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Mansewerz
03-07-2010, 12:05 PM
After reading about pro stock Wilsons, I learned that the H22 was designed to give Head lovers who used the PT57s something similar that was better at volleys.


So I wonder: Have there been any all court/serve and volley head users?

Greek Goliath
03-07-2010, 12:33 PM
Ivo Karlovic used to be with HEAD, and Ivan Navarro (sp?) is a HEAD-sponsored serve and volleyer (both contemporary), who played Taylor Dent in the epic US Open match in 2009.

Cheers,

Greek Goliath

Kick Serve 14
03-07-2010, 12:40 PM
After reading about pro stock Wilsons, I learned that the H22 was designed to give Head lovers who used the PT57s something similar that was better at volleys.


So I wonder: Have there been any all court/serve and volley head users?
Didn't Guillermo Vilas serve and volley, as well as Arthur Ashe? Then again, both of these men were far before my time, and didn't use the rackets you are referring to...

Greek Goliath
03-07-2010, 01:26 PM
Didn't Guillermo Vilas serve and volley, as well as Arthur Ashe? Then again, both of these men were far before my time, and didn't use the rackets you are referring to...

Both of them used wooden racquets, right? So they wouldn't be relevant to the topic at hand, which I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) is referring to graphite/composite frames. So consider around mid-1980s to present (the decline of serve and volley accelerating in the 1990s).

Cheers,

Greek Goliath

Kick Serve 14
03-07-2010, 02:33 PM
Both of them used wooden racquets, right? So they wouldn't be relevant to the topic at hand, which I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) is referring to graphite/composite frames. So consider around mid-1980s to present (the decline of serve and volley accelerating in the 1990s).

Cheers,

Greek Goliath

Actually, to be technical, Ashe used the Arthur Ashe competition, which was a fiberglass/graphite/wood composition. While Vilas used a Graphite/fiberglass racket at the end of the year...

Don't Let It Bounce
03-07-2010, 04:48 PM
You could call Ivanisevic an all-courter, but of course you could also object that picking off the dying quails that came fluttering back after he served didn't require much in the way of a dedicated volleying stick...

Remember, all the pro stock racquets come off the line extremely light to allow for a great deal of customization, including customization to the specs that [many] volleyers like. Given the variation between one player's customized PT57 and another's, I can't see how it's possible for PT57's in general to be disadvantageous at the net.

vsbabolat
03-07-2010, 04:57 PM
Actually, to be technical, Ashe used the Arthur Ashe competition, which was a fiberglass/graphite/wood composition. While Vilas used a Graphite/fiberglass racket at the end of the year...

The Arthur Ashe Competition was fiberglass sandwiched between two sheets of aluminum.


Jason Stoltenberg used the Prestige Tour 600 and was a serve and volly player.

Mansewerz
03-07-2010, 05:08 PM
You could call Ivanisevic an all-courter, but of course you could also object that picking off the dying quails that came fluttering back after he served didn't require much in the way of a dedicated volleying stick...

Remember, all the pro stock racquets come off the line extremely light to allow for a great deal of customization, including customization to the specs that [many] volleyers like. Given the variation between one player's customized PT57 and another's, I can't see how it's possible for PT57's in general to be disadvantageous at the net.

Yes, thats why I think too, i'm just curious.

The Arthur Ashe Competition was fiberglass sandwiched between two sheets of aluminum.


Jason Stoltenberg used the Prestige Tour 600 and was a serve and volly player.

I see. I understand that you use the PC600. What is your game style?

Kick Serve 14
03-07-2010, 05:18 PM
The Arthur Ashe Competition was fiberglass sandwiched between two sheets of aluminum...

Really? I did not know that. Thanks for correcting me...

JW10S
03-07-2010, 05:41 PM
After the 1980's only a handful of players can be classified as true S&Vers but the list notable HEAD racquet users who came into net a lot and S&Ved some of the time during their heydays would include: Goran Ivanisevic, Jan Siemerink, Eric Jelen, Marc Rosset, Richey Reneberg, Jason Stoltenberg, Alex O'Brien, Joachim Johansson (later switched to Yonex), Fabrice Santoro, Hishim Arazzi, Karim Alami, Adrian Voinea, Mark Philippousis (later switched to Dunlop, back to HEAD, to Wilson, back to HEAD, etc, etc), Jared Palmer, Jonathon Stark, Mark Knowles, and me, to name just some. And of course there are many doubles specialists who've used and are currently using HEAD racquets who S&V.

vsbabolat
03-07-2010, 06:21 PM
After the 1980's only a handful of players can be classified as true S&Vers but the list notable HEAD racquet users who came into net a lot and S&Ved some of the time during their heydays would include: Goran Ivanisevic, Jan Siemerink, Eric Jelen, Marc Rosset, Richey Reneberg, Jason Stoltenberg, Alex O'Brien, Joachim Johansson (later switched to Yonex), Fabrice Santoro, Hishim Arazzi, Karim Alami, Adrian Voinea, Mark Philippousis (later switched to Dunlop, back to HEAD, to Wilson, back to HEAD, etc, etc), Jared Palmer, Jonathon Stark, Mark Knowles, and me, to name just some. And of course there are many doubles specialists who've used and are currently using HEAD racquets who S&V.

You cant forget Henri Leconte, Andre Pavel (used Prestige Classic 600 before Fischer), and Marc-Kevin Goellner:)

JW10S
03-07-2010, 06:35 PM
You cant forget Henri Leconte, Andre Pavel (used Prestige Classic 600 before Fischer), and Marc-Kevin Goellner:)Yeah I did forget them, Goellner was (probably still is) a nice guy. You could add Arnaud Boetch, Leif Shiras, Roger Smith, David Wheaton and Justin Gimelstaub to that list. Justin used a Radical when he 1st turned pro and when he and Serena won the Hopman Cup (or at least finished highly) before switching to Babolat. Sanchez and Casal made a good doubles team S&Ving with their 600s. Don't know that I saw Pavel come to net all that often but I don't know how I forgot you though...

vsbabolat
03-07-2010, 06:51 PM
Yeah I did forget them, Goellner was (probably still is) a nice guy. You could add Arnaud Boetch, Leif Shiras, Roger Smith, David Wheaton and Justin Gimelstaub to that list. Justin used a Radical when he 1st turned pro and when he and Serena won the Hopman Cup (or at least finished highly) before switching to Babolat. Sanchez and Casal made a good doubles team S&Ving with their 600s. Don't know that I saw Pavel come to net all that often but I don't know how I forgot you though...

Pavel probably came to the net about as much as Arazi.;) On a serious note. I think Arazi was one of the best pure strikers of the ball. That guy was fluid. He was really entertaing to watch.:)

himynameisNIKE
03-07-2010, 08:16 PM
Pavel is actually my coach and wheni asked him about his rackets which is a wilson k blade tour (the h22 you guys keep talking about????) he said it was based off of a head frame. Hope this was some help. and btw he may not have come to the net often but his volleys are ridiculous :)

JW10S
03-07-2010, 08:25 PM
Pavel is actually my coach and wheni asked him about his rackets which is a wilson k blade tour (the h22 you guys keep talking about????) he said it was based off of a head frame. Hope this was some help. and btw he may not have come to the net often but his volleys are ridiculous :)Companies are always attempting to copy and imitate HEAD frames. A friend of mine is a VP for Wilson and is constantly trying to get me to switch. He sends me racquets all the time saying 'it plays just like a Prestige'--but they never do...

raging
03-07-2010, 11:33 PM
nothing played like a prestige! I had 8 of them and sold/gave them away when I
changed companies...but I have never forgotten!

dr325i
04-24-2010, 07:39 AM
Companies are always attempting to copy and imitate HEAD frames. A friend of mine is a VP for Wilson and is constantly trying to get me to switch. He sends me racquets all the time saying 'it plays just like a Prestige'--but they never do...

Are you a Pro, or...?

OliverSimon
04-24-2010, 08:08 AM
I think Ivan Navarro used a K-Blade for a little while. Could this have been the H22?
http://www.tennis-open.net/tennis_photos/d46-d984-c34-e4624.jpg

dr325i
04-24-2010, 08:43 AM
I think Ivan Navarro used a K-Blade for a little while. Could this have been the H22?
http://www.tennis-open.net/tennis_photos/d46-d984-c34-e4624.jpg

Looks like it -- definitely looks thicker tha the KBT