sense, which is to pick up your marbles, go home, and look elsewhere for a game of tennis (this isn't Rollerball, right?)...

Cindysphinx
01-12-2010, 10:50 AM
Dude, you gotta find yourself a private clinic so you can avoid these Nutters.

I wouldn't change my call in a drill class. If Klaus saw it out and the other player had said, "Are you sure of your call?", Klaus could have reconsidered or even just given the Nutter the point to avoid the problem.

BTW, is this the same Nutter who was making your life miserable a few months ago, or a new Nutter?

AutoXer
01-12-2010, 10:52 AM
I've read on here that a Headbutt is in order in these situations. :D

Ripper014
01-12-2010, 11:01 AM
Dude, you gotta find yourself a private clinic so you can avoid these Nutters.

I wouldn't change my call in a drill class. If Klaus saw it out and the other player had said, "Are you sure of your call?", Klaus could have reconsidered or even just given the Nutter the point to avoid the problem.

BTW, is this the same Nutter who was making your life miserable a few months ago, or a new Nutter?



Do you just enjoy confrontation..? Does it really matter if the ball was in or out? This is a drill class... it is all about hitting balls and learning something. You can have every point if it matters to you... I am just there to get something out of the class. If it feeds into his ego, all the power to him... I am content to work on my skills and take what I can from the class.

Life is way to short.

Cindysphinx
01-12-2010, 11:20 AM
Do you just enjoy confrontation..? Does it really matter if the ball was in or out? This is a drill class... it is all about hitting balls and learning something. You can have every point if it matters to you... I am just there to get something out of the class. If it feeds into his ego, all the power to him... I am content to work on my skills and take what I can from the class.

Life is way to short.

There wouldn't be any conflict. I would just point my finger and line up for the next point. If he wants to leave, fine.

The issue, IMHO, is whether you are going to reward Bad Behavior by caving in. I wouldn't. You can if you want.

Geezer Guy
01-12-2010, 11:24 AM
Sure, he acted like a hothead, but sounds like you did as well. Why call him unsportsmanlike and point out the stomping and pouting, then insist that you were right and he was wrong about the linecall? True, he did act in an unsportsman like way, but at the same time the baseline calls are the calls that the pro's usually get wrong when they challenge. You "could" have made a bad line call.
It's just a drill for crying out loud. You could simply give the guys the point, or you could ask the Pro that was feeding balls what he saw.

Ripper014
01-12-2010, 11:25 AM
There wouldn't be any conflict. I would just point my finger and line up for the next point. If he wants to leave, fine.

The issue, IMHO, is whether you are going to reward Bad Behavior by caving in. I wouldn't. You can if you want.


I understand and respect the point you are making... but I did not go to the class to work on my line calls. You are going to run into these people all over the place, and during matches I do not mind dealing with it... but during a drilling session I would rather use the time to work on my game, because I consider it quality time on the court.

Ripper014
01-12-2010, 11:29 AM
Sure, he acted like a hothead, but sounds like you did as well. Why call him unsportsmanlike and point out the stomping and pouting, then insist that you were right and he was wrong about the linecall? True, he did act in an unsportsman like way, but at the same time the baseline calls are the calls that the pro's usually get wrong when they challenge. You "could" have made a bad line call.
It's just a drill for crying out loud. You could simply give the guys the point, or you could ask the Pro that was feeding balls what he saw.

Obviously I agree with your point of view... but I would never drag someone else into it. I would just resolve it quickly by giving him the point... and moving forward. Like you said I could have been wrong... and it is just a drill. Even if it wasn't out, a line call is not going to change the world nor my life.

gameboy
01-12-2010, 11:31 AM
"reward Bad Behavior"???

Oh come on, be a friggin grown up.

I don't care if the ball was 2 feet out, if the guy says "are you sure?" I am going to say "if you want it, it is yours".

It takes two to make a fight. "Fighting for principle" in a DRILL seems like (at least to me) both people are behaving poorly.

JRstriker12
01-12-2010, 11:38 AM
I don't... people have the right to do as they please. But the one thing I try not to do is to tell them that they are wrong. At most I would say, "I'm sorry, I honestly thought the ball was out". And it may well have been... none of us are infallible. The one thing I do when playing tennis whether it is for fun or competition is I always give the benefit of the call to my opponent... unless it is clearly out I call it in. Almost every match I ever play an opponent at some point will correct me and tell me that the ball was out when I call it in.

We do not play for millions of dollars... lives do not hinge on any single point that we play, I just go out and try and enjoy my time on the court. Once it is no longer any fun... I would again step away from the game for another hiatus.

Personally, as soon as the other player objects, I would give him the call.
This is not even a league match. It is during a drill. Who cares whether or not you are right? Just give him the point and move on. I just don't think it is worth arguing about ANY call during a drill.

One foot in and you call it out? No problem. I call in and you think it is out? Sure, go ahead you can have the point.

Why make the life more difficult than it needs to be?

At the rec level, tennis is a game of mutual respect. I have to respect my opponent and the call they make, just as they have to respect me and the calls I make. I have to trust that my opponent is being honest in thier calls and understand that people are human and make mistakes.

If I KNOW (100% sure) that the ball is out, I'm not going to change my call because someone throws a fit. Giving in, only encourages these bad sports. Giving in only encourages this bad behavoir and enables the type of player who tries to win through hooking and mind games. These guys that throw a fit need to learn the lesson on mutual respect and live with the other player's calls or they will continue to act like azz-hats on the court. On the flip side of that, if I make a mistake on a line call, I'll gladly correct myself, but I"m not going to tolerate other people calling thier own shots from the other end of the court, that's not how tennis works.

Sometimes people are wrong and they need to know it. If you want to avoid any conflict, just sit at home on the couch. In a one-on-one game like tennis there will occasioanlly be conflicts and disagreements, the ideal is to learn how to deal with conflict, not cave in and avoid it. People who love the game and play from a place of mutual respect learn to move on and play the next point even when they disagree with the call.

Klaus
01-12-2010, 11:44 AM
I am kind of in the frame of mind of Cindysphinx. I suppose that comes from a lot of USTA match experience, which this class is supposed to support: match play and USTA rules. If he had said "are you sure?" I probably would just given him the point. I often play "out" balls in clinic because who really cares? he happens to treat these drills VERY seriously.

As I called it out, and finished my run towards the fence, he had already gone beserk (by doing a brief conniption) and stomped off the court to sit on the bench and watch another set of students. The pro said "let's keep going," so we did.

Cindy, yes, this is the nut who consistently throws his racquet when he loses, screams when his side wins a point, and falls and rolls frequently because he refuses to split-step. Has only occasionally will taunt players as they hit the ball.

I've had it with him, but I did receive an e-mail from the pro: "Armen" said after you left that he was very frustrated because you always "kick his ***. He commented on how much you've helped him in the past, and how much he has improved from your assistance. Sometimes, competitiveness gets the better of people, and I have seen this my whole life in sports, so I guess I am used to it."

Wow, what a way to treat someone who's improved your game! Good riddance to that clinic.

gameboy
01-12-2010, 11:46 AM
If you are a true gentleman, you should avoid all unnecessary confrontation.

You are not their mother/father. You are not there to "teach a lesson". All you will do by taking that attitude is to show that you are petty.

Save the lessons for real matches. In drills and clinics it is a social event. Get along with others (even those who are difficult) so that all of you can get more out of it without any emotional drama.

You don't have to teach moral lessons every chance you get.

Ripper014
01-12-2010, 11:49 AM
If you are a true gentleman, you should avoid all unnecessary confrontation.

You are not their mother/father. You are not there to "teach a lesson". All you will do by taking that attitude is to show that you are petty.

Save the lessons for real matches. In drills and clinics it is a social event. Get along with others (even those who are difficult) so that all of you can get more out of it without any emotional drama.

You don't have to teach moral lessons every chance you get.


<<< I'm with that guy... save it for the matches, and even then temper what you say or do.

JRstriker12
01-12-2010, 12:05 PM
If you are a true gentleman, you should avoid all unnecessary confrontation.

You are not their mother/father. You are not there to "teach a lesson". All you will do by taking that attitude is to show that you are petty.

Save the lessons for real matches. In drills and clinics it is a social event. Get along with others (even those who are difficult) so that all of you can get more out of it without any emotional drama.

You don't have to teach moral lessons every chance you get.

I'm not petty, I have principles.

A true gentleman doesn't violate his principles just because the person across the net acts like a spoiled brat. Tennis has a code and rules for a reason, all players should strive to follow them.

I'm not out to teach a lesson every match, but if I'm 100% sure, I'm not changing my call no matter how much the other person tries to do thier best McEnroe.

I get out on the court, I have fun, I'm friendly, I smile and come to the net to shake hands win or lose, I respect my opponent and my opponent's calls, I admit when I make a mistake and do my best to correct calls when I mess up.

I may not agree with the other person's call, but I'll move on and play the next point.

I don't think that's an extraordinary expectation that your opponent has the same sort of respect, even in practice.

The issue isn't my behavoir or the behavoir of the OP who honestly called the ball out, it's the behavoir of the person accross the net. No adult with an ounce of self respect should stomp off if they disagree with the call ESPECIALLY in practice.

Cindysphinx
01-12-2010, 12:06 PM
If you are a true gentleman, you should avoid all unnecessary confrontation.

I fully understand how others could feel differently, but I'm not with you on this, gameboy.

If you "avoid all unnecessary confrontation" in life, you are not necessarily a gentleman. You are without a doubt a Doormat.

Let's remember something here. This is a drill class. There is an unspoken rule in drill classes involving points and line calls: You don't question someone's line call, challenge them or otherwise imply that they are a cheater. You just don't. If my clinic mate calls my serve out when I am certain that it was inside the line, do you know what I do? **Nothing.** I don't ask "Are you sure?" I don't appeal to the pro. I don't raise an eyebrow. That's the mutual respect thing coupled with the let's-not-waste-time thing. If the ball was in by six inches, this guy shouldn't have said anything *and* definitely should not have gone berserk.

Once someone does choose to go berserk on you, then you gotta stand your ground if you can. The reason is two-fold: (1) Bullies have to learn that bullying doesn't work, and (2) standing up to a bully tends to stop the bully from bullying you next time. I suspect that if Klaus has the misfortune to play the Nutter again, the Nutter won't pull this stunt on Klaus. 'Cause it didn't work.

Cindy -- who isn't giving her lunch money to to bullies either

JRstriker12
01-12-2010, 12:13 PM
I fully understand how others could feel differently, but I'm not with you on this, gameboy.

If you "avoid all unnecessary confrontation" in life, you are not necessarily a gentleman. You are without a doubt a Doormat.

Let's remember something here. This is a drill class. There is an unspoken rule in drill classes involving points and line calls: You don't question someone's line call, challenge them or otherwise imply that they are a cheater. You just don't. If my clinic mate calls my serve out when I am certain that it was inside the line, do you know what I do? **Nothing.** I don't ask "Are you sure?" I don't appeal to the pro. I don't raise an eyebrow. That's the mutual respect thing coupled with the let's-not-waste-time thing. If the ball was in by six inches, this guy shouldn't have said anything *and* definitely should not have gone berserk.

Once someone does choose to go berserk on you, then you gotta stand your ground if you can. The reason is two-fold: (1) Bullies have to learn that bullying doesn't work, and (2) standing up to a bully tends to stop the bully from bullying you next time. I suspect that if Klaus has the misfortune to play the Nutter again, the Nutter won't pull this stunt on Klaus. 'Cause it didn't work.

Cindy -- who isn't giving her lunch money to to bullies either

Bingo....

Why tolerate a spoiled brat who's going to ruin the clinic for everyone? It's sort of sad that we call into question, the actions of someone who acted honestly. Why we are supposed to tolerate the actions of someone who behaves badly? So what happens when other person makes a call the "nutter" doesn't like?

If the OP's opponent acted with mutual respect, then this wouldn't have been an issue.

I wonder where the pro was in all of this? If I'm the pro, I wouldn't want to allow the sort of behavoir where one person chases off all the rest of the class because they throw a fit over line calls in PRACTICE - that's just not done.

Ripper014
01-12-2010, 12:16 PM
I fully understand how others could feel differently, but I'm not with you on this, gameboy.

If you "avoid all unnecessary confrontation" in life, you are not necessarily a gentleman. You are without a doubt a Doormat.

Let's remember something here. This is a drill class. There is an unspoken rule in drill classes involving points and line calls: You don't question someone's line call, challenge them or otherwise imply that they are a cheater. You just don't. If my clinic mate calls my serve out when I am certain that it was inside the line, do you know what I do? **Nothing.** I don't ask "Are you sure?" I don't appeal to the pro. I don't raise an eyebrow. That's the mutual respect thing coupled with the let's-not-waste-time thing. If the ball was in by six inches, this guy shouldn't have said anything *and* definitely should not have gone berserk.

Once someone does choose to go berserk on you, then you gotta stand your ground if you can. The reason is two-fold: (1) Bullies have to learn that bullying doesn't work, and (2) standing up to a bully tends to stop the bully from bullying you next time. I suspect that if Klaus has the misfortune to play the Nutter again, the Nutter won't pull this stunt on Klaus. 'Cause it didn't work.

Cindy -- who isn't giving her lunch money to to bullies either


Bullies are bullies by nature... like a scorpin it will sting you if you let it. I totally agree with your philosophy in match play, but to worry about a bully in a practice session seems juvenile. During practice I am trying to get what I want from the session... to work on my skills... if the nutter wants to work on being a bully... go for it. I am not going to indulge him by arguing over a linecall... it is yours... I am going to go back to what I am here for... working on my skills.

In a match I am here to win... so yes... the premise of why I am on the court is different and we will definitely discuss what you think you saw.

Ripper014
01-12-2010, 12:24 PM
Bingo....

Why tolerate a spoiled brat who's going to ruin the clinic for everyone? It's sort of sad that we call into question, the actions of someone who acted honestly. Why we are supposed to tolerate the actions of someone who behaves badly? So what happens when other person makes a call the "nutter" doesn't like?

If the OP's opponent acted with mutual respect, then this wouldn't have been an issue.

I wonder where the pro was in all of this? If I'm the pro, I wouldn't want to allow the sort of behavoir where one person chases off all the rest of the class because they throw a fit over line calls in PRACTICE - that's just not done.

I think that is the point... he lacks the ability to have a healthy respect for his peers... so why spoil the session for everyone. Let the spoiled brat have his point and let everyone get back to why they came to the class.

Confronting him just takes time... and spoils the session for everyone. It is not like everyone doesn't know he is being a jackass.

Sometimes we need to know why we do something... is it because we don't want to reward bad behaviour or is it because we need to prove everyone that we won't be pushed around. There is a difference... if you know you will not be pushed around you don't need to prove it to anyone.

Klaus
01-12-2010, 12:45 PM
Really? I have never thought that being a "true gentleman" included caving in when some nut has a fit. I simply continued to play, and after the drill was over I calmly told him how I felt.

Why does society as a whole passively let people like this continue with this behavior? I am with Cindy and ripper on this. I was calm, did not argue, continued to play and then expressed myself to him directly in a calm fashion. He was frustrated that I was "kicking his ***."

I don't feel I need to alter my behaviour, but if he acts like he did, I am not just going to roll-over; I am going to stand my ground, drill, match or not.

As the late Patrik Swayze once said: "No one puts Baby in a corner."

Ripper014
01-12-2010, 12:49 PM
Really? I have never thought that being a "true gentleman" included caving in when some nut has a fit. I simply continued to play, and after the drill was over I calmly told him how I felt.

Why does society as a whole passively let people like this continue with this behavior? I am with Cindy and ripper on this. I was calm, did not argue, continued to play and then expressed myself to him directly in a calm fashion. He was frustrated that I was "kicking his ***."

I don't feel I need to alter my behaviour, but if he acts like he did, I am not just going to roll-over; I am going to stand my ground, drill, match or not.

As the late Patrik Swayze once said: "No one puts Baby in a corner."


I appreciate your position on this... but I am not sure we agree, but that is ok... that is what makes us all different. As long as we can all agree to disagree I am good.

Klaus
01-12-2010, 12:53 PM
I was mistaken. While I do respect your opinions always ripper, and think you always make excellent points and contributions, I meant jrStriker. Sorry!:oops:

I still respect and will always adore Cindy.

Cindysphinx
01-12-2010, 12:55 PM
Group hug, everybody. :)

Ripper014
01-12-2010, 12:59 PM
I think sometimes we could benefit for a live chat room for these discussions... while many times people post at odd hours... there are times when the posting is fast and furious and it feels like communicating with snail mail when we have better technology.

And at times we could probably make our points much more clear.

sureshs
01-12-2010, 12:59 PM
Only reason to tolerate him is if he lowers the per-head fees for the clinic. Otherwise best not to associate with such people.

gameboy
01-12-2010, 01:01 PM
Who said be a doormat? If this was a match situation, you should stand your ground and remind him that it is not his call.

But we are talking about a drill, not a match. You need to be selective about when to stand up for yourself because if you are the kind of person who take offense at such a non-event like this, the chances are pretty big that other people in the drill class is not thrilled with your behavior as well.

When you stand up for something, it should be because there is something riding on the line other than just your pride. Drill session is not the time to argue about line calls. It is as stupid as calling outs during warm-ups (and i've seen people do that).

Standing up for yourself is fine, but not when you are doing it 24/7.

Ripper014
01-12-2010, 01:07 PM
Who said be a doormat? If this was a match situation, you should stand your ground and remind him that it is not his call.

But we are talking about a drill, not a match. You need to be selective about when to stand up for yourself because if you are the kind of person who take offense at such a non-event like this, the chances are pretty big that other people in the drill class is not thrilled with your behavior as well.

When you stand up for something, it should be because there is something riding on the line other than just your pride. Drill session is not the time to argue about line calls. It is as stupid as calling outs during warm-ups (and i've seen people do that).

Standing up for yourself is fine, but not when you are doing it 24/7.


+1................................................ .....

Ripper014
01-12-2010, 01:12 PM
I was mistaken. While I do respect your opinions always ripper, and think you always make excellent points and contributions, I meant jrStriker. Sorry!:oops:

I still respect and will always adore Cindy.



Thanks I appreciate the comment... of late I have questioned how much I have wanted to contribute to the forum. I have become a lot more selective and have pretty much avoided posting in some threads all together. Better part of valor and all that... things can get pretty heated... and some of us need people to agree with our viewpoints.

Cindysphinx
01-12-2010, 01:27 PM
It is as stupid as calling outs during warm-ups (and i've seen people do that).


Yeah, what is up with that?

In my match today, we were warming up serves. My opponent served a couple of balls to me, which I pocketed. No issue, or so I thought. After a serve, she yelled something at me. "Huh?" I said. She repeated herself: "Was that serve in or out?" "In, I think." After that, she gave me a look after each of her warm-up serves, waiting for my call. I wasn't making a call on account of how it was warm-up. Also, I don't watch the lines during warm-up -- I watch other things, especially the ball so I can grab it on the first try and not waste time.

Please tell me it isn't normal or necessary to make line calls on warm-up serves. Please? I think these ladies play at a country club. Is it a country club thing?

The other quirky thing she did during the match was to make a huge throbbing big deal out of caught tosses. When she caught one of her errant tosses, she shouted, "BAD TOSS!" Oh, hey. Thanks for the heads up. :)

I guess every match needs some comic relief.

LeeD
01-12-2010, 01:33 PM
Watch pros warm up serves.
They don't even look up near the server, much less look at the ball.
Then the last couple 3, they look up and watch it fly by.
No calls, no returns, no catch. Nonchalant.

cak
01-12-2010, 03:39 PM
Please? I think these ladies play at a country club. Is it a country club thing?

My home club is a country club. Nope, not a country club thing.

Cindysphinx
01-12-2010, 03:40 PM
Standing up for yourself is fine, but not when you are doing it 24/7.

This could be a gender thing. It really could be.

The world is full of women who don't stand up for themselves. On anything, ever. I think many people on our planet just naturally assume that a woman won't confront, won't object, won't stand up for herself. But I do find myself in situations where people kind of jerk me around and are a bit surprised when I say something. I try to be nice, civil, reasonable and stone-cold correct and I tend to get good results.

I will give you a recent example.

I was circling downtown at noon, looking for a metered parallel spot, hoping to meet a friend for lunch in a few minutes. Lucky me, I see a guy walking to his car and I pull up behind him and wait for him to leave the space. He pulls out, I pull forward to back in. Sure enough, some guy in a truck pulls a George Costanza on me. He went into the spot front first, which prevented me from backing in.

I sat there in my car for a moment. Surely he saw me with my signal on and back-up lights on. It's just a parking spot during the noon rush; I could circle some more and eventually I would find a spot or could go to a pay lot, right? It's not "necessary" to have a confrontation over a parking spot, is it? It wasn't dark, it wasn't raining, the weather was fine. But it is also not right for someone to steal a person's parking spot either, is it?

I backed up until I was next to George Costanza's car and rolled down my passenger side window. I waited a few moments as he fiddled with something in his lap. He made eye contact and rolled down his window.

I said, "Excuse me, but I was backing into that spot. Didn't you see me?"

He said, "No, I didn't."

I said, "Yes, I was waiting with my back-up lights and signal on. In fact, I had to follow a guy to this spot and wiat for him to leave it. Would you mind leaving the spot so I can park?"

He glanced at his watch and said, "Oh, I'm sorry. Um, I have a meeting."

I said, "I have a meeting also."

He looked a bit sheepish and said, "All right."

And he left the parking space.

I bet he won't do that again. And I felt good about not being someone's doormat yet again and for sticking up for myself in a reasonable, civil manner.

Cindy -- who has finally learned to say the words, "Excuse me, I believe I was next" when someone cuts in line

JavierLW
01-12-2010, 03:52 PM
Obviously I agree with your point of view... but I would never drag someone else into it. I would just resolve it quickly by giving him the point... and moving forward. Like you said I could have been wrong... and it is just a drill. Even if it wasn't out, a line call is not going to change the world nor my life.

Id hate to say it but I agree with Cindy here.

If you (in the OP's) situation made the call that it was out, drill or no drill, you are not obliged to change your call.

If you do change your call not only are you being weak, you are just actually further charging these kinds of people up that you do not have the judgement to make your own calls.

Should you stand there and argue about it though, no you should not. But you dont have too.

Just make your call, when they ask, confirm it, and just move on to get ready for whatever it is you're supposed to be doing next. If they want to stand there and make some sort of tantrum or other form of entertainment let them do it on their own....

And typically we pay money for these types of drills and if some participant is making it not fun then it's not worth doing. Seeing how you seem to love to avoid conflict Im sure you could understand that.

The idea that we should all be weak and cave everytime someone calls us out that we are wrong just to make peace is silly. No, we dont have to make a big scene and go toe to toe with the guy on it, but there is nothing wrong with having enough respect for yourself to stand by what you saw.

I also wonder though where the pro was in all of this. In all of my competitive drills, whenever there was a disagreement on calls the pro just quickly corrected it. They seem to do that especially if they notice that it will cause a conflict.

(sort of like how when Im playing doubles and my partner is going to start getting upset about a call sometimes I confirm our opponents calls to him so he doesnt go ballistic)

JavierLW
01-12-2010, 04:01 PM
Who said be a doormat? If this was a match situation, you should stand your ground and remind him that it is not his call.

But we are talking about a drill, not a match. You need to be selective about when to stand up for yourself because if you are the kind of person who take offense at such a non-event like this, the chances are pretty big that other people in the drill class is not thrilled with your behavior as well.

When you stand up for something, it should be because there is something riding on the line other than just your pride. Drill session is not the time to argue about line calls. It is as stupid as calling outs during warm-ups (and i've seen people do that).

Standing up for yourself is fine, but not when you are doing it 24/7.

That statement really doesnt mean any sense, so you dont have enough respect for yourself 24/7 to stick to what you saw and believe in?

The OP is calling the ball out, doesnt matter what the situation is. Other player is calling him a liar if he wont accept his call.

Have enough respect for yourself to stand by what you say. If you were mistaken and you were unsure, then go ahead and give it to the other guy. But if you were sure then there is no reason on earth that you'd have to agree to lie about your own call.

You dont need to go toe to toe with the guy on it though. Just reaffirm your call and if they want to have a little tantrum let them, that's their problem not yours.

(in other words remain calm, once you've had your say go immediately to get ready for wherever you are supposed to be and move on, if he wont then the pro should say something.....)

Maybe you think it's okay to lie about your own call but most people wouldnt, that makes you look really weak and it makes people question your judgment even more. (if you are that unsure, maybe you are making other bad calls.....) Especially whiny little baby's like this guy who are just looking for anything to complain about.

Mister Goulash
01-12-2010, 05:22 PM
Your instructor should step in and handle the situation (or pass it onto the director). No need for you to get involved with any physco.

Wakenslam
01-12-2010, 05:43 PM
O the humanity! As I have reported before, I attend a very competitive clinic. Last night, playing Australian doubles (I was the single), I went for a lob, saw it hit just past the baseline and let it go. I called it out, and one of my opponents went beserk, then stomped off the court. I was ahead 8-3 (we play till 11) The remaining player and I continued, as the pro fed us balls, and afterward, I approached the player who stomped off.

I told him it was very unsportsman-like to pout and stomp off, and the ball was out. He said that all my calls were bad, and that's the only reason I had won all the singles matches I had played recently (40-5), none of which he had ever seen. This was the first time this player had ever questioned any of my line calls in the past year.

I just packed up my stuff and left, and told him I wouldn't be back, to which he said "good."

Good lord--where do these people come from? Mind you, I have encouraged this guy for months, given him some minor tips, as he is quite inexperienced and plays tennis like urban basketball, running past the ball, slamming it out of the court, slamming stuff into the net after running and leaping, and talking trash to people all the time, shouting at them as they are about to hit the ball.

WTF? I feel bad, because other than this idiot, the clinic has been very good. How do you handle these poor sports?

Are you 100% POSITIVE the ball was out? If so then you should feel just fine about calling it out. Walking off the court doesn't really enforce your position.

On another note --- Competitive Austrailian hhahahhehehehehahahahahaaaa that's an oxymoron

Steady Eddy
01-12-2010, 05:53 PM
I was circling downtown at noon, looking for a metered parallel spot, hoping to meet a friend for lunch in a few minutes. Lucky me, I see a guy walking to his car and I pull up behind him and wait for him to leave the space. He pulls out, I pull forward to back in. Sure enough, some guy in a truck pulls a George Costanza on me. He went into the spot front first, which prevented me from backing in.

Okay, I apologize for being way off topic, but I went to do some Xmas shopping at Best Buy. A car has its backup lights on, and I wait for the spot. A car starts to wait on the other side of the driver for the same spot! I'm wondering, "Doesn't he see that I've been waiting for this spot before him?" The driver backs up toward the other driver, so I'm able to pull into the spot anyway. As I'm walking to Best Buy the driver who didn't get the spot glares at me. Next time he circles, he glares at me again, so I gesture to him. He stops and I explain that I was waiting for the spot before him and that I didn't steal his spot. He's with his girlfriend and replies, "Good, 'cause that would be pretty ****ed up." Kind of implying that I was the one out of line. Then he found a spot and he and his girlfriend went in the direction of the movie theaters, he wasn't even a Best Buy customer!

Back to the subject. No you don't call the opponents serves in or out during warm up. Can't she tell at all? Also, you don't really care that much, you just want to warm up your arm.

athiker
01-12-2010, 06:00 PM
I wouldn't have changed my call if I was sure but wouldn't have approached him and said anything to him either. If he was in such a mental state that he stormed off he's doesn't want to hear anything I would have to say anyway. Double that if I knew his history and he was a "nutter" as described.

I have USTA league drilled into me...my side of the net, my call, move on. Now I have reversed myself before and apologized profusely even while awarding them the point. A heavy topspin ball for example that dips in hard that looked like it was for sure going to hit out...it can take a second to register that it really did dive in.

Yes, its a clinic, and in/out makes no real difference in my life, and its beyond me how anyone would explode like that, but I saw it go out, I call it out. I don't know if I care about teaching him a lesson he will probably never learn, or standing up for myself, or whatever...its not that big a life changing thing for me...and my demeanor would reflect that...its a ball that I saw land out and that's my call. They don't want to play a game that sometimes depends on another person's judgment they can go find something else to play...like solitaire.

raiden031
01-13-2010, 02:20 AM
There are two sides to every story. Maybe Klaus makes bad calls and doesn't do it on purpose. It seems a little odd that someone would get so angry over a call that isn't quite obviously the wrong one (as in its hard to clearly see a ball that lands just long of the baseline from the opposing side).

dlk
01-13-2010, 04:33 AM
Do you just enjoy confrontation..? Does it really matter if the ball was in or out? This is a drill class... it is all about hitting balls and learning something. You can have every point if it matters to you... I am just there to get something out of the class. If it feeds into his ego, all the power to him... I am content to work on my skills and take what I can from the class.

Life is way to short.

Once again, I totally agree with this philosophy. Ripper's posts are always on target.

Cindysphinx
01-13-2010, 06:23 AM
There are two sides to every story. Maybe Klaus makes bad calls and doesn't do it on purpose. It seems a little odd that someone would get so angry over a call that isn't quite obviously the wrong one (as in its hard to clearly see a ball that lands just long of the baseline from the opposing side).

If you'll recall Klaus' earlier series of posts about this guy, it seems pretty clear that the other guy is the problem.

Klaus
01-13-2010, 08:18 AM
This was not a bad call. I saw space between the ball and the line, and called it out. By the time I recovered from runniing to set up, and calling it out, my opponent had already exclaimed and stomped off the court. Neither the pro nor I had a chance to do anything. This nut is extremely competitive as I have explained repeatedly. We just continued playing. In the past, he looked to me for minor tips and assistance, and I had corrected some of his behavior that was disruptive, which he listened to. I do not like conforntation, but this guy needs guidance, and believe me, I have not been the only one to "guide" him. He is extremely immature at 28 or 29 or so, and also bet me $1,000.00 that he could beat me; which he later withdrew. Thanks for all of the comments, even the ones that make me less than the gentleman I thought I was.

sureshs
01-13-2010, 08:48 AM
Yeah, what is up with that?

In my match today, we were warming up serves. My opponent served a couple of balls to me, which I pocketed. No issue, or so I thought. After a serve, she yelled something at me. "Huh?" I said. She repeated herself: "Was that serve in or out?" "In, I think." After that, she gave me a look after each of her warm-up serves, waiting for my call. I wasn't making a call on account of how it was warm-up. Also, I don't watch the lines during warm-up -- I watch other things, especially the ball so I can grab it on the first try and not waste time.

Please tell me it isn't normal or necessary to make line calls on warm-up serves. Please? I think these ladies play at a country club. Is it a country club thing?

The other quirky thing she did during the match was to make a huge throbbing big deal out of caught tosses. When she caught one of her errant tosses, she shouted, "BAD TOSS!" Oh, hey. Thanks for the heads up. :)

I guess every match needs some comic relief.

I don't know about warmups, but when I am rallying with somebody, I will sometimes tell them not to hit my out balls. Same when practising serves. I need to know how I am doing.

skiracer55
01-13-2010, 10:21 AM
Your instructor should step in and handle the situation (or pass it onto the director). No need for you to get involved with any physco.


...it's not up to you to deal with the situation, it's the people running the show. All situations like this generally have a "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason", so it were my clinic, I'd have told this yo-yo..."That's it...you are no longer a part of this clinic, expect a refund in the mail."

According to your original post, this clown stomped off the court...if I were in your shoes, I'd have said "Problem solved...now let's have some fun on the tennis court." You went the extra mile and tried to discuss the situation with Attila the Hun after the clinic...which I probably wouldn't have done. He came out in your face again, which was predictable. You were fair and reasonable, he's a loose cannon.

At that point, I would have said "Suit yourself...let's agree to disagree and the next time around, you get to make all the calls, because I have a feeling you'll be the only one on the court." But you're a much nicer guy than I am, because I'm sure he'd have come back with something like "Oh yeah? Well, not only that, but your mother is fat and ugly, too."

To which I would have said "No, she's not, she's dead, and you're about to be. Let's take this one out in the parking lot..."

You gave the guy every chance to behave decently, and he didn't, and he isn't ever gonna either, IMHO. You're a good person, he's a bad person, but that doesn't mean it rubs off on you. As I and some other posters have noted, whoever's running the show should be taking care of the situation, not you. Personally, I'd go find another clinic just based on the fact that whoever is running the show needs a lesson in how to deal with disruptive kindergartners who Don't Play Well With Others. If you do elect to go back to this clinic and Mr. Big Stuff shows up again, I'd just make it real clear that you ain't gonna inhabit the same court with him. Life's too short to let idiots like this ruin your bliss, just put it behind you and drive on...

Ripper014
01-13-2010, 10:33 AM
Once again, I totally agree with this philosophy. Ripper's posts are always on target.

dlk is obviously a very, very, verrrrrrrrrrrrry smart highly educated person.... :lol:

But even a blind squirrel finds the occasional nut... words of wisdom can only be seen by people with similar viewpoints, to others the same wisdom would be accepted as the most stupid thing they ever heard. Sometimes I seem intelligent other times... I am seen as an idiot. I guess in truth I fall somewhere in the middle.

Only the most arrogant... (Dr Phil, Oprah) think they know everything.

dlk
01-13-2010, 04:34 PM
dlk is obviously a very, very, verrrrrrrrrrrrry smart highly educated person.... :lol:

But even a blind squirrel finds the occasional nut... words of wisdom can only be seen by people with similar viewpoints, to others the same wisdom would be accepted as the most stupid thing they ever heard. Sometimes I seem intelligent other times... I am seen as an idiot. I guess in truth I fall somewhere in the middle.

Only the most arrogant... (Dr Phil, Oprah) think they know everything.

Your opinions/analysis are steeped in solid logic that is hard to argue with; I've noticed everytime you post, I'm like "that's exactly what I'm thinking." I of course, could never express so succintly.

Ripper014
01-13-2010, 05:38 PM
Your opinions/analysis are steeped in solid logic that is hard to argue with; I've noticed everytime you post, I'm like "that's exactly what I'm thinking." I of course, could never express so succintly.

I think you do just fine expressing yourself, but it is always nice to know when one is not alone when stating one's opinions.

Sakkijarvi
01-14-2010, 10:42 AM
We have a new guy in one of my tennis situations that seems to fit Cindy's "nutter" description. He's new to a large group and started a hullabaloo over a line call, and talked about it for days, didn't blink when I tweaked him with 'the skinny chicks in the spinning class were talking about what happened'. Anywho, it's a doubles setting, partners mix it up. Not exactly Wimbledon...

So now that I have a chance to play with nutty buddy, it's 'whatever you want it to be' and he grabs a few points here and there.

I feel your pain Best Buy parking guy. Was going to an event in Cooperstown, baseball tournament, son and I running late. Guy backing out of a spot, only spot in the Doubleday lot and I sit there with signal on, window open pointing to spot. So some nutter (there's that term again) drives up my bumper, and I have to pull forward a bit to let the guy out of his spot. Nutter zips right into it.

I pull behind him, making me as guilty of engaging a nutcase as the OP, truly a model of futility. Tell him I'm running late with the kid, didn't you see me signaling... his reply is 'to bad, I got it'. Big dude with a redsox (a bad sign in and of itself) hat on, with a woman. Some kind of simian masculinity display or perhaps a prime a-h.

Put this guy on the tennis court challenging your line call and there you have it.

Ripper014
01-14-2010, 10:56 AM
We have a new guy in one of my tennis situations that seems to fit Cindy's "nutter" description. He's new to a large group and started a hullabaloo over a line call, and talked about it for days, didn't blink when I tweaked him with 'the skinny chicks in the spinning class were talking about what happened'. Anywho, it's a doubles setting, partners mix it up. Not exactly Wimbledon...

So now that I have a chance to play with nutty buddy, it's 'whatever you want it to be' and he grabs a few points here and there.

I feel your pain Best Buy parking guy. Was going to an event in Cooperstown, baseball tournament, son and I running late. Guy backing out of a spot, only spot in the Doubleday lot and I sit there with signal on, window open pointing to spot. So some nutter (there's that term again) drives up my bumper, and I have to pull forward a bit to let the guy out of his spot. Nutter zips right into it.

I pull behind him, making me as guilty of engaging a nutcase as the OP, truly a model of futility. Tell him I'm running late with the kid, didn't you see me signaling... his reply is 'to bad, I got it'. Big dude with a redsox (a bad sign in and of itself) hat on, with a woman. Some kind of simian masculinity display or perhaps a prime a-h.

Put this guy on the tennis court challenging your line call and there you have it.



There are bad guys all over... and some of them wear Yankee's hats... I do not condone bad manners, but the problem is bullies are bullies. It has been ingrained in them early in life they can get away with bad behaviour and in most cases they have. No matter what you do, large majority of them are unable to repair these conditioned responses... and if they could they wouldn't. The problem is they do not feel they did anything wrong... and they are entitled to what they do... they are the strong.

The question I ask... and I was going to bring this up with Cindy and her situation... what if your Sox's Fan is a having a bad day and toting a gun. In the end, who had the worst day... and was the price of being right worth it?

I guess what I am saying... like everything in life we have to do a balance sheet and decide for each of us... how important is this to me and at what price am I willing to pay for it.

Another thing just came to mind... when confronting a bully and getting him/her to back down... gives you a feeling of power. And power is addicting... as much as we all feel we would always do the right thing... do you think as some point the line between right and entitlement starts to fade...? I wonder if that is how bullying starts...?

precision2b
01-14-2010, 11:24 AM
I fully understand how others could feel differently, but I'm not with you on this, gameboy.

If you "avoid all unnecessary confrontation" in life, you are not necessarily a gentleman. You are without a doubt a Doormat.

Let's remember something here. This is a drill class. There is an unspoken rule in drill classes involving points and line calls: You don't question someone's line call, challenge them or otherwise imply that they are a cheater. You just don't. If my clinic mate calls my serve out when I am certain that it was inside the line, do you know what I do? **Nothing.** I don't ask "Are you sure?" I don't appeal to the pro. I don't raise an eyebrow. That's the mutual respect thing coupled with the let's-not-waste-time thing. If the ball was in by six inches, this guy shouldn't have said anything *and* definitely should not have gone berserk.

Once someone does choose to go berserk on you, then you gotta stand your ground if you can. The reason is two-fold: (1) Bullies have to learn that bullying doesn't work, and (2) standing up to a bully tends to stop the bully from bullying you next time. I suspect that if Klaus has the misfortune to play the Nutter again, the Nutter won't pull this stunt on Klaus. 'Cause it didn't work.

Cindy -- who isn't giving her lunch money to to bullies either

I agree with Cindy. And am not giving up my lunch money either...:grin:

Ripper014
01-14-2010, 11:39 AM
I agree with Cindy. And am not giving up my lunch money either...:grin:

If it makes you feel any better I am not giving up my lunch money either... but if we are talking about a line call during a practice session you are welcome to it.

Klaus
01-14-2010, 11:44 AM
Just an update. I am still not sure I will return, but I suppose I have to take this player's attitude either way with a grain of salt. My pro contacted me via e-mail to rectify the situation and to tell me what "Armen" (name changed to protect the nutrageous) said:

QUOTE: . . . "Actually 'Armen' said later on tonite after you left that you always kick his ***! But that all your help and encouragement from the past has helped him to keep working hard; and you have inspired him to get better because you always "kicked his ***"! . . .

AND ANOTHER: . . ."Armen" contacted me again and really wants to convey to you, what I conveyed from him to you in my last email. He said that you are a major asset to the clinic and the chief reason he comes. He said you are arguably the best player and it would be a grand loss if you didn't come anymore. Yes, true words from "Armen," the "wild man", who may have surpassed his record for out of control spills on the court in one outing.


What say you tennis chat board comrades?

Ripper014
01-14-2010, 11:48 AM
Just an update. I am still not sure I will return, but I suppose I have to take this player's attitude either way with a grain of salt. My pro contacted me via e-mail to rectify the situation and to tell me what "Armen" (name changed to protect the nutrageous) said:

QUOTE: . . . "Actually 'Armen' said later on tonite after you left that you always kick his ***! But that all your help and encouragement from the past has helped him to keep working hard; and you have inspired him to get better because you always "kicked his ***"! . . .

AND ANOTHER: . . ."Armen" contacted me again and really wants to convey to you, what I conveyed from him to you in my last email. He said that you are a major asset to the clinic and the chief reason he comes. He said you are arguably the best player and it would be a grand loss if you didn't come anymore. Yes, true words from "Armen," the "wild man", who may have surpassed his record for out of control spills on the court in one outing.


What say you tennis chat board comrades?


Simple answer to this question... who misses out by you not going to the clinic...?

precision2b
01-14-2010, 12:02 PM
If it makes you feel any better I am not giving up my lunch money either... but if we are talking about a line call during a practice session you are welcome to it.

Times getting hard (gas prices, food, so on and so on) May take you up on itů:lol:

Spokewench
01-14-2010, 12:17 PM
It does seem like this guy is a "nutter" and there are always people like that.

I play in a lot of drill/clinic situations. There are a couple of people who come to those drills situations that just have to win (very competitive). Usually, in a drill situation, you often times are counting points dependent on what the drill is that you are doing; and I think that the point of counting points in a drill situation is to try to make yourself more consistent and more competent at whatever the drill is working on. After all, drills are "drills", they are designed to repeat a certain movement, stroke production, whatever and to help you improve that certain movement or stroke production.

I use drills for this purpose, not all people can give up the competitive idea of "i'm here to win", not "i'm here to learn and make myself more able to create and execute shots.

For those people who are there to win only, it is very different and they have a hard time letting go.

So, for me, if someone thinks a ball is in for a drill and they take a point in a drill, I don't really care. I am not there to win; I am there to make my game better. I will not argue, it only takes time away from why I am there; to practice and get better.

Now, playing a competitive match is different.

My 2 cents.

Ripper014
01-14-2010, 12:45 PM
Times getting hard (gas prices, food, so on and so on) May take you up on itů:lol:

Times are hard... (gas prices, food, so on and so on), hmmm... gas prices here are at about $1.12 per liter or about $4.48 a gallon. But we Canadians are friendly folk... if you need the point you may have it... just ask.

Brock
01-14-2010, 12:56 PM
O the humanity! As I have reported before, I attend a very competitive clinic. Last night, playing Australian doubles (I was the single), I went for a lob, saw it hit just past the baseline and let it go. I called it out, and one of my opponents went beserk, then stomped off the court. I was ahead 8-3 (we play till 11) The remaining player and I continued, as the pro fed us balls, and afterward, I approached the player who stomped off.

I told him it was very unsportsman-like to pout and stomp off, and the ball was out. He said that all my calls were bad, and that's the only reason I had won all the singles matches I had played recently (40-5), none of which he had ever seen. This was the first time this player had ever questioned any of my line calls in the past year.

I just packed up my stuff and left, and told him I wouldn't be back, to which he said "good."

Good lord--where do these people come from? Mind you, I have encouraged this guy for months, given him some minor tips, as he is quite inexperienced and plays tennis like urban basketball, running past the ball, slamming it out of the court, slamming stuff into the net after running and leaping, and talking trash to people all the time, shouting at them as they are about to hit the ball.

WTF? I feel bad, because other than this idiot, the clinic has been very good. How do you handle these poor sports?



Klaus,
I feel where your coming from, but I don't think it should discourage you from going- life is life and @$$HOL3S are @$$HOLES, you shouldn't let that incident ruin your tennnis experience. If I were you'd, I'd go there and play, and if you ever play with the guy, just play with be polite, kill him with kindness. And, who knows, maybe he was just in a bad mood that day.

stapletonj
01-15-2010, 05:23 AM
Why is the guy having the club pro as a go between?

He sounds like a very macho kinda guy, thinks of himself as a "man's man".

nothing wrong with that. BUT a "man's man" would NEVER EVER apologize through an intermediary!

I would tell the pro that if he wants to have a talk with you, he is welcome to come by or call at anytime. Frankly, if it were me that had acted that badly, I ouwld arrange to apologize to you publicly in front of everybody that was there that day, no matter what I had to do to arrange it.

PushyPushster
01-15-2010, 08:27 AM
I pull behind him, making me as guilty of engaging a nutcase as the OP, truly a model of futility. Tell him I'm running late with the kid, didn't you see me signaling... his reply is 'to bad, I got it'. Big dude with a redsox (a bad sign in and of itself) hat on, with a woman. Some kind of simian masculinity display or perhaps a prime a-h.


Keys aren't just for starting your car, my friend.

West Coast Ace
01-15-2010, 03:25 PM
Just an update....


What say you tennis chat board comrades?Pro has bills to pay. Unless he can arrange for the 'clown' to apologize in front of (almost) everyone who was there, and assuming you have some practice options, I take my business elsewhere. Hardly worth it. Now you're spending time thinking about silly stuff - how to handle 'unique' personalities - and not how to handle deep balls to your backhand - aka the priorities of life.

Ripper014
01-15-2010, 03:47 PM
Pro has bills to pay. Unless he can arrange for the 'clown' to apologize in front of (almost) everyone who was there, and assuming you have some practice options, I take my business elsewhere. Hardly worth it. Now you're spending time thinking about silly stuff - how to handle 'unique' personalities - and not how to handle deep balls to your backhand - aka the priorities of life.

I think to ask the Pro to get the clown to apologize is beyond what I would expect. The Pro is just there to provide an safe and positive enviroment for all participants. What I would expect the Pro to do is handle the situation and the moment it happened, hopefully in a calm manner and defuse any potentially larger issues.

The very least I would expect would be for the Pro to take the clown aside and explain to him if he cannot behave himself he would no longer be welcome.

West Coast Ace
01-15-2010, 03:53 PM
I think to ask the Pro to get the clown to apologize is beyond what I would expect.I guess I should have prefaced my statement about the apology with "I am a cynic and doubt those 'conversations' happened between the Nutter and the Pro. The pro is just trying not to lose a client - and $$$."

As I said before, if this wasn't the only show in town, I would have finished the workout, thanked all the mature adults who participated and hung around for the whole time and helped me work on my game, then left and never gone back. If that pro wants to let the inmates run the asylum, that's fine for him. I'll pass.

equinox
01-15-2010, 04:31 PM
There wouldn't be any conflict. I would just point my finger and line up for the next point. If he wants to leave, fine.

The issue, IMHO, is whether you are going to reward Bad Behavior by caving in. I wouldn't. You can if you want.

agreed. he can't let this jerk have his way. It's better that this jerk learns now that people are human and make bad calls.

It's a clinic! how will this jerk cope in a match when he encounters a hardcore life cheater.

ultimately it's your call to make, you honestly felt the ball was out, so you're fine with yourself, fck him.