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Fedchamp
03-16-2010, 05:27 AM
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that Federer is striking the ball visibly better with the BLX than when he used the K raphite? Almost back to the level he was striking with the N-code, which was visibly better still.

mikro112
03-16-2010, 05:36 AM
Welcome to the world of paintjobs!

skyzoo
03-16-2010, 06:07 AM
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that Federer is striking the ball visibly better with the BLX than when he used the K raphite? Almost back to the level he was striking with the N-code, which was visibly better still.

Also welcome to the Forum. You should probably take a look around before starting your posts...

Fedace
03-16-2010, 06:15 AM
Agree, that BLX has improved his game vastly, but he is still spraying the ball everywhere on the forehand. Fed himself has said,,,"What is wrong with my Forehand??" during hit for Haiti night.

marsh
03-16-2010, 06:23 AM
Too bad he's not actually playing with a BLLX racquet.

JoelDali
03-16-2010, 06:36 AM
I hate to admit it but I have put in 6 hours now with a TW BLX demo and love it. I've pummeled the HollowCore pro strings...sorry TW :(

I may leave behind the 88 and my STV for a Bullox. O Dear God I don't wanna be a *******.

:(

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e237/JoeDali/IMG00052-20100315-1842.jpg

jazzyfunkybluesy
03-16-2010, 06:41 AM
Is it better than the K90 Salvadore Dali?

mikro112
03-16-2010, 07:00 AM
I hate to admit it but I have put in 6 hours now with a TW BLX demo and love it. I've pummeled the HollowCore pro strings...sorry TW :(

I may leave behind the 88 and my STV for a Bullox. O Dear God I don't wanna be a *******.

:(

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e237/JoeDali/IMG00052-20100315-1842.jpg
When I had a TW demo racquet of the K-Blade Tour, the fresh strings (don't know which one, some multi) lasted about 40 minutes. The good thing was that I could put my regular string on it more quickly. :D

JoelDali
03-16-2010, 07:01 AM
I wish I could assess a huge review of all the box beams I've been wielding the past few years but I'm ADD today.

Here is the deal.

I'm serving so God damn consistent with the BLX demo. I'm not a big 120mph server but I have great placement and a solid 2nd. The other night in Doubles I swear I was serving like 75% with it an doubled only once over 3 sets. The only thing I missed was the wide out slice deuce court Aces I always hit with the 88. I ace guys constantly with the 88 on the deuce side with a wide slice. The Bullox just didn't give me the wierd powerful thump that the 88 does.

The BLX compared to the K90....I played with a K90 for a year and pretty much enjoyed it until the 88 blew my mind....being the box beam hoar that I am I can pretty much pick up any of the Prostaff lineage and play with it.

Since I lost over 20 pounds from swine flu this past Summer though, the 88 has not been ideal for me and thats why I was loving the STV I bought from Plasma until the grommet meltdown.

When I tried Jollys BLX in November it had his JollyRig setup which was atrocious in the BLX (sorry Jolls) and I immediately put it down.

I finally caved in last week and ordered up the BLX demo that came with HC Pro.

Out of the gate I was loving this stick.

I was playing with a ball crushing buddy of mine that is a solid 4.5. We played 4 sets and I didn't drop one, and I bageled him in the 2nd. I usually beat him handily so I was not surprised that much. He used to sort of own me but in the past year I totally own him.

One of the things that really got my pickle twisted was I was doing some incredibly disgusting droppers a la Fed from the backhand side. Total disguised slight chopps crosscourt that were just delicious.

I'm trying to decide like right now whether to order up a Bollox.

Its only $200 bucks so its not like its a horrible thing.

And I have proven that I play well with it.

My only question is strings.

I think whatever is comfortable in the 88/K90/PT90 would work with the BLX but -5 lbs.

I think a full bed of Gut at 58 would be nice, or ALU R at 60.

Anyhoo, I don't wanna be a *******, but God dammit I loved the BLX unfortunately. I dissed BLX *******s in another thread and now I feel like a DooshLicker(tm).

But, oh well....its a solid stick....may add a few grams if I get one.

In fact, I'm ordering it now....argh.

JoelDali
03-16-2010, 07:30 AM
When I had a TW demo racquet of the K-Blade Tour, the fresh strings (don't know which one, some multi) lasted about 40 minutes. The good thing was that I could put my regular string on it more quickly. :D

The HC pro wasn't in bad shape when I received the stick and I'm no Robin Soderling but man I tore through it in about two hours.

Its not a bad string actually, I enjoyed it but won't buy it.

I'm on the play test list and received it before it was released and put it in my PT90 and didn't like it at all...wierd.

Fedchamp
03-16-2010, 07:49 AM
I was under the impression he wasn't playing with a pj. In any case he may have had the specs altered.

Fedchamp
03-16-2010, 07:52 AM
Also welcome to the Forum. You should probably take a look around before starting your posts...
Actually I took a cursory glance. The one post I found suggested his racquet speed had increased- not that he was striking the ball better.

GasquetGOAT
03-16-2010, 09:07 AM
Actually I took a cursory glance. The one post I found suggested his racquet speed had increased- not that he was striking the ball better.

You should look a bit further, TW dates back 03/04. But saving you the trouble, Fed has been using the K90 under various paint jobs ever since signing with Wilson -PS90, HPS95, N90, BLX90. Only non K90 he used was the PS85 and an early version of the PS90 (or was it HPS95? Anyone?) but only briefly.

Fedchamp
03-16-2010, 01:33 PM
You should look a bit further, TW dates back 03/04. But saving you the trouble, Fed has been using the K90 under various paint jobs ever since signing with Wilson -PS90, HPS95, N90, BLX90. Only non K90 he used was the PS85 and an early version of the PS90 (or was it HPS95? Anyone?) but only briefly.

But the N90 predates the K90. Why would Wilson supply Fed with technology that they have yet to market?

finchy
03-16-2010, 01:38 PM
its just paint on his racquets that they call new technology. he plays with some completely different racquet than what is on the market today. ive read that the only difference between the k90 and blx90 is the way it is constructed (but same mold obviously). I highly doubt there are basalt whatevers in the racquet.

GasquetGOAT
03-16-2010, 04:31 PM
But the N90 predates the K90. Why would Wilson supply Fed with technology that they have yet to market?

Because he is Roger Federer.

MuscleWeave
03-16-2010, 06:15 PM
In a Tennis Channel interview, he said that he is able to play better because his back isn't hurting him anymore.

Nextman916
03-16-2010, 06:26 PM
I played with the blx tour as well with hollow core @ 55 and the thing had absolutely no feel to it. I couldnt get any feedback from the racquet, it felt like hitting with a frying pan to me. K90 was MUCH better imo.

JoelDali
03-16-2010, 07:42 PM
I played with the blx tour as well with hollow core @ 55 and the thing had absolutely no feel to it. I couldnt get any feedback from the racquet, it felt like hitting with a frying pan to me. K90 was MUCH better imo.

I understand how you could say that.

I don't think its a frying pan but it does have muted feel.

Buckethead
03-16-2010, 07:51 PM
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that Federer is striking the ball visibly better with the BLX than when he used the K raphite? Almost back to the level he was striking with the N-code, which was visibly better still.
That has nothing to do with the racket,if he is using it.It just has to do with his footwork,his health and confidence.he hasn't had any problems with mono or his back lately which clearly affected his performance.He was sick before IW,but he seems to be alright.

OliverSimon
03-16-2010, 09:33 PM
The new BLX stuff has really upped his game.

mikro112
03-16-2010, 09:45 PM
The new BLX stuff has really upped his game.

After >1,800 posts, you should know a thing or two about paintjobs.

courtking
03-16-2010, 11:44 PM
I played with the blx tour as well with hollow core @ 55 and the thing had absolutely no feel to it. I couldnt get any feedback from the racquet, it felt like hitting with a frying pan to me. K90 was MUCH better imo.

I have the same problem as you.. I played with PStour 90, N90, K90, KPS88, BLX90 all with identical setup, hybrid VSGut main at 47lb, Luxilon ALU Power Rough @44lb.. I got no feel at all out of BLX.. KPS88, K90 give me the most feel and power.. One of my buddy play with NCode 95 and slowy switching to BLX95, he also said the same thing..

coloskier
03-17-2010, 08:35 AM
I have the same problem as you.. I played with PStour 90, N90, K90, KPS88, BLX90 all with identical setup, hybrid VSGut main at 47lb, Luxilon ALU Power Rough @44lb.. I got no feel at all out of BLX.. KPS88, K90 give me the most feel and power.. One of my buddy play with NCode 95 and slowy switching to BLX95, he also said the same thing..

Just tried the BLX 90 and liked it for the mere fact that it had less power along with good feel. My biggest problem is that I have too much power for playing at altitude, so I need a stick that doesn't send the ball flying.

rovex
03-17-2010, 08:42 AM
I guess all that "Feel is elemental" garbage has gone down the drain...

JRstriker12
03-17-2010, 09:02 AM
Wow! That PJ really improved his play in the last match...

big bang
03-17-2010, 09:29 AM
Wow! That PJ really improved his play in the last match...

bet he lost because of the BLX, he would never have lost to baggy with the K-factor:rolleyes:

JRstriker12
03-17-2010, 10:19 AM
bet he lost because of the BLX, he would never have lost to baggy with the K-factor:rolleyes:

Agreed, K-Factor PJ > BLX Factor PJ

big bang
03-17-2010, 10:24 AM
Agreed, K-Factor PJ > BLX Factor PJ

yeah but N-code>than all of them:) that was some serious paint the used back then!!

JRstriker12
03-17-2010, 10:31 AM
yeah but N-code>than all of them:) that was some serious paint the used back then!!

LOL!!!! (10 char)

samster
03-17-2010, 10:49 AM
Nonsense. His shoes are the reason why he is winning.

big bang
03-17-2010, 10:54 AM
Nonsense. His shoes are the reason why he is winning.
thats a pj as well!

Povl Carstensen
03-17-2010, 02:07 PM
its just paint on his racquets that they call new technology. he plays with some completely different racquet than what is on the market today. ive read that the only difference between the k90 and blx90 is the way it is constructed (but same mold obviously). I highly doubt there are basalt whatevers in the racquet.

K90 and BLX are not the same mould, as you will see if you compare two closely (I did). But my guess would be that Federer plays with K painted like blx

happycamperjack
03-18-2010, 04:06 AM
I'm sure you guys all remember how Federer suffered through its career low points with K90. People were wondering if he could ever win one more grand slam at one point.

My theory is, the added feel of K factor is great for returning slower shots, but the "feel" of heavy shots would destabilize the racket. Let's look at one of the last K90 grand slams, Federer's Wimbledon final 2009. I've never seen federer have so much trouble controlling and returning roddick's serves, even roddick said so in the after interview. Back in the N90 days, Wimbledon final again, Federer was able to control roddick's serves so much better. So the "muted" feel of N90 and BLX may just help Federer against those hard hitting opponents.

Hidious
03-18-2010, 05:11 AM
I'm sure you guys all remember how Federer suffered through its career low points with K90. People were wondering if he could ever win one more grand slam at one point.

My theory is, the added feel of K factor is great for returning slower shots, but the "feel" of heavy shots would destabilize the racket. Let's look at one of the last K90 grand slams, Federer's Wimbledon final 2009. I've never seen federer have so much trouble controlling and returning roddick's serves, even roddick said so in the after interview. Back in the N90 days, Wimbledon final again, Federer was able to control roddick's serves so much better. So the "muted" feel of N90 and BLX may just help Federer against those hard hitting opponents.
Yes, the paint used on Fed's frame can change a game dramatically.

happycamperjack
03-18-2010, 05:39 AM
Yes, the paint used on Fed's frame can change a game dramatically.

Well, back in the N90 days, people have gotten accessed to Federer's rackets through stringers. They say they play pretty much the same as normal N90 even with the different string pattern. I believed them. So if you work for wilson or have some decisive evidences that prove that Federer's rackets use different materials than production rackets, let's see it. If not, you are less creditable than I am.

jazzyfunkybluesy
03-18-2010, 05:39 AM
thats a pj as well!

Federer is a paint job as well.

GasquetGOAT
03-18-2010, 05:48 AM
Well, back in the N90 days, people have gotten accessed to Federer's rackets through stringers. They say they play pretty much the same as normal N90 even with the different string pattern. I believed them. So if you work for wilson or have some decisive evidences that prove that Federer's rackets use different materials than production rackets, let's see it. If not, you are less creditable than I am.

You should read some of the older threads here. We have been over this many times. Retail N90s were different to Fed's version.

Nextman916
03-18-2010, 05:55 AM
You should read some of the older threads here. We have been over this many times. Retail N90s were VERY different to Fed's version.

Edited for emphasis.

happycamperjack
03-18-2010, 06:06 AM
You should read some of the older threads here. We have been over this many times. Retail N90s were different to Fed's version.

I did, I was here a few years ago. Lots of PS85 defenders were here and they just couldn't accept that Federer would ever use N90 as it has "no feel". And I remember the argument died down at the end when there were more evidence supports that Federer's N90 did indeed "feel" like the normal N90. But still for some reasons people just cannot accept this. I think it's more likely for Wilson to just use whatever federer likes and reproduce them rather then going out of their ways to make a totally different racket? Since Fed is one of the handful of people using the six-one 90 series in top 100, why wouldn't wilson let him do whatever he likes to the racket?

happycamperjack
03-18-2010, 06:23 AM
http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/federer_playtest.html

Ok, seem like these guys hit with Fed's N90, take a look.

Hidious
03-18-2010, 06:33 AM
Well, back in the N90 days, people have gotten accessed to Federer's rackets through stringers. They say they play pretty much the same as normal N90 even with the different string pattern. I believed them. So if you work for wilson or have some decisive evidences that prove that Federer's rackets use different materials than production rackets, let's see it. If not, you are less creditable than I am.
Fair enough, my sarcasm was based on what is said on these boards. Is that credible? Probably not enough to throw that you...

happycamperjack
03-18-2010, 06:46 PM
Fair enough, my sarcasm was based on what is said on these boards. Is that credible? Probably not enough to throw that you...

You may want to check out the link I've posted above. of course the feds rackets won't be exactly the same as normal retail, as they are handpicked from the production line, the cream of the crop. Makes sense though, the easiest way to make a bunch of consistent rackets is to make a bunch of them, then go in and choose ones that are of high quality and similar attributes.

big bang
03-19-2010, 03:11 AM
You may want to check out the link I've posted above. of course the feds rackets won't be exactly the same as normal retail, as they are handpicked from the production line, the cream of the crop. Makes sense though, the easiest way to make a bunch of consistent rackets is to make a bunch of them, then go in and choose ones that are of high quality and similar attributes.

take a look at pics of Feds N90 compared to retail then, different string spacing.. when all the other guys custom or pro stock frames then why should Fed be using retail?? I find that very hard to believe!

happycamperjack
03-19-2010, 01:25 PM
take a look at pics of Feds N90 compared to retail then, different string spacing.. when all the other guys custom or pro stock frames then why should Fed be using retail?? I find that very hard to believe!

The holes are drilled after the frames are picked off the production line. Just take a look of the link. It would be hard to believe if Fed is using a line of rackets that are being used by a lot of pros. But since sixone tour is pretty much Fed's trademark racket, kinda like PureDrive Roddick, why wouldn't wilson let him do whatever he wants with it? Think about it.

Povl Carstensen
03-20-2010, 05:45 AM
If I remember correctly, Federers ncode also had a shorter grip (pallets) than the production model. Another aspect in which the kfactor is also closer to what he was playing with.

happycamperjack
03-21-2010, 09:11 AM
If I remember correctly, Federers ncode also had a shorter grip (pallets) than the production model. Another aspect in which the kfactor is also closer to what he was playing with.

That one's easy. Pallets can be easily modified.

ClubHoUno
03-21-2010, 11:40 AM
The matte paint job on the BLX PJ makes Fed's shots more spinny than when he had glossy paint on his K90 PJ :D

This is why he hits with a bit more spin this year compared to last year.
Fed will go on to win the French again this year beating Rafa in the semis and Djokster in the final because of this fact :lol:

Markov
03-21-2010, 12:47 PM
Yeah Fed hasn't been playing very well with black pj shoes lately.. he should seriously stop using that color..

Fedchamp
03-22-2010, 08:56 PM
I thought I read somewhere that Federer was actually playing with a BLX and not a pj.
PS can't these racquet companies be sued for false advertising?

Povl Carstensen
03-23-2010, 01:47 PM
That one's easy. Pallets can be easily modified.
Exactly, but its one more way in wich K is closer to what he was playing, painted as a n-code.

happycamperjack
03-23-2010, 05:48 PM
Exactly, but its one more way in wich K is closer to what he was playing, painted as a n-code.

LOL how do you know k90 plays closer to what federer is playing? how do you know that federer is not using n90 with k90 pj? do you expect federer to have the same preference as u do?

Jchurch
03-23-2010, 05:53 PM
LOL how do you know k90 plays closer to what federer is playing? how do you know that federer is not using n90 with k90 pj? do you expect federer to have the same preference as u do?

P1, his stringers confirmed that the K90 is the actual stick he uses. Wilson also markets the stick as the one that Roger Federer actually uses. If it wasn't true, they would most likely run into legal problems similar to the ones Nike ran in when he said he used different golf balls than the ones being sold.

DownTheLine
03-23-2010, 05:57 PM
P1, his stringers confirmed that the K90 is the actual stick he uses. Wilson also markets the stick as the one that Roger Federer actually uses. If it wasn't true, they would most likely run into legal problems similar to the ones Nike ran in when he said he used different golf balls than the ones being sold.

If that was true Babolat would have those problems also. Everyone who gets a Babolat racquet from a pro you can tell the "cortex" is painted on.

Federer doesn't use the BLX or the K90. He's even said that himself.

GasquetGOAT
03-23-2010, 06:03 PM
LOL how do you know k90 plays closer to what federer is playing? how do you know that federer is not using n90 with k90 pj? do you expect federer to have the same preference as u do?

and how do YOU know N90 plays closer to what federer is playing? How do YOU know that federer is not using K90 with BLX90 pj? LOL

DownTheLine
03-23-2010, 06:05 PM
and how do YOU know N90 plays closer to what federer is playing? How do YOU know that federer is not using K90 with BLX90 pj? LOL

Because there have been about 1,768,776,565,455 give or take a million or two.

Federer has said himself before exactly what he uses. Prime example is James Blake. He can't find a racquet because they do CHANGE pros don't like CHANGE.

GasquetGOAT
03-23-2010, 06:08 PM
Because there have been about 1,768,776,565,455 give or take a million or two.

Federer has said himself before exactly what he uses. Prime example is James Blake. He can't find a racquet because they do CHANGE pros don't like CHANGE.

They had been 1,768,776,565,455 give or take a million or two that say otherwise (that he never used the Ncode). Just do a search.

DownTheLine
03-23-2010, 06:13 PM
They had been 1,768,776,565,455 give or take a million or two that say otherwise (that he never used the Ncode). Just do a search.

He didn't/ doesn't. 10 char

GasquetGOAT
03-23-2010, 06:14 PM
He can't find a racquet because they do CHANGE pros don't like CHANGE.

Exactly "pros don't like CHANGE", but are you proposing Fed changed from PS85 to PST90 then to HPS95 and then settled on N90? I guess he loves changes then. lol

GasquetGOAT
03-23-2010, 06:15 PM
He didn't/ doesn't. 10 char

and you know that because...?


Did he tell you that himself? or did you read it somewhere on the internet?

happycamperjack
03-23-2010, 06:15 PM
P1, his stringers confirmed that the K90 is the actual stick he uses. Wilson also markets the stick as the one that Roger Federer actually uses. If it wasn't true, they would most likely run into legal problems similar to the ones Nike ran in when he said he used different golf balls than the ones being sold.

I'm not saying if k90 was n90 with pj, far from it. Like I said before, Fed is pretty much the only top pro using the 6.1 90 line, so wilson would let him do whatever he wants with it.

DownTheLine
03-23-2010, 06:23 PM
and you know that because...?


Did he tell you that himself? or did you read it somewhere on the internet?

He's said that in interviews not to mention on his personal website.

Plus, him and I are best friends and hit all the time.

happycamperjack
03-23-2010, 06:32 PM
and how do YOU know N90 plays closer to what federer is playing? How do YOU know that federer is not using K90 with BLX90 pj? LOL

I'm not saying that at all, u assume too much. All I'm saying is back in the N90 days, people have went out of their way to prove that Federer was indeed using a customized version of N90, like in the link I've posted. As for K90, I don't know if he was using it, but I believed he was using K90. As for BLX, he said he likes the new material, I have no reason to doubt him.

Federer is not Blake or just another "Pro" in terms of skills or the importance to its sponsors. And all the six-one 90 rackets have attributes similar enough for him to adapt to, especially when he has time to spend hours everyday to adapt to the new rackets in between the tournaments. I think there's no reason why Wilson would not let him "pick" the new line of six-one as he is Wilson's best poster boy ever. If Federer like a new racket, Wilson produces it.

DownTheLine
03-23-2010, 06:46 PM
I'm not saying that at all, u assume too much. All I'm saying is back in the N90 days, people have went out of their way to prove that Federer was indeed using a customized version of N90, like in the link I've posted. As for K90, I don't know if he was using it, but I believed he was using K90. As for BLX, he said he likes the new material, I have no reason to doubt him.

Federer is not Blake or just another "Pro" in terms of skills or the importance to its sponsors. And all the six-one 90 rackets have attributes similar enough for him to adapt to, especially when he has time to spend hours everyday to adapt to the new rackets in between the tournaments. I think there's no reason why Wilson would not let him "pick" the new line of six-one as he is Wilson's best poster boy ever. If Federer like a new racket, Wilson produces it.

Wilson pays him millions on end for him to say that.

happycamperjack
03-23-2010, 07:17 PM
Wilson pays him millions on end for him to say that.

Exactly, so why da hell wouldn't they just reproduce what federer likes since they are already paying him millions? Why go out of their way to produce something federer doesn't like? If would make sense if Federer is using a popular line of rackets like Pure Drive. But he's not, he's the owner of sixone tour line.

DownTheLine
03-24-2010, 04:39 PM
Exactly, so why da hell wouldn't they just reproduce what federer likes since they are already paying him millions? Why go out of their way to produce something federer doesn't like? If would make sense if Federer is using a popular line of rackets like Pure Drive. But he's not, he's the owner of sixone tour line.

That would be changing his gear and pros don't like change!!

If someone is so anal about their set-up that they need to have freshly strung racquets for every hitting session doesn't even matter if it's for 15-20 minutes, they have to have the same person string their frames every time. You honestly think they would change racquets every 2-3 years?

happycamperjack
03-24-2010, 08:24 PM
That would be changing his gear and pros don't like change!!

If someone is so anal about their set-up that they need to have freshly strung racquets for every hitting session doesn't even matter if it's for 15-20 minutes, they have to have the same person string their frames every time. You honestly think they would change racquets every 2-3 years?

First of all, string is a complete different matter, and Federer is known to keep a variety of rackets strung at different tensions for him to "switch up" his games with, another proof that Federer likes to play around with different things. Would a normal "Pro" do that?

And the whole purpose of having the same guy do the stringing and timing is to keep the strings playability consistent, so you know when you pick up the racket, it's gonna play like exactly what you expect it to play with.

Povl Carstensen
03-25-2010, 05:32 AM
Well its been shown that the n90 did not match what Federer was playing with n90 paint.
P1 and others have confirmed that Federer played with the K90 exept for a bit of lead, custom grip and the old buttcap.
About the BLX we can not be sure, until someone gets hold of the racket and compares it to the K (they are different mould).
May P1 could enlighten us?? (but I am not sure they will, because they could comfortably confirm that Federer used the K, but maybe not as comfortably disclose that he is NOT using the BLX...).
If Ron Yu is listening in on this thread, I would be very thankfull to hear his comment.

coloskier
03-25-2010, 11:03 AM
Well its been shown that the n90 did not match what Federer was playing with n90 paint.
P1 and others have confirmed that Federer played with the K90 exept for a bit of lead, custom grip and the old buttcap.
About the BLX we can not be sure, until someone gets hold of the racket and compares it to the K (they are different mould).
May P1 could enlighten us?? (but I am not sure they will, because they could comfortably confirm that Federer used the K, but maybe not as comfortably disclose that he is NOT using the BLX...).
If Ron Yu is listening in on this thread, I would be very thankfull to hear his comment.

P1 is now saying that they are taking stock BLX's and adding weight to make it 360 grams, and then doing some grip work, and that is it. Of course I am sure they are making sure the balance is equal on every racket.

happycamperjack
03-25-2010, 11:55 AM
Well its been shown that the n90 did not match what Federer was playing with n90 paint.
P1 and others have confirmed that Federer played with the K90 exept for a bit of lead, custom grip and the old buttcap.
About the BLX we can not be sure, until someone gets hold of the racket and compares it to the K (they are different mould).
May P1 could enlighten us?? (but I am not sure they will, because they could comfortably confirm that Federer used the K, but maybe not as comfortably disclose that he is NOT using the BLX...).
If Ron Yu is listening in on this thread, I would be very thankfull to hear his comment.

For the N90, it's customized stock off production line.

http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/federer_playtest.html

Povl Carstensen
03-25-2010, 03:11 PM
For the N90, it's customized stock off production line.

http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/federer_playtest.html

There is no proof of this in this article.

Povl Carstensen
03-25-2010, 03:12 PM
P1 is now saying that they are taking stock BLX's and adding weight to make it 360 grams, and then doing some grip work, and that is it. Of course I am sure they are making sure the balance is equal on every racket.

Where do they say that (just of interest).

DownTheLine
03-25-2010, 03:20 PM
First of all, string is a complete different matter, and Federer is known to keep a variety of rackets strung at different tensions for him to "switch up" his games with, another proof that Federer likes to play around with different things. Would a normal "Pro" do that?

And the whole purpose of having the same guy do the stringing and timing is to keep the strings playability consistent, so you know when you pick up the racket, it's gonna play like exactly what you expect it to play with.

All pros do that. They string at different tensions depending on elevation, condition, and surface type.

Pros usually go out with 3 different groups of 4 racquets strung within 2 Lbs. of each other. Switching tension by 2 Lbs. is WAY different then switching racquets every 2-3 years if you're thinking of calling me a hypocrite.

happycamperjack
03-25-2010, 03:26 PM
Where do they say that (just of interest).

That's way more proof than you have. Your argument "It has been shown that ....", what have been shown?? what's your support for your argument?? String pattern and short pallet?? We already went through those earlier in the posts.

As far as I know, there were stringers that went through a lot of troubles to acquire Federer's N90 a few years ago because of the heated PS85 pj argument. They say Federer's N90 plays a lot more like N90 than PS90, and I believe them.

Personally I really don't give a damn if Federer's using PS85 or a freaking skunk underneath. But it's way more logical for him to use customized stock sixones and all real evidences points to that. if you know something we don't, then go ahead, tell us!

happycamperjack
03-25-2010, 03:34 PM
All pros do that. They string at different tensions depending on elevation, condition, and surface type.

Pros usually go out with 3 different groups of 4 racquets strung within 2 Lbs. of each other. Switching tension by 2 Lbs. is WAY different then switching racquets every 2-3 years if you're thinking of calling me a hypocrite.

Well, in Federer's case, his tension differences changes as much as 10 pounds as he used to go as low as 45, now he's stringing at 55. I say that's quite a change.

Povl Carstensen
03-26-2010, 09:40 AM
That's way more proof than you have. Your argument "It has been shown that ....", what have been shown?? what's your support for your argument?? String pattern and short pallet?? We already went through those earlier in the posts.

As far as I know, there were stringers that went through a lot of troubles to acquire Federer's N90 a few years ago because of the heated PS85 pj argument. They say Federer's N90 plays a lot more like N90 than PS90, and I believe them.

Personally I really don't give a damn if Federer's using PS85 or a freaking skunk underneath. But it's way more logical for him to use customized stock sixones and all real evidences points to that. if you know something we don't, then go ahead, tell us!

Take it easy, I didnt say I had proof, were having a discussion about a topic of common interest...

smack that
03-26-2010, 10:38 AM
Well, in Federer's case, his tension differences changes as much as 10 pounds as he used to go as low as 45, now he's stringing at 55. I say that's quite a change.

how do you know he is stringing at 55?

happycamperjack
03-26-2010, 11:25 PM
Take it easy, I didnt say I had proof, were having a discussion about a topic of common interest...

I'm just getting sick of explaining the same things over and over again to misinformed people. read earlier replies.

how do you know he is stringing at 55?

http://www.colinthestringer.com/pros-strings/

Now if you compare that tension to the tension he was using with kfactor and ncode you'll definitely find noticeable discrepancy. Coincidence? I think not.

Povl Carstensen
03-27-2010, 09:20 AM
[QUOTE=happycamperjack;4507099]I'm just getting sick of explaining the same things over and over again to misinformed people. read earlier replies.

Ive read your replies. Well your arguments are based on what you believe, and find logical. Thats fair enough but I dont think you should jump on people who believe differently.
The k wasnt around when the quoted article was made, so its hard to use it as proof against that the k90 is closer to what Federer was playing with at the time (which is supported by the visual differences, yes grip and string spacing). I dont think anyone here know what "ncode" is, or if it even exists.
Also fair enough that you find it logical that Wilson provide Federer with the present production racket. But the backstory of paintjobs, and the fact that a special point was made by Wilson and P1 that the k was the actual racket Federer played, points to another logical possibility.
Not that I disbelieve it, but I havent yet seen where P1 say they currently use the BLX, does anyone have a link?

DownTheLine
03-27-2010, 11:15 AM
I'm just getting sick of explaining the same things over and over again to misinformed people. read earlier replies.



http://www.colinthestringer.com/pros-strings/

Now if you compare that tension to the tension he was using with kfactor and ncode you'll definitely find noticeable discrepancy. Coincidence? I think not.

That site is stupid. Ivan doesn't use the Prestige line he uses the Extreme line. Nadal uses Duralast not RPM Blast, and Roddick doesn't use RPM Blast he uses Pro Hurricane.


Federer doesn string in the 50s we all know that(well some of us). I want to know where and when he was stringing all his racquets in the 40s. He switched from the 85 to the 90 about 8-9 years ago..? His coach recommended that he do that because of the game was changing dramatically. He uses the PS90 and I wanna know where P1 says he uses the N90n or the "stock" frames from Wilson.

film1
03-27-2010, 11:22 AM
Yes, he is playing much better after changing racquets once again.
I think he prefers the muted feel;)

happycamperjack
03-27-2010, 03:57 PM
That site is stupid. Ivan doesn't use the Prestige line he uses the Extreme line. Nadal uses Duralast not RPM Blast, and Roddick doesn't use RPM Blast he uses Pro Hurricane.


Federer doesn string in the 50s we all know that(well some of us). I want to know where and when he was stringing all his racquets in the 40s. He switched from the 85 to the 90 about 8-9 years ago..? His coach recommended that he do that because of the game was changing dramatically. He uses the PS90 and I wanna know where P1 says he uses the N90n or the "stock" frames from Wilson.

How do you know that nadal and roddick are not using RPM blast? I heard babolat have been developing the string with those players for quite a while and they seem to be liking it. You are outdated man.

As the Fed's racket, man how many times do we have to go through this?? Go read earlier posts and link. The fact is there are more proofs and logics behind him using customized n90 than otherwise.

happycamperjack
03-27-2010, 04:01 PM
[QUOTE=happycamperjack;4507099]I'm just getting sick of explaining the same things over and over again to misinformed people. read earlier replies.

Ive read your replies. Well your arguments are based on what you believe, and find logical. Thats fair enough but I dont think you should jump on people who believe differently.
The k wasnt around when the quoted article was made, so its hard to use it as proof against that the k90 is closer to what Federer was playing with at the time (which is supported by the visual differences, yes grip and string spacing). I dont think anyone here know what "ncode" is, or if it even exists.
Also fair enough that you find it logical that Wilson provide Federer with the present production racket. But the backstory of paintjobs, and the fact that a special point was made by Wilson and P1 that the k was the actual racket Federer played, points to another logical possibility.
Not that I disbelieve it, but I havent yet seen where P1 say they currently use the BLX, does anyone have a link?

I won't be jumping on other people if they have any evidence or proofs at all. But all you get from these misinformed people are "other pros use PJ, therefore Federer must be using PJ", and "PS85 and K90 have more feel, therefore Federer must be using them underneath the PJ". If you don't see the flaws and failures in these logics, then I got nothing to say to u.

DownTheLine
03-27-2010, 04:06 PM
How do you know that nadal and roddick are not using RPM blast? I heard babolat have been developing the string with those players for quite a while and they seem to be liking it. You are outdated man.

As the Fed's racket, man how many times do we have to go through this?? Go read earlier posts and link. The fact is there are more proofs and logics behind him using customized n90 than otherwise.

How's there more logic??

DownTheLine
03-27-2010, 04:09 PM
As far as the strings. There have been stringers that have said Nadal uses Duralast and not the string they adv. him as using.

happycamperjack
03-27-2010, 04:34 PM
As far as the strings. There have been stringers that have said Nadal uses Duralast and not the string they adv. him as using.

Ok, let's take a look at the supports of 2 sides of the arguments:

Fed using PJ
1. Many pros use PJ, therefore Federer is using PJ
What's wrong with it? No body knows exactly how many percents of pros use PJ, but one thing is for sure, there are a lot of pros out there not using PJ as well.

2. PS85 and K90 have more feels, therefore Federer never used N90 and BLX90
What's wrong with it? Federer used customized version of stock sixones handpicked out of the production line, so they'll never played like stock rackets due to weight and balance differences. So you simply can't make assumptions based on how stock rackets played. People have gotten hold of Fed's N90 and said it played a lot like N90. If you don't believe them, go get Fed's racket and test it urself.

Fed not using PJ
1. SIX-ONE TOUR is Federer's signature line of racket, just like Pure Drive Roddick. So Federer using PJ is as likely as Roddicks using PJ for his puredrive roddick.
2. When Federer was using N90, people went through a lot of trouble to test his N90, and said it plays a lot more like N90 than previous line of rackets. When Federer was using K90, P1 confirmed that he was using K90.
3. Federer have changed his string tension by a lot over the years, from mid 40 to mid high 50s. So it tells us that Federer likes to experience with different feel and the possible change in tension due to the change of rackets.

I'm not claiming that Federer is definitely not using PJ, but it seems more likely to me that he's not using PJ. And perhaps he does carry a few PJ in his bag in his bag for old time sake. I've made my argument, feel free to argue any of the point above.

hyper_raiden
03-27-2010, 06:34 PM
I quite agree that he doesn't play a PJ. It's just the stock fine tuned with a little lead here and there, varying string tensions, etc. We've yet to find out if his new BLX differs from K90 though. Hope guys get a hold of the racket soon haha.

vincent_tennis
03-29-2010, 02:33 PM
lawls hyper, why dont u bid one on? :p i think he has one for auction in shop atm :p

Povl Carstensen
03-31-2010, 02:33 AM
"So it tells us that Federer likes to experience with different feel and the possible change in tension due to the change of rackets."

No, it tells us that he likes to experience with different tensions. Perhaps due to change of rackets.

AllDownTheLine
03-31-2010, 02:39 AM
Yes, he is playing much better after changing racquets once again.
I think he prefers the muted feel;)
YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS?:shock:

AllDownTheLine
03-31-2010, 02:45 AM
Fed not using PJ
1. SIX-ONE TOUR is Federer's signature line of racket, just like Pure Drive Roddick. So Federer using PJ is as likely as Roddicks using PJ for his puredrive roddick..

Roddick does use a paint job. He uses a Pure Drive+ Team leaded up and not the Roddick Cortex. At least that is what i've learned reading this forum.
I could be wrong as 100% of my limited knowledge about PJ's comes from Talk Tennis.
If you do a search there is tons about Roddick's stick.

DownTheLine
03-31-2010, 05:48 AM
Roddick does use a paint job. He uses a Pure Drive+ Team leaded up and not the Roddick Cortex. At least that is what i've learned reading this forum.
I could be wrong as 100% of my limited knowledge about PJ's comes from Talk Tennis.
If you do a search there is tons about Roddick's stick.
Your dead on. Roddick doesn't use the latest and greatest stuff. There have been many threads on people getting his racquets because he gives them to them or being smashed and everyone posts a picture that the "cortex" is painted on.


As far as your post two above he was being sarcastic.

VamosRafa10
03-31-2010, 06:22 AM
Happycamperjack roddick still uses pht and vs gut