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AndyArodRoddick
03-27-2010, 03:02 PM
He is 2nd atm in the race and if he stays fit and injury free, i can't see a reason why shouldnt Andy be in the top 4. He hits some great ball atm and if he collects..lets say 600pts from the claycourt season, then he has every opportunity to get back to the top 4.

I dont think andy can get past rafa or fed at the end of the year, but being ahead of djoker, murray, delpo, davy is looking quite good atm.

clayman2000
03-27-2010, 03:05 PM
Common man, that aint gunna happen.

We all know that Roddick has 1 objective: win a slam.
Despite his always fierce body language, there are matches that I get the sense he doesnt care about. The San Jose final was one example

AndyArodRoddick
03-27-2010, 03:08 PM
Common man, that aint gunna happen.

We all know that Roddick has 1 objective: win a slam.
Despite his always fierce body language, there are matches that I get the sense he doesnt care about. The San Jose final was one example

He was out of form + injured..

clayman2000
03-27-2010, 03:10 PM
He was out of form + injured..

Have you ever noticed that he is out of form and injured in a lot of small tournies. For example let me run down 09:
Injured: Queens, all of fall
Out of form: Clay season, Shanghai and Bejing

You cant get to top 4 at his capability level if your out of form for so many tournies

AndyArodRoddick
03-27-2010, 03:14 PM
Have you ever noticed that he is out of form and injured in a lot of small tournies. For example let me run down 09:
Injured: Queens, all of fall
Out of form: Clay season, Shanghai and Bejing

You cant get to top 4 at his capability level if your out of form for so many tournies

He played on of he's best Clay court seasons last year - he had honeymoons at the time of Rome though..

Did you even see the Queens or Shanghai tournament ? Some serious stuff was going on out there..

I actually still don't get that 2 and 4 loss to Kubot though at Beijing.


My point is, when was the last time when Andy was 2nd before the claycourt season ?

samprasvsfederer123
03-27-2010, 03:16 PM
um i personally think that he might soon between this year and next year drop out of the top 10 hes nto going to win another grand slam, and he just doesnt have it he is lost, he cant beat novak or murray anymore, at least that how i feel

unfortunatley though, because i am a big roddick fan

AndyArodRoddick
03-27-2010, 03:21 PM
um i personally think that he might soon between this year and next year drop out of the top 10 hes nto going to win another grand slam, and he just doesnt have it he is lost, he cant beat novak or murray anymore, at least that how i feel

unfortunatley though, because i am a big roddick fan

LOL ?! Rochus and Fishy can and Andy cant..i mean seriously LOL!

kishnabe
03-27-2010, 04:30 PM
Roddick is going to win another slam...Anything can happen if Lubricant won a master series then I don't see that maybe the top seeds lose to guy on fire and Roddick capitalizes or Roddick goes red hot. I don't see Davydenko winning a slam but Roddick surely can win another HC Slam title or Wimby!

Atherton2003
03-27-2010, 04:33 PM
I don't see Andy Roddick winning another grand slam.

samprasvsfederer123
03-27-2010, 04:35 PM
federer would have to play bs, and roddick would have to play better than anyone else to win another gs

odds of that happening= very slim

Li Ching Yuen
03-27-2010, 04:39 PM
The only chance for Roddick is the grass season. The fast sliding surface makes his absolutely non-aggressive shots, acceptable.

Couple that with his great serve, and he can get in the final stages.

He's a joke on hard courts now.

Atherton2003
03-27-2010, 04:40 PM
Andy Roddick and James Blake are beyond their prime...the US needs some good up and coming talent - which I don't see happening for a while.

Fee
03-27-2010, 04:51 PM
He is 2nd atm in the race and if he stays fit and injury free, i can't see a reason why shouldnt Andy be in the top 4. He hits some great ball atm and if he collects..lets say 600pts from the claycourt season, then he has every opportunity to get back to the top 4.

I dont think andy can get past rafa or fed at the end of the year, but being ahead of djoker, murray, delpo, davy is looking quite good atm.

No I don't see Andy making it to the top four by the end of the year unless Djokovic and Murray have complete mental breakdowns. I can see him squeaking in to the top 5 perhaps, but he's got to defend or make up for finalist points at Wimbledon and that won't be easy.

decades
03-27-2010, 04:59 PM
only if the 9 better players than Andy out of the top ten falter.

decades
03-27-2010, 05:00 PM
He played on of he's best Clay court seasons last year - he had honeymoons at the time of Rome though..

Did you even see the Queens or Shanghai tournament ? Some serious stuff was going on out there..

I actually still don't get that 2 and 4 loss to Kubot though at Beijing.


My point is, when was the last time when Andy was 2nd before the claycourt season ?

he has clay court points to defend and unfortunately he won't!

decades
03-27-2010, 05:01 PM
Common man, that aint gunna happen.

We all know that Roddick has 1 objective: win a slam.
Despite his always fierce body language, there are matches that I get the sense he doesnt care about. The San Jose final was one example

Roddick would play to win in a 4.5 event with six players.

egn
03-27-2010, 06:47 PM
um i personally think that he might soon between this year and next year drop out of the top 10 hes nto going to win another grand slam, and he just doesnt have it he is lost, he cant beat novak or murray anymore, at least that how i feel

unfortunatley though, because i am a big roddick fan

This post has fail written all over it

Last meeting between Andy Murray and Andy Roddick

Roddick def. Murray 6-4, 4-6, 7-6, 7-6

Last meeting between Andy Roddick and Novak DJokovic

Roddick def. Djokovic 6-4, 7-6.

Djokovic hasn't beaten Roddick since 2008! Novak has beat only one top 20 player all year...how on earth can you say Roddick can't beat him when Roddick has beaten a top 10 player this year and a handful in the top 20.

Putting Roddick at #4 seems a bit of a stretch but at the moment it seems possible. He has been far more consistent than most of the players on the tour at the moment. He should have an easy run to the semis at miami. He isn't going to do strong on clay granted but all he needs to do is as said get about 500 points on clay. He has gone deep at Rome before and he could probably at least see a quarters in one of the 3 clay master series and another 3rd or 4th round in France

slicefox
03-27-2010, 06:58 PM
other players will pick up their games later in the season.

roddick is just the only top 10 without a slump/injury atm thats why he's winning points.

wait until the competition begins.

TennisKid1
03-27-2010, 06:59 PM
He could try not pushing bad players. That could get him to the top 5. He might get it later in the season where he can know when to attack and when to play consistent

Joseph L. Barrow
03-27-2010, 07:57 PM
Well, nothing can be ruled out, here, but even if he does maintain form and health consistently this season, it seems most likely he will still lose a tremendous amount of ground to other top players (Nadal, Djokovic, Del Potro) over the course of the clay-court season, meaning he will need to greatly outperform them the rest of the year to stand a serious chance at finishing ahead of them.

tintin
03-27-2010, 08:28 PM
he has clay court points to defend and unfortunately he won't!

let's hope he doesn't defend either his clay court and grass court points

I hope he injures himself again

FD3S
03-28-2010, 02:41 AM
let's hope he doesn't defend either his clay court and grass court points

I hope he injures himself again

Damn, man. Thinking back at some of your posts regarding Roddick - well, I'm not sure what he did to you (or possibly your pet or loved one, a lot of things can make a person snap) but it must have been bad.

Rock Strongo
03-28-2010, 02:43 AM
let's hope he doesn't defend either his clay court and grass court points

I hope he injures himself again

It's inhumane to wish that someone injures oneself. What exactly is your problem with Andy??

FlamEnemY
03-28-2010, 03:10 AM
He is currently No 8. I can easily see him getting to number 5 of maybe even 4, granted he doesn't injure himself and stay focused.

Paul Murphy
03-28-2010, 03:54 AM
He'll have to learn how to hit an offensive forehand again and hope that injury continues to be a problem for some of those ahead of him.

P_Agony
03-28-2010, 04:20 AM
Well, if Djoko and Murray continue their horror run, then yes, he has a chance.

davey25
03-28-2010, 04:25 AM
Definitely not. Djokovic even playing awful will gain all kinds of points on Roddick on clay I am pretty sure. Murray has been awful since Australia yet I am pretty sure he leads Roddick in the race at this point. I just dont see him putting that many big results outside of maybe Wimbledon (and even then I am not sure) to end the year with more points than either of those guys, even if they have a subpar year.

Rhino
03-28-2010, 05:00 AM
I don't see Roddick in the top 4 again for the remainder of his career.

davey25
03-28-2010, 05:01 AM
I don't see Roddick in the top 4 again for the remainder of his career.

Ditto. I would give him a better shot to win another slam than to ever return to the top 4 (not that I think he will achieve either one).

Anaconda
03-28-2010, 05:31 AM
let's hope he doesn't defend either his clay court and grass court points

I hope he injures himself again


Your posts are moronic at the best of times; hence why everyone ignores you. This is just cruel to wish bad health of fail on anyone.

Andy G
03-28-2010, 06:15 AM
No way. He would have to earn 3000 pts. on top of any that he needs to defend. And thats if the guys above him don't earn pts. themselves.

Andy G
03-28-2010, 06:19 AM
Your posts are moronic at the best of times; hence why everyone ignores you. This is just cruel to wish bad health of fail on anyone.

I agree. If you don't like someone fine. But don't wish them to get injured.

PS Anaconda, you don't know how good Sinatra and Bennett are if you think they can't sing. It would be one of those "you don't even know that you don't know".

Andy G
03-28-2010, 06:21 AM
Oh wait, I just noticed Sinatra on your avatar. Must be a joke. Nevermind.

Ocean Drive
03-28-2010, 07:07 AM
He is 2nd atm in the race and if he stays fit and injury free, i can't see a reason why shouldnt Andy be in the top 4. He hits some great ball atm and if he collects..lets say 600pts from the claycourt season, then he has every opportunity to get back to the top 4.

I dont think andy can get past rafa or fed at the end of the year, but being ahead of djoker, murray, delpo, davy is looking quite good atm.

Hits some great ball at the moment? Rolling the ball in, hitting 5 winners in total vs Soderling? (2 one foot from the net)

I've read a few of your messages and they show me that you have a massive biased edge for Roddick and didn't watch him during his prime.

Ocean Drive
03-28-2010, 07:11 AM
Roddick is going to win another slam...Anything can happen if Lubricant won a master series then I don't see that maybe the top seeds lose to guy on fire and Roddick capitalizes or Roddick goes red hot. I don't see Davydenko winning a slam but Roddick surely can win another HC Slam title or Wimby!

I bet you've been saying this for 5 years.

The facts: Roddick isn't winning any more slams, he might scrape the top 4 because Davydenko and Del Potro are injured, but I doubt it and even if he did, he wouldn't be there for long and not for the years end.

AndyArodRoddick
03-28-2010, 07:43 AM
Hits some great ball at the moment? Rolling the ball in, hitting 5 winners in total vs Soderling? (2 one foot from the net)

I've read a few of your messages and they show me that you have a massive biased edge for Roddick and didn't watch him during his prime.

Oh, i havent watch Andy in his prime ?? 04 was his FH prime, but he serve ~60% 1st serves+terrible BH(kind a like Ivo)..i think you have just watched these 04 FH highlights, if your saying it was is prime..he basically had only FH and 145mph serve.

If i'd have a chanche to choose to be 04 everythingisaboutpower or 09-10 grinder Roddick, i'd be grinder fosho..

I mean he made 30-40 UEs in every of he's matches in he's "prime" years.

Li Ching Yuen
03-28-2010, 07:51 AM
Oh, i havent watch Andy in his prime ?? 04

I mean he made 30-40 UEs in every of he's matches in he's "prime" years.

He also won a slam.

Here's a little lesson for you: "Pushing doesn't get you any major titles"

Ge that into your system.
The only tournament where Roddick didn't adopt this horrible tactic was last year at Wimbledon, and look where it got him to.

Ocean Drive
03-28-2010, 08:03 AM
Oh, i havent watch Andy in his prime ?? 04 was his FH prime, but he serve ~60% 1st serves+terrible BH(kind a like Ivo)..i think you have just watched these 04 FH highlights, if your saying it was is prime..he basically had only FH and 145mph serve.

If i'd have a chanche to choose to be 04 everythingisaboutpower or 09-10 grinder Roddick, i'd be grinder fosho..

I mean he made 30-40 UEs in every of he's matches in he's "prime" years.

And he also smacked tonnes of winners.

No, 2003-2004 was his prime. He was fast as hell, he had a big forehand, a huge serve that many people weren't reading in those days, a pretty crappy backhand but good enough to set up his forehand and a volley game as good as he does today (I don't buy all this Roddick is a hugely improved volleyer, he barely comes into the net and when he does, it's for easy finish off volleys)

And no, I watched tennis probably more back then than I do now, thanks.

Yeah, you'd choose "I can beat the lower ranked guys but get beaten comfortably by the top guys when it matters" Roddick, fair enough.

Ocean Drive
03-28-2010, 08:06 AM
He also won a slam.

Here's a little lesson for you: "Pushing doesn't get you any major titles"

Ge that into your system.
The only tournament where Roddick didn't adopt this horrible tactic was last year at Wimbledon, and look where it got him to.

I agree, that's what it comes down to, winning the majors, for a player like Roddick.

And he's going to be winning not too many majors (zero) playing like this. He's been slowly getting more and more pushy as the years go on and he's becoming less and less successful.

He played a lot more aggressive at Wimbledon but even still, I think he could've unloaded on that forehand a lot more. Too many times did I see him hit loopy forehand after forehand when a few years later, he'd have sent it for a winner. If he stuck with that type of game plan as he did there, then he'd have been having a lot more success.

NamRanger
03-28-2010, 08:06 AM
And he also smacked tonnes of winners.

No, 2003-2004 was his prime. He was fast as hell, he had a big forehand, a huge serve that many people weren't reading in those days, a pretty crappy backhand but good enough to set up his forehand and a volley game as good as he does today (I don't buy all this Roddick is a hugely improved volleyer, he barely comes into the net and when he does, it's for easy finish off volleys)

And no, I watched tennis probably more back then than I do now, thanks.

Yeah, you'd choose "I can beat the lower ranked guys but get beaten comfortably by the top guys when it matters" Roddick, fair enough.



In 2009 Roddick played well at both the AO and Wimbledon, and lost to *gasp* this guy named Roger Federer. Pretty sure he's a bad match-up for nearly everyone, and owns everyone not named Nadal.

KSJ1979
03-28-2010, 08:06 AM
Right now I think that Fed, Rafa and Del Po create the most problems for Roddick. Roddick has been doing well against Novak because a. Novak has gone mental now, what is up with his serve? and b. Roddick is playing cleanly which works well against the mentally fragile. I feel that Murray is going through a rut but when he is playing well, he has a good chance of beating Roddick especially because of his excellent return.

I agree that the only slam Roddick has a chance at is Wimbledon. He would probably need Fed out of the picture and I think he would have a better chance against Rafa than Fed in my opinion.

I don't think Roddick cares about rankings so much anymore....

Anaconda
03-28-2010, 09:12 AM
Oh wait, I just noticed Sinatra on your avatar. Must be a joke. Nevermind.

Someone tried telling me that Frank Sinatra and Tony Bennett couldn't sing. I argued that opinion doesn't come down to it. I'll explain.

It's OPINION if you don't like Sinatra or Bennett as artists.

It's FACT that they have very good technique.

I don't like opera. However i appreciate the fact that TECHNICALLY they are the BEST singers ever.

MethodTennis
03-28-2010, 09:51 AM
roddick playing better than nadal muzza djoko del po (who isnt even playing) and davy, soderling is playing pretty well though, mabay wimbeldon but if roddick wins a slam this year then he will not finish top 4 cos he'll give up for the rest of the season i think

MethodTennis
03-28-2010, 09:54 AM
Right now I think that Fed, Rafa and Del Po create the most problems for Roddick. Roddick has been doing well against Novak because a. Novak has gone mental now, what is up with his serve? and b. Roddick is playing cleanly which works well against the mentally fragile. I feel that Murray is going through a rut but when he is playing well, he has a good chance of beating Roddick especially because of his excellent return.

I agree that the only slam Roddick has a chance at is Wimbledon. He would probably need Fed out of the picture and I think he would have a better chance against Rafa than Fed in my opinion.

I don't think Roddick cares about rankings so much anymore....

he has a shot at the uso and 2011 ao, federer is a year older and still wining slams why cant roddick next year

Carsomyr
03-28-2010, 10:03 AM
I thought the suggestions that Roddick would fall out of the top ten this year were pretty ridiculous, but to suggest Andy Roddick is a top four player is equally ridiculous. Obviously, when he is playing well, Andy certainly is capable of challenging and even defeating the top 5 players in the world on any surface but clay, but he is too inconsistent in the smaller tournaments to supplant Djokovic and Murray, who are just in a bit of a rough patch.

pjonesy
03-28-2010, 04:43 PM
If Roddick can be consistent and show that competitive fire in all his matches, then I certainly think he can finish at #4. I worry about the clay court season, though.

Nextman916
03-28-2010, 07:54 PM
Its possible, he didn't do horrible last year in clay season.

JeMar
03-28-2010, 07:56 PM
Doubt it.

Murray and Djokovic are bound to get their heads out of their asses at some point.

Plus, Roddick actually has some points to defend during the clay court season this year.

OKUSA
03-28-2010, 08:05 PM
Well let's see players that are in front of him

Federer - Will still be #1 by the end of the season

Nadal - Will be #2, will defend most of his clay court points probably will win Roland Garros and get a good showing at Wimby

Djokovic - I'll hold my opinion till after Roland Garros, but he has the potential to drop a lot of points if he doesn't fix his serve fast

Murray - Same, he could fall out of the top 5. He needs to get his head on straight

Del Potro - He won't make it to the semis at Roland Garros, and he won't defend US Open. He might get a masters on the hard courts but I doubt it, this guy has been out of it for too long maybe next year

Davydenko - Will miss a lot of tournaments due to injury, and because of that fall far in the rankings

Soderling - Will not get to finals at Roland Garros, but he can pick up a lot of points on the clay courts. Maybe pick up a hard court title or two

Roddick will at least surpass Davydenko, and most likely Del Potro. So that puts him at 6th, Soderling and Djokovic are the two I believe he could surpass to get to 4. It's not impossible, but he does have to rely on people to lose their points.

He has the possiblity to get points on the American hard courts as well as a better showing at the US Open and more hard courts after the US Open since he only played 2 tournaments and only got 10 points after the US Open

Commando Tennis Shorts
03-28-2010, 09:04 PM
Del Potro will probably only get better when he gets back.

Roddick cannot overtake Davydenko, b/c Davy plays too many tournaments, and thus embodies inflated numbers.

It would be difficult to think that Nadal/Djokovic/Murray will not return to form at some point this season.

Roddick will probably overtake Soderling; I'll give you that, but I really don't even see him getting back into the top 5 or 6.

I mean, it's not a horrible thing. He doesn't care about his ranking anyway. It's all about winning a Slam, and if he wants to win a Slam, he'll have to beat the top people anyway whether he faces them in the finals or the quarterfinals.

Besides, his ranking hasn't really had an effect on how far he makes it into Slams over the course of his career. After all, in 2 of his 5 Slam finals, he was seeded 6th or worse (2006 U.S. Open and 2009 Wimbledon) (Seeded #2 at SW19 2004 and 2005)(Seeded #4 at U.S. Open 2003)

cknobman
03-29-2010, 06:44 AM
No......................

KSJ1979
03-29-2010, 01:38 PM
he has a shot at the uso and 2011 ao, federer is a year older and still wining slams why cant roddick next year

yeah maybe, but with flat hitters like Del Po and Cilic it makes it harder for him at the USO...but never say never...

joeri888
03-29-2010, 01:43 PM
Common man, that aint gunna happen.

We all know that Roddick has 1 objective: win a slam.
Despite his always fierce body language, there are matches that I get the sense he doesnt care about. The San Jose final was one example

If Roddick wins a Slam this year, and Federer and Nadal split the other two, it would be tough for Novak or Andy to get past him. Nothing is impossible, especially with injuries to Nadal, Davydenko and Del Potro. But if he really wants it, he should have made more of a chance like Indian Wells.

Ocean Drive
03-29-2010, 01:49 PM
In 2009 Roddick played well at both the AO and Wimbledon, and lost to *gasp* this guy named Roger Federer. Pretty sure he's a bad match-up for nearly everyone, and owns everyone not named Nadal.

The only decent player Roddick beat at the 2009 Australian Open was Djokovic and he was awful that match.

He barely scraped through the Wimbledon draw too against a joke of a field.

For a guy who likes to go in depth with draws, at least use double standards.

Cfidave
03-29-2010, 02:07 PM
There is no way Roddick will be top 4 by the end of this year, or any other. He has not been a top 5 player for several years. Soilid against top 20 players, but he has not consistently turned in good results against top 10 players. He occasionally beats a top 10 player on grass, or a very fast court, but if you look at his overall results against top tens, it is not very good. He is ranked at 8 for a reason, he finishes out of the top 5 year after year, also for a reason. He is solid top 10, no doubt, but no way top 4.

Tennis_Bum
03-29-2010, 02:58 PM
He'll be lucky if he can retain his top-ten position. He's on his way out.

pjonesy
03-29-2010, 05:11 PM
There is no way Roddick will be top 4 by the end of this year, or any other. He has not been a top 5 player for several years. Soilid against top 20 players, but he has not consistently turned in good results against top 10 players. He occasionally beats a top 10 player on grass, or a very fast court, but if you look at his overall results against top tens, it is not very good. He is ranked at 8 for a reason, he finishes out of the top 5 year after year, also for a reason. He is solid top 10, no doubt, but no way top 4.

Yeah, you are probably right. After looking at the points he will have to defend and the rise of Soderling, Del Potro and Davydenko's return, it looks to be practically impossible. I look at him as a player who may be able to beat all the top players(outside of Nadal and Federer) under the right circumstances, but I do not like his chances in Grand Slams at this point. Roddick has the talent and the weapons to beat anyone but continues to look lost at times during matches. In my opinion, his last hurrah was his run at Wimbledon last year. He will win one or two more lower level (for him) tournaments this year. Unfortunately, he may start to become a scalp for up and coming players rather than a legitimate threat to win. I hope i'm wrong.

deltox
03-29-2010, 07:13 PM
he has clay court points to defend and unfortunately he won't!

he does? i thought he took nearly the entire clay season off last year.

djokovicgonzalez2010
03-29-2010, 07:24 PM
Roddick will suck on clay this year. Fortunately for him, he also sucked on clay last year.

RCizzle65
03-30-2010, 12:17 AM
Roddick will suck on clay this year. Fortunately for him, he also sucked on clay last year.

Roddick fan here, but I lol'd

dmt
03-30-2010, 01:50 AM
Roddick will suck on clay this year. Fortunately for him, he also sucked on clay last year.

lol couldnt help but laugh though i quite like roddick

Joseph L. Barrow
03-30-2010, 12:39 PM
Roddick will suck on clay this year. Fortunately for him, he also sucked on clay last year.
...He beat an in-form Haas, then took a set off Federer, both on clay in Madrid, and then reached the Round of 16 at the French Open. Most of the ATP Tour, including a lot of clay court specialists, would be very proud of those results.

Regarding Roddick's relative performance to last year on clay, I think a lot of people are looking at things with a skewed sort of perception here; Roddick's results from last year have absolutely no bearing on his ranking at the end of this one. At the end of this season, his ranking will be composed entirely of results from 2010, and thus the "player X has to defend Y number of points" element in this discussion is fallacious- defending points from last year is only effective on a player's mid-season ranking. The race is the only factor in year-end rankings.

kingdaddy41788
03-30-2010, 12:41 PM
He is 2nd atm in the race and if he stays fit and injury free, i can't see a reason why shouldnt Andy be in the top 4. He hits some great ball atm and if he collects..lets say 600pts from the claycourt season, then he has every opportunity to get back to the top 4.

I dont think andy can get past rafa or fed at the end of the year, but being ahead of djoker, murray, delpo, davy is looking quite good atm.

You're assuming Rafa stays healthy, which I don't see happening... But maybe. Either way I think he'll be top 4 at the end of the year...

Markov
03-30-2010, 12:42 PM
Noooooooooooo