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Shaolin
04-24-2005, 06:49 PM
Has anyone ever heard of this guy (Brian Battistone)? He throws the ball up with his right hand then transfers the racquet before hitting. Pretty funny. Serious hang time...

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tennis.info/images/Star3/02Sat/Davis0070.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tennis.info/Star2003Sat1.asp&h=505&w=336&sz=29&tbnid=FrUB16RLttYJ:&tbnh=128&tbnw=85&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtres%2Bdavis%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3 DG


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hummer23
04-24-2005, 07:01 PM
indeed, taht is quite stupid. a highly ranked high school player here in new jeresy, dan urban of newark academy does teh same thing. he plays righty but serve lefty or soem such garbage. sad thing is, hes pretty good.

sliceroni
04-24-2005, 07:05 PM
Hey, I say whatever works and gets the job done. If he's kicking my ***** w/ that serve I'm not going to complain.

wahiawaboi668
04-24-2005, 07:11 PM
it looks like a volleyball jump serve.

Power Game
04-24-2005, 07:12 PM
What's the point of it? Is his left arm that bad that he can't toss consistently with it or is he just trying to be different?

hummer23
04-24-2005, 07:12 PM
i dot understand why someone would do that, (refering to teh picture) does he have issues tossing with his left hand, complete lack of coordination? does he hit a 2 handed backhand?

gmlasam
04-24-2005, 07:40 PM
That is an interesting serve.....like a hybrid jumping volley ball serve. He was probably a volley ball player originally.

It maybe the next big thing after the obreviated serve.

POGO
04-24-2005, 07:52 PM
i dot understand why someone would do that, (refering to teh picture) does he have issues tossing with his left hand, complete lack of coordination? does he hit a 2 handed backhand?

Hmmmm...so are you implying that ppl that have two handed backhands lack coordination also? BTW...the majority of tour ATP pros have 2handed backhands. ;)

mishadude
04-24-2005, 08:28 PM
Can't imagine he'd be able to jump like that for more than a set or two

gregraven
04-24-2005, 08:32 PM
I've seen him play several times at the Costa Mesa Tennis Center, and although his game is unorthodox, he's no less successful than many others at the Futures level. By the way, he can perform his leaping serve for three long sets. And if you think his oversize-head racquet is odd, last year he was playing racquets modified to have two handles (arranged in a U shape). Nice guy, too.

atatu
04-24-2005, 08:39 PM
Thanks for posting that site, really enjoyed checking out all the pictures, does anyone know if this guy Kevin Arias is related to Jimmy Arias ? He looks just like him, but he's too old to be his son and too young to be a brother....http://www.tennis.info/Star2004Q2.asp

Prince_of_Tennis
04-24-2005, 08:52 PM
That is an interesting serve.....like a hybrid jumping volley ball serve. He was probably a volley ball player originally.

It maybe the next big thing after the obreviated serve.

But you aren't allowed to run like volleyball...

Prince_of_Tennis
04-24-2005, 08:58 PM
I've seen him play several times at the Costa Mesa Tennis Center, and although his game is unorthodox, he's no less successful than many others at the Futures level. By the way, he can perform his leaping serve for three long sets. And if you think his oversize-head racquet is odd, last year he was playing racquets modified to have two handles (arranged in a U shape). Nice guy, too.


what the heck.....I got to see a picture

lacoster
04-24-2005, 09:05 PM
I am curious to know what his tennis history is. Did he grow up playing tennis or another sport (beach volleyball maybe)? And, who the heck taught him how to serve? The abbreviated serve is taught by teaching pros to correct hitches in the serve, especially with young juniors who have 'whippy' racquet head control. I definitely had that phase when I was in the 14's. It's been around for as long as I can remember.
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Andy Hewitt
04-24-2005, 09:28 PM
He uses a western/semi-western grip!! =O

AndrewD
04-25-2005, 03:37 AM
Interesting pics, what tournament is it taken from? Actually, having a look at some of them they have caught a lot of the players at their least graceful. Looks a little like a day out for the special squad LOL.

Something else that's interesting from those pics is the number of players who use the Wilson Hyper Pro Staff (think thats the right name, the red one?). Another thread was asking what was most popular and the assumption was Babolat but those pics show a different story. Got a few Babs in there and some Head frames but quite a lot of Wilson as well.

nViATi
04-25-2005, 06:08 AM
lots of i.prestiges too

Kaptain Karl
04-25-2005, 06:59 AM
The link no longer shows the player you mention in your OP.

Many years ago, I knew a guy in Albama who played decent HS tennis. He tossed and served with the same arm ... because he had a birth defect which left him "hand-less" on the other arm. He'd hold the racket in the crook of his elbow ... toss ... grab the racket and serve. He had a pretty decent serve, too.

- KK

norcal
04-25-2005, 07:27 AM
The link no longer shows the player you mention in your OP.

Many years ago, I knew a guy in Albama who played decent HS tennis. He tossed and served with the same arm ... because he had a birth defect which left him "hand-less" on the other arm. He'd hold the racket in the crook of his elbow ... toss ... grab the racket and serve. He had a pretty decent serve, too.

- KK
direct link:
http://www.tennis.info/Star2003Sun1.asp

Super funky!

Shaolin
04-25-2005, 08:07 AM
Interesting pics, what tournament is it taken from? Actually, having a look at some of them they have caught a lot of the players at their least graceful. Looks a little like a day out for the special squad LOL.

Something else that's interesting from those pics is the number of players who use the Wilson Hyper Pro Staff (think thats the right name, the red one?). Another thread was asking what was most popular and the assumption was Babolat but those pics show a different story. Got a few Babs in there and some Head frames but quite a lot of Wilson as well.

This is the tournament the pics are from...

http://www.tennis.info/StarIsland.asp

fastdunn
04-25-2005, 08:18 AM
I actually thought about tossing with my right hand or serving with
my left hand when my past injury on my left shoulder makes me
never able to do consistent toss...

@wright
04-25-2005, 08:18 AM
No one noticed the racquet? Friends don't let friends play with sledgehammers.

thatballwas_IN
04-25-2005, 08:30 AM
what is this racquet... several players were using them..


http://www.tennis.info/images/Star3/02Sat/Heyl0172.jpg
http://www.tennis.info/images/Star3/02Sat/Heyl0172.jpg

Ariel
04-25-2005, 11:43 AM
Sure his serve may look ********, but if he owned you on the court, you'd be the one looking ********.

I'm sick and tired of this posts that does relate a pro -or a semi pro- with us, the posters of this forum. Of course we will blow me out of the court; tennis is probably the best thing that guy does... And the 1000th player in the world will blow me out of the court too; that doesn't impede me to analize , criticize and state my opinions on any subject, even if that means to say the word '********' to a guy that probably is looking for attention more than for a tennis career. I can separate myself from my opinions, can you, Joe?

Kaptain Karl
04-25-2005, 12:52 PM
Thanks for reposting the link, norcal.

I'd surely like to see Battistone in live play. Very different.

As a former volleyball coach, I'd agree with those who suggested the connection. Even more than Jump Serve form, Battistone's form is quite good for a Spike.

- KK

DashaandSafin
04-25-2005, 05:20 PM
Dan Urban isnt that good...wasnt that impressed when i saw him Vivek was 10x better.

fleabitten
04-25-2005, 07:27 PM
http://www.tennis.info/images/Star3/03Sun/BattistoneServe3-9868.jpg

goober
04-26-2005, 05:11 AM
I wonder how long though he can keep up that jump serve. Deep into a match that goes 3-4 hours that jump serve is probably going to break down.

tykrum
04-26-2005, 07:49 AM
Sorry this has nothing to do with the post, but I found it really amazing that the third player down on the page lives 45 minutes from my hometown, and he went to high school in my old conference. One of my buddies cheated him out of the 1997 conference title by hooking him all the time. He won state in 1999, and I think he won D3 doubles one year. Now he's trying to play doubles on the pro tour I think. A couple years ago when I was in HS, he even complemented my best friend on 'how much better he's gotten', after my friend beat his younger brother in the conference meet. Sorry, I digress.

http://www.tennis.info/images/Star3/Butorac9244.jpg

morganman
04-27-2005, 11:38 AM
someone needs to give him sampras' old 85 sq. in. racquet and watch how many times he will miss lol then maybe he will try and hit a normal serve :p also isnt there something in the rule book about serving like that i remember an article in tennis magaizine about how you arent allowed to serve like that but idk he obivoulsy hasnt gotten called on it.

edberg505
04-27-2005, 11:56 AM
if he is standing still and jumping that high there is nothing in the rule book that says that he can't do that. however if his somehow running then jumping into his serve, that is illegal.

Prince_of_Tennis
04-27-2005, 12:19 PM
Yah no running serves. If he is standing still damn white boy can jump...

SMASHER
04-27-2005, 01:00 PM
looks weird, but if it work why change. People questioned roddick service motion early on.....look at him now!

gregraven
04-27-2005, 01:10 PM
I wonder how long though he can keep up that jump serve. Deep into a match that goes 3-4 hours that jump serve is probably going to break down.

As I posted earlier, I've seen him serve consistently this way in long matches.

@wright
04-27-2005, 01:14 PM
Shaolin, that's really just you, right? You're just trying to get our opinions on your serve!

Shaolin
04-27-2005, 04:16 PM
Man @wright, thats just cold. Here I thought you were my friend and all.

soyelmocano
04-27-2005, 08:05 PM
Different, but not unbelievable. As a vball player, I'd say it comes from vball too. Look at the legs and the waist, as if he were getting ready to pike (though you're taught not to do that in tennis).
People in vball thought my serve looked funny because it was somewhat like a tennis serve. However, there were some pretty good players that had trouble with it. Sometimes some of the girls from the UGA team would play with us. Several of them told me they would rather receive most guy's hard jump serve than mine. Too bad I couldn't spike worth nuttin'.

I also played with someone who served like this. Like someone posted earler, this person only had half of his left arm so he would hold the racquet under his left while he tossed.

0.2RatedPlayer
04-27-2005, 09:30 PM
a lot of these guys aren't even looking at the ball

sandiegotennisboy
04-27-2005, 11:05 PM
i showed it to my friends and we started cracking up cuz its so moronic. why on earth... lol. whatever floats yo boat, but i think its gonna sink.

Kaptain Karl
04-28-2005, 06:02 AM
a lot of these guys aren't even looking at the ballIf you were to see several pics (like most of these) of the top pros you'd notice the same "problem". We are always told something like, "See the ball hit the strings." Technically it isn't possible. Your eyes simply cannot track an 80mph (plus) ball TO your strings.

The "see it hit" tip simply gets the student to track the ball longer. Many beginners -- so eager to see the result of the shot they are hitting -- look over the net before they've even made contact. Usually, this "premature shot admiration" causes them to move their head ... damaging their swing ... resulting in a bad shot. Advanced players are disciplined to track the ball better with their eyes -- resulting in fewer errors.

Look at forehand pics (like many in the link starting this thread) of Roger, Andre, Marat, Lleyton, et al. You'll notice the same phenomenon you observed above.

- KK

Thomas
04-28-2005, 02:21 PM
I know a kid that serves right, hits left; he's very good. It's just an issue with hand dominance.

kreative
04-28-2005, 04:24 PM
The link no longer shows the player you mention in your OP.

Many years ago, I knew a guy in Albama who played decent HS tennis. He tossed and served with the same arm ... because he had a birth defect which left him "hand-less" on the other arm. He'd hold the racket in the crook of his elbow ... toss ... grab the racket and serve. He had a pretty decent serve, too.

- KK

i also knew a player like this, and he had a wicked lefty kick serve.

kreative
04-28-2005, 04:25 PM
what is this racquet... several players were using them..


http://www.tennis.info/images/Star3/02Sat/Heyl0172.jpg
http://www.tennis.info/images/Star3/02Sat/Heyl0172.jpg

i think hyper hammer 5.2?

scez
04-28-2005, 05:34 PM
I like the pic of the only Canadian.

http://www.tennis.info/images/Star4/Q2/Sadovich2019.jpg

LN_Dad
11-05-2006, 07:36 PM
I saw Battistone play in person today and he only did this jump serve a few times a set. He has a normal looking first serve that looks slow by pro standard but his opponent wasn't that tough so he did the jump serve whenever he felt like showing off a little. What's amazing is how high in the air he got when he hit the ball. This serve is definitely a lot faster than his conventional first serve.

hoosierbr
11-05-2006, 08:34 PM
The fact that he can do all that work and get the ball in play with some pace is pretty impressive. Hey, if it works then more power to him! God knows I tweaked with my serve, still do actually. Whatever works for you.

power_play21
11-06-2006, 01:02 AM
Wtf, Is That Guy A Pro And If Soo Why Is He Using An Old Mans Stick

wow. he uses a rocket launcher. lol.

Duzza
11-06-2006, 01:25 AM
Hahha it's awesome!

boojay
11-06-2006, 02:23 AM
man, that is so cool, I wanna see a vid of that. I wonder how hard he can hit that thing. Also consider how much bounce that baby would have.

Possibly revolution of tennis yet again?

marc
11-06-2006, 01:01 PM
some guy said it looks ugly...actually in person it is not ugly. its a really athletic motion...from a biomechanical standpoint there is a significant weight transfer and load that results in incredible explosiveness and ultimately power.

word is that brian was just messing around one day at practice and that is how the motion came about...

it is also pretty funny seeing some of those "players" (and I use that term loosely when it comes to some of them) in the other pictures...brings back memories!

prostaff18
11-06-2006, 01:26 PM
Wouldnt it be easy to read. I mean you couldnt really do anything with that except smash it. But just think if you never played him before and never seen him play then the first serve of the match he dose that, what would you do. That would be crazy!

edmondsm
11-11-2006, 12:43 PM
If the old theory of "simpler is better" is true than this is the worst way you could serve. Seems like there are a million things that could go wrong.

FREDDY
11-11-2006, 02:34 PM
its a volleyball serve.

Roforot
11-11-2006, 05:22 PM
its a volleyball serve.

I don't mind the jumping, maybe that will be wave of future? Imagine Ivo Karlovic jumping up and smashing a ball at you! But why can't he toss the ball w/ left hand? In volleyball, do you have to toss w/ same hand you hit?

LN_Dad
11-11-2006, 05:31 PM
I don't mind the jumping, maybe that will be wave of future? Imagine Ivo Karlovic jumping up and smashing a ball at you! But why can't he toss the ball w/ left hand? In volleyball, do you have to toss w/ same hand you hit?

His toss is about 12ft in the air so it can be done more accurately with his right hand. What's impressive is that his first serve percentage is pretty high when he uses this jump serve. He lost in 3 sets yesterday but he put on quite a show with his jump serve and volley game.

maverick66
11-11-2006, 07:01 PM
where is this guy playing. i know or have played against most of the guys on that site and dont know him.

LN_Dad
11-11-2006, 07:57 PM
where is this guy playing. i know or have played against most of the guys on that site and dont know him.

He plays many Open money tourneys on the west coast. This weekend he's playing in the Top Gun tournament at the Racquet club of Irvine. He lost to Vince Mackey in three sets but Mackey really had to work hard to beat him. Do you know any guys in this draw?

http://tournaments.usta.com/tournaments/Draws/EventDraw.aspx?T=48148&E=41

maverick66
11-12-2006, 07:27 AM
no i dont. alot of those guys on that site either live in florida or play futures. i dont know the west coast to well.

LN_Dad
11-12-2006, 07:35 AM
no i dont. alot of those guys on that site either live in florida or play futures. i dont know the west coast to well.

It's one of the toughest draws in an Open tournament. More than half of these guys have or had ATP rankings at one time.

tennis_nerd22
11-12-2006, 07:39 AM
Has anyone ever heard of this guy (Brian Battistone)? He throws the ball up with his right hand then transfers the racquet before hitting. Pretty funny. Serious hang time...

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tennis.info/images/Star3/02Sat/Davis0070.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tennis.info/Star2003Sat1.asp&h=505&w=336&sz=29&tbnid=FrUB16RLttYJ:&tbnh=128&tbnw=85&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtres%2Bdavis%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3 DG


scroll down to the bottom under Sunday Jan 19.

friggin awesome! i wish i could do that..

lagoonkeh
07-11-2007, 02:40 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y6KIcninzIk

yeah this is the video i shot of him doing his serve he went the the Q's and beat everyone else like 2 and 3

J-man
07-11-2007, 04:47 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y6KIcninzIk

yeah this is the video i shot of him doing his serve he went the the Q's and beat everyone else like 2 and 3It's the first time I saw this. Huge toss. Very poweerful. But it looks like he can't get any variety off of it other than flat serve.

J-man
07-11-2007, 04:48 PM
My question is why do all of that when he can just use his right hand to start off with?

LN_Dad
07-11-2007, 09:25 PM
My question is why do all of that when he can just use his right hand to start off with?

Don't understand what you're asking. He's using his right hand for the toss because he can do it more accurately with his dominant hand.

TheNatural
07-11-2007, 10:10 PM
after he throws the ball up, he takes a step forward to help him spring into the jump, is that allowed?

lagoonkeh
07-12-2007, 12:32 PM
well i was actually a ball boy for the tournament i saw it first hand he doesn't move most of the time he just moves his right foot next to his left foot and jumps up like a volleyball player smashes it jon isner was at the tournament too both of the hit from 1 story up in the air so it also bounces really high too

Eviscerator
07-12-2007, 12:51 PM
:o :o :o ..

J-man
07-12-2007, 01:24 PM
Don't understand what you're asking. He's using his right hand for the toss because he can do it more accurately with his dominant hand.Okay. But can't he just toss it with his left like a righty would?

theballboy
07-12-2007, 01:50 PM
Okay. But can't he just toss it with his left like a righty would?

I'm assuming such a high toss is difficult with your non dominant hand.

sm-2004
07-12-2007, 02:30 PM
interesting...

Maybe the guy just has an injury and cant toss the ball with his left arm

strcmp
07-12-2007, 05:04 PM
Has anyone ever heard of this guy (Brian Battistone)? He throws the ball up with his right hand then transfers the racquet before hitting. Pretty funny. Serious hang time...

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tennis.info/images/Star3/02Sat/Davis0070.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tennis.info/Star2003Sat1.asp&h=505&w=336&sz=29&tbnid=FrUB16RLttYJ:&tbnh=128&tbnw=85&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtres%2Bdavis%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3 DG


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deleted.. n/m.

Zets147
07-12-2007, 05:09 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=y6KIcninzIk

yeah this is the video i shot of him doing his serve he went the the Q's and beat everyone else like 2 and 3

Wow that is a high toss. Pretty good launch into the court also.

AAUS
07-12-2007, 07:01 PM
volleyball players are taught to toss the ball with the hand their most comfortable with and sometimes its their hitting arm, so if he just adapted his vball serve thats probably why he throws with the hitting arm

iamke55
07-12-2007, 07:32 PM
It's not proper technique. I don't know why, but Federer doesn't use this technique so it's horrible. Nobody who does this has won any Grand Slams, and even if I'm wrong and someone has, it doesn't matter since Federer and Sampras won way more slams using a proper technique. There's a good reason Federer has 11 slams and this guy has 0.

tursafinov
07-12-2007, 08:27 PM
In that picture his racquet is strung like a racquetball style - the strings get narrower at the bottom.

In the youtube video he had a proper racquet (looked like tecnifibre).

I'm surprised no one commented on the stringing.
Is that legal?

~Tursa

JW10S
07-12-2007, 08:59 PM
I saw him do a short exhibition at an event where he was promoting a racquet that had two handles (the one he is using in the youtube clip). He was able to hit right and left handed forehands equally well with it as well as serve right or left handed.

nBladed
07-12-2007, 09:31 PM
Yeah, I also saw this guy play in Top Gun. I was amazed that he can last that long doing that serve. And as mentioned before, he doesn't do it all the time.

But he gets a wicked trajectory on the ball, because he is so high up in the air slapping it down. After it hits the court it bounces head high.

But the guy he lost to, got used to it, took it early and slapped it back.

TheNatural
07-12-2007, 09:43 PM
does he hit second serves like that too?

lagoonkeh
07-12-2007, 10:46 PM
does he hit second serves like that too?



yeah like everyone else said he doesn't use it all the time

the racket is not a name brand racket when i had it in my hands i was looking for a manufacturer's name but there isn't one


the story i got from my friends and his girlfriend is totally different

the one he gave my friend was that he's also a pro volleyball player amadextrious and dunks a basketball with ease and he's dad makes the racket for him


the one the girlfriend gave me when i was talking to her was that his right handed trained his left hand to use a one handed fore hand on both sides and that his buddy makes his racket and he's promoting it and loves it when you ask him questions and spread the word about that racket



the tournament director didn't say anything was illegal about that serve or his racket he did make it to the quarterfinals like that and was seeded 6th


and i was wrong about his jump :( he takes off with his left leg

TheNatural
07-13-2007, 01:41 AM
Good stuff. Good to see a bit of inovation. If his ranking goes up he can get a good shoe sponsor as it's hard not to stand out with that jumping serve.

It looks like he's got no choice but to serve volley with that serve.

I wander how much extra height he gets on the serve compared to a normal serve.

yeah like everyone else said he doesn't use it all the time

the racket is not a name brand racket when i had it in my hands i was looking for a manufacturer's name but there isn't one


the story i got from my friends and his girlfriend is totally different

the one he gave my friend was that he's also a pro volleyball player amadextrious and dunks a basketball with ease and he's dad makes the racket for him


the one the girlfriend gave me when i was talking to her was that his right handed trained his left hand to use a one handed fore hand on both sides and that his buddy makes his racket and he's promoting it and loves it when you ask him questions and spread the word about that racket



the tournament director didn't say anything was illegal about that serve or his racket he did make it to the quarterfinals like that and was seeded 6th


and i was wrong about his jump :( he takes off with his left leg

Volly master
07-13-2007, 03:31 AM
It's not proper technique. I don't know why, but Federer doesn't use this technique so it's horrible. Nobody who does this has won any Grand Slams, and even if I'm wrong and someone has, it doesn't matter since Federer and Sampras won way more slams using a proper technique. There's a good reason Federer has 11 slams and this guy has 0.

who gives. Hes out there, winning matches on the Futures/Challenger Level. Hes making the best of him self. Who gives if its not proper, Santoros game is far from proper. We've never seen a single stoke out of this guy other then this serve and couple of over heads.

And if your going by everything Federer does, then your nothing, than an obsessed fanboy/girl/whatever.

emcee
07-13-2007, 05:10 AM
Dan Urban isnt that good...wasnt that impressed when i saw him Vivek was 10x better.

Hey you know what happened to Vivek? Is he playing in college or anything?

He once shook my hand...and our Edison team almost beat EB one year in states. Of course, Vivek beat our #1 singles in about 30 minutes...

dukemunson
07-13-2007, 11:23 AM
who gives. Hes out there, winning matches on the Futures/Challenger Level. Hes making the best of him self. .

Just to play devils advocate he's not...he's won one match in the last year giving him a grand total of one point...