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jimanuel12
01-20-2010, 10:50 AM
just wanted to let everyone know that the mean ***** tennis elbow i have had since last june is just about healed up.
i live in ky, so the weather is not very good for tennis right now. i hope to get back on the courts in march if the weather is ok.
thanks to all that posted about how to help with the TE.
i have had (2) cortizone shots, lots of exercises, lots of rest and bought a Kennex 5G and a fischer pro 105 for the arm.
never never again will i play with a wilson hyper hammer, the worst possible racket for TE.
it has been a long long time in healing but the arm is about 90% now and i will take it easy for awhile and see how the arm reacts once i begin to play again.
just some hints for others who may be subject to TE:

1. play with a light head, heavy racket - 11.7oz or better
2. racket with stiffness rating of 65 or less
3. WARM UP BEFORE the match
4. Do arm exercises before the match to warm up the muscles
5. with the slightest hint of pain - stop and rest the arm, apply ice to the area and don't play again until the arm is better.

all the lessons above, i did not heed, and i have paid the price, over 6 months and not been able to play.
i have missed my tennis and hope to learn from my mistakes.
hope no one ever has TE. i would not wish that on my worst enemy.

thanks again

mikeler
01-20-2010, 12:14 PM
I got violently ill for a few days last week. Now my elbow is better and I've played several doubles matches with almost no pain at all. Maybe the dehydration did something good for my elbow.

r2473
01-20-2010, 12:49 PM
Maybe the dehydration did something good for my elbow.

You need to market this and sell it on an infomercial. I'm not sure how you can sell dehydration, but I bet there is a way.

mikeler
01-20-2010, 01:46 PM
You need to market this and sell it on an infomercial. I'm not sure how you can sell dehydration, but I bet there is a way.


I'm still working on the marketing slogan. Maybe something like "you'll almost die but kiss elbow pain goodbye". Love the Bartleby quote BTW.

pshulam
01-21-2010, 05:27 PM
Maybe the dehydration did something good for my elbow.
How does dehydration help in healing?

pshulam
01-21-2010, 05:33 PM
1. play with a light head, heavy racket - 11.7oz or better
2. racket with stiffness rating of 65 or less
3. WARM UP BEFORE the match
4. Do arm exercises before the match to warm up the muscles
5. with the slightest hint of pain - stop and rest the arm, apply ice to the area and don't play again until the arm is better.
Good tips .. a RA of 65 seems high .. I would choose a rating less than 60.
A couple of more things:
- lower string tension (< 55 lb)
- use soft strings (i.e., multi-filament, natural gut)
- wear an elbow brace

mikeler
01-22-2010, 04:35 AM
How does dehydration help in healing?


Maybe some fluid was in there that got sucked away. I'm not a medical expert, just wanted to state something that seemed odd.

origmarm
01-22-2010, 04:57 AM
I got violently ill for a few days last week. Now my elbow is better and I've played several doubles matches with almost no pain at all. Maybe the dehydration did something good for my elbow.

For sure you can market this! "Puke your pain away!"

mikeler
01-22-2010, 04:58 AM
For sure you can market this! "Puke your pain away!"


Short and sweet. I like it.

jimanuel12
01-25-2010, 09:33 AM
Short and sweet. I like it.

man, i hate puking!!!!!
i have had some sickness too the last few days, but better now, must be something going around on these boards!!!

mikeler
01-25-2010, 09:38 AM
I played 3 sets of singles on Saturday. I then played 2 sets of singles and 1 of doubles yesterday. The arm is good, just some minor stiffness. I must say I think the flexbar is well worth the few dollars it costs. If you have not bought them yet, I highly recommend them.

jimanuel12
01-25-2010, 09:43 AM
I played 3 sets of singles on Saturday. I then played 2 sets of singles and 1 of doubles yesterday. The arm is good, just some minor stiffness. I must say I think the flexbar is well worth the few dollars it costs. If you have not bought them yet, I highly recommend them.


where can i get one?

botticelli
01-25-2010, 09:44 AM
Funny you stated that because I got massive food poisoning and my TE got better. I know it sounds weird, but after reading the other poster regarding being sick I thought I would let everyone know.

mikeler
01-25-2010, 09:45 AM
where can i get one?


I bought mine from a site named after a large jungle in South America. :)

mikeler
01-25-2010, 09:46 AM
Funny you stated that because I got massive food poisoning and my TE got better. I know it sounds weird, but after reading the other poster regarding being sick I thought I would let everyone know.


Within 4 days, my elbow went from about a level 2/10 in pain to just about zero. It was pretty amazing.

bad_call
01-25-2010, 10:51 AM
Within 4 days, my elbow went from about a level 2/10 in pain to just about zero. It was pretty amazing.

puking out the TE toxins...good medicine!!

origmarm
01-25-2010, 01:11 PM
I played 3 sets of singles on Saturday. I then played 2 sets of singles and 1 of doubles yesterday. The arm is good, just some minor stiffness. I must say I think the flexbar is well worth the few dollars it costs. If you have not bought them yet, I highly recommend them.

What is a flexbar mate? Sounds interesting. I put it in the big river site and I got a lot of different stuff, at least on the UK one. Is it the rubber bars that you bend?

scotus
01-25-2010, 01:13 PM
What is a flexbar mate? Sounds interesting. I put it in the big river site and I got a lot of different stuff, at least on the UK one. Is it the rubber bars that you bend?

The brand name is Thera-Band.

mikeler
01-25-2010, 01:38 PM
Theraband makes 3 of the twisting sticks with varying resistance. Get on YouTube and check out the Tyler Twist for TE and the reverse Tyler twist for GE. It has really helped with my GE.

origmarm
01-25-2010, 09:11 PM
Thanks guys very interesting. Do they come in different resistances? If so which do you use?

mikeler
01-26-2010, 05:05 AM
Thanks guys very interesting. Do they come in different resistances? If so which do you use?


Red = 10 pounds of force to twist
Green = 15 pounds of force to twist
Blue = 25 pounds of force to twist

I bought the green and blue, but the green was too easy for me, so I'm using the blue. Next time you are in Florida, stop by and I'll give you my green one. :)

origmarm
01-26-2010, 05:11 AM
Red = 10 pounds of force to twist
Green = 15 pounds of force to twist
Blue = 25 pounds of force to twist

Ok so Red = Child, Green = Adult, Blue = MAN (Grrrrr!) :)

Thanks mate, I think I'll go with the Blue, if it's too much then you can always "half twist" it. Or perhaps I'll get both green and blue and save my blushes...

mikeler
01-26-2010, 05:25 AM
Ok so Red = Child, Green = Adult, Blue = MAN (Grrrrr!) :)

Thanks mate, I think I'll go with the Blue, if it's too much then you can always "half twist" it. Or perhaps I'll get both green and blue and save my blushes...


I think the Red would be a waste of time for a man unless your elbow is very sore. In that case, you probably should not be using it anyways. If you have minimal elbow soreness, go Blue. I have pretty strong arms, so I wish they had one that was harder to twist than the Blue.

kslick
01-26-2010, 06:58 AM
I moved up to the blue one but after a week my elbow was starting to get sore so I moved back to the green. Green seems a little easy but for GE you really don't need to push it, it doesn't take a lot of "weight" to work the tendon.

origmarm
01-26-2010, 07:19 AM
For some reason I can't get these in the UK from the big river site. Will have to look elsewhere or wait for the trip to the US. Did anyone try PowerBalls?

mikeler
01-26-2010, 07:20 AM
I moved up to the blue one but after a week my elbow was starting to get sore so I moved back to the green. Green seems a little easy but for GE you really don't need to push it, it doesn't take a lot of "weight" to work the tendon.


Good point. I have not tried the TE exercises with it yet. Let me try it out tonight and I'll post back here on how it goes.

mikeler
01-26-2010, 07:22 AM
For some reason I can't get these in the UK from the big river site. Will have to look elsewhere or wait for the trip to the US. Did anyone try PowerBalls?


Maybe try Googling "Thera-band flexbar". There are other knockoffs out there too that may be available.

sidzej
01-27-2010, 12:12 AM
I am doing both Tyler twist and the reverse twist with the blue bar. I gradually increased the repetitions from 5, 7 to 10 (3 x day) and want to increase it to 15. So far so good...

origmarm
01-27-2010, 01:44 AM
Maybe try Googling "Thera-band flexbar". There are other knockoffs out there too that may be available.

Yeah this is what I did in the end. I got the Thera-Band one just from another website in the UK.

Does it come with instructions for the exercises btw or will I have to look them up?

mikeler
01-27-2010, 05:30 AM
Yeah this is what I did in the end. I got the Thera-Band one just from another website in the UK.

Does it come with instructions for the exercises btw or will I have to look them up?


Look up "Reverse Tyler Twist" for GE and "Tyler Twist" for TE on YouTube. The instructions that come with the bars are not very good. I tried the TE exercise last night and it is a little bit tougher than the GE but I have no problem doing 3 sets of 15 for either exercise with the blue bar.

scotus
01-27-2010, 09:08 AM
Ok so Red = Child, Green = Adult, Blue = MAN (Grrrrr!) :)

Thanks mate, I think I'll go with the Blue, if it's too much then you can always "half twist" it. Or perhaps I'll get both green and blue and save my blushes...

For those of you who are recovering from TE, I would highly recommend that you start out with RED.

In rehab, you are trying to strengthen your tendon, not your muscle. Just because the flexbar feels easy on your muscles doesn't mean your tendons can handle it without risking injury.

I have all 3 bars, and I have found that the RED is quite helpful if you do the exercise correctly.

The Tyler exercise is to be done slowly especially on the eccentric phase (the very last part). You are to resist lengthening of the muscles around the wrist/forearm while still allowing a very slow lengthening. It may be a good idea to count slowly up to 10 during this phase. Do this for 3 sets of 15 reps each, and you will feel the burn.

Remember it is not how much force your muscles can exert. It is all about rehabilitating your injured tendon.

So take it easy on your tendon.

origmarm
01-27-2010, 09:20 AM
Given the above comments and the mild nature of my TE I might just "split the difference" and go for the green one :)

scotus
01-27-2010, 09:50 AM
Given the above comments and the mild nature of my TE I might just "split the difference" and go for the green one :)

Sounds better to me.

kslick
01-27-2010, 10:44 AM
For those of you who are recovering from TE, I would highly recommend that you start out with RED.

In rehab, you are trying to strengthen your tendon, not your muscle. Just because the flexbar feels easy on your muscles doesn't mean your tendons can handle it without risking injury.

I have all 3 bars, and I have found that the RED is quite helpful if you do the exercise correctly.

The Tyler exercise is to be done slowly especially on the eccentric phase (the very last part). You are to resist lengthening of the muscles around the wrist/forearm while still allowing a very slow lengthening. It may be a good idea to count slowly up to 10 during this phase. Do this for 3 sets of 15 reps each, and you will feel the burn.

Remember it is not how much force your muscles can exert. It is all about rehabilitating your injured tendon.

So take it easy on your tendon.

Great post.

I learned the hard way. I thought the green one was to easy so I jump up to the blue...well after a week I noticed my GE was getting really sore.I could complete the exercises but..... Then I thought back and remembered it doesn't take much weight to work the tendon and that is the main goal, not the muscle.

mark999
01-27-2010, 11:08 AM
For some reason I can't get these in the UK from the big river site. Will have to look elsewhere or wait for the trip to the US. Did anyone try PowerBalls?

try the cando twist and bend bars. very similar to the flex bars and usually cheaper. try the green if you have tennis elbow, blue if you have no pain and want to prevent TE.

mark999
01-27-2010, 11:09 AM
For some reason I can't get these in the UK from the big river site. Will have to look elsewhere or wait for the trip to the US. Did anyone try PowerBalls?

powerball is no help once you have tennis elbow. will not cure it.

scotus
01-27-2010, 11:39 AM
try the cando twist and bend bars. very similar to the flex bars and usually cheaper. try the green if you have tennis elbow, blue if you have no pain and want to prevent TE.

I decided against the Cando brand after reading those horror reviews.

ChrisBackAtIt
01-27-2010, 05:12 PM
I had a question regarding where the actual pain is in TE..

I realize "elbow" is in the name, but I wanted to know if the area effected by TE includes the outer arm above the elbow.

I have a funny feeling I've been swinging to violently on my serves with my LM Radical OS.

origmarm
01-27-2010, 11:58 PM
I decided against the Cando brand after reading those horror reviews.

I ordered a Thera Band brand green one last night. Saw these but wasn't sure they were the same product, looks like I might have dodged a bullet. What horror reviews? Did I miss something?

mark999
01-28-2010, 04:18 AM
I decided against the Cando brand after reading those horror reviews.

what horror reviews? been using the twist and bend for about 6 months and they are essentially the same as the theraband bars. ive used both.

mikeler
01-28-2010, 05:08 AM
I had a question regarding where the actual pain is in TE..

I realize "elbow" is in the name, but I wanted to know if the area effected by TE includes the outer arm above the elbow.

I have a funny feeling I've been swinging to violently on my serves with my LM Radical OS.


You have the large bone sticking out of your elbow then you have two smaller bony protrusions on the outside and inside of that. GE is on the inside and TE is on the outside. Depending on how bad the pain is, it may extend all the way up to the wrist. Luckily I never had pain in the arm, just the elbow area.

mikeler
01-28-2010, 05:10 AM
what horror reviews? been using the twist and bend for about 6 months and they are essentially the same as the theraband bars. ive used both.


I'm sure both are fine. Last night I had no elbow pain so I almost decided against doing the exercise. Then I caved and did them and had no pain afterwards. These bars really seem to work for me.

athiker
01-28-2010, 08:19 AM
I got the green and the blue Flexbar from www.ptmart.com They had the lowest price including shipping that I could find. I keep it by my desk and try to use it about 3x/day per the NY Times blog article.

I am an adult male and am still using the green. I wouldn't call it hard, but as mentioned above, I don't think the idea is to really stress your tendon but gradually rehab it via strengthening. The blue still feels a little too firm. My elbow has steadily improved...slowly but surely. I'm not playing as much as in the summer but I have played through the rehab.

I also ice at the first sign of real inflammation and wear a Band-it frequently. In addition I occasionally massage the area linearly (but not right after playing when it may be inflamed). Finally, I do some light stretching of both my top forearm and lower forearm. Oh, and I do take more care warming up now with light hitting 'mini-tennis' before heading to the baseline.

EDIT: I should also add I am more careful about hitting late on my 1HBH and have concentrated on hitting it with a firmer more stable wrist. I am more likely to slice my backhand if I'm late, which is probably the better play anyway, than try to wrist a topspin stroke.

J_R_B
01-28-2010, 10:16 AM
I had a question regarding where the actual pain is in TE..

I realize "elbow" is in the name, but I wanted to know if the area effected by TE includes the outer arm above the elbow.

I have a funny feeling I've been swinging to violently on my serves with my LM Radical OS.

Tricep weakness is also a symptom of tennis elbow. This is the large muscle muscle on the outside of your arm between the elbow and shoulder. When I got TE last year, one of the worst symptoms was that I could barely pick anything up with my right hand because my tricep felt so weak. Although, I would not describe the sensation in the muscle as "pain", it was definitely weakness. The pain was in my elbow and forearm, particularly when I was grasping something. Another clear sign of TE is tenderness on the bone on the outside of the elbow (not the big pointy bone on the back, but the smaller bone on the outside). The injury is not to the bone itself but nerves that run on top of the bone, but if you push on the bone, you will feel tenderness in the elbow due to the nerve irritation.

mikeler
01-28-2010, 10:26 AM
Tricep weakness is also a symptom of tennis elbow. This is the large muscle muscle on the outside of your arm between the elbow and shoulder. When I got TE last year, one of the worst symptoms was that I could barely pick anything up with my right hand because my tricep felt so weak. Although, I would not describe the sensation in the muscle as "pain", it was definitely weakness. The pain was in my elbow and forearm, particularly when I was grasping something. Another clear sign of TE is tenderness on the bone on the outside of the elbow (not the big pointy bone on the back, but the smaller bone on the outside). The injury is not to the bone itself but nerves that run on top of the bone, but if you push on the bone, you will feel tenderness in the elbow due to the nerve irritation.


Same thing goes for the GE bone. If you press it, you'll feel some irritation. You can also damage the tendon connecting the triceps to the elbow. That is what happened to me before I added GE on top of it.

scotus
07-31-2010, 12:53 AM
I ordered a Thera Band brand green one last night. Saw these but wasn't sure they were the same product, looks like I might have dodged a bullet. What horror reviews? Did I miss something?

Reviews on amazon.

scotus
07-31-2010, 12:54 AM
what horror reviews? been using the twist and bend for about 6 months and they are essentially the same as the theraband bars. ive used both.

Check amazon.

Bud
07-31-2010, 10:24 AM
just wanted to let everyone know that the mean ***** tennis elbow i have had since last june is just about healed up.
i live in ky, so the weather is not very good for tennis right now. i hope to get back on the courts in march if the weather is ok.
thanks to all that posted about how to help with the TE.
i have had (2) cortizone shots, lots of exercises, lots of rest and bought a Kennex 5G and a fischer pro 105 for the arm.
never never again will i play with a wilson hyper hammer, the worst possible racket for TE.
it has been a long long time in healing but the arm is about 90% now and i will take it easy for awhile and see how the arm reacts once i begin to play again.
just some hints for others who may be subject to TE:

1. play with a light head, heavy racket - 11.7oz or better
2. racket with stiffness rating of 65 or less
3. WARM UP BEFORE the match
4. Do arm exercises before the match to warm up the muscles
5. with the slightest hint of pain - stop and rest the arm, apply ice to the area and don't play again until the arm is better.

all the lessons above, i did not heed, and i have paid the price, over 6 months and not been able to play.
i have missed my tennis and hope to learn from my mistakes.
hope no one ever has TE. i would not wish that on my worst enemy.

thanks again

Pretty much everything I did when I was suffering from TE as well.

I'd also add... no poly strings until it's all cleared up. Once it's healed, try the poly... if you feel any pain/stiffness drop it completely.

sciwriter
08-02-2010, 06:51 AM
I had very painful tennis elbow for a few months, but it has cleared up in part by using Thera-band. It really works, though it took about three or four weeks of rest from tennis and ice therapy in tandem with Thera-band. I started out with green and then advanced to blue. Using Thera-band has also helped a chronic repetitive stress problem from computer use. Once my arm was feeling better, I went back to tennis slowly. I still use the band to exercise and stretch my arm.