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Zachol82
01-28-2010, 08:04 PM
Started my P90X workout! Refer to post #30 to see how much the first day kicked my ***.

It would help me if I could get some feedbacks on people who have tried p90x or are currently doing it. I can't really trust all these blogs and videos going around on the internet as much as you lovely TW addicts :p

First off, I just want to know if p90x will be affective for tennis. Sure, I want to look better, but only if it doesn't hinder my tennis performance.

Just out of curiosity, how intense is p90x compared to HIIT? I have been doing HIIT for more than a year now with great results, just thought I'd switch it up for now, since I'm on my break cycle for HIIT.

Lastly, are there any tips or anything I should know about this p90x program before starting?

Thanks a ton!

Jonny S&V
01-28-2010, 08:07 PM
It would help me if I could get some feedbacks on people who have tried p90x or are currently doing it. I can't really trust all these blogs and videos going around on the internet as much as you lovely TW addicts :p

First off, I just want to know if p90x will be affective for tennis. Sure, I want to look better, but only if it doesn't hinder my tennis performance.

Just out of curiosity, how intense is p90x compared to HIIT? I have been doing HIIT for more than a year now with great results, just thought I'd switch it up for now, since I'm on my break cycle for HIIT.

Lastly, are there any tips or anything I should know about this p90x program before starting?

Thanks a ton!

Let me get back to you in a couple months, I'm doing my research project for my Exercise Science major on whether or not A. It works and B. Why it works.

Zachol82
01-28-2010, 08:17 PM
Let me get back to you in a couple months, I'm doing my research project for my Exercise Science major on whether or not A. It works and B. Why it works.

Good to hear, Jonny. I'll be waiting with my 6-pack and 5% body fat in 60 days!

Just kidding. I was going to start on the program anyhow, I just wanted some opinions on this from the TW community so I know what to expect.

Tell you what, I plan to start it in 3 days. I'll give you some feedbacks on how it's going, for your science project, if you want.

Itagaki
01-28-2010, 08:18 PM
It would help me if I could get some feedbacks on people who have tried p90x or are currently doing it. I can't really trust all these blogs and videos going around on the internet as much as you lovely TW addicts :p

First off, I just want to know if p90x will be affective for tennis. Sure, I want to look better, but only if it doesn't hinder my tennis performance.

Just out of curiosity, how intense is p90x compared to HIIT? I have been doing HIIT for more than a year now with great results, just thought I'd switch it up for now, since I'm on my break cycle for HIIT.

Lastly, are there any tips or anything I should know about this p90x program before starting?

Thanks a ton!

i've never done HIIT, but i would say that it's pretty intense regardless

it will be effective for tennis as it helps build shoulder and arm strength and it also works the core a lol
plus the plyometrics workout

i doubt it will hinder your tennis playing unless you hurt yourself

things you should know...Yoga X is a *****, Kenpo X is an utter waste of time(see if you can get the Kenpo Cardio +, its slightly better)

teppeiahn1
01-28-2010, 09:19 PM
Its realy intence, thats all I can say about it.

lol naa but it is real tough. Its will defineately improve your tennis.
It might be better to start out with something easyer if your not built strong

Jonny S&V
01-28-2010, 09:21 PM
Good to hear, Jonny. I'll be waiting with my 6-pack and 5% body fat in 60 days!

Just kidding. I was going to start on the program anyhow, I just wanted some opinions on this from the TW community so I know what to expect.

Tell you what, I plan to start it in 3 days. I'll give you some feedbacks on how it's going, for your science project, if you want.

We can use all the info we can get, shoot me an email: jonny_sv@live.com

Ripper014
01-29-2010, 12:54 AM
It is a good program... I am not sure how much it will help you as far as pure strength given what you are currently doing. But it will help your tennis... I believe it developes what I consider working muscles... meaning muscles you actually use in day to day activities. You will not just look pretty... the yoga will help to keep you flexible too. As a friend of mine said after doing 45 minutes of the yoga video... (and the video is 90 minutes long), he will never make fun of yoga again.

I would recommend it to anyone.

What I like about it is... it is as intense as you want it to be. The more you put into it the more you get out of it. I would tell most people to go easy the first time through the videos, and push hard after that. Partly so you know what you are getting into, and partly to allow your body to know what it is getting into.

JStar7
01-29-2010, 06:37 AM
I started yesterday and it's really intense. Chest & Back is no joke whatsoever. Dive Bomber Pushups? I nearly died. The vibe i'm getting from everyone and the coach on the video, Tony Horton, is that you get what you put in and whatever you feel like doing, do it. Don't kill yourself, but push it to the limit. I'll see what Plyometrics is about in a little bit. My deltoids and back are so sore.

Zachol82
01-29-2010, 06:52 AM
It is a good program... I am not sure how much it will help you as far as pure strength given what you are currently doing. But it will help your tennis... I belive it developes what I consider working muscles... meaning muscles you actually use in day to day activities. You will not just look pretty... the yoga will help to keep you flexible too. As a friend of mine said after doing 45 minutes of the yoga video... (and the video is 90 minutes long), he will never make fun of yoga again.

I would recommend it to anyone.

What I like about it is... it is as intense as you want it to be. The more you put into it the more you get out of it. I would tell most people to go easy the first time through the videos, and push hard after that. Partly so you know what you are getting into, and partly to allow your body to know what it is getting into.

That's good to hear, I do want to be more flexible! I mean I can bend down and grab both my feet, but other than that, I'm not flexible anywhere else :[

Itagaki
01-29-2010, 06:56 AM
I started yesterday and it's really intense. Chest & Back is no joke whatsoever. Dive Bomber Pushups? I nearly died. The vibe i'm getting from everyone and the coach on the video, Tony Horton, is that you get what you put in and whatever you feel like doing, do it. Don't kill yourself, but push it to the limit. I'll see what Plyometrics is about in a little bit. My deltoids and back are so sore.

Wait till you hit back and biceps in the second phase

i did it on wednesday and my biceps still hurt like hell...and im supposed to do legs and back today

maybe it'd be better to switch the monday and wednesday workout in the second phase? so back and biceps monday, chest should tri wednesday, legs and back fri

Power Player
01-29-2010, 08:27 AM
P90x was being used by collegiate and pro athletes way before regular folks caught on to it. It should definitley help you in tennis.

jazzyfunkybluesy
01-29-2010, 08:46 AM
Its totally worth the 120 bucks man. I have never been that sore while working out alone. The plyometrics workout imo is the best workout on that program for tennis.

plumcrazy
01-29-2010, 09:08 AM
Its totally worth the 120 bucks man. I have never been that sore while working out alone. The plyometrics workout imo is the best workout on that program for tennis.

I agree! I stopped everything but the plyometrics workout. I feel a lot more bounce in my step on the court after doing plyo. 3 times a week for a couple of weeks.

JStar7
01-29-2010, 01:04 PM
Wait till you hit back and biceps in the second phase

i did it on wednesday and my biceps still hurt like hell...and im supposed to do legs and back today

maybe it'd be better to switch the monday and wednesday workout in the second phase? so back and biceps monday, chest should tri wednesday, legs and back fri

yeah i thought the tougher workouts that target muscle groups were supposed to be every other day? there's no way i'd do chest & back and then something like legs & back the next day. i'd die :shock:

I just finished plyometrics too. Plyo is no joke whatsoever. Especially b/c I just had Mono and have been laying in bed for like 3 weeks....it was like a wake-up call. Ab Ripper is no joke too. That was the most painful 17 minutes i've ever spent on anything...haha. I better look like Vin Diesel in 90 days.

Ripper014
01-29-2010, 01:22 PM
yeah i thought the tougher workouts that target muscle groups were supposed to be every other day? there's no way i'd do chest & back and then something like legs & back the next day. i'd die :shock:

I just finished plyometrics too. Plyo is no joke whatsoever. Especially b/c I just had Mono and have been laying in bed for like 3 weeks....it was like a wake-up call. Ab Ripper is no joke too. That was the most painful 17 minutes i've ever spent on anything...haha. I better look like Vin Diesel in 90 days.

There are things in AB Ripper I still cannot do... as well as some yoga moves. Like I said the girlfriend, men are not meant to bend like that.

I actually enjoy all the workouts with the exception of yoga and kenpo... I can appreciate the yoga... but the kenpo I can do without.

musicalmedic81
01-29-2010, 04:54 PM
P90X is awesome and will definitely help your tennis. I finished my first round in August and am currently in phase 3 of my second round. You were asking to see some real results, well heres mine from my first round:

Day 1
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o245/musicalmedic81/Day1-1-1.jpg

Day 30
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o245/musicalmedic81/Day30-1.jpg

Day 60
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o245/musicalmedic81/Day57.jpg

Day 90
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o245/musicalmedic81/Day90-2.jpg

coyfish
01-29-2010, 05:58 PM
P90x is an infomercial product geared towards the masses. There is nothing new or special about it. "Muscle confusion" is a load of BS. Just an effort to get you to spend 140 bucks. You are paying for what you could look up online for free. A workout routine. Not to mention there is only so much you can do in your own home. You will plateu in no time. The creativity is great but the program isn't for experienced lifters. Its for the masses / typical americans.

Intensity is what yields results. IT doesn't matter what you do. If spending money is what gets you motivated then go for it.

musicalmedic81
01-29-2010, 09:44 PM
I agree with you that you can look up all kinds of workouts on the internet, magazines, etc but I guarantee you your workouts are going to be a million times more efficient when its being presented to you in a structured format with a personal trainer right there with you show you all the moves and pace your workouts. Sure it costs money to buy the program, but hello, gym memberships aren't free either. Not for "experienced lifters"? What? So experienced lifters don't do bicep curls? or Squats? or Lunges? or Shoulder flys? or Pull ups? Push ups? Plyometrics?...wierd. What do you guys do then? And what do you mean typical americans? As opposed to extraordinary beings like yourself? Id be careful how you word things cause you're starting to come off as very arrogant. Ive been using the P90X videos for almost a year now, and Im still getting great results, and I havent spent a dime on a gym membership in nearly the same amount of time. Ive added in some other home routines along side the P90X workouts because you are right, you will plateau if you dont change things up every now and then (or confuse your muscles, which you just claimed was a load of BS)

But seriously bro I had been lifting weights in gyms for over 10 years before P90X, and in all those years I hadnt ever been as sore as I was after day 1 chest and back. And don't tell me its cause I wasnt getting "intense" before because you dont know me nor have any clue what my workouts were like. Bottom line though, whether you go to the gym or workout to dvds at home, you're still spending money one way or the other. That is unless you have somebody paying your gym memberships for you. The way I see it, as long as you are working hard and improving the quality of your life then it makes no difference.

coyfish
01-30-2010, 07:28 AM
I agree with you that you can look up all kinds of workouts on the internet, magazines, etc but I guarantee you your workouts are going to be a million times more efficient when its being presented to you in a structured format with a personal trainer right there with you show you all the moves and pace your workouts. Sure it costs money to buy the program, but hello, gym memberships aren't free either. Not for "experienced lifters"? What? So experienced lifters don't do bicep curls? or Squats? or Lunges? or Shoulder flys? or Pull ups? Push ups? Plyometrics?...wierd. What do you guys do then? And what do you mean typical americans? As opposed to extraordinary beings like yourself? Id be careful how you word things cause you're starting to come off as very arrogant. Ive been using the P90X videos for almost a year now, and Im still getting great results, and I havent spent a dime on a gym membership in nearly the same amount of time. Ive added in some other home routines along side the P90X workouts because you are right, you will plateau if you dont change things up every now and then (or confuse your muscles, which you just claimed was a load of BS)

But seriously bro I had been lifting weights in gyms for over 10 years before P90X, and in all those years I hadnt ever been as sore as I was after day 1 chest and back. And don't tell me its cause I wasnt getting "intense" before because you dont know me nor have any clue what my workouts were like. Bottom line though, whether you go to the gym or workout to dvds at home, you're still spending money one way or the other. That is unless you have somebody paying your gym memberships for you. The way I see it, as long as you are working hard and improving the quality of your life then it makes no difference.


I agree with a couple points you make. Let me attempt to clarify. First of all you are right, I don't know you. But I have been in amateur bodybuilding competitions and im a medical school student. So I understand the science behind how muscles work / respond. That being said:

Soreness isn't an indicator of the effectiveness of your workout. You get more sore when you work your muscles to fatigue through high rep / low intensity. That doesn't mean you are getting any stronger. You say you weren't getting results in the gym. I can assure you, unless your workouts were terrible (if you were working out for 10 years lets hope not) that means you weren't trying hard enough. I see it all the time and I have done it myself. People fall into routines in the gym, especially when they workout alone. Numbers are what govern their routines instead of intensity. You have to push yourself to exhaustion, squeezing out that last rep when you think you have nothing left.

I say its not for experienced lifters. What I mean is its not for people who are already in shape (I realize this is a relative term.) My mom does p90x and I did 4-5 workouts when I was home over the holidays. It was a good cardio workout but I wasn't forced to build anymore muscle. Why?? Because to get stronger you need to stress muscle. Doing push ups and pull ups only get you so far. Those paid advertisements are perfect examples. Here is a fun fact. Horton (creator) paid motivated (keyword) individuals to follow his program so he could prove its effectiveness. What he doesn't tell you is many of those people were trained seperately in gym's and did seperate cardio in addition to the p90x program. That is a fact.

And "muscle confusion" is BS lol. You can't confuse your muscle. Your muscles adapt when they are stressed. Simple as that. If you do wide grip bench press all the time you will hit more lats and outer chest. Then if you switch to closer grip 4 weeks later you will focus on inner chest / tri's. So changing things up is good but your not "confusing" anything.

Im not coming off as arrogant. Im just laying it to you how it is. I praise horton for creating an appealing program that simply restates what is already common. He has made millions.

"typical americans" are well . . . typical americans. Data shows that most americans are overweight / out of shape. There you go. A generalization . . . yes . . . but its true. Thats the crowd this program is geared towards.

In conclusion I wanted to illustrate that p90x is a business product just like any other. There is nothing special or unique about it. I think he does a good job making things fun and the DVD's are easy to use. But what you are paying for is essentially a workout routine. But if thats what it takes to get you motivated to push yourself . . . than its worth it.

I also think its great for beginners or people who don't have the time to hit the gym (which are few and far between). Or those looking to loose weight. Its not like im some superhuman bodybuilder anyway. Im only 5"10, 168, 8% BF. I can rep out 225 lbs 11 times so doing bodyweight exersizes / pushups wont net me results.

Itagaki
01-30-2010, 09:27 AM
yeah i thought the tougher workouts that target muscle groups were supposed to be every other day? there's no way i'd do chest & back and then something like legs & back the next day. i'd die :shock:

I just finished plyometrics too. Plyo is no joke whatsoever. Especially b/c I just had Mono and have been laying in bed for like 3 weeks....it was like a wake-up call. Ab Ripper is no joke too. That was the most painful 17 minutes i've ever spent on anything...haha. I better look like Vin Diesel in 90 days.

after actually doing the legs and back on friday, turns out it isnt so bad

yea my biceps hurt, but i was still able to do just as many pull ups as i always do on that day

Zachol82
01-30-2010, 12:11 PM
musicalmedic81, it's obvious that the p90x program works for you, according to your pictures.

I have been doing HIIT as well as weight liftings and I did drop a good 40lbs within 6 months and lost 5% in bodyfat. My endurance and strength increased dramatically, but I still don't look as toned as I'd like to yet. Seeing as how the p90x program made you look freakin ripped, I am pretty excited to start the program myself.

What would you say the hardest exercise for you is in the p90x program?

musicalmedic81
01-30-2010, 02:09 PM
musicalmedic81, it's obvious that the p90x program works for you, according to your pictures.

I have been doing HIIT as well as weight liftings and I did drop a good 40lbs within 6 months and lost 5% in bodyfat. My endurance and strength increased dramatically, but I still don't look as toned as I'd like to yet. Seeing as how the p90x program made you look freakin ripped, I am pretty excited to start the program myself.

What would you say the hardest exercise for you is in the p90x program?


Thanks man I appreciate that. I think the hardest workout is definitely Plyometrics. I think anybody whos ever done the program will probably tell you that. If you are used to doing HIIT then you may do pretty well with it. The first few times I did it I ended up lying on my back on the floor completely spent. The reason its so tough is that not only is it a cardio workout, you're also using large muscle groups, quads, gluts, hams, which speeds up your HR enough in itself. So throw in the fact that its about an hour long super-set with only a few 30 second breaks you have the makings of a serious ***** whoopin my friend. But it just depends on what your strengths are. Chest and back is hard too for a lot of people who arent so great at pull ups or push ups. That happens to be my bread and butter so I love that one. But you have to do everything to really tone your whole body, so if you are going to do it, commit to it 100%, dont just do the ones you like and slack off on the ones you dont. Thats my advice, I wish you the best with it man! Post up some pics of your progress when you get going!

Itagaki
01-30-2010, 02:14 PM
Thanks man I appreciate that. I think the hardest workout is definitely Plyometrics. I think anybody whos ever done the program will probably tell you that. If you are used to doing HIIT then you may do pretty well with it. The first few times I did it I ended up lying on my back on the floor completely spent. The reason its so tough is that not only is it a cardio workout, you're also using large muscle groups, quads, gluts, hams, which speeds up your HR enough in itself. So throw in the fact that its about an hour long super-set with only a few 30 second breaks you have the makings of a serious ***** whoopin my friend. But it just depends on what your strengths are. Chest and back is hard too for a lot of people who arent so great at pull ups or push ups. That happens to be my bread and butter so I love that one. But you have to do everything to really tone your whole body, so if you are going to do it, commit to it 100%, dont just do the ones you like and slack off on the ones you dont. Thats my advice, I wish you the best with it man! Post up some pics of your progress when you get going!


personally i find plyometrics rather enjoyable

yoga is the hardest for me...its long, difficult, and takes a lot of patience

musicalmedic81
01-30-2010, 02:45 PM
I agree with a couple points you make. Let me attempt to clarify. First of all you are right, I don't know you. But I have been in amateur bodybuilding competitions and im a medical school student. So I understand the science behind how muscles work / respond. That being said:

Soreness isn't an indicator of the effectiveness of your workout. You get more sore when you work your muscles to fatigue through high rep / low intensity. That doesn't mean you are getting any stronger. You say you weren't getting results in the gym. I can assure you, unless your workouts were terrible (if you were working out for 10 years lets hope not) that means you weren't trying hard enough. I see it all the time and I have done it myself. People fall into routines in the gym, especially when they workout alone. Numbers are what govern their routines instead of intensity. You have to push yourself to exhaustion, squeezing out that last rep when you think you have nothing left.

I say its not for experienced lifters. What I mean is its not for people who are already in shape (I realize this is a relative term.) My mom does p90x and I did 4-5 workouts when I was home over the holidays. It was a good cardio workout but I wasn't forced to build anymore muscle. Why?? Because to get stronger you need to stress muscle. Doing push ups and pull ups only get you so far. Those paid advertisements are perfect examples. Here is a fun fact. Horton (creator) paid motivated (keyword) individuals to follow his program so he could prove its effectiveness. What he doesn't tell you is many of those people were trained seperately in gym's and did seperate cardio in addition to the p90x program. That is a fact.

And "muscle confusion" is BS lol. You can't confuse your muscle. Your muscles adapt when they are stressed. Simple as that. If you do wide grip bench press all the time you will hit more lats and outer chest. Then if you switch to closer grip 4 weeks later you will focus on inner chest / tri's. So changing things up is good but your not "confusing" anything.

Im not coming off as arrogant. Im just laying it to you how it is. I praise horton for creating an appealing program that simply restates what is already common. He has made millions.

"typical americans" are well . . . typical americans. Data shows that most americans are overweight / out of shape. There you go. A generalization . . . yes . . . but its true. Thats the crowd this program is geared towards.

In conclusion I wanted to illustrate that p90x is a business product just like any other. There is nothing special or unique about it. I think he does a good job making things fun and the DVD's are easy to use. But what you are paying for is essentially a workout routine. But if thats what it takes to get you motivated to push yourself . . . than its worth it.

I also think its great for beginners or people who don't have the time to hit the gym (which are few and far between). Or those looking to loose weight. Its not like im some superhuman bodybuilder anyway. Im only 5"10, 168, 8% BF. I can rep out 225 lbs 11 times so doing bodyweight exersizes / pushups wont net me results.

First of all I applaud your stats and your ability to maintain such peak form, especially while juggling the demands of medical school. Ive been in the medical field as a paramedic for almost 7 years and have my fair share of knowledge on the subject as well. You're still reading way too much into this though. The OP is not a bodybuilder. P90X is not for bodybuilders. Never said it was. Its a fitness program that focuses on so much more than just getting built and strong. Its strength, speed, agility, endurance, balance, coordination, core strength and flexibilty, which seeing how this is a tennis forum, and the OP was asking whether this program would improve his tennis I would have to say it would. And why not promote it if its done wonders for me?

I was at a point in my life where I wasnt getting results at the gym anymore. For one, all my gym buddies had bailed on me and I was working out by myself. That makes it extremely hard to stay motivated and keep pushing yourself as hard as you can. As you can tell from my before picture, I had lost a lot of my muscle tone and general fitness and was headed down the same path as many late 20 somethings who eventually get discouraged and fall off the fitness wagon into "past their prime" obscurity. When I found P90X that all changed for me and I can honestly say Im in better shape at nearly 29 than I was at 20.

Also, no its not geared towards out of shape, overweight people. If you go to the website and read about it, there is actually a fit test that you are supposed to be able to pass before they recommend you to try it. They make it very clear that P90X isnt for everybody, its for people who are already in pretty good shape who want to push their bodies to the limit.

Sure, beachbody, the company who made P90X, is business, its about making money. But isnt everything these days? Personal trainers, gyms, etc all that is about making money too. The bottom line like Ive said before is improving the quality of your life. P90X did it for me and I will continue to recommend it to anyone who wants to challenge them self and improve their overall athleticism and general fitness.

coyfish
01-30-2010, 03:08 PM
First of all I applaud your stats and your ability to maintain such peak form, especially while juggling the demands of medical school. Ive been in the medical field as a paramedic for almost 7 years and have my fair share of knowledge on the subject as well. You're still reading way too much into this though. The OP is not a bodybuilder. P90X is not for bodybuilders. Never said it was. Its a fitness program that focuses on so much more than just getting built and strong. Its strength, speed, agility, endurance, and flexibilty, which seeing how this is a tennis forum, and the OP was asking whether this program would improve his tennis I would have to say it would. And why not promote it if its done wonders for me?

I was at a point in my life where I wasnt getting results at the gym anymore. For one, all my gym buddies had bailed on me and I was working out by myself. That makes it extremely hard to stay motivated and keep pushing yourself as hard as you can. As you can tell from my before picture, I had lost a lot of my muscle tone and general fitness and was headed down the same path as many late 20 somethings who eventually get discouraged and fall off the fitness wagon into "past their prime" obscurity. When I found P90X that all changed for me and I can honestly say Im in better shape at nearly 29 than I was at 20.

Also, no its not geared towards out of shape, overweight people. If you go to the website and read about it, there is actually a fit test that you are supposed to be able to pass before they recommend you to try it. They make it very clear that P90X isnt for everybody, its for people who are already in pretty good shape who want to push their bodies to the limit.

Sure, beachbody, the company who made P90X, is business, its about making money. But isnt everything these days? Personal trainers, gyms, etc all that is about making money too. The bottom line like Ive said before is improving the quality of your life. P90X did it for me and I will continue to recommend it to anyone who wants to challenge them self and improve their overall athleticism and general fitness.


They say its not for out of shape people on the website to help avoid lawsuits when people break their arms falling from doing crazy kickboxing. I understand your point though. I have no problem with you promoting what you think works. I wasn't aiming my criticisms are you intentionally. I was trying to illustrate that p90x isn't a "magic" program. People get sucked in by false advertisements and fancy terms like "muscle confusion." Its the hard work and intensity that net results. It really doens't matter what you do.


What I said about people promoting the program who are ripped . . . is true. Many of them did seperate regimens to get "look ready" for TV.

You sound like you made an informed decision to buy the product. Thats applaudable. It just annoys me when people buy the product brainwashed by propoganda expecting some sort of miracle.

Ripper014
01-30-2010, 04:21 PM
personally i find plyometrics rather enjoyable

yoga is the hardest for me...its long, difficult, and takes a lot of patience


Same here... plyometrics is more about endurance and having explosive power on demand, which I have with my legs. I am good in strength to weight ratio with my lower body.

But I second YogaX... though I do get through it... it is long (the longest of all the workouts 90 minutes), and there are plenty of stretches I cannot do... it is a great workout for strength, balance and flexibility. Definitely not for the weak of mind or body.

Ripper014
01-30-2010, 04:31 PM
They say its not for out of shape people on the website to help avoid lawsuits when people break their arms falling from doing crazy kickboxing. I understand your point though. I have no problem with you promoting what you think works. I wasn't aiming my criticisms are you intentionally. I was trying to illustrate that p90x isn't a "magic" program. People get sucked in by false advertisements and fancy terms like "muscle confusion." Its the hard work and intensity that net results. It really doens't matter what you do.


What I said about people promoting the program who are ripped . . . is true. Many of them did seperate regimens to get "look ready" for TV.

You sound like you made an informed decision to buy the product. Thats applaudable. It just annoys me when people buy the product brainwashed by propoganda expecting some sort of miracle.



I don't know if you have tried the program... but it actually works. I don't know about how ripped you are going to get... because like I mentioned eariler it is about how much you are going to put into the program (how intense you make it). When I was doing it, I got stronger quickly... and I did notice while playing sports I was stronger, quicker and much more agile. I also toned up quite a bit... a lot of people commented on it... though I did not notice that much of a difference. I guess you never do as the differences are so gradual...

My girlfriend who runs marathons and circuit trains hates workout videos... saying she has never seen a good one, actually has good things to say about P90x.

I am a supporter of the program... and if you can stick to it... even without the diet portion you will benefit from it. But like I said... it is about how much effort you are willing to put in... if you push hard you will get maximum results.

coyfish
01-30-2010, 04:58 PM
I don't know if you have tried the program... but it actually works. I don't know about how ripped you are going to get... because like I mentioned eariler it is about how much you are going to put into the program (how intense you make it). When I was doing it, I got stronger quickly... and I did notice while playing sports I was stronger, quicker and much more agile. I also toned up quite a bit... a lot of people commented on it... though I did not notice that much of a difference. I guess you never do as the differences are so gradual...

My girlfriend who runs marathons and circuit trains hates workout videos... saying she has never seen a good one, actually has good things to say about P90x.

I am a supporter of the program... and if you can stick to it... even without the diet portion you will benefit from it. But like I said... it is about how much effort you are willing to put in... if you push hard you will get maximum results.

Well it depends on what your goals are. Ripped is a very relative term. Unless you consider specific circumstances you can't gain muscle while losing fat. One of these circumstances is beginner lifters or people who haven't lifted in a long time. You will gain strength at a fast rate for a little while even in a caloric deficit. But this will plateau quickly.

That is why I think p90x is good for beginners. Lots of bodyweight exersizes and full body routines which don't overload you too bad at first. Then they gradually increase the intensity. Beyond modest limits though you will start to plateau. You could invest in a lot of dumbells I guess but you can only do so much with bodyweight.

musicalmedic81
01-30-2010, 05:47 PM
Totally agree that the people in the infomercials results are a bit misleading. Some people probably buy it for the gimmick, but they will quickly find out that they have to put in some serious work or they're not going to see results.

Anyway, all is well, no offense taken

Zachol82
01-31-2010, 07:27 AM
WOO! I just started my first unofficial day of p90x yesterday, I did the plyometrics and ab ripper x, since I heard plyometrics was the most intense, therefore I had to try it.

My opinion on it? Yea, plyometrics IS pretty intense. I wasn't able to catch my breath for the last 10 minutes of the video, but I was able to push my way through it anyhow. I also took an extra 2 minutes break in the middle as well. Other then that, I think I can handle the program. The ab ripper x after ward did kill me though, mainly because my legs, gluts, quads and all that were already dead from plyometrics.

I woke up this morning to pretty sore calves, somewhat sore hamstrings and EXTREMELY sore gluts. Everytime I have to bend over to pick up something...or even when I have to take a sh*t in the bathroom, is a pain in the *** (haha, get it? gluts, ass?...yea ok)

I will start my official p90x day 1 on Monday!

Ronaldo
02-12-2010, 11:50 AM
Anyone try the Insanity workout by the same company?

r2473
02-12-2010, 12:39 PM
Anyone try the Insanity workout by the same company?

http://listentoleon.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/stop-the-insanity-susan-powter.jpg

musicalmedic81
02-15-2010, 06:43 AM
Yes, I have tried some of the insanity workouts, found them on the pirate bay. Some of the hardest cardio I have ever done in my life. Makes P90X plyo feel like a walk in the park. Though insanity isnt as brutal on your legs as P90X is, it works your heart and lungs twice as hard. Will def get you lean and in fantastic shape, but wont do much to add muscle. I've been doing the resistance workouts from P90X mixed in with insanity workouts on the opposite days for cardio. They're no joke though man, its called insanity for a reason. And you'll find out why when you're down on your hands and knees about to puke and wondering how in the heck that guy is still going.

Itagaki
02-16-2010, 06:28 AM
Never personally tried insanity, but it looks interesting

in terms of price and equipment, probably a better deal than p90x since it requires no weights as i understand

back on the topic of p90x, how's everyone doing on it?

I almost lost all motivation last week, workouts getting boring and repetitive, lack of results noticeable results

made me seriously want to go back to the gym and start strength training again

linear progression >> repetitive workouts with generally the same weights

core synergistics this morning pretty much renewed my motivation to keep going though

Djokovicfan4life
02-18-2010, 07:43 AM
Though insanity isnt as brutal on your legs as P90X is, it works your heart and lungs twice as hard. Will def get you lean and in fantastic shape, but wont do much to add muscle.

Not to mention that trainees on P90X may actually lose muscle if they're not eating enough. I'm no cardio hater, but I do chuckle a bit when I see that everyone seems to consider it to be the golden standard of fitness (not you).

azbabolat
02-18-2010, 07:48 AM
I did it for one week and it tired me out too much for tennis

SalvadorVeiga
02-18-2010, 09:37 AM
Well it depends on what your goals are. Ripped is a very relative term. Unless you consider specific circumstances you can't gain muscle while losing fat. One of these circumstances is beginner lifters or people who haven't lifted in a long time. You will gain strength at a fast rate for a little while even in a caloric deficit. But this will plateau quickly.

That is why I think p90x is good for beginners. Lots of bodyweight exersizes and full body routines which don't overload you too bad at first. Then they gradually increase the intensity. Beyond modest limits though you will start to plateau. You could invest in a lot of dumbells I guess but you can only do so much with bodyweight.

well... bodyweight exercises at a time you may plateau... just increase resistance then. I have no dumbells whatsover... nowadays i do my bodyweight exercises with 30 lbs backpack, and usually with some tube resistance along...