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BigHitterSE
01-19-2010, 01:23 PM
Pro Line II seems to have everything I have been looking for - Comfort, Durability, Tension Maintenance, Mix of Power & Control

If you have hit with Pro Line II and have found another Poly that is better, please tell me which string you prefer and why.

I am currently playing Pro Line II 1.25 - I think it's the perfect poly

PKUSA
01-19-2010, 01:31 PM
I agree that Pro Line 2 is a great poly. I have the 1.20 and I can't believe how comfortable and durable it is. I can't find anything wrong with it. The price is great too. And yes, it does have solid tension maint.

Fedace
01-19-2010, 01:33 PM
i only wish it bites the ball better

TennisandMusic
01-19-2010, 01:59 PM
i only wish it bites the ball better

???

Man PLII has great bite.

JavierLW
01-19-2010, 02:06 PM
I agree that Pro Line 2 is a great poly. I have the 1.20 and I can't believe how comfortable and durable it is. I can't find anything wrong with it. The price is great too. And yes, it does have solid tension maint.

How long does it last you before it starts to go dead?

I was thinking of trying it but Im afraid of having to string it every other week like most polys.

chaddles
01-19-2010, 07:11 PM
I like PLII quite a bit, and use the 17g a bit. Would not say that it is the best though, quite good bang for your buck. Better poly's that I have been using are Prince EXP 17, M2 Pro, Touch Turbo 17, and SP Hyperion are all better poly's than PLII IMO.

Jonny S&V
01-19-2010, 07:13 PM
i only wish it bites the ball better

???

Man PLII has great bite.

This really, REALLY hurts me, but I've got to agree with Fedace. I found no spin in PLII, and the power level was too much for me...

BigT
01-19-2010, 07:29 PM
For me it played great for 5 hours, and then went completely dead. Almost all the other strings I carry from PolyStar, Topspin, and MSV play equally as good for a longer time, and cost 1/3 less.

Ron Insana
01-19-2010, 09:03 PM
I have to chime in on this one. I am about halfway through my poly journey and PLII is by far the best I have found so far. The thing that stands out most about this string is the feel. It is extremely precise, like you can feel each individual string grab the ball. The bite is as good as I have tried from any string. Just look at the board and the reviews here. How many references to “perfect” are there?Although, there is no ‘perfect’ poly, this one has got to be the best 'all-round' poly. There are plenty of niche strings that specialize in spin, control, comfort, or power. But this one does everything very well, especially for bite and feel. It is stiff, but not overly so. It has enough “body” to allow you to feel everything without being at all painful to your arm. Control wise it is only slightly below Pro Hurricane. The sound is raw, not muted like Cyberblue . My only complaint is that it's playable life is only average. I am pretty picky about my strings and I typically can only get 10 hours out of any poly string before having to cut them out. While PLII does not lose much tension, it does turn a stiff dead but still not as dead as other strings from Luxilon and Topspin. I am trying Big Ace in the morning so I will report later on how that compares to PLII.

Jonny S&V
01-19-2010, 09:21 PM
I have to chime in on this one. I am about halfway through my poly journey and PLII is by far the best I have found so far. The thing that stands out most about this string is the feel. It is extremely precise, like you can feel each individual string grab the ball. The bite is as good as I have tried from any string. Just look at the board and the reviews here. How many references to “perfect” are there?Although, there is no ‘perfect’ poly, this one has got to be the best 'all-round' poly. There are plenty of niche strings that specialize in spin, control, comfort, or power. But this one does everything very well, especially for bite and feel. It is stiff, but not overly so. It has enough “body” to allow you to feel everything without being at all painful to your arm. Control wise it is only slightly below Pro Hurricane. The sound is raw, not muted like Cyberblue . My only complaint is that it's playable life is only average. I am pretty picky about my strings and I typically can only get 10 hours out of any poly string before having to cut them out. While PLII does not lose much tension, it does turn a stiff dead but still not as dead as other strings from Luxilon and Topspin. I am trying Big Ace in the morning so I will report later on how that compares to PLII.

Ever try Topspin Cyberflash or Signum Pro Poly Plasma? Two of the the most highly reviewed strings on this board, and I love both of them (but I went for the far cheaper alternative).

dadozen
01-20-2010, 09:38 AM
I've tried a number of polys( Big Ace, Big Ace Micro, SPPP, SPPP Pure, MSV focus Hex, and some others ) and none of them compare to PLII, for what I need in a good string.

Are there cheaper choices? Yes. But PLII 1.15 is just perfect for me. Since I don't play for several hours a week anymore, it breaks before it dies. I just hate having to cut stringjobs.

DrewRafter8
01-20-2010, 10:02 AM
Try Genesis Spin X. Make sure it's the red.

TennisandMusic
01-20-2010, 10:37 AM
This really, REALLY hurts me, but I've got to agree with Fedace. I found no spin in PLII, and the power level was too much for me...

Not trying to be rude but if you find "no spin" in PLII, I would say check your strokes.

PLII can hit massive spin. I mean, I don't use it, but I know it plays fantastic, I used it for awhile.

Jonny S&V
01-20-2010, 12:46 PM
Not trying to be rude but if you find "no spin" in PLII, I would say check your strokes.

PLII can hit massive spin. I mean, I don't use it, but I know it plays fantastic, I used it for awhile.

Don't you worry, I hit massive spin if I'm on the baseline, but my shots were not jumping as much at they typically do with PL II, so my opponents were getting shots right in their zone.

boomboomserve
01-20-2010, 12:51 PM
I have to chime in on this one. I am about halfway through my poly journey and PLII is by far the best I have found so far. The thing that stands out most about this string is the feel. It is extremely precise, like you can feel each individual string grab the ball. The bite is as good as I have tried from any string. Just look at the board and the reviews here. How many references to “perfect” are there?Although, there is no ‘perfect’ poly, this one has got to be the best 'all-round' poly. There are plenty of niche strings that specialize in spin, control, comfort, or power. But this one does everything very well, especially for bite and feel. It is stiff, but not overly so. It has enough “body” to allow you to feel everything without being at all painful to your arm. Control wise it is only slightly below Pro Hurricane. The sound is raw, not muted like Cyberblue . My only complaint is that it's playable life is only average. I am pretty picky about my strings and I typically can only get 10 hours out of any poly string before having to cut them out. While PLII does not lose much tension, it does turn a stiff dead but still not as dead as other strings from Luxilon and Topspin. I am trying Big Ace in the morning so I will report later on how that compares to PLII.


If you try the Big Ace, may I recommend the 17 gauge in RED, for some reason the RED seems more comfortable than the WHITE, IMO. Though the PLII does seem to slightly trump the BA in comfort, the BA is roughly $5 cheaper :)

PED
01-20-2010, 03:10 PM
I've got several sets of pl2 if anyone is looking for a trade or I'll sell some at a decent price. I love the stuff but I need the 16g for my Rad Pro.

Just email me through my username.

TennisandMusic
01-20-2010, 03:17 PM
Don't you worry, I hit massive spin if I'm on the baseline, but my shots were not jumping as much at they typically do with PL II, so my opponents were getting shots right in their zone.

Yeah but there are other people on this board who have claimed to hit "more topspin than anyone on the planet" but you watch their strokes and the balls don't jump off the court whatsoever.

I'm just saying if you get "no spin" out of PLII there has to be a reason for it, but based on personal experience and loads and loads of feedback, I just can't fathom how it could possibly be the string. That just doesn't make any sense to me.

I'm not worried at all, I'm just sayin...

T1000
01-20-2010, 05:31 PM
This is the worst poly I have ever tried. No feel, it plays dead from the start, just an overall pathetic string. I guess I'm in the minority but I have tried a lot of polys (msv focus hex, pro supex big ace and blue gear, multiple luxilons, tecnifibre pro red code, kirschbaum competition, babolat pro hurricane) and none of the other polys play this bad. All of them had feel from the beginning but I never had it with pro line II. I've tried it in 18g and 17g at different tensions and my experience has always been the same. I have two packs left of the 18g and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong when i string it, is that possible?

Ron Insana
01-20-2010, 07:48 PM
Amazing how well all have different impressions of the same string. Just tried Big Ace for the first time today and for me it does not compare in any way to PLII. From all the hype on the internet, I was expecting it to be a soft, springy and 'user-friendly string but it was just the opposite. If I could use one word to describe it that word would be 'dull'. It is one of the stiffest strings out there, I'm talking ALU-like stiffness. I found no power, no feel and no bite. Spin was good but nothing to write home about. And the worst part of all is that I am starting to feel a twinge in my shoulder. I have never had arm problems with any poly other than ALU Power. I am seriously thinking about cutting these strings out right now but I will give them one more try tomorrow.

Jonny S&V
01-20-2010, 10:15 PM
I'm just saying if you get "no spin" out of PLII there has to be a reason for it, but based on personal experience and loads and loads of feedback, I just can't fathom how it could possibly be the string. That just doesn't make any sense to me.

I'm not worried at all, I'm just sayin...

See below quote.

This is the worst poly I have ever tried. No feel, it plays dead from the start, just an overall pathetic string. I guess I'm in the minority but I have tried a lot of polys (msv focus hex, pro supex big ace and blue gear, multiple luxilons, tecnifibre pro red code, kirschbaum competition, babolat pro hurricane) and none of the other polys play this bad. All of them had feel from the beginning but I never had it with pro line II. I've tried it in 18g and 17g at different tensions and my experience has always been the same. I have two packs left of the 18g and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong when i string it, is that possible?

I'm not the only one. ;-)

Yeah but there are other people on this board who have claimed to hit "more topspin than anyone on the planet" but you watch their strokes and the balls don't jump off the court whatsoever.

I wish I could get a video of my groundstrokes up but I don't have one... But my serves kick/twist pretty well I think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIB-cYkjGQQ

PKUSA
01-21-2010, 01:28 PM
This is the worst poly I have ever tried. No feel, it plays dead from the start, just an overall pathetic string. I guess I'm in the minority but I have tried a lot of polys (msv focus hex, pro supex big ace and blue gear, multiple luxilons, tecnifibre pro red code, kirschbaum competition, babolat pro hurricane) and none of the other polys play this bad. All of them had feel from the beginning but I never had it with pro line II. I've tried it in 18g and 17g at different tensions and my experience has always been the same. I have two packs left of the 18g and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong when i string it, is that possible?

You must be doing something wrong. PL2 is a Bad Azz Poly with TONS of feel. Especially the 18g. Are you sure that you have PL2 and not PL1. Your post makes zero sense.

T1000
01-21-2010, 02:08 PM
You must be doing something wrong. PL2 is a Bad Azz Poly with TONS of feel. Especially the 18g. Are you sure that you have PL2 and not PL1. Your post makes zero sense.

Yes, it is the 18g Pro Line II. I have strung over 100 racquets with different strings/tensions and never has a string play dead from the start except this one. MY customers have never complained about my string jobs playing dead from the start, I have asked a couple just to see if it was me. I guess the string just isn't for me. The only way I can show you guys is if I tape my self stringing and post it here, but I;m sure no one wants to watch me string for 25 mins.

everard104
01-21-2010, 02:56 PM
i've been rockin MSV Focus Hex (1.1, 18L) with a Gosen cross for quite some time now after fiddling with different setups. it's one of the softer polys out there. comfy and at 1.1..it really grabs on.

BigHitterSE
01-21-2010, 06:48 PM
All good feedback. I do think it's the best poly out there. I also like the fact that it's manufactured in Germany, not Japan like so many others on the market today.

stanfordtennis alum
01-21-2010, 07:45 PM
its a good poly, def not the best...

everard104
01-22-2010, 12:00 AM
its a good poly, def not the best...

Well it is the best...for me. I'm sure you realize that the 'best' one is the one that works for you and your game. It's relative.

acer4tennis
01-22-2010, 05:15 AM
I used to play with PLII. But I prefer Genesis Spin X a lot more. Better tension maintenance, more power and a lot more spin.

BigHitterSE
01-24-2010, 05:11 PM
I used to play with PLII. But I prefer Genesis Spin X a lot more. Better tension maintenance, more power and a lot more spin.

What gauge are you referring to?

clarky
01-25-2010, 12:43 AM
I have just had both of my Head Extreme Pro's strung with PL2 at 55lbs, about to hit with these tomorrow, ill post my feedback

I have tried the following polys so far

Lux BBO
Lux Alu Power
Signum Pro Poly Plasma
Pro Supex Big Ace

I will post up my findings on this string tomorrow after my match

clarky
01-25-2010, 06:37 PM
Just played my first 3 sets with the Kirschbaum PL2, not as much power as the lux, but alot more comfortable easy on the arm, nice spin, nice control, would be the best all round poly I have hit with so far

Certainly to me at least felt better than the SPPP nad definitely nicer than the big ace.

sliceboy33
03-11-2010, 07:51 PM
Though I haven´t tried many it´s the best poly I´ve used so far.
I have my Prestige Mids strung with the 18L gauge (1.15) and use them until they pop. They last for two months being played almost everyday (I´m not a big spin hitter, except for the serve).

Since I´m about to switch to an open-patterned racquet I´m concerned with the 18L durability so I´ve bought the slightly thicker Pro Red Code 18 (1.20) to try out.

I´m going to string with both and see how they compare.

Ivan Lendl's Backhand
03-12-2010, 02:14 AM
I I love ProLine 2 - its such a classic poly that offers such a consistent balance and blend of good characteristics. Control, touch, feel, power, comfort, tension maintenance, longevity and reasonable crispness, bite and spin. It's a poly that you would describe as having an even 'all round' blend of good characteristics to it.

As for PL2 not offering any bite or spin, I can't agree with that. It doesn't bite or offer as much spin as something like BlackCode, but its lightyears better than something like Lux Adrenaline which really poor at biting into and spinning the ball.

I do wish that PL2 offered that little bit more spin and bite on the ball that it actually does though. BlackCode or Hex are both better in that regard, but are arguably more inconsistent or weaker in other areas particularly in terms of performance drop off.

I've tried alot of polys recently but I keep on going back to Pro Line 2. I just wish it came in colours other than red!

bad_call
03-12-2010, 05:39 AM
going to have to give this one a try.

PED
03-12-2010, 06:53 AM
going to have to give this one a try.

I've got a few sets of the pl2 in 1.25mm(17g size). It's a great fit in your stick.

shoot me a line.

bad_call
03-12-2010, 07:06 AM
I've got a few sets of the pl2 in 1.25mm(17g size). It's a great fit in your stick.

shoot me a line.

got some 1.20 on a string trade. will try on next string job. if good will let u know. :)

PED
03-12-2010, 07:08 AM
Sounds good. I think you'll really like it. Great all around string. I was going to try and use the 1.30mm size for the Radical but the Genesis price couldn't be beat ;)

Fedace
03-12-2010, 07:57 AM
Pro Line II seems to have everything I have been looking for - Comfort, Durability, Tension Maintenance, Mix of Power & Control

If you have hit with Pro Line II and have found another Poly that is better, please tell me which string you prefer and why.

I am currently playing Pro Line II 1.25 - I think it's the perfect poly

Yes possibly but i am hoping RPM blast is even better

jazzyfunkybluesy
03-12-2010, 08:02 AM
Its too expensive and the red color looks terrible. It plays awesome for a couple of hours and then loses tension and is useless.

Lawnmower
03-12-2010, 08:12 AM
I just switched from a Natural Gut/Poly hybrid to a full bed of Proline II 1.20 in my Youtek Prestige Pro's and have never been happier. Proline is EXTREMELY soft, it's the softest poly i've tried. It feel like a poly infused with a multi. LOVE IT!

robJAR
03-12-2010, 08:19 AM
How would these strings compare to cyberflash (1.30)? I use a hybrid of cf16 and sheep16 and became curious of these.. I like cf but it feels kinda stiff for me. No arm problems, but it's just that i think i would prefer a little softer string.

Also i have a set and a half of pacific classic in 16ga., and was wondering how this would perform if put in a hybrid with PLII in the crosses.

I should really move up to 17ga.. I've only broken a string once :\

-robJAR

Peter Szucs
03-12-2010, 08:22 AM
I am one of those who say the Pro Line II is one of the best if not the best poly out there. Those who use the 17L (1.20) version and wanna try something just as good give the Head Ultra Tour 1.20 a try.

JackB1
03-12-2010, 08:22 AM
I've got a few sets of the pl2 in 1.25mm(17g size). It's a great fit in your stick.

shoot me a line.

Hey PED, I would like to buy those strings from you. Drop me a line at: jackbandel at gmail.com

JackB1
03-12-2010, 08:23 AM
anyone compare PL2 with Genesis Spin X for softness?

kater21
03-12-2010, 08:38 AM
Could anyone compare PL2 1.15 with Big Hitter Blue 1.20 please?

Preston
03-12-2010, 08:51 AM
So personally I didn't like Pro Line2 at all. It is soft, but that is it's only good quality IMO. It has too much power, crazy power and it's inconsistent. I didn't find good spin or ball bite in comparison to the other poly's I hit with.

Spin X does feel stiffer than Pro Line2, but not by a lot. I have found better control and spin from Spin X and more $$ in my wallet.

aangstman01
03-31-2010, 04:23 PM
has anyone toyed around with PL2 in a hybrid using a MG Prestige MP?...

PED
03-31-2010, 04:25 PM
^^^I did that setup last year and it's very very nice-good comfort but the poly really helps out on the spin.

aangstman01
03-31-2010, 04:28 PM
awesome, spin is what i'm looking for thanks PED

PED
03-31-2010, 04:30 PM
I will also add that full pl2 in the 17g is nice in there as well. I thought the tight pattern would not be comfortable with full poly in it but really nice.

The mg mid was too tight for me and full pl2 :( A hybrid worked better for me in that one.

Fedace
03-31-2010, 04:43 PM
This really, REALLY hurts me, but I've got to agree with Fedace. I found no spin in PLII, and the power level was too much for me...

Your Prayers have been answered. they came out with Helix which is improved version of Proline 2 with even better bite with twisted edges to bite the ball.:)

righty
03-31-2010, 05:14 PM
Pro Line II seems to have everything I have been looking for - Comfort, Durability, Tension Maintenance, Mix of Power & Control

If you have hit with Pro Line II and have found another Poly that is better, please tell me which string you prefer and why.

I am currently playing Pro Line II 1.25 - I think it's the perfect poly
It is one of the best soft polyester strings. MSV Hex plays just as soft, but probably provides better spin.

Neither are particularly crisp, and for that I prefer the Unique poly.

David123
03-31-2010, 08:02 PM
Did you string full proline 2? or if not without what hybrid? i have a 1 set of strings of proline II 17g and i am trying to figure out whether to put it as full bed or hybrid it with another string.

PED
04-01-2010, 05:01 AM
I used full PL2 17g and it's a great soft string-very arm friendly.

dadozen
04-01-2010, 05:54 AM
As posted before, PLII 1.15 was my poly of choice. Has tried many strings( MSV Focus Hex, SPPP SPPP Pure, BAM, BA 1.22, and others ) and none have compared to PLII in terms of softness, comfort, power, control and mailny feel.

Decided to try some WeissCannon strings, such as Turbo Twist, Silverstring and Scorpion.

Turbo Twist played good, but not as good as PLII. Spin was better, but I'm more of a flat hitter.

But the Scorpion is great. It's as good as PLII or even better in some aspects, and holds tension much better, which was my only complaint about PLII.

Now I'm switching to Scorpion. Jsut waiting for my reel to come, will use it on my 4D300Tours and AG100s.

kingdaddy41788
04-01-2010, 06:15 AM
Pro Line II seems to have everything I have been looking for - Comfort, Durability, Tension Maintenance, Mix of Power & Control

If you have hit with Pro Line II and have found another Poly that is better, please tell me which string you prefer and why.

I am currently playing Pro Line II 1.25 - I think it's the perfect poly

It is perfect. (Not really, but it's perfect for me.)

How long does it last you before it starts to go dead?

I was thinking of trying it but Im afraid of having to string it every other week like most polys.

I've had a Pro Line II 1.25 X Pacific Tough Gut 17 in my prestiges for about two months - it's maybe 3-5 pounds looser than when i strung it, and you can feel that bit of tension loss, but it still certainly doesn't feel dead. I'm not playing that often at the moment (which explains why the strings haven't broken), but yeah, the tension maintenance far surpasses any other poly I've ever used, with the exception of Kirschbaum Competition, which is a pretty similar string.

Joey
04-02-2010, 03:00 AM
I'm still undeciced between PLII, BAM and Spin-X(red) in a 18x20 pattern racquet

PED
04-02-2010, 04:24 AM
I'm still undeciced between PLII, BAM and Spin-X(red) in a 18x20 pattern racquet

It's worth a try to demo all three. My preference would be 1. SpinX, 2. PL2 and a then BAM. BAM is nice but is not the same quality as the other 2. However, I like thicker strings so the fact that BAM is ultra thin enters into that.

Ross K
04-02-2010, 04:27 AM
PED,


You tried Polystar Energy by any chance? i've been really impressed by this soft poly.

R.

PED
04-02-2010, 04:30 AM
PED,


You tried Polystar Energy by any chance? i've been really impressed by this soft poly.

R.

Ross, I've not tried it but have heard great things about it :) I just got a reel of Genesis SpinX so I'm set in that department for a while. I'm glad as I've been testing strings since November.

What are you playing with these days, stickwise? I'm still the sole member of the Rad Pro users group ;)

Ross K
04-06-2010, 11:25 PM
^^^ PED,

Would like to try Spin X for myself. Not sure if it is available in UK though... Re your qsn, I'm having long test period (different string set ups and even different spec frames) with the Vantage 95 - which is something I should have done with the YT Rad Pro!... though saying that, given a few of my 'issues', I might have really liked the ultra soft Poly. Energy in the RP...?


Everyone,

Anyone else tried both Poly. Energy and Proline 2?... which do ppl prefer and why?... differences?... Just curious what others think as, re PL2, I think 'frame issues' got in the way a bit of me judging it properly.

Cheers,

R.

fgs
04-06-2010, 11:49 PM
i have played the plII and enjoyed it very much. i played it as a hybrid with wilson sensation and isospeed professional in the crosses, 23/22 kg on my heavily modded nblade's 106.
i had no problem with the spin. tension maintenanca is better with the kirschbaum competition (this being mainly the reason why i settled for a while with this one) as also a tad better in the control department. all in all, the pro line II is a very good string, worth every cent in my opinion.
i'm soon getting some helix demos, but for the time being i haven't found a string that suits me better than the competition 1.20 / iso professionall 1.20 hybrid.

David123
04-07-2010, 03:36 PM
me too ive tried pL II and fell in love, looking forward to trying the 1.20 gauge as i tried the one with 1.25

ricardo
04-22-2010, 07:36 AM
Pro Line II seems to have everything I have been looking for - Comfort, Durability, Tension Maintenance, Mix of Power & Control

If you have hit with Pro Line II and have found another Poly that is better, please tell me which string you prefer and why.

I am currently playing Pro Line II 1.25 - I think it's the perfect poly

According to this link (http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2010/01/string_selector_2010.html), Tecnifibre Promix 17 (1.25) has 199/13 (stiffness/tension loss) while Kirschbaum Pro Line No.2 1.15 has 224/19.

Fedace
04-22-2010, 07:37 AM
I think Babolat RPM blast just may beat this string...

ClubHoUno
04-22-2010, 07:49 AM
I think Babolat RPM blast just may beat this string...

You think......have you tested RPM Blast yet ?

I have 2 sets of RPM Blast 1.25 coming tomorrow. Will test the first set RPM Blast 1.25 in one of my BLX 6.1 and in one of my Pure Storm Tour GT racquets with RPM Blast 1.25 mains and VS 17 crosses.....and the other set of RPM Blast 1.25 set in the mains and X-One 1.24 in the crosses and see how well this stuff plays.

If it's any good, I'll buy a 660 feet/200 meter reel of it and be happy. If it's cr#ap, well then I'll be happy I only bought 2 sets of it.....HA....HA....HA :D

Thanks,
ClubHoUno

David123
04-22-2010, 09:59 AM
haha good luck trying it. Even if it is a bit beter ill stick to the proline 2 way cheaper, and better for the value.

coyfish
04-22-2010, 11:09 AM
This is a good string but I prefer Unique Big hitter. Its just so soft and retains all the control and spin I need.

David123
04-22-2010, 11:10 AM
How much is a set of big hiter?

coyfish
04-22-2010, 11:52 AM
Its very cheap. 6.95 I think. TW sells it. Its a string every poly user needs to try.

TennezSport
04-22-2010, 12:44 PM
I think Babolat RPM blast just may beat this string...

While I do not know what the final numbers will be yet from the USRSA, I can tell you that RPM Blast loses tension really fast. Don't know if it will be worth it in the long run; we will find out though.

Cheers, TennezSport :cool:

David123
04-22-2010, 01:07 PM
Its very cheap. 6.95 I think. TW sells it. Its a string every poly user needs to try.

hmm thats fairly cheap. Ill give it a try next time i order something from TW. Planning on ordering the ballistic Air 2.3 orange and white wenever they get the size 10 in stock lol.

Consigliere73
04-22-2010, 01:53 PM
PL2 is a lovely poly.

Skabeast121
04-22-2010, 08:48 PM
I really regret buying this string. This thing gets not spin what so ever and was way to high powered. It was soft and mushy, more so than cyber blue what i am using currently. It is pretty much a worse version of tecnifibre pro code red imo.

fgs
04-22-2010, 09:57 PM
skabeast 121,
there are only two similarities between tf pro red code and kb pro line II: first they are mainly used for playing tennis and second they are red. they do really play quite a lot different.

Skabeast121
04-23-2010, 11:42 AM
Idk to me they are similar. Both are high powered, and don't provide that great of bite. The difference between them is how they feel, pro code red is stiff where as pro line II is softer.

fgs
04-23-2010, 12:20 PM
skabeast121,
seems like we have a slightly different understanding of the term of "power" (i'm not a native speaker!). if the red code is a high powered string in your perception, may i ask then what would be a low powered one?
i completely agree that one is stiff and the other one is much softer.

decades
04-23-2010, 01:17 PM
red code is low powered and stiff. my understanding is PL2 is higher powered and soft....

David123
04-23-2010, 01:18 PM
yeah redcode is pretty low powered lol.

bad_call
04-23-2010, 01:32 PM
red code is low powered and stiff. my understanding is PL2 is higher powered and soft....

share this experience.

David123
04-23-2010, 01:42 PM
I've actaully played with redcode mainsand NRG2 crosses worked out pretty well.

fgs
04-23-2010, 03:17 PM
if try to translate my playing impressions with these two strings - tecnifibre pro red code and kirschbaum pro line II - on a scale from 1 (very bad) to 10 (very good), i'd say:
power: tf 7 / kb 9
control: tf 8 / kb 7
feel: tf 7 / kb 8
tension maintenance: tf 7 / kb 6
spin: tf 8 / kb 8
comfort: tf 7 / kb 8
durability: tf 8 / kb 7
in both cases i played the 1.25mm diameter (i think that's gauge 17 in the us), strung up at 23/22 kg in my heavily modded 106 nblades. i'm considering myself still an agressive baseliner hitting lots of topspin after 40 years of tennis.:)

decades
04-23-2010, 03:22 PM
if try to translate my playing impressions with these two strings - tecnifibre pro red code and kirschbaum pro line II - on a scale from 1 (very bad) to 10 (very good), i'd say:
power: tf 7 / kb 9
control: tf 8 / kb 7
feel: tf 7 / kb 8
tension maintenance: tf 7 / kb 6
spin: tf 8 / kb 8
comfort: tf 7 / kb 8
durability: tf 8 / kb 7
in both cases i played the 1.25mm diameter (i think that's gauge 17 in the us), strung up at 23/22 kg in my heavily modded 106 nblades. i'm considering myself still an agressive baseliner hitting lots of topspin after 40 years of tennis.:)

what do you rate higher than these two for tension maint? thanks

fgs
04-23-2010, 04:20 PM
kirschbaum competition 1.20 and luxilon adrenaline 1.20 would get a rating of 9 in my assesment. there is one very important thing to point out though - strings usually last between 6 to 8 hours in my frames with my style of play. so, tension maintenance from my perspective is for some 6-8 hitting hours which usually are completed in 10-14 days. somebody who hits much less spin and hence wears through a set of strings in 20+ hours over 1 month or more, might evaluate tension maintenance completely different than me.
i once had a string which played perfectly for the first 2.5-3 hours and then went dead - i started to overhit heavily in order to get those balls over the net and had some hard time with my shoulders afterwards. so, i'd rate tension maintenance with that string probably as low as 3. on the other hand, a player who'd go through that string within the "lifespan" of 3 hours would not experience that severe tension drop and would most probably rate it at 9 or even 10.
i'm currently having in one of my sticks the msv evo 1.25 which holds tension so far very very good, but it plays very bad - no power, no control, no feel, a waste of time in my opinion.

David123
04-23-2010, 04:56 PM
very nice review fgs thanks.

GameSetMatch
06-29-2010, 01:05 PM
Pro Line II 1.20 is the poly I keep on going back to because it has such an even combination of performance characteristcs across all areas - the only real downside being mediocre tension maintenance. Not quite as comfortable as BlackCode though, even if it does perform better in other areas.

folsfolsfols
07-01-2010, 12:19 AM
As posted before, PLII 1.15 was my poly of choice. Has tried many strings( MSV Focus Hex, SPPP SPPP Pure, BAM, BA 1.22, and others ) and none have compared to PLII in terms of softness, comfort, power, control and mailny feel.

Decided to try some WeissCannon strings, such as Turbo Twist, Silverstring and Scorpion.

Turbo Twist played good, but not as good as PLII. Spin was better, but I'm more of a flat hitter.

But the Scorpion is great. It's as good as PLII or even better in some aspects, and holds tension much better, which was my only complaint about PLII.

Now I'm switching to Scorpion. Jsut waiting for my reel to come, will use it on my 4D300Tours and AG100s.

i played with the scorpion and it is certainly not the softest poly out there. it plays rather stiff. not sure why you would compare it to the PLII which you consider to be softer and more comfortable than Hex, BA etc etc

folsfolsfols
07-01-2010, 12:30 AM
According to this link (http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2010/01/string_selector_2010.html), Tecnifibre Promix 17 (1.25) has 199/13 (stiffness/tension loss) while Kirschbaum Pro Line No.2 1.15 has 224/19.

there seem to be some weird exceptions. this rating system is definitely not perfect. the signum pro poly deluxe (1.22) has a rating of 220. everyone who has played with it will tell you that it plays much much softer than other polys out there (even the ones with 190 -218 rating)
the babolat pro hurricae 18 has a rating of 187 and plays rather stiff. there is no way it plays softer than the deluxe.

folsfolsfols
07-01-2010, 12:39 AM
i played with the scorpion and it is certainly not the softest poly out there. it plays rather stiff. not sure why you would compare it to the PLII which you consider to be softer and more comfortable than Hex, BA etc etc

although i could have strung it lower but didnt give it a second chance. the scorpion wasnt stiff compared to other polys but still not that soft or responsive compared to some soft polys out there

dadozen
07-01-2010, 08:54 AM
i played with the scorpion and it is certainly not the softest poly out there. it plays rather stiff. not sure why you would compare it to the PLII which you consider to be softer and more comfortable than Hex, BA etc etc

Scorpion is a bit stiffer than PLII 1.15( which is the most comfortable and had the best feel out of all polys I've played with ) but it comes very close, IMO. It's also lower powered when compared to PLII, but has much better control and tension stability.

I've played MSV Hex and found it to be very stiff, same as BA.

bad_call
07-01-2010, 08:59 AM
Scorpion is a bit stiffer than PLII 1.15( which is the most comfortable and had the best feel out of all polys I've played with ) but it comes very close, IMO. It's also lower powered when compared to PLII, but has much better control and tension stability.

I've played MSV Hex and found it to be very stiff, same as BA.

seeing how my string experiences are similar, need to try Scorpion 1.22...thanks. :)

dadozen
07-01-2010, 09:08 AM
seeing how my string experiences are similar, need to try Scorpion 1.22...thanks. :)

You'll probably like it. It's a very nice all around string, I only wish they still made it in 1.18 gauge. I'm actually looking for a string with the same performance, but with a tad more feel.

I playtested Hyperion 1.18 for a short period, I'll try that again. The feel was better, but couldn't get the same control and power, and ended cutting the string too soon.

bfactor61
02-24-2011, 05:47 PM
could anyone compare the pl2 1.25 and the 1.20???

dgoran
02-26-2011, 08:21 AM
kirschbaum competition 1.20 and luxilon adrenaline 1.20 would get a rating of 9 in my assesment. there is one very important thing to point out though - strings usually last between 6 to 8 hours in my frames with my style of play. so, tension maintenance from my perspective is for some 6-8 hitting hours which usually are completed in 10-14 days. somebody who hits much less spin and hence wears through a set of strings in 20+ hours over 1 month or more, might evaluate tension maintenance completely different than me.
i once had a string which played perfectly for the first 2.5-3 hours and then went dead - i started to overhit heavily in order to get those balls over the net and had some hard time with my shoulders afterwards. so, i'd rate tension maintenance with that string probably as low as 3. on the other hand, a player who'd go through that string within the "lifespan" of 3 hours would not experience that severe tension drop and would most probably rate it at 9 or even 10.
i'm currently having in one of my sticks the msv evo 1.25 which holds tension so far very very good, but it plays very bad - no power, no control, no feel, a waste of time in my opinion.

WOW my thought exactly. Maybe we hit with the same strength/intensity so I am curious what string did you find that it lasted you (not going dead) the longest.
I too have a problem that I simply KILL almost any poly if I play with the same racket for 2 hrs. Than my arm is started to kill me hahah

scotus
02-26-2011, 10:41 AM
there seem to be some weird exceptions. this rating system is definitely not perfect. the signum pro poly deluxe (1.22) has a rating of 220. everyone who has played with it will tell you that it plays much much softer than other polys out there (even the ones with 190 -218 rating)
the babolat pro hurricae 18 has a rating of 187 and plays rather stiff. there is no way it plays softer than the deluxe.

For me, pro hurricane 18 is definitely the most comfortable poly, but only for one hitting session.

Then it goes dead and turns into a brick like most other polys.

gamesetmats
02-26-2011, 11:13 AM
Could anyone describe how the Pro Line II compares to Babolat Pro Hurricane Tour?

PED
02-26-2011, 04:05 PM
Could anyone describe how the Pro Line II compares to Babolat Pro Hurricane Tour?


Pl2 is softer, holds tension MUCH better and has better power. PHT might have slightly better spin but that's more down to techinque.

I prefer the 1.25mm PL2.

parasailing
02-26-2011, 08:28 PM
How does PL 2 compare to other strings such as Polyfibre TCS, Polystar Energy, or Tourna Big Hitter Blue?

I am still deciding whether to get this string to compare against TCS or Energy. Energy is a comfortable and powerful poly that also has feel and good spin production. TCS offers great spin, power, decent tension maintenance but is a bit harsher than Energy.

I still haven't had a chance to try Tourna Big Hitter Blue yet.

Bear2014
02-27-2011, 02:46 PM
I had a great experience with PL 2 in my old Babolat Aero cortex, found it to have more bite and pop that PHT(which was the string I used prior to switching)I used the same hybrid as I did with PHT also and I still find it to be a great string. I am also about to try TF BC and maybe BHBR but idk which to try first

Bear2014
03-02-2011, 08:38 AM
PL2.......My favorite poly to use in hybrid with any syngut, I have always had plenty of spin power and control when using this combo, though I will say in a ful bed there are better polys. personally SPPP is my favorite full bed, but doesnt come close to the hybrid set up

pistolero
10-17-2011, 04:25 PM
i played with the scorpion and it is certainly not the softest poly out there. it plays rather stiff. not sure why you would compare it to the PLII which you consider to be softer and more comfortable than Hex, BA etc etc

from my experience, scorprion would be my choice -- more feel, more spin, more comfort. pl2 is a very good string with possibly more power, but during a match it has not performed to the same level.

parasailing
10-18-2011, 12:03 AM
I have tried Scorpion and it was my favorite to put in a hybrid setup as the cross with VS mains until SPPP came along. I will be getting a set of PL2 17 gauge so I am going to give this string a shot to see how well it plays.

welcome2petrkordaland
10-18-2011, 12:56 AM
been using pro line II 1.15 for years now . . . have used 1.25 and 1.2 as well. It's all good with this string-spin, power, feel, comfort, tension maintenance, durability, etc.

I leaded up my apd with 7grams from 9 to 3, which is quite head heavy ish, but I've adjusted and the playability is sick.

rz250r
10-18-2011, 04:11 AM
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dadozen
10-18-2011, 06:50 AM
I saw the same package and same string color being advertised as Kirschbaum Pro Line Evolution. But as I couldn't find more info, I'm waiting to see if it's real.

Btw, I've used PLII 1.15 for a very long time and I just love it how it feels and plays. I just don't like the tension stability.

I'll give it one more try, using it on the mains( black version ) with MSV Focus Hex 1.10 on the crosses. But at really low tensions( 42lbs ). Let's see if it keep tension longer this way.

the rebel
10-19-2011, 06:48 AM
i tried this co-poly ( pro line 2 1.20) string full bed in my avery m3 control at 54 and this is one of the best string i never ever use everything is GREAT i can make HUGE spin. the string doesn't really move just a bit and they break after 20-25 hours of big hitting next time i will hybrid this with pro hurricane 1.25/17 overall very nice string for the price

dadozen
10-20-2011, 10:27 AM
Just played with PLII 1.15 again yesterday, and I had forgotten how well this stirng plays.

Even @ 42lbs, with Focus hex 1.10 on the crosses, it plays wonderfully. I'll stick with this setup.

Six.one.touring
10-20-2011, 12:40 PM
Pro Line II
Strung up my ksix-one tour 90 with this string a while back. I found it a pleasant change from luxilon alu power rough. It is much more comfortable yet provides some bite on the ball. I do not think that this string provides as much spin as other polys in the market but is adequate. tension maintenance is slightly better than lux but it drops then stabilizes.

For the price pro-line II is very good however I just got a great deal on luxilons so I'm sticking with them for the time being. Its a nice mid-ground between poly and multi taking many positive traits from both types of string. If I were to go back to pro-line II I would definitely string it lik a multi though.

newton296
10-21-2011, 04:58 AM
rip control is cheaper ( 5.99$) then all these strings and more comfortable. I can even get decent spin and way better tension maintenance.

as far as poly, Ive tried sppp and its a real classic. good performance in all categories and better tension maintenance then most other polys. thought sppp was more controlled the big hitter silver.

rofl_copter3
10-21-2011, 12:28 PM
I just switched from pl 2 to gamma zo tour rough... It is almost exactly like pl 2 but with crazy spin... If you like the pl 2 at least try the zo tour rough you won't be disappointed

mrc
11-12-2011, 06:19 PM
PLII is awesome. I also like Genesis Black Magic 17G and Head Sonic Pro. I usually buy the best deal I can find of the three.

Fedace
11-12-2011, 06:20 PM
Is the Black color have more power ?? someone said black color gave him more power than the red one

michaelscoots
11-14-2011, 05:42 PM
I have been using the Proline II for 8 or 9 months now on my K90's. I played around with MSV focus Hex, which gives me more spin, but less pocketing. Something about the Proline II -- it helps me hit a cleaner 1HBH. I love it at net too. With slice shots (if you're coming from any poly with tooth on it) you really need to get the shot way out front and exaggerate the motion and it does what you need it to do. That's the one thing that I find is easier with the MSV or ALU Rough for that matter. I set mine up at 58lbs...and it drops and settles at 53 by the end of the week. I usually add string savers after the first day of play which brings it up a half a pound or so depending on how many I put in.

Just ordered the Evolution's - curious to see how they compare.

tennisaddict2223
11-14-2011, 05:53 PM
I have been using the Proline II for 8 or 9 months now on my K90's. I played around with MSV focus Hex, which gives me more spin, but less pocketing. Something about the Proline II -- it helps me hit a cleaner 1HBH. I love it at net too. With slice shots (if you're coming from any poly with tooth on it) you really need to get the shot way out front and exaggerate the motion and it does what you need it to do. That's the one thing that I find is easier with the MSV or ALU Rough for that matter. I set mine up at 58lbs...and it drops and settles at 53 by the end of the week. I usually add string savers after the first day of play which brings it up a half a pound or so depending on how many I put in.

Just ordered the Evolution's - curious to see how they compare.

Guessing by your post you play Proline II throughout the whole stringbed. Have you ever tried it in a hybrid set up because I am curious to see how it feels. Also please let me what you think of the Proline Evolution as well because I am considering trying those strings out.

michaelscoots
11-14-2011, 06:01 PM
Guessing by your post you play Proline II throughout the whole stringbed. Have you ever tried it in a hybrid set up because I am curious to see how it feels. Also please let me what you think of the Proline Evolution as well because I am considering trying those strings out.

Yeah, I have three K90's and I've tried it with various hybrid's of PLII. For me, the full bed same gauge was always the best. I've even tried it mixed with different gauges of itself (1.25 mains / 1.20 crosses, 1.20 m x 1.15 crosses) and for some reason it didn't jive the same way when it's full bed. That said I've only ever done 1.25 as a full bed of PLII (not the other gauges). But I get this really great feeling (help) on my 1HBH that enables me to swing out almost as if the racquet has a touch more flex only on my backhand...it's weird, but it's helped me quite a bit. To me this has been the best benefit. I will say on a stiffer racquet like the K90, it's tough for me to go above 58. When I do, I start to feel it in my shoulder on serve (old injury which has been improving)....so 58 is good for me. Once it drops I don't feel any issues with my shoulder. So while it is a co-poly and is talked up as being softer than traditional poly's, it's still a poly and if you have an injury you still need to be careful especially if you have fast full swings.

I'll report back on the new blue Evolution once I try it out. I'll have a K90 with PLII in it to compare it to.

tennisaddict2223
11-14-2011, 06:34 PM
Yeah, I have three K90's and I've tried it with various hybrid's of PLII. For me, the full bed same gauge was always the best. I've even tried it mixed with different gauges of itself (1.25 mains / 1.20 crosses, 1.20 m x 1.15 crosses) and for some reason it didn't jive the same way when it's full bed. That said I've only ever done 1.25 as a full bed of PLII (not the other gauges). But I get this really great feeling (help) on my 1HBH that enables me to swing out almost as if the racquet has a touch more flex only on my backhand...it's weird, but it's helped me quite a bit. To me this has been the best benefit. I will say on a stiffer racquet like the K90, it's tough for me to go above 58. When I do, I start to feel it in my shoulder on serve (old injury which has been improving)....so 58 is good for me. Once it drops I don't feel any issues with my shoulder. So while it is a co-poly and is talked up as being softer than traditional poly's, it's still a poly and if you have an injury you still need to be careful especially if you have fast full swings.

I'll report back on the new blue Evolution once I try it out. I'll have a K90 with PLII in it to compare it to.

I have tried out so many different polys with full bed and hyrbid setups and have always gone with a hybrid setup because the polys have been pretty stiff. I currently play with Tour bite 17 mains and PSGDF 17 crosses at 55lbs but have also tried Solinco Outlast, ALU Rough, Black Code, Red Code, RPM and Tornado. That is why I ask if the Proline II is also a good string for Hybrids. Is there any other specific reason you choose full poly over over the hybrid such as the poly is too soft in a hybrid setup or simply the reason you mentioned in your post?

Fedace
11-14-2011, 06:46 PM
No. Evolution is better

tennisaddict2223
11-14-2011, 06:51 PM
No. Evolution is better

Any specific reason as to why Evolution is better?

Fedace
11-14-2011, 07:15 PM
Any specific reason as to why Evolution is better?

The Kirschbaum Pro Line Evolution is a softer feeling polyester string that offers great ball pocketing and access to spin. Because the string is pre-stretched, it mains tension better than other, more traditional polyesters. Similar to that of the Pro Line II, this string is 10% lighter, providing more power and spin.

fgs
11-14-2011, 07:16 PM
fedace,
have you played the evolution or do you just say it's better because the producer claims it's better?

Fedace
11-14-2011, 07:23 PM
fedace,
have you played the evolution or do you just say it's better because the producer claims it's better?

I am play testing it Soon. I spoke with the Kirschbaum USA rep. There is only one guy in the entire country and he only sells thru Tennis Warehouse. but i am getting some T-shirts from him. Kirsch makes great T-shirt. he tells me that Evolution is definite improvement over Proline 2. and proline 2 was already premium stuff. so this has to be something special.

tennisaddict2223
11-14-2011, 07:26 PM
The Kirschbaum Pro Line Evolution is a softer feeling polyester string that offers great ball pocketing and access to spin. Because the string is pre-stretched, it mains tension better than other, more traditional polyesters. Similar to that of the Pro Line II, this string is 10% lighter, providing more power and spin.

So do you know this as a fact because you have play tested it? Seems to me you are just repeating the information tennis warehouse has posted about the string, no offense.

Fedace
11-14-2011, 07:36 PM
So do you know this as a fact because you have play tested it? Seems to me you are just repeating the information tennis warehouse has posted about the string, no offense.

I will test it out.

tennisaddict2223
11-14-2011, 07:44 PM
I am play testing it Soon. I spoke with the Kirschbaum USA rep. There is only one guy in the entire country and he only sells thru Tennis Warehouse. but i am getting some T-shirts from him. Kirsch makes great T-shirt. he tells me that Evolution is definite improvement over Proline 2. and proline 2 was already premium stuff. so this has to be something special.

Ahh the perks of playing college tennis how I miss it so. Do you currently play with Proline II and also would like to hear what you have to say about Evolution.

fgs
11-14-2011, 07:55 PM
i played the pro line 2 in 1.25 and 1.20mm and while the initial performance is really top notch, the strings died at around 7 resp. 6 hours and became non-controllable rocketlaunchers. i much more enjoyed the 1.20 (one of my references) and the 1.25mm kirschbaum competition, which kept going until the last stroke. the small difference in price is the "best" investment in my opinion. the competitions plays a tad less soft but are superior in any of the other criteria.

would be interesting to see how the evolution compares to this "benchmark" string. since i'm trying to work myself through the pile of structured strings i have acquired, i don't see any possibility for me any time soon to give it a run though.

tennisaddict2223
11-14-2011, 08:11 PM
i played the pro line 2 in 1.25 and 1.20mm and while the initial performance is really top notch, the strings died at around 7 resp. 6 hours and became non-controllable rocketlaunchers. i much more enjoyed the 1.20 (one of my references) and the 1.25mm kirschbaum competition, which kept going until the last stroke. the small difference in price is the "best" investment in my opinion. the competitions plays a tad less soft but are superior in any of the other criteria.

would be interesting to see how the evolution compares to this "benchmark" string. since i'm trying to work myself through the pile of structured strings i have acquired, i don't see any possibility for me any time soon to give it a run though.

Have you played with Proline II in a hybrid setup and do you recommend going full poly over a hybrid on the Proline II like michaelscoots does? Will say though I like your comparison of the string turning into rocketlaunchers, had a good laugh from that comment thank you.

fgs
11-14-2011, 08:42 PM
i played the 1.20 full bed and my shoulder did not really like it - which does not mean that it is stiff, i just got a shoulder problem which makes me too sensitive. this is the main reason why i play 90% of the times in hybrids. as a hybrid i had no issue with it whatsoever!

at the time i played these strings i was playing as cross strings the wilson sensation 1.25mm. i have switched in the mean time to the mantis power syn and now again to the mantis comfort syn, which i really love (gives incredible touch to the stringbed with most of the polys, even the stiff ones! like adrenaline). i haven't played the pro lines with these crosses though, but i doubt it would change much regarding the "going dead" of the string.

michaelscoots
11-15-2011, 02:11 PM
I agree, once the PLII drops tension it's got more kick, but I think the control is still there on a control oriented frame like the K90. However, my backhand is harder to control once it drops...so I do get the whole rocket launcher metaphor. Adding string savers has helped me control the power once tension drops. Again, it only adds a half pound or so but I automatically start keeping my backhand in the court when swinging full.

It's good to hear I'm not the only one that has shoulder issues. Mine first came on when I got over zealous in stringing up ALU Rough on the K90 (BBanger in mains)...I strung them at 65lbs and it was incredible...that is, until I served. Doh! I've been doing home therapy ever since (a really good program I bought online with multiple exercises and video instructions). I've strengthened my shoulder considerably but the pain can come on when PL II is too tight. When I go to a multi or hybrid I don't feel it (rip control for example, which is soft), but I miss the power and feel of Proline II. I'd love to find a string like this that doesn't drop tension as much...hopefully that's the new Evolution strings. MSV Focus Hex is pretty awesome but it's different (less pocketing, more bite and spin)....I may try that at a lower tension to see if I get more pocketing. It holds tension very well.

fgs
11-15-2011, 02:43 PM
my top 3 favourites so far for the mains are (in order) mantis power polyester 1.25, polyfibre black venom rough 1.25 and kirschbaum competition 1.20. the mantis is also the cheapest (not by much though), while the polyfibre and the competition cost roughly the same.

the polyfibre has a much higher stabilisation loss which has to be taken into account when stringing, but then, at least in my time window (roughly 10 hitting hours, usually over two weeks) it keeps up pretty well. if you don't go slightly higher (1-2lbs) on the polyfibre, you will have MUCH less control than with the other two and would be tempted to dump the string, but going slightly higher is paying off. i assume that those 1-2lbs i am talking about have to be more if you string tighter anyway - i do my mains around 46lbs and the crosses around 44 usually, so that's where the 1-2lbs apply. at 50-52lbs probably you should be going like 3lbs higher.

michaelscoots
11-15-2011, 03:34 PM
my top 3 favourites so far for the mains are (in order) mantis power polyester 1.25, polyfibre black venom rough 1.25 and kirschbaum competition 1.20. the mantis is also the cheapest (not by much though), while the polyfibre and the competition cost roughly the same.

the polyfibre has a much higher stabilisation loss which has to be taken into account when stringing, but then, at least in my time window (roughly 10 hitting hours, usually over two weeks) it keeps up pretty well. if you don't go slightly higher (1-2lbs) on the polyfibre, you will have MUCH less control than with the other two and would be tempted to dump the string, but going slightly higher is paying off. i assume that those 1-2lbs i am talking about have to be more if you string tighter anyway - i do my mains around 46lbs and the crosses around 44 usually, so that's where the 1-2lbs apply. at 50-52lbs probably you should be going like 3lbs higher.

I'll have to give the Mantis a try. What racquet do you play with usually?

fgs
11-15-2011, 03:43 PM
currently i play the mantis 300. until february 2011 i played the nblade 106. i found it interesting that in most of the cases the results found with the much softer and slightly bigger (106sq.i) nblade have been replicated with the 100sq.i but much stiffer mantis frame. of course the mantis frame has 16 mains, but the differerence in racquet stiffness is quite considerable.

tennisaddict2223
11-16-2011, 05:06 PM
i played the 1.20 full bed and my shoulder did not really like it - which does not mean that it is stiff, i just got a shoulder problem which makes me too sensitive. this is the main reason why i play 90% of the times in hybrids. as a hybrid i had no issue with it whatsoever!

at the time i played these strings i was playing as cross strings the wilson sensation 1.25mm. i have switched in the mean time to the mantis power syn and now again to the mantis comfort syn, which i really love (gives incredible touch to the stringbed with most of the polys, even the stiff ones! like adrenaline). i haven't played the pro lines with these crosses though, but i doubt it would change much regarding the "going dead" of the string.

Well my question is how the Proline II feels in a hybrid setup compared to a stiffer poly like Tour Bite or Big Banger Rough. Does it feel like a full bed of synthetic gut or does it still the crisp poly feel?

fgs
11-16-2011, 05:34 PM
i'm playing hybrids because "i like them crispy but not harsh":). of course the proline 2 is a "softer" poly, so it is no comparison to adrenaline for instance. i haven't yet played tour bite nor the big ganger original rough, have both of them waiting patiently to be strung (along with other 40+ shaped strings:)).

rofl_copter3
11-16-2011, 06:44 PM
Well my question is how the Proline II feels in a hybrid setup compared to a stiffer poly like Tour Bite or Big Banger Rough. Does it feel like a full bed of synthetic gut or does it still the crisp poly feel?

It has a softer feel obviously, but feels very clean or pure not mushy or harsh. With a multi it feels great and has more power than the stiffer poly's even in a hybrid...

luishcorreia
11-19-2011, 01:45 AM
I played a lot with both of them, but i Like the Kirschbaum Competition better.

tennisaddict2223
11-28-2011, 02:15 PM
It has a softer feel obviously, but feels very clean or pure not mushy or harsh. With a multi it feels great and has more power than the stiffer poly's even in a hybrid...

Thank you for the info. Actually felt better in a Full bed setup, but now I am confused because I have narrowed my search to two sets of strings and do not know which one to go with. I have Tour Bite 17 and the Pro Line Evolution. Both feel great and generate plenty of spin. I tried to go off price, but that did not help out too much because Tour Bite is only five dollars cheaper. Anybody here hit with both of these who can help me out?

Polk County Pride
12-13-2011, 09:21 AM
Pro Line II seems to have everything I have been looking for - Comfort, Durability, Tension Maintenance, Mix of Power & Control

If you have hit with Pro Line II and have found another Poly that is better, please tell me which string you prefer and why.

I am currently playing Pro Line II 1.25 - I think it's the perfect poly

In my opinion, this IS the best poly from a price/playability standpoint. I am new to this site, but have been sort of a string junkie for the past few years and use this string almost exclusively. IMO, racquet choice makes an enormous difference for how this particular string plays though. I would guess its because of the enormous ball pocketing that this string has. I play with a PDR, 370 grams, weight under the handle and at 10/2, and string this low-as low as 48 and as high as 53-depending on whether I will play with it immediately. I have tried blending it as well with alot of different polys/syn guts:
Black Code in the mains/crosses(2 lbs tighter if in mains-this is what I play with if I'm going to play on Clay)
Cyber blue in crosses(not as much spin, more power)
RPM in mains(lasts longer but the tension of the RPM dropped at a higher rate than the PLII which became a problem)
Bi-phase(softer if in mains, more powerful when in crosses)
Wilson Nat Gut(maybe my ultimate favorite-but when it breaks every match?? yikes)
To answer your original ?...
Mantis Comfort Poly(to me, Mantis is a ridiculous bargain, it feels similar but a little less powerful than PLII, if you string it in the mains it might last a little longer because MCP is 16 gauge and actually holds tension very well-its hard to beat a combination of PLII and MCP because the cost is lowered, they both are solid strings and lose tension at the same rate.)
Sorry for the long answer, but I do love these strings too!!!

Polk County Pride
12-13-2011, 09:24 AM
Pro Line II seems to have everything I have been looking for - Comfort, Durability, Tension Maintenance, Mix of Power & Control

If you have hit with Pro Line II and have found another Poly that is better, please tell me which string you prefer and why.

I am currently playing Pro Line II 1.25 - I think it's the perfect poly

In my opinion, this IS the best poly from a price/playability standpoint. I am new to this site, but have been sort of a string junkie for the past few years and use this string almost exclusively. IMO, racquet choice makes an enormous difference for how this particular string plays though. I would guess its because of the enormous ball pocketing that this string has. I play with a PDR, 370 grams, weight under the handle and at 10/2, and string this low-as low as 48 and as high as 53-depending on whether I will play with it immediately. I have tried blending it as well with alot of different polys/syn guts:
Black Code in the mains/crosses(2 lbs tighter if in mains-this is what I play with if I'm going to play on Clay)
Cyber blue in crosses(not as much spin, more power)
RPM in mains(lasts longer and maybe a tad more spin but the tension of the RPM dropped at a higher rate than the PLII which became a problem)
Bi-phase(softer if in mains, more powerful when in crosses)
Wilson Nat Gut(maybe my ultimate favorite-but when it breaks every match?? yikes)
To answer your original ?...
Mantis Comfort Poly(to me, Mantis is a ridiculous bargain, it feels similar but a little less powerful than PLII, if you string it in the mains it might last a little longer because MCP is 16 gauge and actually holds tension very well-its hard to beat a combination of PLII and MCP because the cost is lowered, they both are solid strings and lose tension at the same rate.)
Sorry for the long answer, but I do love these strings too!!!

Polk County Pride
12-13-2011, 09:25 AM
sorry for the duplicates, TW made me sign in and post again for some reason. Plus, I don't know what I am doing on here yet. Sorry

user92626
12-13-2011, 09:51 AM
PL2.......My favorite poly to use in hybrid with any syngut, I have always had plenty of spin power and control when using this combo, though I will say in a ful bed there are better polys. personally SPPP is my favorite full bed, but doesnt come close to the hybrid set up

Hi I'm interested in knowing your poly/synth gut hybrid. Which one for main and which for cross and what tension.

I have like 3 1/2 sets of proline 2 but I have always hybrid it with another stiff poly. NOt exactly a comfortable and powerful set up.

Shaochieh
12-14-2011, 12:17 AM
String it full bed. This one is a unique poly and feels like a stiff multi to me. 10 -14 hours maxium before you lose a little control. I use 1.20 and I break it before it becomes too out of control.

brettsticker86
05-08-2012, 06:51 AM
in college, i used the blue pro hurricane, then our team switched to the hurricane tour when it came out. after college, i started using pro red code after hearing about it. i then tried pro line ii about a year or 2 ago. after using it, i switched BACK to pro red code. after playing around with pro line ii again a week ago in a hybrid I'm about to try it out in a full bed. I'll keep you guys posted on what i think about it versus a full bed of pro red code.

pistolero
01-22-2013, 08:22 AM
Updating on my previous post, favouring the wc scopion (1.22) over the kpl2 on the blx90 tour and ps blx90 tour --

the scorpion gives more spin which translates to top spin and control and keeping the ball more in play. this winter i found it the better option because we play in a pressurized bubble and it helps prevent me from over hitting. when playing under normal conditions, kpl2 is preferred as it is more comfortable and velocity generating... just flows nicer.

the kpl2 probably allows for a higher tension setting than the scorpion as it seems to be the easier string on the arm. looking forward to trying out the 'evolution' in spring time.

Sander001
01-22-2013, 07:54 PM
Currently I'm trialing many different polys[mostly in the 1.20mm range] and have to say that Pro Line II 1.2 is easily the most solid feeling string I have ever used. These strings will not be pushed around and no matter how heavy the ball or how much spin your opponent uses, the ball won't fly off your stringbed uncontrollably.
For that reason, it's a bit less lively too.

brettsticker86
02-05-2013, 10:59 AM
Been using a full bed of pro line 2 (black) for the past year. Was stringing at 63 pounds. Felt great, recently dropped down to 60 pounds and it feels even better. Love Love LOVE this string.