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abraxas21
03-30-2010, 11:58 PM
"I thought he played a good match. It's hard to judge his performance, because I look at mine only. When I'm not playing my best, it's hard to judge my opponent, to be quite honest.
[...]
Seems like he's coming back strong. That's good to see, because he's and incredible player and he's got incredible shots. Almost let this match off the hook again. He got lucky tonight."


Strange declarations from Federer. He didn't give much credit to Berdych for his win in the press conference but did say he played well and that he should have gotten to the top 10 some time ago.

zagor
03-31-2010, 12:01 AM
That's not humble from Fed at all,he should have said it was an "accident" or a "terrible disaster".

dropshot winner
03-31-2010, 12:03 AM
This thread will get at least 10 pages long :)

mandy01
03-31-2010, 12:05 AM
That's not humble from Fed at all,he should have said it was an "accident" or a "terrible disaster"."amazing disaster" :wink:

Blinkism
03-31-2010, 12:07 AM
You forgot to mention the part where he cried.

zagor
03-31-2010, 12:09 AM
"amazing disaster" :wink:

Oops,my mistake.Thanks for correcting me :)

icedevil0289
03-31-2010, 12:10 AM
Oops,my mistake.Thanks for correcting me :)

don't worry, "accidents" happen. :)

This is so much more fun than studying for my stats exam.

bolo
03-31-2010, 12:11 AM
You forgot to mention the part where he cried.

lol. 10 char. :)

mandy01
03-31-2010, 12:12 AM
You forgot to mention the part where he cried. Not AGAIN! :evil:

zagor
03-31-2010, 12:13 AM
You forgot to mention the part where he cried.

Or that #17 jacket he had stashed in his bag since the start of the tourney,he thought he was gonna equal Agassi's masters record,arrogant #%&@#$.

mandy01
03-31-2010, 12:15 AM
Or that #17 jacket he had stashed in his bag since the start of the tourney,he thought he was gonna equal Agassi's masters record,arrogant #%&@#$.well....atleast he didn't have a golden bag .

TennisandMusic
03-31-2010, 12:16 AM
well....atleast he didn't have a golden bag .

Probably saving it for June.

dropshot winner
03-31-2010, 12:20 AM
well....atleast he didn't have a golden bag .
Of course not, he moved on. To a Platinum-bag :)

mandy01
03-31-2010, 12:22 AM
Of course not, he moved on. To a Platinum-bag :)
He should walk the ramp at Paris,Milan etc from now on .

namelessone
03-31-2010, 12:25 AM
Nadal and Fed are arrogant SOB! :)

Speranza
03-31-2010, 12:25 AM
Federer gave a post match interview?

Christ, the arrogance of this man......

icedevil0289
03-31-2010, 12:29 AM
Not AGAIN! :evil:

you're losing it my dear. Sad to this happen to the one upon a time legend. :cry:

billnepill
03-31-2010, 12:40 AM
it's all true. Fed played poorly and it was still a close match. To get a chance for a match point and to have 61 ! UEs ... wth

15_ounce
03-31-2010, 12:58 AM
Why don't Federer just admit that Berdych played better than him????

Berdych was so composed to pull off a great win in a tough three setter match. Saving match point in the last tie break proved how cool Berdych was. He even managed a smile after Fed got a match point on his serve.. because of the ridiculously close hawkeye result.

Why didn't Fed smile at Berdych and congratulate him....

davey25
03-31-2010, 01:01 AM
If anything he was way too generous to Berdych. Berdych is closer to being a clown than an incredible player. Sorry the hype on the guy is ridiculous, I could have seen 3-5 years ago but now now. He is clearly not top 10 caliber, either in results, talent, overall game, anything. He is a one dimensional basher who has found his home in the top 30 and that is the best he should be. Federer did play awful today, like he pretty much always plays in best of 3 tournaments vs any opponents who can hold a racquet straight nowadays, and Berdych was still lucky to win in the end. Watch him get his *** handed to him next round probably.

rossi46
03-31-2010, 01:10 AM
How hard would it have been for Federer to say "He was to good for me today" ???

It's so simple, tennis is an individual sport, if you play better you win, if you don't you lose.

Not sure what luck has to do with it. There are enough points in a match to turnaround a game or a string of points which can be blamed on bad luck.

Federer can be extremely arrogant at times.

Li Ching Yuen
03-31-2010, 01:15 AM
If anything he was way too generous to Berdych. Berdych is closer to being a clown than an incredible player. Sorry the hype on the guy is ridiculous, I could have seen 3-5 years ago but now now. He is clearly not top 10 caliber, either in results, talent, overall game, anything. He is a one dimensional basher who has found his home in the top 30 and that is the best he should be. Federer did play awful today, like he pretty much always plays in best of 3 tournaments vs any opponents who can hold a racquet straight nowadays, and Berdych was still lucky to win in the end. Watch him get his *** handed to him next round probably.

Stop trolling, or at least keep it for when the guys you hate lose.

davey25
03-31-2010, 01:21 AM
Stop trolling, or at least keep it for when the guys you hate lose.

I actually dont like Federer (hate is a strong word for any player) and am glad he lost, especialy as it gets Nadal closer to the #1 ranking. Berdych is still an overhyped clown though. Many on TW are too dense to even realize Federer doesnt give a half squat about these events anymore, and anyone in the top 100 can beat him on a given day at them now. It is not even an achievement anymore. Beating Federer at a Grand Slam is an achievement, beating him at a Masters today is about as big as a women beating Marion Bartoli in a Grand Slam.

Li Ching Yuen
03-31-2010, 01:22 AM
As for the topic

Here's the whole thing:

Q. What is it, consistency you think?
ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, if you look at the top 10 the last years, they've always been tough. It's not so easy just to get in there and hang around, you know, just think it's normal to be in there.
It definitely needs a special effort and a special sacrifice, and, you know, then you need some serious mental skills to handle the traveling and everything. It's not so easy. With different surfaces and injuries, it's demanding.
Or you do it the easy way and just win a big one. Then you're in if for a little bit and then you get better chances and seeds. But I would have thought he would have made his move a long time ago to be in the top 10.
Seems like he's coming back strong. That's good to see, because he's and incredible player and he's got incredible shots. Almost let this match off the hook again. He got lucky tonight.

He basically said Tomas was a little lucky to win this, because at some point it seemed like he was about to crumble in the decisive moments like he did in past times against Roger. But he didn't, and with a bit of luck, managed to pull through.

Li Ching Yuen
03-31-2010, 01:23 AM
I actually dont like Federer (hate is a strong word for any player) and am glad he lost, especialy as it gets Nadal closer to the #1 ranking. Berdych is still an overhyped clown though. Many on TW are too dense to even realize Federer doesnt give a half squat about these events anymore, and anyone in the top 100 can beat him on a given day at them now. It is not even an achievement anymore.

Who's talented in your opinion?

Except the guys in the Top 10 of now.

Gorecki
03-31-2010, 01:25 AM
You forgot to mention the part where he cried.

do you think he could ask Rafa for some help on this crying issue... something that can wick the tears...

some sort of fast wicking tissue...

say...

this for example...

http://www.decathlon.pt/products-pictures/gd-asset_13320716.jpg

Dark Tempest
03-31-2010, 01:27 AM
fed played not good because he lost.this is the worst hes played for 2yrs now.bird***** played his best but just beat fed playing bad.

davey25
03-31-2010, 01:27 AM
Who's talented in your opinion?

Except the guys in the Top 10 of now.

Guys outside the top 10 I would say:

Verdasco- a very good talent an great shotmaker. A much better example of a true underachiever given that he has about twice the talent of someone like Berdych.

Ljubicic- an excellent player and very underrated on TW. Even past his prime still doing real damage.

Ferrero- former #1 weakened by injuries and age. A great talent though.

Youzhny- another great shotmaker, not just a ball basher.

Monfils- His stroking package may not be the best, but he is an insanely good athlete with great serve and a huge forehand when he wants to.

Haas- another great talent who struggles to stay healthy. A guy like Berdych with the same # of injuries wouldnt even be top 50, let alone still top 20 like Haas.

Wawrinka- a very talented player and shotmaker, another true underachiever.

Hewitt- great player, sadly weakened by age and injuries.

Gasquet- overhyped as well, but still certainly a talented player, easily moreso than Berdych. I remember watching Berdych and Gasquet play live the day after Berdych beat Nadal in Canada 2006 (the prime of both players up to now anyway), and Gasquet anihilated Berdych dropping only 5 games and dishing him a breadstick.

Li Ching Yuen
03-31-2010, 01:40 AM
Guys outside the top 10 I would say:

Verdasco- a very good talent an great shotmaker. A much better example of a true underachiever given that he has about twice the talent of someone like Berdych.

Ljubicic- an excellent player and very underrated on TW. Even past his prime still doing real damage.

Ferrero- former #1 weakened by injuries and age. A great talent though.

Youzhny- another great shotmaker, not just a ball basher.

Monfils- His stroking package may not be the best, but he is an insanely good athlete with great serve and a huge forehand when he wants to.

Haas- another great talent who struggles to stay healthy. A guy like Berdych with the same # of injuries wouldnt even be top 50, let alone still top 20 like Haas.

Wawrinka- a very talented player and shotmaker, another true underachiever.

Hewitt- great player, sadly weakened by age and injuries.

Gasquet- overhyped as well, but still certainly a talented player, easily moreso than Berdych. I remember watching Berdych and Gasquet play live the day after Berdych beat Nadal in Canada 2006 (the prime of both players up to now anyway), and Gasquet anihilated Berdych dropping only 5 games and dishing him a breadstick.

Hewitt is the overachiever GOAT. If you think that guy is talented that you are seriously having issues with comprehending tennis.

Verdasco just got thrashed by Berdych a week ago. Are you serious?...or did you just mention him to cause some spasmic laughter?

Wawrinka has a great great backhand. And that's it. He's probably a bigger mental midget than Berdych himself and that's an understatement.

Gasquet has all the ingredients for an entertaining player to watch. However, he is lacking in so many departments in his game. People are just blinded by that legendary backhand.

Ferrero is a has-been. He's "almost great" ground game worked very well in a weak era just around the time some big names retired, for example Sampras.

Monfils is the master clown. His only purpose for being in tennis is to transform the court into a circus arena. Injuries are just the blessing we get for a player that really harms the spirit of the noble sport.

Haas, Ljubicic and Youzhny are very talented indeed, AND no one in their right mind will deny that.

Rhino
03-31-2010, 01:47 AM
Berdych did get lucky, as much as Federer would have been lucky to win... they both had match points on their own serve.

Sangria
03-31-2010, 01:48 AM
Nadal and Fed are arrogant SOB! :)

Can you clarify how Nadal is arrogant??

Telepatic
03-31-2010, 01:54 AM
Now give sportmenship award to Berdych!

ninman
03-31-2010, 02:08 AM
This is the second tournament in a row where Federer lost a match when he had match points. In both matches he played pretty badly, I didn't see this match, but I'm guessing from what I read. I wouldn't say Berdych was lucky at all, given the way that Federer's played these MS's over the last 4 years or so just about anybody can take Federer out in them.

I guess Berdych was lucky in the sense that it was him who beat Federer this week not somebody else.

davey25
03-31-2010, 02:30 AM
Hewitt is the overachiever GOAT. If you think that guy is talented that you are seriously having issues with comprehending tennis.

Hewitt was an overachiever even in his prime but in his prime he was easily more talented than Berdych, not that that is saying much. In addition to being far mentally tougher of course. Berdych would never be able to hit the returns, passing shots, lobs, even volleys, or move the way Hewitt did even if he were as mentally tough or as hard a worker, and those traits were superior to Berdych's ball bashing which is good but other guys can do better.

Verdasco just got thrashed by Berdych a week ago. Are you serious?...or did you just mention him to cause some spasmic laughter?

Verdasco thrashed himself in his last match with Berdych. Regardless of that one match Verdasco is the one with the higher ranking despite being a much bigger headcase than the overrated Berdych, and the best tennis he plays- eg the Australian Open last year, is head and shoulders superior to anything Berdych has ever produced his whole career. If you think otherwise you are a fool.

Wawrinka has a great great backhand. And that's it. He's probably a bigger mental midget than Berdych himself and that's an understatement.

Wawrinka has a very good forehand, a strong serve, he moves better than Berdych easily. If you think Wawrinka is one dimensional what would that make Berdych. You are right he is a bigger headcase than Berdych easily, which is why he a much better example of a true underachiever than Berdych who simply isnt and never was that good.

Gasquet has all the ingredients for an entertaining player to watch. However, he is lacking in so many departments in his game. People are just blinded by that legendary backhand.

I am not blinded. I agreed he was also overrated, but he still is more talented than Berdych. I already told you I saw them play in 2006 in Canada when Berdych and Gasquet were both at their peaks, and Berdych had just beaten Nadal. Gasquet thoroughly outclassed him and fed him a breadstick in the 2nd set.

Ferrero is a has-been. He's "almost great" ground game worked very well in a weak era just around the time some big names retired, for example Sampras.

I agree he is a has been, but in his prime has was tons better than Berdych ever was. Also telling that even past his prime, aging, and with all the injuries he has had to deal with which have undoubtably hurt his career, he is still ranked around the same or higher than Berdych at 24.

Monfils is the master clown. His only purpose for being in tennis is to transform the court into a circus arena.

and yet I would bet on him having a better career than Berdych in the long run. He has already made a slam semifinal, something Berdych has never managed btw. His serve, athletic ability, and forehand (when he hits it) are all beyond any aspect of Berdych's game.

Haas, Ljubicic and Youzhny are very talented indeed, AND no one in their right mind will deny that.

Indeed.

Sangria
03-31-2010, 02:40 AM
Why oh why does Federer need to talk during conferences.. Never a gracious and sportsman-like conversaton to be had.

kOaMaster
03-31-2010, 02:51 AM
maybe he is just referring to the challenge with "lucky"...we all no federer is no fan of hawk ey.
beside that I too had the feeling federer wasn't right there on court. not as concentrated and focussed as he could be at least.
and now we see what happens if a quiet good player like berdych sees his chance to win over a mediocre federer.


plus, this whole "arrogant" thing is maybe an american issue, where petty politeness is rather important. more so than being honest or say what you think.
(I just seems to me that no one in europe even comes up with the idea of federer being arrogant - it's the opposite!)

angiebaby
03-31-2010, 03:04 AM
How did Rafa get dragged into this?

djokovicgonzalez2010
03-31-2010, 03:19 AM
That's not humble from Fed at all,he should have said it was an "accident" or a "terrible disaster".

Yeah, that is the way to show sportsmanship. Was Berdych lucky that Fed played poorly? Hell, yes. Was it an accident that Ljubicic beat Nadal? No match is an accident

statto
03-31-2010, 03:36 AM
I'll be interested to see if Fed decides to play MC if Nadal wins here. They'd both be on 16 Masters titles and Nadal would have the first opportunity to equal Agassi's record if Federer didn't play.

When you factor in that the next three Masters events are all clay the liklihood is that Nadal will break Agassi's record before Federer, and if that happens I can't see Fed ever taking the record off Nadal.

namelessone
03-31-2010, 03:36 AM
Yeah, that is the way to show sportsmanship. Was Berdych lucky that Fed played poorly? Hell, yes. Was it an accident that Ljubicic beat Nadal? No match is an accident

Are you biased? Yes. Are you showing ignorance in your post? Yes.

Nadal said it was an accident because the match was in his hands and while it is something to choke against davydenko in doha(at least davy is a great player),it is something else to lose to a veteran in a masters when you control the match quite comfortably. Also,ljubicic had not beat Rafa since 2005,losing all matches,no matter the surface,from then on. It is an accident that Nadal lost control of a match and got beat by a guy he was beating in his teens,when he was way more limited(even with ljubicic's great form in IW he was getting handily beat by Rafa until 3-2 in the second,most commentators were preparing to end the match so to speak). It is an accident that Fed lost to a guy he owned,making 60 UE's along the way. If Nadal and Fed had got their mind straight on that day,they would have probably straight setted both ljubicic and berdych. Both guys had mental lapses and dips in form as the match went on,both Rafa and Fed were very up and down throughout these matches,which is unusal for them against lower ranked opponents(no offense to ljubi and berdych of course)

Starfury
03-31-2010, 03:39 AM
"I thought he played a good match. It's hard to judge his performance, because I look at mine only. When I'm not playing my best, it's hard to judge my opponent, to be quite honest.
[...]
Seems like he's coming back strong. That's good to see, because he's and incredible player and he's got incredible shots. Almost let this match off the hook again. He got lucky tonight."


Strange declarations from Federer. He didn't give much credit to Berdych for his win in the press conference but did say he played well and that he should have gotten to the top 10 some time ago.
Yeah, it's like he can't even say that Berdych played well or that he's a great player. How arrogant :rolleyes:

paulorenzo
03-31-2010, 04:05 AM
Hewitt is the overachiever GOAT. If you think that guy is talented that you are seriously having issues with comprehending tennis.

Verdasco just got thrashed by Berdych a week ago. Are you serious?...or did you just mention him to cause some spasmic laughter?

Wawrinka has a great great backhand. And that's it. He's probably a bigger mental midget than Berdych himself and that's an understatement.

Gasquet has all the ingredients for an entertaining player to watch. However, he is lacking in so many departments in his game. People are just blinded by that legendary backhand.

Ferrero is a has-been. He's "almost great" ground game worked very well in a weak era just around the time some big names retired, for example Sampras.

Monfils is the master clown. His only purpose for being in tennis is to transform the court into a circus arena. Injuries are just the blessing we get for a player that really harms the spirit of the noble sport.

Haas, Ljubicic and Youzhny are very talented indeed, AND no one in their right mind will deny that.


verdasco and gasquet have more talent than berdych, hands down.

verdasco is just an overall better shotmaker than berdych off both wings, and that's saying something since both of them do damage from the baseline, predominantly.

gasquet's backhand over shadows any shot that berdych has relatively speaking. although he's had poor results as of late, i've always thought gasquet's backhand has always been within the top 5 backhands on tour — up there with nalbandian and haas. gasquet as a player may be overhyped when people said he was the next federer, but all the merits people give his backhand, rather, are pretty accurate. gasquet's touch is also on another level than berdych's. only thing wrong with his game is his plain(relatively speaking) forehand and poor court positioning behind the baseline. still managed to beat berdych twice.


that being said, i like berdych's game from the baseline. he isn't my favorite baseline basher, that would go to del potro, but i would much rather watch berdych play instead of someone like murray.

pound cat
03-31-2010, 04:34 AM
"I thought he played a good match. It's hard to judge his performance, because I look at mine only. When I'm not playing my best, it's hard to judge my opponent, to be quite honest.
[...]
Seems like he's coming back strong. That's good to see, because he's and incredible player and he's got incredible shots. Almost let this match off the hook again. He got lucky tonight."


Strange declarations from Federer. He didn't give much credit to Berdych for his win in the press conference but did say he played well and that he should have gotten to the top 10 some time ago.



That's odd. This is what he said in his interview according to eurosport.co.uk Where did your quote come from????


"It was a tough match. Look, it's no secret I've struggled the last, what is it, five matches I've played here in the states," Federer said after his second early exit in a row since winning the Australian Open in January.

"It's disappointing, I think, my performance overall, if I've got to analyse right now after the match, but I fought as much as I could with my game having issues at the moment.

"Definitely lacking timing. I don't know where that comes from because I played so nicely in Australia. Maybe the sickness (a lung infection in February) did take it out of me more than I thought."


I believe this is what he really thinks about his game.

Ultra2HolyGrail
03-31-2010, 04:35 AM
If anything he was way too generous to Berdych. Berdych is closer to being a clown than an incredible player. Sorry the hype on the guy is ridiculous, I could have seen 3-5 years ago but now now. He is clearly not top 10 caliber, either in results, talent, overall game, anything.


I suppose you think YOU could do better? :roll: It's funny listening to real clowns who would get crushed 0-0 everyday of your life by these players you call clowns.

What are your achievements in tennis?

swissmiss
03-31-2010, 04:49 AM
T. BERDYCH/R. Federer

6 4, 6 7, 7 6

An interview with:

ROGER FEDERER

THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. Obviously backhand was off tonight. A lot of errors. Unusual for you. What was the problem out there? He was playing well, obviously.
ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, it was a tough match. Look, it's no secret I've struggled the last, what is it, five matches I've played here in the States. It's disappointing, I think, my performance overall, if I've got to analyze right now after the match.
But I fought as much as I could under the understood circumstances with my game having issues at the moment. Definitely lack timing. I don't know where that comes from because I played so nicely in Australia. So it's disappointing to not be able to back it up.
Maybe the sickness did take it out of me more than I thought. Maybe the break was quite long. I'm kind of used to those things, and I still, you know, think I could have done much better.
I was a couple points away this week and then also in Indian Wells had my chances. It's disappointing having had a chance to move on. Maybe I had a chance to sort of turn around my game.
But, you know, we'll see how it goes forward.

Q. What will you do to step back and assess this one?
ROGER FEDERER: Well, this is not stuff you can go too harshly on yourself. I tried everything I could out there. I thought he played a good match. It's hard to judge his performance, because I look at mine only.
When I'm not playing my best, it's hard to judge my opponent, to be quite honest. But he's a good player, so I knew the danger coming in, especially with the timing issues I've had already the last couple weeks.
But I thought I worked hard enough to iron those things out. Maybe I did. It was still the confidence lacking, and that's what kind of cost me these last two tournaments.
Only fuels my desire to go back to the practice courts and come back even stronger. I don't like to lose these type of the matches.
I'm looking forward to the clay court season now. It helps to kind of move on to a different surface. Then this has nothing to do too much with the clay court season, and that helps.
So I'm looking forward to that. Definitely need to practice harder, and that's what I'll do.

Q. Your first match you said that you felt the conditions were a bit strange and the balls were flying all over the place. Do you think that was the case tonight as well, or was it different?
ROGER FEDERER: I'm a bit confused with how I'm feeling the ball at the moment. Sometimes it flies and sometimes it doesn't. It's a lot to do with how you feel at the moment.
Tonight it definitely felt really slow. Normally Tomas or myself serve around 10 to 20 aces a match. It was almost impossible to get it past the other guy, you know, with the serve.
So conditions are so slow sometimes here, and then during the day they fly like crazy. So I guess it's got something to do with the conditions, but the issue is really my game. The conditions, usually I get used to those after a couple matches at the latest.

Q. Berdych, you've known a lot years that he has top 10 talent, right?
ROGER FEDERER: I would think so.

Q. What is it, consistency you think?
ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, if you look at the top 10 the last years, they've always been tough. It's not so easy just to get in there and hang around, you know, just think it's normal to be in there.
It definitely needs a special effort and a special sacrifice, and, you know, then you need some serious mental skills to handle the traveling and everything. It's not so easy. With different surfaces and injuries, it's demanding.
Or you do it the easy way and just win a big one. Then you're in if for a little bit and then you get better chances and seeds. But I would have thought he would have made his move a long time ago to be in the top 10.
Seems like he's coming back strong. That's good to see, because he's and incredible player and he's got incredible shots. Almost let this match off the hook again. He got lucky tonight.

Q. Did you think after you won the second set that you were then gonna win the match at that point?
ROGER FEDERER: Well, I thought it was back to even, if not maybe a slight advantage for me because I had the momentum.
It was a huge opportunity for him to maybe snatch victory in straight, because I kind of handed him the first set. Then in the second set I had so many chances it felt like I was gonna hump me at the end and then he didn't, so I was kind of happy with that.
Look, I never felt great the whole night. I just fought with what I had. I knew it was gonna be a tough third set, because thank God he wasn't in too many of my service games in the second set, which made it a bit easier for me to relax and concentrate on the return games.
But, look, I had tons of chances at the end. Match point was my serve, I mean, what more can I do? I tried everything I could. It's just not happening for me at the moment.

This is the whole interview.
To call Federer a bad sportsman based on this interview is absolutely ridiculous.

The Edberg
03-31-2010, 04:55 AM
What the hell is with Federer and these ridiculous post match little snippets every time he loses? Yea Fed... Berdych got lucky..because you stunk it and up along with choked. I dunno what his deal is with these non slam events anymore... At times I wonder why he even bothers to play them. He kicks butt in Australia and makes Murray look like a goof, then as soon as the smaller tourneys hit, his level drops 10 times. Its been a reocurring theme now for the last 2 years or so.

jgn1013
03-31-2010, 05:34 AM
What Fed said was true, if Fed was playing 80% of his capacity, Berdych would have never won.

zapvor
03-31-2010, 06:05 AM
i saw berdych up close (5ft away) last year and hes a good player, but hes not even close to the same caliber as federer. when opponent slices the ball and floats it he chooses to stay back and hit a groundie. and this is not once, but 20 times. so in that sense he got lucky that fed didint play well.

OJ ROD
03-31-2010, 06:10 AM
"amazing disaster" :wink:

Okay I feel stupid. Is saying that redundant, or contradictory?

forthegame
03-31-2010, 06:16 AM
"T. BERDYCH/R. Federer

6 4, 6 7, 7 6

An interview with:

ROGER FEDERER

THE MODERATOR: Questions, please.

Q. Obviously backhand was off tonight. A lot of errors. Unusual for you. What was the problem out there? He was playing well, obviously.
ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, it was a tough match. Look, it's no secret I've struggled the last, what is it, five matches I've played here in the States. It's disappointing, I think, my performance overall, if I've got to analyze right now after the match.
But I fought as much as I could under the understood circumstances with my game having issues at the moment. Definitely lack timing. I don't know where that comes from because I played so nicely in Australia. So it's disappointing to not be able to back it up.
Maybe the sickness did take it out of me more than I thought. Maybe the break was quite long. I'm kind of used to those things, and I still, you know, think I could have done much better.
I was a couple points away this week and then also in Indian Wells had my chances. It's disappointing having had a chance to move on. Maybe I had a chance to sort of turn around my game.
But, you know, we'll see how it goes forward.

Q. What will you do to step back and assess this one?
ROGER FEDERER: Well, this is not stuff you can go too harshly on yourself. I tried everything I could out there. I thought he played a good match. It's hard to judge his performance, because I look at mine only.
When I'm not playing my best, it's hard to judge my opponent, to be quite honest. But he's a good player, so I knew the danger coming in, especially with the timing issues I've had already the last couple weeks.
But I thought I worked hard enough to iron those things out. Maybe I did. It was still the confidence lacking, and that's what kind of cost me these last two tournaments.
Only fuels my desire to go back to the practice courts and come back even stronger. I don't like to lose these type of the matches.
I'm looking forward to the clay court season now. It helps to kind of move on to a different surface. Then this has nothing to do too much with the clay court season, and that helps.
So I'm looking forward to that. Definitely need to practice harder, and that's what I'll do.

Q. Your first match you said that you felt the conditions were a bit strange and the balls were flying all over the place. Do you think that was the case tonight as well, or was it different?
ROGER FEDERER: I'm a bit confused with how I'm feeling the ball at the moment. Sometimes it flies and sometimes it doesn't. It's a lot to do with how you feel at the moment.
Tonight it definitely felt really slow. Normally Tomas or myself serve around 10 to 20 aces a match. It was almost impossible to get it past the other guy, you know, with the serve.
So conditions are so slow sometimes here, and then during the day they fly like crazy. So I guess it's got something to do with the conditions, but the issue is really my game. The conditions, usually I get used to those after a couple matches at the latest.

Q. Berdych, you've known a lot years that he has top 10 talent, right?
ROGER FEDERER: I would think so.

Q. What is it, consistency you think?
ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, if you look at the top 10 the last years, they've always been tough. It's not so easy just to get in there and hang around, you know, just think it's normal to be in there.
It definitely needs a special effort and a special sacrifice, and, you know, then you need some serious mental skills to handle the traveling and everything. It's not so easy. With different surfaces and injuries, it's demanding.
Or you do it the easy way and just win a big one. Then you're in if for a little bit and then you get better chances and seeds. But I would have thought he would have made his move a long time ago to be in the top 10.
Seems like he's coming back strong. That's good to see, because he's and incredible player and he's got incredible shots. Almost let this match off the hook again. He got lucky tonight.

Q. Did you think after you won the second set that you were then gonna win the match at that point?
ROGER FEDERER: Well, I thought it was back to even, if not maybe a slight advantage for me because I had the momentum.
It was a huge opportunity for him to maybe snatch victory in straight, because I kind of handed him the first set. Then in the second set I had so many chances it felt like I was gonna hump me at the end and then he didn't, so I was kind of happy with that.
Look, I never felt great the whole night. I just fought with what I had. I knew it was gonna be a tough third set, because thank God he wasn't in too many of my service games in the second set, which made it a bit easier for me to relax and concentrate on the return games.
But, look, I had tons of chances at the end. Match point was my serve, I mean, what more can I do? I tried everything I could. It's just not happening for me at the moment. "


This is the whole interview.
To call Federer a bad sportsman based on this interview is absolutely ridiculous.

Thank you swissmiss.

Reading the whole interview is quite a different story from the isolated quote that started this thread.
This puts it all into context. No where near as bad as the OP made it sound. Maybe the OP is a pressman?

Thanks again.

cknobman
03-31-2010, 06:59 AM
Well if you watched the match you would know whoever won that match would have been lucky. They both were playing like crap, particularly Fed. I wouldnt call it a good win even if Fed had pulled it out.

drakulie
03-31-2010, 07:05 AM
awesome. just awesome.

Tina
03-31-2010, 07:08 AM
Terrific ^_^!!

drakulie
03-31-2010, 07:13 AM
^^^Really fabulous stuff.

dropshot winner
03-31-2010, 07:16 AM
verdasco and gasquet have more talent than berdych, hands down.

verdasco is just an overall better shotmaker than berdych off both wings, and that's saying something since both of them do damage from the baseline, predominantly.

gasquet's backhand over shadows any shot that berdych has relatively speaking. although he's had poor results as of late, i've always thought gasquet's backhand has always been within the top 5 backhands on tour — up there with nalbandian and haas. gasquet as a player may be overhyped when people said he was the next federer, but all the merits people give his backhand, rather, are pretty accurate. gasquet's touch is also on another level than berdych's. only thing wrong with his game is his plain(relatively speaking) forehand and poor court positioning behind the baseline. still managed to beat berdych twice.


that being said, i like berdych's game from the baseline. he isn't my favorite baseline basher, that would go to del potro, but i would much rather watch berdych play instead of someone like murray.

Gasquet's poor court positioning you spoke of is directly related to a technical weakness of his backhand (and forehand).

Gasquet can't consistently take balls on the rise, he needs lots of time to set up his big swing. His slice is solid but nothing special. His forehand is average for a top20 player and downright bad compared to the likes of Federer, Nadal, Del Potro and others.
What else does he have? Average serve, good volleys (which he can rarely use because he's 100 feet away from the net), average movement.

The two most important shots in the modern game are the forehand and serve, and that's exactly where Gasquet is far away from the best.

samster
03-31-2010, 07:17 AM
^^^Really fabulous stuff.

Yeah, drakulie got lucky when he kicked my *** 6-1 last time we played. ;)

I mean my FH, BH, serve, volley, movement were all way off. It is hard to judge how good drakulie is when my game was off. I mean my timing was off. I don't know where that comes from.

swedechris
03-31-2010, 07:19 AM
I was there last night and i have seen Fed play like this from time to time in the Masters series. He is a bit nonchalant when it comes to these tournies the last few years. He cares but not more than 80-90%.
Berdych is a good player on fast surfaces and he hung in there and moved with conviction and some speed which surprised me.
Good win for the Bird.

Mustard
03-31-2010, 07:22 AM
Hewitt is the overachiever GOAT.

:roll:

Hewitt is big underachiever. Without Federer, he's probably a 7-time slam winner.

bruce38
03-31-2010, 07:24 AM
:roll:

Hewitt is big underachiever. Without Federer, he's probably a 7-time slam winner.

That essentially contradicts the definition of underachiever.

Antonio Puente
03-31-2010, 07:33 AM
plus, this whole "arrogant" thing is maybe an american issue, where petty politeness is rather important. more so than being honest or say what you think.
(I just seems to me that no one in europe even comes up with the idea of federer being arrogant - it's the opposite!)

No, it's universal. Now, I'm sure it's true you won't find many Swiss calling Fed arrogant, but that's to be expected.

It's true though that much of Fed's "arrogance" is simply a lack of proficiency in the subtleties of the English language. For someone who has presumably spoken the language his entire life, his English is terrible. He's constantly saying things he didn't intend to say.

Mustard
03-31-2010, 07:34 AM
That essentially contradicts the definition of underachiever.

That he could have won 7 slams and has actually won 2 slams? And that's without taking his injury situation into account. That's underachieving. Overachieving is winning more than you should have.

drakulie
03-31-2010, 07:39 AM
Yeah, drakulie got lucky when he kicked my *** 6-1 last time we played. ;)

I mean my FH, BH, serve, volley, movement were all way off. It is hard to judge how good drakulie is when my game was off. I mean my timing was off. I don't know where that comes from.

What are your post-match thoughts?
I mean, yeah>>> you know, uhm, Samster is a great competitor. He wasn''t,,, you know, he really wasn't able to impose his game out there. Conditions were tough for both of us. I'm just happy I got thru to the next round.

Was anything he did bothering you out there?
uhmm, well, you know,,,it's always tough you know,,,,,, you know going up against a great player. He really competes. The score, you know,, doesn't always exactly tell the whole story you know. I mean, uhm, beating him by a total of 6-1,,, ehmm, you know a few points here or there, and it could have been Samster winning the match 6-1. I'm just happy I got thru to the next round.

pmerk34
03-31-2010, 08:15 AM
No, it's universal. Now, I'm sure it's true you won't find many Swiss calling Fed arrogant, but that's to be expected.

It's true though that much of Fed's "arrogance" is simply a lack of proficiency in the subtleties of the English language. For someone who has presumably spoken the language his entire life, his English is terrible. He's constantly saying things he didn't intend to say.

I think if a Language isn't your first native tongue you will always have these sorts of issues.

swordtennis
03-31-2010, 08:17 AM
LOL! Well have to say the shanking I saw last night was even worse than 2008 up to Miami 2009. Well last year he slammed the racket and then he got it 2gether. So he might be ok. But I only thought he would get 1 maybe 2 majors this year.

Fedace
03-31-2010, 08:19 AM
I told you. That SICK look on Roger's face after the match Told it all. and he confirms it during the press conference.....LOL

TMF
03-31-2010, 08:22 AM
Federer squandered many oppotunities including a match point. A match Berdych WAS lucky to escape with a win.

jamesblakefan#1
03-31-2010, 08:24 AM
Guys outside the top 10 I would say:
Verdasco- a very good talent an great shotmaker. A much better example of a true underachiever given that he has about twice the talent of someone like Berdych.

Ljubicic- an excellent player and very underrated on TW. Even past his prime still doing real damage.

Ferrero- former #1 weakened by injuries and age. A great talent though.

Youzhny- another great shotmaker, not just a ball basher.

Monfils- His stroking package may not be the best, but he is an insanely good athlete with great serve and a huge forehand when he wants to.

Haas- another great talent who struggles to stay healthy. A guy like Berdych with the same # of injuries wouldnt even be top 50, let alone still top 20 like Haas.

Wawrinka- a very talented player and shotmaker, another true underachiever.

Hewitt- great player, sadly weakened by age and injuries.

Gasquet- overhyped as well, but still certainly a talented player, easily moreso than Berdych. I remember watching Berdych and Gasquet play live the day after Berdych beat Nadal in Canada 2006 (the prime of both players up to now anyway), and Gasquet anihilated Berdych dropping only 5 games and dishing him a breadstick.

Yet Berdych's more accomplished than some of those guys you listed. He's won a MS title (Verdasco, Youzhny, Wawrinka, Monfils, Gasquet haven't); Been top 10 in the world (Wawrinka has not); beaten Fed and Nadal on multiple occasions (Verdasco for instance gags all over himself whenever he plays a top 10 player - everyone points to the Nadal match to show how much talent he has, that was more of a fluke than anything, and he's come nowhere near that level of tennis since then).

My point is, you call Berdych a clown is just plain disrespectful, as others have pointed out. I'm not going to sit here and say the guy could've been a multiple slam champ or even a 1 time slam champ, but he's proven he can play on all surfaces, has been top 20 for 5+ years now - you don't do that by being untalented.

swordtennis
03-31-2010, 08:26 AM
Don't these Nadal "fans" have a Nadal groupie Orgy to go to or something? ;-)
Just having fun.

swordtennis
03-31-2010, 08:28 AM
What Fed said was true, if Fed was playing 80% of his capacity, Berdych would have never won.

Man but he did have a few moments where he showed how consistently great he once was. Man some of those games he won were tennis god like.

edmondsm
03-31-2010, 08:29 AM
TW troll 101:

1) Read Federer interview.

2) Find 4-5 words that can be construed as arrogant.

3) Start thread on TW.

4) Disappear.

dropshot winner
03-31-2010, 08:31 AM
Yet Berdych's more accomplished than some of those guys you listed. He's won a MS title (Verdasco, Youzhny, Wawrinka, Monfils, Gasquet haven't); Been top 10 in the world (Wawrinka has not); beaten Fed and Nadal on multiple occasions (Verdasco for instance gags all over himself whenever he plays a top 10 player - everyone points to the Nadal match to show how much talent he has, that was more of a fluke than anything, and he's come nowhere near that level of tennis since then).

My point is, you call Berdych a clown is just plain disrespectful, as others have pointed out. I'm not going to sit here and say the guy could've been a multiple slam champ or even a 1 time slam champ, but he's proven he can play on all surfaces, has been top 20 for 5+ years now - you don't do that by being untalented.

Exactly. "Uber-talented" Verdasco hasn't even reached a Masters SF! Gasquet hasn't done anything in years. Monfils seems to only play well in Roland Garros.
Wawrinka is a even bigger headcase than Verdasco with a very hit and miss forehand, I say that as a fan of his game and countryman.

decades
03-31-2010, 08:36 AM
what did his biggest fan, Mary Jo say?

jamesblakefan#1
03-31-2010, 08:44 AM
Exactly. "Uber-talented" Verdasco hasn't even reached a Masters SF! Gasquet hasn't done anything in years. Monfils seems to only play well in Roland Garros.
Wawrinka is a even bigger headcase than Verdasco with a very hit and miss forehand, I say that as a fan of his game and countryman.

Yeah, just look at Berdych's slam record compared to some of the supposedly 'much more talented' players.

Berdych - 45-26 (.634)

Wawrinka - 31-19 (.620)
Gasquet - 31-20 (.608)
Verdasco - 52-27 (.658)
Youzhny - 56-34 (.622)
Ljubicic - 38-40 (.487)
Monfils - 33-17 (.660)

Only Verdasco and Monfils has a better one, but even that's not by a lot.

Li Ching Yuen
03-31-2010, 08:56 AM
Hewitt was an overachiever even in his prime but in his prime he was easily more talented than Berdych, not that that is saying much. In addition to being far mentally tougher of course. Berdych would never be able to hit the returns, passing shots, lobs, even volleys, or move the way Hewitt did even if he were as mentally tough or as hard a worker, and those traits were superior to Berdych's ball bashing which is good but other guys can do better.



Verdasco thrashed himself in his last match with Berdych. Regardless of that one match Verdasco is the one with the higher ranking despite being a much bigger headcase than the overrated Berdych, and the best tennis he plays- eg the Australian Open last year, is head and shoulders superior to anything Berdych has ever produced his whole career. If you think otherwise you are a fool.



Wawrinka has a very good forehand, a strong serve, he moves better than Berdych easily. If you think Wawrinka is one dimensional what would that make Berdych. You are right he is a bigger headcase than Berdych easily, which is why he a much better example of a true underachiever than Berdych who simply isnt and never was that good.



I am not blinded. I agreed he was also overrated, but he still is more talented than Berdych. I already told you I saw them play in 2006 in Canada when Berdych and Gasquet were both at their peaks, and Berdych had just beaten Nadal. Gasquet thoroughly outclassed him and fed him a breadstick in the 2nd set.



I agree he is a has been, but in his prime has was tons better than Berdych ever was. Also telling that even past his prime, aging, and with all the injuries he has had to deal with which have undoubtably hurt his career, he is still ranked around the same or higher than Berdych at 24.



and yet I would bet on him having a better career than Berdych in the long run. He has already made a slam semifinal, something Berdych has never managed btw. His serve, athletic ability, and forehand (when he hits it) are all beyond any aspect of Berdych's game.



Indeed.

Wow, this is some hysterical trolling.

Thankfully, there have been some posters that have agreed with me since my last post here, so there's been a clarification of who's the clown.

It's really amazing how much someone can actually hate a player and go on about it with un-founded ridiculousness.

Wawrinka, Monfils?....seriously?

:|:|

aprilfool
03-31-2010, 09:15 AM
do you think he could ask Rafa for some help on this crying issue... something that can wick the tears...

some sort of fast wicking tissue...

say...

this for example...

http://www.decathlon.pt/products-pictures/gd-asset_13320716.jpg


LOL. Too good!!

rommil
03-31-2010, 09:17 AM
Wow, this is some hysterical trolling.

Thankfully, there have been some posters that have agreed with me since my last post here, so there's been a clarification of who's the clown.

It's really amazing how much someone can actually hate a player and go on about it with un-founded ridiculousness.

Wawrinka, Monfils?....seriously?

:|:|

Proceed with talking to davey at your own risk. Next thing you know he will drag Serena into this and you will find yourself in the Twilight zone.......

abmk
03-31-2010, 09:32 AM
Proceed with talking to davey at your own risk. Next thing you know he will drag Serena into this and you will find yourself in the Twilight zone.......

ha ha, how true ! :)

ttbrowne
03-31-2010, 09:36 AM
Quit it! Fed, and any other player who loses a match, does not have to fawn all over their opponent. They don't have to heap praises nor bow down and kiss their feet. If you're waiting for that to happen from Fed...you'll wait a long time.

bruce38
03-31-2010, 09:36 AM
That he could have won 7 slams and has actually won 2 slams? And that's without taking his injury situation into account. That's underachieving. Overachieving is winning more than you should have.

He had no choice in the matter. Underachieving is self-imposed. You don't understand the definition.

coloskier
03-31-2010, 09:55 AM
Why don't Federer just admit that Berdych played better than him????

Berdych was so composed to pull off a great win in a tough three setter match. Saving match point in the last tie break proved how cool Berdych was. He even managed a smile after Fed got a match point on his serve.. because of the ridiculously close hawkeye result.

Why didn't Fed smile at Berdych and congratulate him....

Because he knew that 8 times of of 10 he will win. :)

djokovicgonzalez2010
03-31-2010, 09:57 AM
bad sportsmanship but nothing colossal

forzamilan90
03-31-2010, 09:58 AM
fed didn't have a good game at all, nothing went right, he had 3-4 federersque shots, but they were followed by many errors. berdych played all right, but to be fair, he was lucky fed wasn't on his game yesterday, otherwise we all know how the match would have went

ksbh
03-31-2010, 10:21 AM
Rhino ... we'd like to hear what your 6 year old nephew thinks about the match! ;)

Berdych did get lucky, as much as Federer would have been lucky to win... they both had match points on their own serve.

World Beater
03-31-2010, 10:30 AM
it was absolute terrible disaster!

important accident.

LOL. those were far more gracious comments

RalphNYC
03-31-2010, 10:51 AM
To call Federer a bad sportsman based on this interview is absolutely ridiculous.

But this is the Talk Tennis forum, where logic and truth don't matter, you just say whatever you want, then beat your chest and jump up and down on your branch. Until the next guy does it, and on and on it goes...

rommil
03-31-2010, 11:20 AM
it was absolute terrible disaster!

important accident.

LOL. those were far more gracious comments

LOL......I must have missed something recently. Where did all these "terrible disaster/accident" start?

swissmiss
03-31-2010, 11:28 AM
LOL......I must have missed something recently. Where did all these "terrible disaster/accident" start?

Nadal's post match interview after he lost to Ljubicic.

That's was an accident today. That's my feeling, because I was playing enough well to win the tournament. It was important accident

The day was very difficult, you know, and probably that's help him from the baseline, no? Because the wind, the ball was moving a lot. I was playing really well, and, you know, when you have -- when there is a big wind like today, important wind, is easier for the player that plays a little bit worse from the baseline, because it's a different situations.
With the slice, with normal shots, with not very good shots, the ball is there and for the player who is playing aggressive. Is more difficult to put the balls closer to the lines. Probably that was important part of the game today, no, what makes him easier to play with me from the baseline.
Because if not, I think will be more difficult for him to play with me. I gonna have more chances to have the control of the point with the forehand and move him.

Amazing disaster from Miami last year:

Rafael Nadal lost to Del Potro in the quarterfinals of the Sony Ericsson Open yesterday – 6-4, 3-6, 7-6 (3). Nadal was up two breaks in the third set, but del Potro scraped his way back and won it in the tie breaker. Rafa summed up this roller coaster ride of a match in his post-match presser, saying: “(It was) wonderful for the crowd. Terrible for me.”

More from Nadal on his third set melt down:

Q. You came back very strong and won the second set. Up two breaks in the third. What happened in that moment?
RAFAEL NADAL: No, I didn’t came back very strong, no? He start to had a lot of mistakes, no? I think I played really bad all the time. That’s the true of the match. Later when I have 3-0 in the third I played worse. So, yeah, I have the match — it’s 6-4, 2-1 I playing terrible. Later he have mistakes and I was there. And later with 3-0, it was amazing disaster. Yeah.


Read more: http://www.gototennisblog.com/2009/04/03/sony-ericsson-open-report-rafael-nadals-amazing-disaster/#ixzz0jmTWMTYJ

Parabolica
03-31-2010, 11:28 AM
Plain and simple; he doesnt care. Would you? after 16 GS's. Masters tournaments mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.

larlarbd
03-31-2010, 02:18 PM
Yeah , Fed's Buddy Tiger got lucky tonight too !!! But in a TOTALLY different situation...

acintya
03-31-2010, 03:20 PM
bite me, but berdych is a clown #2

here is the proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eog0TaQ1o3c

he doesnt have class like nadal and federer. soderling was the same but has grown up, i like him more now, and he said he regrets what he did to nadal(in an interview).

you can be a narcist, intolerant pig or everything else deep in your character as long you dont show this to public. Some players in top10 are really big narcissists but they hardly ever show that. i will not name the biggest cause i dont want to generate friction in here hahaha :)

berdych luckor i wanted to see federer and nadal in the finals :\

jamesblakefan#1
03-31-2010, 04:02 PM
bite me, but berdych is a clown #2

here is the proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eog0TaQ1o3c

he doesnt have class like nadal and federer. soderling was the same but has grown up, i like him more now, and he said he regrets what he did to nadal(in an interview).

you can be a narcist, intolerant pig or everything else deep in your character as long you dont show this to public. Some players in top10 are really big narcissists but they hardly ever show that. i will not name the biggest cause i dont want to generate friction in here hahaha :)

berdych luckor i wanted to see federer and nadal in the finals :\

Nadal has mentioned several times in the past that he and Berdych have made up since this incident. No reason to bring up something from 4 years ago to try and bury a guy.

borg number one
03-31-2010, 04:50 PM
So let me get this straight, Berdych has "underachieved", meaning he should have won more and had better results, but when he now beats the #1 player in the world, Federer, he is only "LUCKY", and it's NOT because he is actually playing up to his potential? That doesn't quite compute. So, that quote sounds a bit strange coming from Federer. It was a bad choice of words, but it happens.

fed_rulz
03-31-2010, 04:59 PM
So let me get this straight, Berdych has "underachieved", meaning he should have won more and had better results, but when he now beats the #1 player in the world, Federer, he is only "LUCKY", and it's NOT because he is actually playing up to his potential? That doesn't quite compute. So, that quote sounds a bit strange coming from Federer. It was a bad choice of words, but it happens.

c'mon BNO, you're better than that! Berdych is an "under-achiever" as far as his career is concerned; having said that, he was lucky to have won yesterday (as much as Fed would've been lucky if he had won too) -- both were playing horrendous tennis!

World Beater
03-31-2010, 05:00 PM
So let me get this straight, Berdych has "underachieved", meaning he should have won more and had better results, but when he now beats the #1 player in the world, Federer, he is only "LUCKY", and it's NOT because he is actually playing up to his potential? That doesn't quite compute. So, that quote sounds a bit strange coming from Federer. It was a bad choice of words, but it happens.

i don't know.

7-6 in a third set TB with federer having mp on his serve.

sounds like luck / fluke to me...since it really hasnt happened with federer serving for it in a TB.

OddJack
03-31-2010, 05:14 PM
Berdych got lucky cuz whoever played against him last night would have won..Rodge didnt want to go any further..

He had to make it like he cares tho, in respect for opponent and the audience.

He has not won that tournament since 2006 and look what he has done since...

samprasvsfederer123
03-31-2010, 05:19 PM
hm this thread is so forum is so hopeless, its either ur a fed fan, fed hater, or some crazy lunatic that is going to rant about he so arrogant,

whats so bad at saying the truth, wasnt berdych in fact lucky that fed played bad tennis, and was serving horribly?

you people over analyze this,

and give him credit? in what way did he not give tomas credit, its not like he is gonna say "oh ya he did a good job at dramatically kicking my butt"

tacou
03-31-2010, 05:21 PM
these threads are so pointless. to a degree Berdych did get lucky, and if Fed had won in at 6-5 in the TB he DEFINITELY would have been lucky to win that match. luck plays it's part, and it did, and Berdych also played very well, which Federer clearly pointed out first.

OrangeOne
03-31-2010, 05:29 PM
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quest01
03-31-2010, 05:37 PM
I don't like it when any player says "he/she got lucky tonight" thats an excuse Serena usually says not Federer which is surprising.

OrangeOne
03-31-2010, 05:41 PM
Hewitt is the overachiever GOAT. If you think that guy is talented that you are seriously having issues with comprehending tennis.

Ever stood on the side of a court and watched him hit a ball? The guy has ridiculously amazing timing, and in his day, amazing court coverage. Still pretty damn good now.

Verdasco just got thrashed by Berdych a week ago. Are you serious?...or did you just mention him to cause some spasmic laughter?
Mmm, yes, 1 loss destroys a player.

Monfils is the master clown. His only purpose for being in tennis is to transform the court into a circus arena. Injuries are just the blessing we get for a player that really harms the spirit of the noble sport.Disappointing, isn't it, to see a player with personality on the courts? A player with talent too. And hopefully, someone that wouldn't call injuries a blessing. Noble sport? It's a sport. Full-Stop.

Wow, there's a pile of rubbish if ever I've read one. The again, quality rarely comes with quantity

Li Ching Yuen
Join Date: 03-08-2010
Total Posts: 817 (33.95 posts per day)Here's an idea... walk away from the keyboard, go watch some pro tennis live, and re-write the above post.

Toxicmilk
03-31-2010, 05:42 PM
Can you clarify how Nadal is arrogant??

Don't you know? Any and all posts with Federer have everything to do with Nadal, whether Sampras is GOAT, why Borg is better, if Rod Laver could win in this era, if Roddick has a better serve than Fed, why hewitt is a clown, which era was stronger, why the surfaces are slower, whether Federer has a goodbackhand or not, is he friends with nadal? is he friends with sampras? why is his wife so fat? why is he so metrosexual, how his 2005 self was GOAT, why his forehand beats nadals forehand,...and so on and so forth. :twisted::twisted::twisted:

but mostly nadal =D

Li Ching Yuen
03-31-2010, 05:54 PM
Ever stood on the side of a court and watched him hit a ball? The guy has ridiculously amazing timing, and in his day, amazing court coverage. Still pretty damn good now.

Mmm, yes, 1 loss destroys a player.

Disappointing, isn't it, to see a player with personality on the courts? A player with talent too. And hopefully, someone that wouldn't call injuries a blessing. Noble sport? It's a sport. Full-Stop.

Wow, there's a pile of rubbish if ever I've read one. The again, quality rarely comes with quantity

Here's an idea... walk away from the keyboard, go watch some pro tennis live, and re-write the above post.

Obviously, I was exaggerating with my "analysis" and some of the things I threw at those players out there, but that was to counter my fellow poster, who has been trolling since the first page of this thread in the same vein.

But, that part that you said about Monfils is simply baffling.

So to you, that IS personality?

What is your background?...'cause where I come from what Monfils does on the court is called "rude behavior" and is proof of a poor education.

And an average of 33 posts per day is a lot? for this part of the tennis season?

I think you should give that a second thought, you probably just wanted to congratulate me that I know how to operate the keyboard.

OrangeOne
03-31-2010, 06:01 PM
you probably just wanted to congratulate me that I know how to operate the keyboard.

I didn't..

grimmbomb21
03-31-2010, 06:02 PM
Fed lost because he wasn't playing a slam. The guy doesn't even have close to the same intensity in non-slam events. That includes masters.

Li Ching Yuen
03-31-2010, 06:06 PM
I didn't..

I'm sure if you had researched some more you would've noticed most of my posts are one-liners in the live commentary threads, but alas, what am I talking about?...what do I know?

I bow to your wit and your e-toughness, you warrior.

acintya
03-31-2010, 06:08 PM
Nadal has mentioned several times in the past that he and Berdych have made up since this incident. No reason to bring up something from 4 years ago to try and bury a guy.

I give you 100% right but I dont want to bury him. I just say that should never happen to such a pro player. FIRST impression is first impression, he can do whatever he wants, but I and a lots of other people will never forget that. It was just mean. A man who is clear in his mind and has a great and a grown up spirit and BONTON will never do this.
This is what seperates a man who is control and a man who cannot control his EGO, which is one of the hardest things to do. And the thing with breaking racquets is the same. For me this is trowing money away. Anyway i think I overreacted and cannot demand that he should play god. :D
I like chilled players :D

Mun
03-31-2010, 07:55 PM
"I thought he played a good match. It's hard to judge his performance, because I look at mine only. When I'm not playing my best, it's hard to judge my opponent, to be quite honest.
[...]
Seems like he's coming back strong. That's good to see, because he's and incredible player and he's got incredible shots. Almost let this match off the hook again. He got lucky tonight."


Strange declarations from Federer. He didn't give much credit to Berdych for his win in the press conference but did say he played well and that he should have gotten to the top 10 some time ago.

Then Federer got lucky to win last Wimbledon and French Open. I am not trolling, just following "Mr. Gentleman" :-? standards.

Justin Side
03-31-2010, 11:19 PM
How did Rafa get dragged into this?

All popular threads lead to Fedal debates. It can't be stopped, only contained for a short time.

anointedone
03-31-2010, 11:24 PM
I suppose you think YOU could do better? :roll: It's funny listening to real clowns who would get crushed 0-0 everyday of your life by these players you call clowns.

What are your achievements in tennis?

Says the moron who thinks prime Crapriati was better than Graf, and Sabatini was 29-11 vs Graf.

paulorenzo
03-31-2010, 11:47 PM
Gasquet's poor court positioning you spoke of is directly related to a technical weakness of his backhand (and forehand).

Gasquet can't consistently take balls on the rise, he needs lots of time to set up his big swing. His slice is solid but nothing special. His forehand is average for a top20 player and downright bad compared to the likes of Federer, Nadal, Del Potro and others.
What else does he have? Average serve, good volleys (which he can rarely use because he's 100 feet away from the net), average movement.

The two most important shots in the modern game are the forehand and serve, and that's exactly where Gasquet is far away from the best.

oh yes, i wholeheartedly agree. we've seen him play aggressively on top of the baseline and transition to the net successfully but your point about not taking the ball on the rise consistently is pretty spot on.

the take-back on his backhand is a hinderance. he compensates for the big, looping take-back with his defensive court positioning to give himself more time. and if his backhand was more compact while everything else about it stayed the same, it would be great for his game in multiple aspects and would fare a lot better in fast court tournaments since he wouldn't need all that time to prepare for a backhand, thus enabling him to stand closer to the baseline.

but the thing is, the point i was trying to make is that berdych does not have more talent than gasquet(in response to another poster's comments). gasquet beat berdych twice in the two times they've met. he was able to get to the semifinals at wimbledon with court positioning that doesn't benefit him on grass. gasquet's backahnd is more versatile and more clutch than either of berdych's groundies. i hold true to what i said earlier about gasquet being more talented than berdych. berdych is a likable player(with or without the nadal fiasco) with a big game, i have nothing against the guy.

edit: but of course, to each his own.

davey25
04-01-2010, 12:33 AM
Yet Berdych's more accomplished than some of those guys you listed. He's won a MS title (Verdasco, Youzhny, Wawrinka, Monfils, Gasquet haven't); Been top 10 in the world (Wawrinka has not); beaten Fed and Nadal on multiple occasions (Verdasco for instance gags all over himself whenever he plays a top 10 player - everyone points to the Nadal match to show how much talent he has, that was more of a fluke than anything, and he's come nowhere near that level of tennis since then).

My point is, you call Berdych a clown is just plain disrespectful, as others have pointed out. I'm not going to sit here and say the guy could've been a multiple slam champ or even a 1 time slam champ, but he's proven he can play on all surfaces, has been top 20 for 5+ years now - you don't do that by being untalented.

I was not asked though who had accomplished more in their careers. For that I could come up with an entirely different list of players of guys outside the current top 10 as well, and the list would be even longer if I included all "active" players. I was asked who I viewed as more talented, which is different than more accomplished, and certainly I consider all those guys more talented than Berdych, and alot more interesting to watch in most cases too.

As for achieved more that is subjective in a couple of these cases. Gasquet has been to a Wimbledon semi, has been in multiple Masters finals, has qualified for the year end TMC which Berdych never has. Berdych's only edge is that Masters title, and his Masters title was an event the top 5 all pulled out of which puts an asterix on it. Is Berdych really more accomplished overall than Gasquet? Highly debateable at best, considering the circumstances around Berdych Masters win especialy I dont consider him more accomplished than Gasquet.

Monfils has made a Grand Slam semifinal which Berdych never has. He was in a Masters final last year in a stacked field vs the Masters Berdych won with nobody in the top 5 in the event. He is also 2 years younger than Berdych. I would bet on him having the brighter future, his athletic gifts are certainly beyond Berdych who is only a ball basher. Monfils when he wants to hits a forehand that is a bigger ground shot than any Berdych has, and hits one of the games biggest serves, combine that with his incredible retrieving ability and he easily has more potential for the future. Whether he achieves that remains to be seen.

I agree overall Verdasco, Youzhny, and Wawrinka have achieved less which just shows my point that those guys are much bigger underachievers than Berdych as IMO they are more talented players than Berdych is. Verdasco I could see surpassing Berdych in achievements if he can go on the path he is on now though. He seems to be getting more consistent, now he just needs more mental toughness vs the top players. The TMC last year shows this, he was in every match and could have gone 3-0 potentially but went 0-3. Berdych in that same event probably would have been spanked in atleast 2 of his 3 matches, if not all 3. And do remember that Verdasco and Youzhny atleast made a Grand Slam semi too, which Berdych never has.

davey25
04-01-2010, 12:42 AM
Wow, this is some hysterical trolling.

Thankfully, there have been some posters that have agreed with me since my last post here, so there's been a clarification of who's the clown.

It's really amazing how much someone can actually hate a player and go on about it with un-founded ridiculousness.

Wawrinka, Monfils?....seriously?

:|:|

Idiot, Monfils has been having better than results than Berdych for over 2 years now, and has been higher ranked than Berdych for a year and a half now. It is obvious from your comments you are biased against Monfils because of his personality, but all the facts suggest he is a better player right now. And while you can disagree all you want most of the games experts believe he has a brighter future and more potential than Berdych at this point too.

hyperwarrior
04-01-2010, 01:27 AM
Yeah, nice thread to fuel the *******!!!

TennisandMusic
04-01-2010, 01:44 AM
I give you 100% right but I dont want to bury him. I just say that should never happen to such a pro player. FIRST impression is first impression, he can do whatever he wants, but I and a lots of other people will never forget that. It was just mean. A man who is clear in his mind and has a great and a grown up spirit and BONTON will never do this.
This is what seperates a man who is control and a man who cannot control his EGO, which is one of the hardest things to do. And the thing with breaking racquets is the same. For me this is trowing money away. Anyway i think I overreacted and cannot demand that he should play god. :D
I like chilled players :D

So you have never been mean? That's cool, if you've never been mean to anyone, ever, I can understand how you could hold that against someone for the rest of their life.

dropshot winner
04-01-2010, 02:15 AM
oh yes, i wholeheartedly agree. we've seen him play aggressively on top of the baseline and transition to the net successfully but your point about not taking the ball on the rise consistently is pretty spot on.

the take-back on his backhand is a hinderance. he compensates for the big, looping take-back with his defensive court positioning to give himself more time. and if his backhand was more compact while everything else about it stayed the same, it would be great for his game in multiple aspects and would fare a lot better in fast court tournaments since he wouldn't need all that time to prepare for a backhand, thus enabling him to stand closer to the baseline.

but the thing is, the point i was trying to make is that berdych does not have more talent than gasquet(in response to another poster's comments). gasquet beat berdych twice in the two times they've met. he was able to get to the semifinals at wimbledon with court positioning that doesn't benefit him on grass. gasquet's backahnd is more versatile and more clutch than either of berdych's groundies. i hold true to what i said earlier about gasquet being more talented than berdych. berdych is a likable player(with or without the nadal fiasco) with a big game, i have nothing against the guy.

edit: but of course, to each his own.

Good post.

I agree that Berdych isn't more talented than Gasquet, but I do think he's got the bigger game.

My point was mostly about how overrated Gasquet talent is. Yes he's good, but he has soo many flaws in his game that he shouldn't be in the same discussion like a Nalbandian or a Safin.

I find it always hilarious when someone puts Gasquet's and Nalbandian's backhand on the same level.
If you ever watched a backhand exchange between the two it's very obvious that Gasquet is almost all the time under extreme pressure. Nalbandian takes the balls early and Gasquet needs to retreat further and further back to hang on, and then Nalbandian hits a dropshot or a angled winner and the point is over.

dropshot winner
04-01-2010, 02:21 AM
oh yes, i wholeheartedly agree. we've seen him play aggressively on top of the baseline and transition to the net successfully but your point about not taking the ball on the rise consistently is pretty spot on.

the take-back on his backhand is a hinderance. he compensates for the big, looping take-back with his defensive court positioning to give himself more time. and if his backhand was more compact while everything else about it stayed the same, it would be great for his game in multiple aspects and would fare a lot better in fast court tournaments since he wouldn't need all that time to prepare for a backhand, thus enabling him to stand closer to the baseline.

but the thing is, the point i was trying to make is that berdych does not have more talent than gasquet(in response to another poster's comments). gasquet beat berdych twice in the two times they've met. he was able to get to the semifinals at wimbledon with court positioning that doesn't benefit him on grass. gasquet's backahnd is more versatile and more clutch than either of berdych's groundies. i hold true to what i said earlier about gasquet being more talented than berdych. berdych is a likable player(with or without the nadal fiasco) with a big game, i have nothing against the guy.

edit: but of course, to each his own.

Good post.

I agree that Berdych isn't more talented than Gasquet, but I do think he's got the bigger game.

My point was mostly about how overrated Gasquet talent is. Yes he's good, but he has soo many flaws in his game that he shouldn't be in the same discussion like a Nalbandian or a Safin.

I find it always hilarious when someone puts Gasquet's and Nalbandian's backhand on the same level.
If you ever watched a backhand exchange between the two it's very obvious that Gasquet is almost all the time under extreme pressure. Nalbandian takes the balls early and Gasquet needs to retreat further and further back to hang on, and then Nalbandian hits a dropshot or a angled winner and the point is over.

sh@de
04-01-2010, 03:10 AM
Then Federer got lucky to win last Wimbledon and French Open. I am not trolling, just following "Mr. Gentleman" :-? standards.

You're lucky you haven't been banned yet. I'm just following your standards!

15_ounce
04-01-2010, 03:37 AM
Federer got lucky to get a match point... because of Berdych's shot, which just almost touched the line.. but was indeed out by a milimeter or so... THAT WAS LUCKY for Federer.

Then Federer choked and could not serve it out because of Berdych's composure.. he was sooo much cooler than Federer and smiled.. and he hit such an incredible return in such a tight and tense situation.... and a winning bomb forehand to level it out 6-6 instead of losing the tie-break 7-5. So, here, Berdych wasn't lucky at all.. he WORKED for it, not waiting for opponent's error.

THEN, Berdych earned his match point on Federer's serve by sending two bomb forehands, one to the right corner, and then one to the left corner of Fed. Berdych really worked for it. NOT lucky at all. Look at Federer, he did not go more on his first serve and couldn't get a first serve in!

Berdych served it out really well. He put his big first serve in, he hit a hard backhand straight to Federer's forehand side (his weaker side of the night--clever of Berdych) but close to fed's body so fed did not have much room to work on and fed sent a forehand long... wayy looong.

So, it's not lucky at all for Berdych. He played really well and clearly have a strategy to beat Fed and as for Federer, he should not say that Berdych got lucky that night....... where's Fed's sportmanship???????

[ and I'm glad it was Usain Bolt and not Federer ]

TheNatural
04-01-2010, 03:39 AM
Fed got lucky that Berdy choked that AO match. Not this time.

dropshot winner
04-01-2010, 04:17 AM
Fed got lucky that Berdy choked that AO match. Not this time.
Acutally Nadal was lucky that Berdych choked. Federer's one of the few players Nadal can regularly beat on hardcourt.

As for Federer, well he didn't win 2009 AO anyway, in the end it doesn't matter against whom he lost.

Ultra2HolyGrail
04-01-2010, 04:21 AM
Says the moron who thinks prime Crapriati was better than Graf.


I never said she was better i said at one point her game was more impressive. So what? Just because all of her losses against graf when she was a young teenager means graf would have owned her throughout her career if graf was a similar age? What were you 5 years old when graf played? :lol:

Obviously davey didn't respond to my post because he probably is horrible at playing tennis like you are more than likely. Strictly percentage speaking.

Also, i'm not the one who voted HENIN as the greatest of all time like you did. You were just 'kidding' right? :roll: Who cares anyway when you probably suck at real tennis?

ttbrowne
04-01-2010, 08:40 AM
Federer got lucky to get a match point... because of Berdych's shot, which just almost touched the line.. but was indeed out by a milimeter or so... THAT WAS LUCKY for Federer.

Then Federer choked and could not serve it out because of Berdych's composure.. he was sooo much cooler than Federer and smiled.. and he hit such an incredible return in such a tight and tense situation.... and a winning bomb forehand to level it out 6-6 instead of losing the tie-break 7-5. So, here, Berdych wasn't lucky at all.. he WORKED for it, not waiting for opponent's error.

THEN, Berdych earned his match point on Federer's serve by sending two bomb forehands, one to the right corner, and then one to the left corner of Fed. Berdych really worked for it. NOT lucky at all. Look at Federer, he did not go more on his first serve and couldn't get a first serve in!

Berdych served it out really well. He put his big first serve in, he hit a hard backhand straight to Federer's forehand side (his weaker side of the night--clever of Berdych) but close to fed's body so fed did not have much room to work on and fed sent a forehand long... wayy looong.

So, it's not lucky at all for Berdych. He played really well and clearly have a strategy to beat Fed and as for Federer, he should not say that Berdych got lucky that night....... where's Fed's sportmanship???????

[ and I'm glad it was Usain Bolt and not Federer ]

Yes, It was amazing that Berdych was going for his shots. It was almost as if he hadn't beat Fed in SIX YEARS.
Oh wait....he hadn't.
So what WAS Berdych going to do...play it safe???
C'mon...When did Berdych last play so well against Fed? AO? He caved in the last set 6-2.

Bittabonga
04-01-2010, 08:47 AM
Fed played like a unseeded player and he deserved to lose. I hope it continues. lose lose lose.

Pink_Shirt
04-01-2010, 09:00 AM
Has he ever been truly humble?

paulorenzo
04-01-2010, 10:44 AM
Good post.

I agree that Berdych isn't more talented than Gasquet, but I do think he's got the bigger game.

My point was mostly about how overrated Gasquet talent is. Yes he's good, but he has soo many flaws in his game that he shouldn't be in the same discussion like a Nalbandian or a Safin.

I find it always hilarious when someone puts Gasquet's and Nalbandian's backhand on the same level.
If you ever watched a backhand exchange between the two it's very obvious that Gasquet is almost all the time under extreme pressure. Nalbandian takes the balls early and Gasquet needs to retreat further and further back to hang on, and then Nalbandian hits a dropshot or a angled winner and the point is over.
true, two different backhands. one is efficient and seemingly effortless in every sense while the other is one is very flashy. i agree nalby's is more solid and consistent, and in the end of the day gets better results with it, but when it comes to intangibles and clutch(i know that i'm killing the word) shot-making, i still feel its a toss up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-T4KfgNjwU
just a video of gasquet v tsonga last year. gasquet was a lot better a year ago while tsonga wasn't nearly as good as he is now despite losing to nadal in straights yesterday. excellent shot making from both sides still.

edit- good point about gasquet always looking like he's playing under pressure. pretty evident in the video. nerve racking to watch, but he did still manage to pull of nice shots at times. perhaps that's why some people, me included, put him so highly on the talent scale, since he is pretty entertaining to watch even when he's playing defensively, when he's on that is. he's no federer though :)

NamRanger
04-01-2010, 10:51 AM
Yet Berdych's more accomplished than some of those guys you listed. He's won a MS title (Verdasco, Youzhny, Wawrinka, Monfils, Gasquet haven't); Been top 10 in the world (Wawrinka has not); beaten Fed and Nadal on multiple occasions (Verdasco for instance gags all over himself whenever he plays a top 10 player - everyone points to the Nadal match to show how much talent he has, that was more of a fluke than anything, and he's come nowhere near that level of tennis since then).

My point is, you call Berdych a clown is just plain disrespectful, as others have pointed out. I'm not going to sit here and say the guy could've been a multiple slam champ or even a 1 time slam champ, but he's proven he can play on all surfaces, has been top 20 for 5+ years now - you don't do that by being untalented.



1. His MS title had a weaker field than Dubai generally does every year. That MS title was a complete joke and you know it. He faced TWO claycourt specialists who SUCK on indoor carpet, a failing Ferrero who he struggled against, and then Stepanek and Ljubicic, both guys who he is capable of beating (especially considering Ljubicic is choke master back in those days).

2. Wawrinka's highest rank is 9, so you fail there.

3. That's funny, I'm pretty sure that last part is quite hilarious when you consider how you bash someone like Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Nalbandian, etc.

namelessone
04-01-2010, 11:19 AM
I just realized how funny the thread name is:

How does Fed know that Berdych "got lucky" tonight? Was he spying on him:) ?

abmk
04-01-2010, 11:41 AM
I just realized how funny the thread name is:

How does Fed know that Berdych "got lucky" tonight? Was he spying on him:) ?

ha ha ha, realised that just now :)

abraxas21
04-01-2010, 12:03 PM
I just realized how funny the thread name is:

How does Fed know that Berdych "got lucky" tonight? Was he spying on him:) ?

lol. Tomas' girlfriend is hot. I'm sure he got lucky that night.

davey25
04-01-2010, 02:26 PM
Acutally Nadal was lucky that Berdych choked. Federer's one of the few players Nadal can regularly beat on hardcourt.

As for Federer, well he didn't win 2009 AO anyway, in the end it doesn't matter against whom he lost.

I dont get your line of reasoning here at all. There are many players Nadal regularly beats on hard courts, in fact more often than Federer who he is 3-3 against on hard courts. Federer is one of the only players with an equal or better record vs Nadal on hard courts probably.

Berdych is certainly not one of those who can regularly beat Nadal on hard court. Those days are LONG in the past. He hasnt beaten Nadal on a hard court since 2006. Also it is not like Berdych would have been anywhere near making the final had he beaten Federer so he is even more irrelevant. Probably Roddick is in the final, and if that is the case Nadal wins much more easily than he did vs Federer.

wsberry
04-01-2010, 03:25 PM
ha ha ha, realised that just now :)

hahaha... he has been lucky

MajinX
04-01-2010, 03:45 PM
wow this thread title is soooo misleading...

jamesblakefan#1
07-01-2010, 02:51 PM
I think that Berdych has proven that he's a lot more 'talented' than some of the guys in this thread gave him credit for being, and he is not a clown w/ 2 consecutive slam SF and defeating Federer at Wimbledon.

davey25
07-01-2010, 02:59 PM
He is a good player but he isnt top echelon either. He is incapable of challenging a prime Federer or prime Nadal even slightly, which alot of alot of other guys can to some degree. From 2004-2008 he scored the one shock win over Federer at the Olympics and lost easily in every other match, his only set won being in a 6-2, 6-7, 6-0 defeat And from 2007-today he hasnt even won a single set off of Nadal with matches on every surface- hard courts, clay, and grass.

Good for him going on a hot streak and making 2 slam semis, yet it is telling when you are in the semis of a slam, Federer isnt around at either, and yet still nobody talks about you having a shot to win. By the time of the French Open semis there was nobody discussing him as a possible winner of the title, only Soderling and Nadal. And here again he is in the semis of Wimbledon and virtually nobody is talking about him having a chance to win, only the other 3 guys. That is telling in itself as well.

He is good but not quite good enough. A couple of wins over an obviously over the hill Federer who is now on a free fall to retirement doesnt change that.

jamesblakefan#1
07-01-2010, 03:05 PM
^^^see: **** logic. :D

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=336057